The Mid-June "Super-Update": Predictions

This thread should stickied, and framed, and required reading for everyone who plays GW, simply because of the overwhelming hubris diplayed herein.

Quit playing. Just quit. Don't like changes? Leave. Leave the game to those of us who appreciate the effort, even when there are times when it seems the effort is going a direction opposite to what we might wish.

Call us fanbois, ANet lovers, whatever gets you through the night. I just don't care. All I know is that there seems to be a lot of people who feel like ANet hates them individually, and makes changes for that reason alone. Trust me, folks, it isn't all about you.

Lollerskates.

I think we will get a new log-in screen for June. We had the Factions log-in screen quite some time before Factions actually came out.

Yeah, that's all that PvP needs, another energy burn sort of skill.

Changes arent either good or bad because of being changes.

Did anyone complained about more storage space?

Did anyone complained about the introduction of chests in the Deep or in Urgoz (and im wating for chests in Tombs)?

Did anyone complained when they nerfed Energizing Finale?

Did anyone complained about Insignias to all armors?


Not everyone will be happy with some changes. I will be very pleased when all chapter weapons receive the inscription system. Some will scream rage, as they will see their worthy items lose value.

The Soul reaping nerf didnt bother me alot, although its a something thats clearly a rushed fix, and not something perfect.

Making solo farm less and less profitable, while not making PvE a bit more rewarding makes me completly mad.


So, a change is only fine if its good and for some real purpose.

Anet cant give players everything they want, cause that will make the player lose interest (just grab a character/item editor for some singleplayer rpg, and see how much time you will be interested in the game). But on the other hand, if players cant expect a reasonable reward for their time, they will get frustrated and lose interest anyway.

Aditionally, sometimes Anet feel compelled to do changes, some realy quick, like the loot scaling fix to rare/unique items/materials. That means they also screw stuff withe their changes.

Sure people will always scream about changes, for some reason or the opposite one, but when they really get vocal, something happened.

/Signed for inscription..except maybe for this. How about that all items which exist and will drop have inscription capability, but for people who have older items, they can choose not to add the inscription and preserve their "old school" look of the item. This way, some players can change and "inscriptalize" their items, and others can preserve their old item descriptions.

But then it wouldn't be Hard Mode anymore, it'd be "All The Numbers Are Twice As Big As Soft Mode" Mode.

I don't know about you but I'd really prefer to write HM rather than ATNATABASM.

They just need a way to eliminate the grind... back when farming was easier, I felt very little grind necessity. Money was fairly easy to come by, and I could somewhat simply get the things that I needed most.

Now there's practically no way to make money. I'm down to almost nothing in terms of cash and I can't find a way to remedy the situation.

So what I want to see most in this summer update is either:

a) removal of loot nerf
b) new loot system on top of loot nerf that allows for better farming (comparable to what it once was)
c) a refund.

The problem is that its hard mode because its "ATNATABASM" already.

Its hard cause mosnters simply have more... More Hit Points, More Attack Speed, More Cast Speed, More Attributes, More Armor, More Damage.

They dont play any smarter or even different, they just have MORE.

That's the point. The monsters have more than us--which is one way of making the game harder, though perhaps not the best. If they give us overpowered Sunspear skills that would put us on the same level as them, it would be exactly the same as Soft Mode but with bigger numbers all around.

Mystic Regen will probably be nerfed if you ask me.

Paragons will be nerfed again because of paraway.

Necros will have a lot of things buffed and one or two skills slightly nerfed.

Water Magic and it's inability to damage will be forgotten again.

That's what skill recharge times are for. Unbalanced PVE skills would be balanced via skill recharge times, since all the enemies in Hard Mode have twice as big numbers 100% of the time and the player would still not.

Additionally, the PVE Sunspear skills probably won't work on Heroes, and most HM players are forced to use Heroes & Hench most of the time since hardly any players are around who want to play in HM. Therefore chances are there would only be one or two PVE Sunspear skills in a HM party at any one time. Which is all the more good reason to make them "godly".

Maybe..oh I don't know..

We should look at the first glaring fact that a majority of the Guild Wars comunnity doesn't even play Hardmode?

Maybe after they've fixed that we can worry about difficulty.

First and foremost, as long as soul reaping gets a satisfactory fix, everything else is secondary for me.

I'm betting on some sort of AoE direct damage that turns them into wannabe eles. You pretty much can't compete as a PvE caster without huge AoE damage, so that's about the only option. I'd think that AoE damage curses would be more mesmer-ish than direct damage, but there's not a lot of room between strictly-inferior-to-SS and omg-waaaay-overpowered to put a bunch of skills into, much less a bunch of non-elites.

Easy. Change #1 is to remove the stupid POS timer. Change #2 is to do something to actually address spirit spam builds in PvP. There, that's two changes.

I'm note sure if this is what change #2 will be, but I'd be overjoyed if it were. Destroys an overpowered build in PvP; restores PvE to a state that most players prefer; what's not to like? [Braces self for moronic post about how SR has always been horribly gamebreakingly overpowered in general PvE, despite the lack of complaints or balance changes for 2 years....] I've heard the claims that completely killing spirit spam would be a terrible thing, but, frankly, I could not care less if one FotM gimmick build gets nerfed out of existence for the sake of the entire class. I fear that there may be just too much ego and pride tied up in this mistake for a-net to back out of it, but, of the little hope I have left that a-net can actually get things right, is all of it riding on this one.

My bet's on "just plain useless." I really can't see them handing out a handful of uber-skills to go along with hard mode. I expect more lightbringer's-gaze-quality skills - not inherently awful, but devoid of synergy possibilities and certainly not good enough to justify displacing a skill from any well-designed, well-synergized skillbar.

I'm afraid I agree. A-net favors quick and easy "balances." (See the SR fiasco.) I don't doubt that they could do it, I just don't anticipate them being willing to dedicate the man hours (and the funding for those man hours) to fix the marksmanship line "the right way." A few superficial changes is all I'm expecting. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

Marksmanship line changes ruining farming builds? I doubt it. Unless a-net starts mucking with expertise or the marskmanship mechanic itself or pulls some braindead across-the-board nerf that just destroys the whole line, I can't imagine how they could manage to hurt farming builds by messing around with the marksmanship skillline.

Or did you mean the general changes in other areas? Probably will cause some whining, as well as some legitimate complaints. A-net has a bad habit of paying little to no attention to the impact of their "balance" changes on PvE before releasing them. As for established farming builds getting nerfed, I'm not terribly bothered by that. Insofar as it's a "legitimate" activity at all, it's supposed to be a challenge of creativity - forcing people to find new farming builds doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when general-play PvE gets a nerf that can't be worked around, or forces you into one narrow way of dealing with the nerf.

Indeed, they do. Though, to be honest, I'd trade them all for better, less-nerf-happy, more-time-spent balancing instead.

True.

Any sane mind will concur.

Yes, people posted that it came to late and didn't include pet/armour/whatever-storage. People with only one or two campaigns complained that people with all three got more...

Yes, people complained that their drops still sucked and when they didn't it wasn't a new skin.

I'm sure someone out there felt anet had killed his paragon for pve

They sure did: about collector armour not getting them, about anet messing with "their" stuff. About armour being "utterly destroyed for me" paraphrasing ofcourse.

I Read it all here...


With the reward being something other than the fun you have/had playing? I get that, the rest id gravy...

And that is an obvious Unwanted Thing (tm). I'd hate for Anet to make a change based on the number of whines out there...fear of change is an ill advisor. And there's gonna be whines, about anything and everything. Just look at the OP, any thread started by this person is a whine or a rant.
*sigh* what am I still doing here?

[QUOTE]did you read the official post that SR will not be restored to its former precap power?

so that is not going to be it

No offense Zinger, but you seem to have an overall negativity whenever anet is involved.

Last I checked in the battle theater, Paraway still got slaughtered in the hands of Nercos. If anything those two should be reversed...

Nercos will be nerfed again because of their semi-infinite energy. (changing from total-infinite energy to semi-infinite energy is hardly sufficient)
Paragons will have a lot of things buffed and one or two skills slightly nerfed.

Though I completely agree with you for the other two... there are practically no difference between the effectiveness of Water at 0 versus Water at 12.

Me too. It will mean Factions and Prophecies will stop giving me staves that don't have any use.
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As for PvE mesmers, it has come down to the point that a lot of people use them as mules. The people that actually have played them through should really get rewarded by a mesmer PvE buff.
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The hero/hench monks have to walk out of maelstrom. It is retarded.
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Water isn't meant to damage. Regardless there are skills in there that do damage, albeit not much. Otherwise, it would be the bane of Fire entirely. Earth already puts Fire AOE to shame, other than Searing Flames+Fireball.
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Re: Marksmanship
How would buffing bow skills lead to farming? The only skill I can think of even useful for farming is barrage.

Zinger, right on. Some people say your are too pessimistic or whiny.. well, sorry if the truth sounds pessimistic fellas.

well if mesmers need a fix for that reason please do it for the assa 2 i don't hear many teams screaming: team lf assa for doa run!

I wonder if they'll finally put Mystic Regen into Mysticism... where it should've been in the first damn place.

Eeerrrr, I thought there were chests in tombs? phantom chests?

I think he means a chest at the end that drops the greens instead of the bosses at the end.

Ooooh man, that would be the perfect nerf, wouldn't it? So delicious...

yum

I guess it would be a good way to stop those annoying invinci earth eles

130 hp dervish's use mysticism right?I havent paid attention to my attributes that much. Just recently made it.

Its there own damn fault if they get any complaints about it. There is absolutely no reason for why it should've been kept in Earth Prayers when the name of the damn skill says 'Mystic'. Mystic Vigour is in there for christ sake. Now solo farmers have become dependent on it for massive regen without any effort.

of course it will get put into mysticism, making it useless to any secondary. I'm just glad I was using it while I could.

(oh, Btw...perhaps if the admin of this site let only the paying members attach files, it wouldn't be so damn slow...just a thought)


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got a prob with enchanted eles? lol
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Rend_Enchantments

They still got Stoneflesh Aura, though.

.....which they might also nerf, so huzzah!

Why would they nerf Stoneflesh Aura... any nerf to Stoneflesh would just make it into a useless skill.

That actually might work if it's deemed to be too much of a problem as it is.

Well its a near instant nerf to how easy it is to use the 0 damage farming builds... they don't even require skill anymore, just the correct cycling of enchantments.

I love Mystic Eles and 105 dervishes in Randumb Arena. Pack on some degen and use Rend Enchantments or Gaze of Contempt and watch them fall to their mystic deaths.

/evillaugh

I'm starting to think that Rend and Gaze are imbalanced because its mass enchantment removals at such a tiny cost. <3

Zinger, your posts are so friggen annoying... do you know that? If you hate this game so much, go outside for Christ's sake... I mean, I have my complaints about Anet too, but I don't drag them into every single post I make.

Enough with the complaining already... and it's funny you patronize the "Pve community" for being whiners about skill updates, when all you do is whine BEFORE updates are even released!

Seriously... just stop posting. This forum would be better off. Get outside for a day.

Bah, I want a hairstylist, give me that in an update, and I'll choose that over any of this anyday.

And yet you whine...about the whining!

Well Zinger does tell the truth most of the time and is usually correct, most of the time. I find it comical that most of what comes out of Zinger's mouth is depressing.

Beautiful morning, clear skies, login to see Zinger's ranting lol.

Well guys, all I have to say is, it depends how MANY skills are introduced with the Sunspear update. If its 5, I'm going to laugh my head off. But if its 20 well thought out elites and non elite skills, this update may prove to be useful, depending how good the skills really are.

As for mesmers, I don't play them or use them, so it doesn't concern me! Perhaps the update will allow something like a "Mes spike" for Heros Ascent? That would be interesting, if it hasn't happened already.

Lets try being positive about the upcoming update, we have no idea what it will be like until its out.

Has to be at least 10 skills, what with there being ten classes and all.

The Gaile log I linked to in the first post says there will initially 1 per profession (i.e. 10 skills, unless you account for the fact that all Paragons deleted themselves, then 9. ), with "more to come." If it took 2 months to balance those skills, I doubt we'll see anymore before GWEN.

My guess is that'll you'll need atleast Sunspear Rank 6 to obtain the first skill, as that's a breaking point in the title track (for "And a Hero Shall Lead Them").

I'm Rank 10, so that'll work out well.

A bit of a stretch to say the community doesn't play Hard Mode, when there are a remote few who have a Guardian title, suggestions on Vanquishing, or even have shown they have Legendary Guardian. Getting Legendary Guardian was a challenge. The biggest challenge was getting a good group. Guildies worked perfectly. PuGs sucked and the Hero AI was the only alternative that was better than PuGs.