Is it worth it to be nice?

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Heck with it... giving this it's own thread.

Two days ago a level 9 warrior is in Ascalon asking for a gold sword to buy. I have a spare... a req 9 Cruel Fanged sword of Enchanting, 15^50, 20% in storage... so rather than haggle a price I just gave it to him. Seemed real appreciative, I felt good about it.

Last night... I get an accidental PM from the guy.

Selling Req 9 Cruel Fanged Sword of Enchanting, 15^50, very nice Nightfall skin! 70K.

So... I respond to the guy... you're selling the sword I gave you? "No, I'd never do that! I'm going to keep it forever!"

o.O

Sometimes our species really disappoints me.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

I've had some pretty bad experiences with being nice. I gave a kid 1k then he started asking for lots and lots of money.

This all depends on a player's own personal game experience. I can say for mine that it's been pretty bad, and that's why I'm not as nice as I used to be.

Kas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Being nice in an online game is absolutely not worth it. The communities behave like the very bottom of mankind with not the slightest bit of respect towards another. Basically downright Wasteland Anarchy, survival of the biggest RED ENGINE BLA BLA BLA.
Whenever you do something nice, someone else is going to RED ENGINE CHILDISH SWEAR FILTER you up some more. That is the law of balance, atleast in online games.

Over the years of playing I've learned that the best stance you can have towards things in games is utter paranoia. Even amongst "best" friends.

TreeDude

TreeDude

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Buffalo, NY, USA

Dragon Storm

E/Mo

Too many scammers out there now. When the game was first released people were much more friendly. I remeber joining my first guild and them giving me gold so I could get started.

Maybe GW2 will bring back the good old days.

Water Angel

Water Angel

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

Paris

Me/E

people are more greedy and greedy.

u help on a mission, they spam you till ignore for help on all others or for items.
when u help u rarely get help back when need it.

sighs...decidly not worth to be nice.rather be a total jerk,at last u get profit...

Healers Wisper

Healers Wisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

N/

See I disagree with this line of thinking so far. The way I see it I am not "nice" to people to get them to like me or whatever, I am nice to people because I like to be. I play this game to interact with the people who play the game. Most of which appear to be very nice. I have given things away that people have sold and so what, If I needed the money or whatnot I wouldn't have given it away.

Scammers are in the game and in real life, so what. If you can make a buck off my junk best of wishes to you. I'm not gonna stop being Nice and giving away stuff cause of a few people.

billypowergamer

billypowergamer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

It depends on the situation i think. If the person is looking for something like collector's items, I'll usually hand over whatever I have (like margonite masks) because I'll just merch them anyway.
I actually had someone looking for djinn essences a while ago and I asked them what weapon they were wanting to get. They said they needed a new wand for their ritualist. I thought about it for a sec, and then I offered them my book of secrets(I already had any endgame weapons I wanted, so I wasn't going to use it). The person was really happy and it felt good. So, i guess it's sometimes worth it to be nice....

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

What disappoints me is when I gave the guy the sword he appeared to really appreciate it and was swearing that that would be his weapon of choice, keep it forever, blah blah blah. Next day it's for sale. It can leave one rather jaded.

The reality is I'll likely not change my ways. I am what I am. Perhaps though I'll be more selective... maybe not help someone out that could actually use it? I hope I'm better than that...

Makes you wonder how many people didn't get help when they really needed it due to someone else's abuse.

Marth Reynolds

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

I had some stuff i know i wouldn't use so i gave it away, started at first with giving not max lvl warriors in tyria a random max rare weapon the first respones i got really made my day, nothing beats giving away something useless and the other guy(or girl) apreciating it IMO.

For the same reason i made a give away thread, that ended kind of abrupt as a nice moderator pointed out to me that somone from the same computer was asking for items under 2 different acounts... i had no real problem with it at first until that same person asked me for another item -_-

And sometimes you have those people who want you to help em in missions etc and they know of you because you gave em something before, i barely do this tbh, but i won't do such thing henchmen will help a guy out just fine and i don't mind giving skills suggestions.

Overall i had more people that apreciated it then people who "scammed me", so it should be worth it.

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

Let me get this straight. You were kind and generous, while the other guy was a 2-faced a-hole and you think that YOU are the person that should change??? Becoming selfish doesn't stop others from doing the same, it just feeds the vicious cycle.

FalconDance

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

Depends on how you define worth.

If it makes you feel as if you've been helpful or nice or just that you've maybe repaid past persons being nice to you, then it's definitely worth it!

If you're 'being nice' because you expect something in return (whatever that may be), then you're not being nice - you're selling the 'nice' for a price and are no better than the people you complain about being ungrateful.

Of course, this is my take on it and may not reflect the opinions of the establishment.

One of my eles was given a Skybringer this week by a very nice person here at guru. Would I ever sell it? No but I would give it away to someone else if 1) I decide not to use it anymore later or 2) someone else needed it more then my ele did.

I know a gal who, for nearly two years, has given away more gold, green items, dyes, and everything else than you can possibly imagine. She only keeps what gold and weapons her girls need at the time and freely gives the rest at random. Heck, I've been chatting with her and made the mistake of dreaming out loud of a certian weap and the next thing you know, I'm getting a whisper to come pick it up! She doesn't advertise to sell goodies; she merchants them if no one wants them. Her reasoning? She was lucky enough to get the goodies and others may not have the opportunity or luck. She's great fun to quest with, too!

Did I mention that this individual is usually ridiculed and kicked out of PuGs because she is deaf and is slow to respond to chat/orders (can't use Vent or TS) because she must read everything carefully so as not to miss anything or takes longer to 'answer' the phone, etc.? It's horrid how some treat others.

~Falcon

onerabbit

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

its happend 2 me 100s of times in my guild!

i give things away, 10 mins later there advertising to sell it in alliance chat.

really pisses me off.

themeteor

themeteor

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/

It is a shame that people that try to be nice get left worse off, it is why I really like the scribes "Random Acts of Kindness" mention.

Keep up the kind work and I'm sure you will make the world, one new person at a time, at better place

brigsaz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Arizona

Mo/

I have no problems with helping people out on crafting materials or collector item requirements. I have given away tons of non-max items because I am just going to sell them back to the merchant anyway. The only time I give away max items is if its white. Otherwise, I either sell it myself or give it to some of my family members that play the game with me to sell.

I agree that you really cant trust anyone online these days. =(

Wilian Norward

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Why do you guys even complain? If you don't like people selling off your generosity then stop giving it away.

Aera Lure

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

I think its definitely worth it, but that's just me. Being nice doesnt necessarily involve simply giving away gold or items that you dont need or wont sell, but I have been known to do that from time to time too. Can also simply be helping someone out with a mission or a quest or something of that sort, even if you dont need it. I do this more often.

Being a monk I frequently get invites to parties wherever I go, and sometimes run across some pretty desperate parties. Its better at least on this count with heroes, but I'll still join a PUG to simply help out if I am not doing something pressing and they really wish for a human monk. I'd only have been working away at some title or another anyway. I have certain missions I enjoy that I just go and randomly join parties for too, when I feel like it. You sometimes get thanks from one of the other seven, but most often not. You certainly dont do it for thanks because that is very rare. If you enjoy it though, sure, its worth it, and sometimes I meet a couple players who become good friends. What you have to do though is choose when its your time and when you just wish to tag along on something for the sheer sake of it.

That said, Anet should really look at incentives for replaying missions once completed. There are none. Its why parties stand in places like Eternal Grove etc spamming LF monk etc and settling on heroes. I'd actually go play missions more often if there was an actual reason to go and do so, outside of my simply choosing to do so because I'd like to.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

I only do good stuff for friends and guild members I have played with for a while. People are so annoying and dont appreciate anything now-a-days so I just say the hell with it. My alliance members are like puppies, you help them once they dont stop pming you for help its insane and annoying!

vergerefosh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Englishmen Don't Drink [Tea]

W/R

Sometimes it can be found that you try and offer help with missions and stuff because you've got nothing else to do, bit bored etc, and people will just turn their noses up.

I've got a char I use as a materials mule, made him to replace my previous one which I started playing with. Made him in Prophecies to make him look identical to 1st and got a friend to help me to LA and then Kamadan so can help ferry people. I offer to ferry, then nearly always, as soon as they find out he's only lvl 7, they leave, as if they think I'm gonna scam. If I'm standing around offering help for free or tips, not gonna rip everyone off am I? not like it's good money, just a friendly thing to do. But they're are still some good souls in the game

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Sometimes our species really disappoints me.
MSecorsky, your negativity is not appreciated on these forums. Why are you so constantly negative? Your constant heralds of doomsday and the disappointment of our species of ridiculous. You are one of us? right? So you admit to being disappointed in yourself! Hah! This thread fails on a massive level!























[/sarcasm]

Lauryn

Lauryn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

R/

I love nice people and I always try help people when I can, although I'm not keen on giving things away as it quickly spreads within your guild/alliance and I always get PM requests, still if someone wants something and I have no use for it, why not?

Oooh and Dralspire was very nice to me On his givaway thread I asked for 5 sparklers, he gave me 104 lol I still haven't worked my way through them about 70-80 left lol

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
MSecorsky, your negativity is not appreciated on these forums. Why are you so constantly negative? Your constant heralds of doomsday and the disappointment of our species of ridiculous. You are one of us? right? So you admit to being disappointed in yourself! Hah! This thread fails on a massive level!
[/sarcasm]
Heh heh... thanks Zinger, I appreciate the chuckle.

Xeno Breaker

Xeno Breaker

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/E

y r u all complaining. You GAVE it away. Once you gave it away u lost all rights to the item. It is theirs to do with what they please. IF they use it for few days and decide to sell it its their business.

my 2 cents

Alas Poor Yorick

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

I enjoy giving things away when I can - even if I know they will probably sell them later. Farming in Urgoz has gotten me quite a few decent zodiacs I didn't want to waste time selling and giving them to new players is fun. I also like giving away minipets to new players when I find them for 2k or less.

But I had to laugh this last Halloween. I was giving away transmorgrifier tonics in Shing Jea - thought Cantha should have a chance at the fun - and gave one guy two of them. A minute later he was advertising "wts trans. tonics 1k ea." I don't mind that he was selling them - but it seemed kind of stupid not to change districts or wait a little while at least. How did he expect to get any customers when I was right next to him offering them for free?

sprintcar88h

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

north phillys finest

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconDance

Did I mention that this individual is usually ridiculed and kicked out of PuGs because she is deaf and is slow to respond to chat/orders (can't use Vent or TS) because she must read everything carefully so as not to miss anything or takes longer to 'answer' the phone, etc.? It's horrid how some treat others.

~Falcon
I get the same treatment sometimes to being disabled (wheelchair and can only use 1 arm) so I'm slow at times and not the best at gameing. but As stated in this thread if I have something I dont need and someone else does I either give it away or sell it very low in price. most of the time the other party is gratefull in some cases you get screwed I just add them to my ignore list and chalk it up as a loss. some people can be pricks i just choose not to deal with them.

Burn Butt

Burn Butt

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Mafia of Annihilation [FeAr]

E/Me

I figure it has a LOT to do with age. Very young players do not seem to value to the work that goes into obtaining gold, items etc. and instead are just miopiically focused on themselves and their characters. We had a guy in our guild that was constantly asking for stuff, so I gave him an endgame green sword of the forgotten. I kid you not he was asking if anyone else had a cool sword they could give him 1 minute later in the alliance chat. I think that if you give something away, you have to assume the worst and just be ok with it. Unless you really know the person you're dealing with, you should keep your expectations in total check.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

I thought nice guys finish last?

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno Breaker
y r u all complaining. You GAVE it away. Once you gave it away u lost all rights to the item. It is theirs to do with what they please. IF they use it for few days and decide to sell it its their business.

my 2 cents
Rather than let this turn into a potential flame-fest, I'll flat out admit that you are absolutely right, Xeno. It's his sword now to do with as he pleases. This has never been brought into question. It's simply the disappointment at having a good deed twisted so quickly and blatantly into something ugly. It's just a shame, that's all.

Tyria's Slave

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2007

I need one

E/

IMO, it has definitely not been worth it to be nice. When I used to be in a guild, I was an officer. Well, one day, a new member came into guild chat and asked for some black dye. I had a lot of money but no black dye. I decided to be a nice officer and just give him 5 black dyes (how much he said he needed). I check back 5 minutes later and he left the guild.

Caoimhe

Caoimhe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Here's the heart of the matter: Why do you do what you do? If you're the type to give stuff away, why? Why not? It's a personal choice to be generous, and another not to be. Some people will always take advantage of others' generosity, and others won't.

I consider myself a decent player, nothing more. I've never solo farmed anything but ettins, I'm lousy at builds and timing, and I don't have tons of time to play. As a consequence, I don't have much of value. Nevertheless, I've given away crafting junk, weapons, drake flesh by the ton, etc., largely due to the fact that I know there are others out there, just like me, who just can't compete with the "career GW" players on a gold-for-gold, weapon-for-weapon, skill-for-skill basis. So I do what I can to help others have fun. If they turn around and sell the stuff, great! If that's what gets them through the night, fine.

All I know for sure is, you reap what you sow. I'd much rather reap generosity and abundance than greed and rapaciousness.

Dawgboy

Dawgboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ohio

Antisocial Misfit

I used to give gold items away, but stopped when a few people started pm'ing me all the time asking for more.

And one time I was in a pug and had a decent monk offhand item drop for me. The other monk asked if he could have it, and as I was already using a slightly better one, I gave it to him. He said "Thanks, gotta go", and left while we were halfway through the mission. You're welcome, ***hole.

axe

axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

W/

Way back in the day when I used to do Droks Runs I used to give away free runs all the time. I would be offered tips occasionally and always turn them down. Several of those players are still on my friends list today and we keep in touch.

There was one time I was overly generous (and I think this is the problem) I ran this low level warrior for free, he wanted to get Droks armor. And so I ran him to Droks, when he saw the prices for the armor he almost fainted since he had nowhere near that amount of money (he was obviously a younger player) and he was totally bummed. He wanted wyrven armor (I think thats what it was) and I could almost see his dissapointment. So I said, hey you got some more time to play? and he said yeah, so I ran him to Granite Citadel and gave him the Mats and cash to buy a full set of 15K Dragons. I told him to buy one piece at a time and to be very slow and careful so as not to mess up and buy 2 of the same piece. He did that and was standing there in a full set of 15K armor, he just stood there for so long, then finally said thank you and was obviously overjoyed. It was one of the best feelings for me to do that as I dont myself own any 15K armors.

He would continuously PM me saying hello and things which I dont mind, but then he started to ask for money, items, etc.. and I think its all because I was TOO generous. I think when ppl ask for something and you are feeling nice that day, just give them the bare minimum so they will thank you but not assume you are rich and pester you.

I still give away things to this day, just not on the level that will get me harrassed by people.

Also he ended up salvaging the Dragon Armor to make room in his inventory...... what he needed the space for that was nicer than 75K armor I dont know.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

I give things away because it makes ME feel good. For me, the joy is truly in the giving. I do it expecting nothing from the other person. That way my part has ended with the giving.

If the other person sells or salvages whatever I gave him, I feel that is his right. I didn't set any conditions on the gift and am fully aware that even the small (to me) amount of gold received from merching an item can be of benefit to a poorer player.

If you are going to worry about how your gift is treated, you shouldn't give away items that are worth a lot of gold on the market. Without that temptation, you won't see what happens to it and will avoid having your feelings hurt.

When my monk was younger, she was in Ascalon trying to sell various low-end weapons etc. I remember only that I was asking 200g for something. A player initiated a trade and put up 13k in the trade window. I mentioned that the price was 200g, he told me he had lots of money and just wanted to give me a gift. This was the start of my conscious generosity to other players.

I give away materials, weapons, collector drops and gold. I do have to admit that seeing one player verbally running down another player's armor or weapon can trigger a large gold donation at times. (It depends on how long it has been since the last discussion with my guildmate on the difference between generosity and stupidity.)

But I am enjoying the game beyond the accomplishment of missions and titles.

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

is it worth it to be nice? depends on why your being nice i guess. its helped me out several times. i may give more then i get but i got a group of friends that give me stuff if i need something and yes they are usually higher priced items but i'm one to give anybody something if they need it. seeing i got 2 account with 10 slots each im constantly making new characters then running then to high level armor only to go back and do low level mission at level 20 and i always find a person or two to go with me. i do make more friends this way especially if it someone who no one else will let in their party either too low level or unwanted class. usually as i run this low level through a mission we get talking i find out if they have nice weapons and usually i give them better ones for them to use. if they sell it the next day hey maybe they got an even better one and they could use the extra cash so that wouldn't bother me either by the way it wasn't mine anymore

TwinRaven

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Always help....damn the consequences or outcomes. You only have "bad" experiences if you expect something in return (even a "thank-you"). Once the act of giving is complete, your role in the act is over...how others choose to respond is entirely their responsibility. If you want to feel good about helping people, those are the rules...the only rules that keep you feeling good about giving. Anything else, and your expectations are just too high.

Vengeful Spirit

Vengeful Spirit

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Rt/

well in my guild we believe in helping people now i have never been a big truster of the online community in any game so if somone needs somthing i usually offer to give advice or help them get it because i believe if i do that they can do that for money some more and be better off than my one time donation would be and often times i gain a good friend and most of the time they surpass me in gold because im laid back and dont like to farm and such unless i have somthing i am really saving up for, also when i do give away somthing i dont expect to get it back because if i give it away it usually means i dont need it.

mazey vorstagg

mazey vorstagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Nodnol

Meeting of Lost Minds

E/Mo

In your guild it's worth being nice. When you're all adventuring together a little kindness and respect goes a long way. As a consequence in my guild there is no selling, if you want an item and someone else has one then they can only give it to you, not sell.

Outside of guilds it's worth being nice to an extent, if they ar really new then help them out. Sometimes beggers don't need it at all.

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
[/sarcasm]
I was waiting for that, and you didn't disapoint me. =)


I figgure being nice in GW is like winning the lottery. Most of the time you get nothing in return for your efforts, but when it pays off you feel good. :P

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Is it worth it to be nice? To me it's not a matter of "worth". I'm nice (or nasty) because I want to be. I enjoy helping others. Most appreciate it, and the few that don't .... well .... that's the way it is. I'm wealthy (in game) and enjoy helping newer players. I remember how difficult it was with my first character, trying to buy decent armor and get weapons. Help, if you will or not, but don't expect anything in return. A "thanks" now and then is enough to brighten my day.

Shuuda

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

1: Being nice isn't about getting things in return, it's about doing the right thing, DISPITE WHAT OTHERS DO.

2: Some of you seem a bit too nice it would seem, selling something for an honest, fair price is a nice thing to do, giving someone adivce is a nice thing to do. Giving things away to total strangers is naive.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Sometimes our species really disappoints me.
If you wanna be nice, just do it! but remember: sh*t happens, and also, the only planet you can live for now is here, the Earth, and that things happen in Earth all the time