Shiro Weapons..RQ 13?? 13??
Andrew Almond
Now I know a lot of people feel the same way i do. The RQ for using these weapons is too high. An understandable RQ would be 12. Any other proffessions green weapons only have a RQ of maybe 9. I would like to keep sin as my secondary proffession, and use dagger mastery skills,, but do we really have to stick with using all the other lame looking dagger skins when we worked on finishing factions just to get these weapons? I made a complaint to GW support about this and they directed me to make a post here about this to see if people feel the same way. I feel they should change the RQ to 12 or otherwise raise RQ of other proffessions green weapons to 13 so that they cant be used by others.... feel free to respond to this and send a message to GW support if you feel the same as i do.
Astro Pubes
you missed the days when they were req 15... be glad they are now req 13.
GloryFox
Thats got to be a bug I remember them as Req 9.
Of course its been a while since I used them and I just checked and yes they were req 13... WTF.. HUH?...
BUG of some kind...
Of course its been a while since I used them and I just checked and yes they were req 13... WTF.. HUH?...
BUG of some kind...
VitisVinifera
no they were r15
still, how hard would it be to align these? oh wait, mini pets need some adjustments
still, how hard would it be to align these? oh wait, mini pets need some adjustments
Lothlorian Sassun
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Originally Posted by Andrew Almond
Now I know a lot of people feel the same way i do. The RQ for using these weapons is too high. An understandable RQ would be 12. Any other proffessions green weapons only have a RQ of maybe 9. I would like to keep sin as my secondary proffession, and use dagger mastery skills,, but do we really have to stick with using all the other lame looking dagger skins when we worked on finishing factions just to get these weapons? I made a complaint to GW support about this and they directed me to make a post here about this to see if people feel the same way. I feel they should change the RQ to 12 or otherwise raise RQ of other proffessions green weapons to 13 so that they cant be used by others.... feel free to respond to this and send a message to GW support if you feel the same as i do.
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Yeah I have No clue as to why Shiro's Sword has a Q13. It makes it the lamest Green Sword in the game. All other greens in the game Q9. Shiro Weapons should be Q9 just like all the other green's in the game. A Q9 weapon is more flexible when it comes to build design. Why is Shiro so special that he has to have a Q13?
bam23
It's still a stupid req for a green that shares stats with greens that are req 9.
Andrew Almond
15? 13? what the difference in that? the max you can put into an attribute that isnt your main proff is 12. and if u cant meet the RQ of a green yer basically using a starter weapon. In the case of Shiro weapons you will be using a starter weapon that kills u.
Darcy
They used to be Req 15, but that was lowered to 13 in the Dec. 20, 2006 update.
Winterclaw
I think they have them at 13 so only a warrior main can use them to full effect.
Wilian Norward
Lowering the requirements even more? Shiro would be spinning in his grave.
WildmouseX
shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies.
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ichigo_panty
Get a r9 Shiro Weapon via farming.
This shows how superior Shiro is. Using r13 weapon. -_-
I think this is to prevent secondary sin/war from using shiro's green.
This shows how superior Shiro is. Using r13 weapon. -_-
I think this is to prevent secondary sin/war from using shiro's green.
linh
I don't see problem here. If you are damage warrior, your sword attribute should be max anyway ( even 14 if minor rune). If you are tank with no attack skill, then you don't need to bother with damage . I can't find any good sword build for people using warrior as secondary and high sword points either.
Same with dagger : any one uses dagger with assassin as secondary profession is just bad.
Same with dagger : any one uses dagger with assassin as secondary profession is just bad.
Andrew Almond
I think dropping the Q of the weapon would have no effect on Shiro himself anyway. If it made him stronger.. so what.. if it made him weaker... so what. He is easy enough to defeat as it is... sure.. with 8 people attckn him. And if it did make him harder. Good.
Curse You
I believe the reasoning has alway been that Shiro is supposed to be an "uber 1337 h4x0r" and so has high requirement weapons.
I really don't care since I only use them on my Assassin, since I alway end up having 13+ dagger mastery. If I want my warrior to use Vamp daggers, I can give her my Chkkr's Pincers.
I really don't care since I only use them on my Assassin, since I alway end up having 13+ dagger mastery. If I want my warrior to use Vamp daggers, I can give her my Chkkr's Pincers.
WildmouseX
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Originally Posted by linh
Same with dagger : any one uses dagger with assassin as secondary profession is just bad. |
the ele has the same health, and same armor as the sin primary - but because of energy storage, they can stay there and throw attacks till the cows come home - and still have enough energy left over to finish off the kill with a nice fireball or ligtning strike. - my first and only sin has been an el primary, and she's outperformed sin primary all over the place, in all three chapters. -- and in PvP the suprise factor of an el runing up and sticking a dagger in your gut is priceless - that alone has won GvG battles for us.
my build has changed a bit from this, but i did a write up for it a while agao.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3060064
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Personette
I finished Factions the other day, got my amulet, was thinking about getting a sword or a wand for my ele...noticed that Shiro's sword has a req of 13, decided that was a bad idea, and on my way to pressing "goodbye" manged to hit "exchange" instead.
I was so bummed.
I was so bummed.
Harrier's haste
sell the sword, their worth like 15k now i think(good lucky trying though). Or give the sword to your hero and add a minor sword rune and have him 12 swordsmanship.
Andrew Almond
i want my derv/assassin to be able to use shiros blades. sure i could get different daggers that have the same effect and lower Q... but its the skin i like.. cant use shiros blades.. so no point in ever using daggers. all the other dagger skins are really lame looking. so guess i will have to stick to my kick ass lookin scythe that every character in the game can use.
Chicken Ftw
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negitive - Ele's make better sin's, then an assassin primary ever could...the problem with the sin is you run em out of energy going through the spikes, and end up either dyeing because you stood there auto-swinging - or you teleport away to recharge and they gain all their health back.
the ele has the same health, and same armor as the sin primary - but because of energy storage, they can stay there and throw attacks till the cows come home - and still have enough energy left over to finish off the kill with a nice fireball or ligtning strike. - my first and only sin has been an el primary, and she's outperformed sin primary all over the place, in all three chapters. -- and in PvP the suprise factor of an el runing up and sticking a dagger in your gut is priceless - that alone has won GvG battles for us. |
The ele has 60 AL. Sins have 70. You're sacrificing 10 armor for a buffed energy pool, with no means of managing said energy, like the sin's Critical Strikes. I don't see any benefit at all.
Finally, I don't know who you played in GvG that lost to an E/A "sin in disguise" who's running 9 dagger mastery, but they must've been pretty awful.
Back on topic, I don't really care whether the daggers are req 13 or 9, since there are plenty of other daggers you could obtain with lower reqs. Sure, lower the req to match. Not like it breaks the game.
Sir Seifus Halbred
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies.
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Sentasi's Jade Hammer
Blunt damage: 19-35 (req. 9 Hammer Mastery)
Damage +15%
Energy -5
Double adrenaline on hit (Chance: 10%)
Health +30
Saevio's Maul
Blunt damage 19-35 (requires 9 Hammer Mastery)
Damage +15%
Energy -5
Double adrenaline on hit (Chance 10%)
Health +30
There are lots of greens with the exact same stats but with different skins/names/campaigns. So i fail to see your point....
Andrew Almond
fixing the req on Shiro weapons from 13 to 12 would be a minor fix that would allow secondaries to be able to use the "skin". thats all i want. i dont like the looks of the other daggers. why should a assassin/derv be able to use a Claw of the Forgotten and a derv/assassin not be able to use Shiros blades?
Echuu Ishtar
What pissed me off the most about Shiro's weapons is that they had to make them vampiric. Why oh why couldn't they have made them sundering so I could constantly carry around the coolest looking daggers in the game without them killing me.
Dralspire
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bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies.
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Really though having them at any req above 9 doesn't make any sense, when there are no other greens in the game with reqs that high.
Lotrfish
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Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
umm...what about this?
Sentasi's Jade Hammer Blunt damage: 19-35 (req. 9 Hammer Mastery) Damage +15% Energy -5 Double adrenaline on hit (Chance: 10%) Health +30 Saevio's Maul Blunt damage 19-35 (requires 9 Hammer Mastery) Damage +15% Energy -5 Double adrenaline on hit (Chance 10%) Health +30 There are lots of greens with the exact same stats but with different skins/names/campaigns. So i fail to see your point.... |
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Originally Posted by Echuu Ishtar
What pissed me off the most about Shiro's weapons is that they had to make them vampiric. Why oh why couldn't they have made them sundering so I could constantly carry around the coolest looking daggers in the game without them killing me.
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Brianna
It's not Q people.. R or Req. or Requires.. please >.>.
I thought it was funny when they were Requires.15 because I guess Anet wanted them to have a ''superior'' feel to them since they were Big Bad Shiro's lol. Idunno why they didn't just lower it to 9 while fixing it but everything has its reason i guess, I think it's an unlikely event that any class uses Sin secondary for Dagger mastery skills, and even then use Shiro's blades, so the deal isn't that big.
I thought it was funny when they were Requires.15 because I guess Anet wanted them to have a ''superior'' feel to them since they were Big Bad Shiro's lol. Idunno why they didn't just lower it to 9 while fixing it but everything has its reason i guess, I think it's an unlikely event that any class uses Sin secondary for Dagger mastery skills, and even then use Shiro's blades, so the deal isn't that big.
WildmouseX
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Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
umm...what about this?
Sentasi's Jade Hammer Hammer Blunt damage: 19-35 (req. 9 Hammer Mastery) Damage +15% Energy -5 Double adrenaline on hit (Chance: 10%) Health +30 Saevio's Maul Blunt damage 19-35 (requires 9 Hammer Mastery) Damage +15% Energy -5 Double adrenaline on hit (Chance 10%) Health +30 There are lots of greens with the exact same stats but different skins/names/campaigns. So i fail to see your point.... |
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Originally Posted by Chicken FTW
Good sins don't run low on energy after every spike thanks to Critical Strikes and some skills that return energy.
for example. Good sins don't die thanks to teleporting away, but the enemy shouldn't be regaining any health when you teleport, they should be dead. (Higher dagger mastery + Crit Strikes + ability to use runes ftw?) The ele has 60 AL. Sins have 70. You're sacrificing 10 armor for a buffed energy pool, with no means of managing said energy, like the sin's Critical Strikes. I don't see any benefit at all. Finally, I don't know who you played in GvG that lost to an E/A "sin in disguise" who's running 9 dagger mastery, but they must've been pretty awful. Back on topic, I don't really care whether the daggers are req 13 or 9, since there are plenty of other daggers you could obtain with lower reqs. Sure, lower the req to match. Not like it breaks the game. |
black lotus, and the other energy return attacks still work as a El primary - i just don't have any in that build. did they up the sin's armor? i remember them being equeal when i first made the character a year agao. either way, a good sin makes alot of effort to avoid being hit at all, hence a measly 10 armor isn't much of a sacrifice. - and as i stated before a teleport out and fireball finisher works just as good for makeing them dead.
finally it's not just GvG that she's excelled at.. i've had alot of success with her in AB, and HoH as well...generaly when a sin goes runing past the war he'll turn arround and chase em down, or the casters will target him - when they see an el run past, they usually think it's a moron playing, untill the daggers comeout and drop em. - it's realy quite effective.
back on topic, that was my point. - shiro's blades suck because their req 13, but you can get the same stat's on stuff with other skins, so it's not the end of the world.
Andrew Almond
i'm just glad some of u see my point of view. they suck. because they are req 13. if they were req 12 or 9.. they would be cool. but they are not cool. not cool.
Plague
I, too, think ANet wanted people to think of Shiro's weapons as being big and bad since they have such a high req.
Unfortunately, they're no better than anyone else's weapons since GW is a "balanced" game.
If this was a typical MMORPG, the Shiro weapons would have very powerful statistics.
But... as ANet often forgets, they wanted to make a "balanced" game, and as such, they forfeited many of the neater aspects of cool factor gear in MMOs.
As a result, Shiro's weapons are just... stupid. Funny how they accomplished the exact opposite of what they had hoped to accomplish.
Unfortunately, they're no better than anyone else's weapons since GW is a "balanced" game.
If this was a typical MMORPG, the Shiro weapons would have very powerful statistics.
But... as ANet often forgets, they wanted to make a "balanced" game, and as such, they forfeited many of the neater aspects of cool factor gear in MMOs.
As a result, Shiro's weapons are just... stupid. Funny how they accomplished the exact opposite of what they had hoped to accomplish.
Jongo River
You know I've often thought that if certain skins where only req 13, because of who they were designed for (i.e. a demon, god or whatever), then reqs would actually make sense.
i.e. Beginner weapons Req 1-7
Very Rare Human Max weapons Req 8
Human Max weapons Req 9-10
Dwarf/Char weapons Req 11-12
Demon/spirit weapons Req 13
The idea that even if you are fully trained in a profession, you still need magical assistance to use a particular weapon is a little silly, without some sort of explanation. Just having one instance though, is pretty stupid.
i.e. Beginner weapons Req 1-7
Very Rare Human Max weapons Req 8
Human Max weapons Req 9-10
Dwarf/Char weapons Req 11-12
Demon/spirit weapons Req 13
The idea that even if you are fully trained in a profession, you still need magical assistance to use a particular weapon is a little silly, without some sort of explanation. Just having one instance though, is pretty stupid.
Patrick Smit
@ wildmouse X, so you choose to ignore double strike from high dagger attributes, and extra criticals and energy gain due high critical strikes. Furthermore u have only 60 AL compared to 70 from an assassin. We didnt discuss insignias available yet. I dont think an ele is better than a sin at being sin.
countesscorpula
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shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies.
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
the ele has the same health, and same armor as the sin primary -
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Maybe you should take few less hits off of that bong of yours... it's starting to adversly affect your perception of reality.
* (will someone explain to me why ranged paragons get 80 armor and close range sins get 70?)
prism2525
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies.
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-Loki-
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
negitive - Ele's make better sin's, then any assassin primary ever could...the problem with the sin is you run em out of energy going through the spikes, and end up either dyeing because you stood there auto-swinging - or you teleport away to recharge and they gain all their health back.
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
the ele has the same health, and same armor as the sin primary
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and in PvP the suprise factor of an el runing up and sticking a dagger in your gut is priceless - that alone has won GvG battles for us.
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Lonesamurai
As loki pointed out above, people are getting very simple game information horribly wrong in this thread due to lack of knowledge or just not checking information first...
Again as loki pointed out, Ele's, like all casters have 60AL, where as 'Sins have 70AL like rangers
Also, both of the Shiro weapons are req 13, as they should be fairly "1337" to use as they where his weapons (come on guys, do a little role play here, i'd expect this more from you guys than from the other more elitest forums)
Examples:
Shiro's Sword
Shiro's Sword is a unique sword traded by Adept of Steel, a collector who can be found in Divine Path.
Stats
Slashing damage: 15-22 (requires 13 Swordsmanship)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Life stealing: 3
Health regeneration - 1
Health +30
Shiro's Blades
Shiro's Blades are a unique item available at the end of Factions in exchange for an Amulet of the Mists from the Adept of Shadows in the Divine Path.
Weapon stats
Slashing Dmg: 7-17 (Requires 13 Dagger Mastery)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Life stealing: 3
Health regeneration: -1
Health +30
So as you can see, the dagger version aren't just the only Req 13 weapons, his blade is to for Warrior's
Again as loki pointed out, Ele's, like all casters have 60AL, where as 'Sins have 70AL like rangers
Also, both of the Shiro weapons are req 13, as they should be fairly "1337" to use as they where his weapons (come on guys, do a little role play here, i'd expect this more from you guys than from the other more elitest forums)
Examples:
Shiro's Sword
Shiro's Sword is a unique sword traded by Adept of Steel, a collector who can be found in Divine Path.
Stats
Slashing damage: 15-22 (requires 13 Swordsmanship)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Life stealing: 3
Health regeneration - 1
Health +30
Shiro's Blades
Shiro's Blades are a unique item available at the end of Factions in exchange for an Amulet of the Mists from the Adept of Shadows in the Divine Path.
Weapon stats
Slashing Dmg: 7-17 (Requires 13 Dagger Mastery)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Life stealing: 3
Health regeneration: -1
Health +30
So as you can see, the dagger version aren't just the only Req 13 weapons, his blade is to for Warrior's
WildmouseX
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Originally Posted by countesscorpula
Please explain how shiro's daggers are so much more powerful than say.... Chkkr's Pincers
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Chkkr%27s_Pincers |
i've reuploaded it, so here you can look at the it as origionaly intended....
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Originally Posted by Wildmouse X
shiro's would just be way too over powered if it was req. 9. - go back to smokeing your bongs hippies. - nuf said. |
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Originally Posted by countesscorpula
Uhm, no they don't. Ele's have 60 base armor, and Sins have a base 70*. In addition to this, 3 of the 4 insignias available to sins give +10 vs phys and +10 vs something else.
Maybe you should take few less hits off of that bong of yours... it's starting to adversly affect your perception of reality. * (will someone explain to me why ranged paragons get 80 armor and close range sins get 70?) |
- hence why the paragon gets alot of armor to protect him while he stands there takeing hits and shouting; and the sin get's alot of teleport and run skills so he can get the hell out before he takes damage.
and that in and of it's self is the response to the difference in armor class, yes it's been over a year since i made the character, and therefore haven't looked at what the sin actually has. - you do your job as a sin right and avoid being hit, you can do eeet nakid.
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Originally Posted by Loki
Next time you see an elementalist primary dagger assassin in top 100 GvG, let me know. Any decent team would laugh, kill it, and go about killing the rest of your poorly constructed build.
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there are more ways to skin a cat, and as long as you are narrow minded to outside posibilities, they will always defeat you.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
13 dagger, 12 critical strikes. You'll be doing so many critical hits your damage will be higher than you could possibly get using an elementalist primary, and gaining enough energy back to keep a chain going.
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You can spam attacks like there is no tomorrow.
Anyway, WildmouseX's sin build has so many problems that its not funny and he did one of noobiers mistakes (notably, assuming that big energy pool will solve energy problems.)
9 dagger mastery.
big fire investment without even thinking about using conjure to support damage.
no energy management at all (lol at energy storage.)
yes, i can imagine it can get kills, but at some level, pretty anything can get you kills.
WildmouseX
yes that build was posted within the first month's factions was out and people were stilllearning and playing around with the system... it's evolved since then.
linh
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
negitive - Ele's make better sin's, then any assassin primary ever could...the problem with the sin is you run em out of energy going through the spikes, and end up either dyeing because you stood there auto-swinging - or you teleport away to recharge and they gain all their health back.
the ele has the same health, and same armor as the sin primary - but because of energy storage, they can stay there and throw attacks till the cows come home - and still have enough energy left over to finish off the kill with a nice fireball or ligtning strike. - my first and only sin has been an el primary, and she's outperformed sin primary all over the place, in all three chapters. -- and in PvP the suprise factor of an el runing up and sticking a dagger in your gut is priceless - that alone has won GvG battles for us. |
"then finish it with Lightning Strike or Fireball" just made my day.