Title says it all....
Ranger nowadays play everything EXCEPT a ranger, we have R/N touchers, R/A running dagger skills, R/W with hammers....limiting Expertise to only effect Ranger skills will fix all this crap.
Limit Expertise to ONLY Ranger skills!
Chronos the Defiler
vaxmor
oh noes - versatility in the ranger the class - NERF NOW!
zomg - how dare rangers have flexibility?
we need more cookie cutters.
zomg - how dare rangers have flexibility?
we need more cookie cutters.
Chronos the Defiler
versatility? it players every class except its own....it is rediculous the Ranger itself has plenty of great builds it can run as a RANGER, but people won't because the ranger gives you the ability to make all attack skills and touch skills over every other class take almost no energy.
Master Ketsu
But thats the fun of being a ranger....
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Chronos the Defiler
the fun of being a ranger is not actually being a Ranger?
lyra_song
rangers using other attack skills and normal skills are imbalanced...how?
Rangers DO run out of energy and they dont make better classes of their secondaries
R/A do not have critical strikes to regain energy. They also do not have the same number of energy regen as an Assassin primary.
R/N can only use touch attacks, and i think its pretty obvious that the vamp touchers are a non-issue when it comes to anything outside of RA
R/W? RaO has been nerfed already. The Thumper is pressure thats easy to stop with basic warrior hate.
R/D? Not enough scythe attacks.
Rangers DO run out of energy and they dont make better classes of their secondaries
R/A do not have critical strikes to regain energy. They also do not have the same number of energy regen as an Assassin primary.
R/N can only use touch attacks, and i think its pretty obvious that the vamp touchers are a non-issue when it comes to anything outside of RA
R/W? RaO has been nerfed already. The Thumper is pressure thats easy to stop with basic warrior hate.
R/D? Not enough scythe attacks.
Does-it-Matter
The Ranger is about one thing: versatility. It is the quintessential Jack of All Trades.
And to say Rangers aren't playing their profession-skills isn't entirely correct. They have a large prevalence in PvP, yes, but that's only because the listed builds have a niche that they currently fill quite well.
There is still the Barrager, Broad Head Arrow, and CripShot (and to a lesser degree, Choking Gas). Granted you see these more on PvE (at least the Barrager for sure.)
If I had to think of the profession that has the most "niches" (not builds, but actual roles) I would say it would be the Ranger, which it should be.
And to say Rangers aren't playing their profession-skills isn't entirely correct. They have a large prevalence in PvP, yes, but that's only because the listed builds have a niche that they currently fill quite well.
There is still the Barrager, Broad Head Arrow, and CripShot (and to a lesser degree, Choking Gas). Granted you see these more on PvE (at least the Barrager for sure.)
If I had to think of the profession that has the most "niches" (not builds, but actual roles) I would say it would be the Ranger, which it should be.
David Lionmaster
How is expertise overpowered? Just because rangers can use other weapons effectively doesn't mean they are overpowered.
A ranger may be able to use more energy based warrior skills, but a warrior is going to do noticeably more damage with an axe, sword or hammer than a ranger, due to lack of runes. Same goes for rangers that are secondary assassins, dervishes, or paragons.
A ranger may be able to use more energy based warrior skills, but a warrior is going to do noticeably more damage with an axe, sword or hammer than a ranger, due to lack of runes. Same goes for rangers that are secondary assassins, dervishes, or paragons.
Dr Strangelove
If the builds using expertise were overpowered, you might have a point. As thing stand, they aren't, so rangers are fine, 'nuff said.
Chicken Ftw
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Why nerf expertise when people are mostly using it to run mediocre/subpar builds, according to you?
ShadowsRequiem
any anti melee or snares stops most of these builds short....
but hey in ab when you see a sin spamming flare, maybe you should make a thread about nerfing energy pips so they can't cast ele spells >_>
but hey in ab when you see a sin spamming flare, maybe you should make a thread about nerfing energy pips so they can't cast ele spells >_>
bodyboarder
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This would make alot of people upset if Anet did this but they hopefully wont
This would make alot of people upset if Anet did this but they hopefully wont
Darkpower Alchemist
The ranger is meant to play this way. Read the desciption of Expertise and it's obvious. Nothing here is broken. Move along, people. nothing to see here!
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
Title says it all....
Ranger nowadays play everything EXCEPT a ranger, we have R/N touchers, R/A running dagger skills, R/W with hammers....limiting Expertise to only effect Ranger skills will fix all this crap. |
Mad King Corn
/notsigned Rangers are supposed to be versatile, and obviously the OP never used a Ranger because if he/she did, they would realize that Expertise is not that great, I run out of energy quite often with my Ranger unless I use Marksmans Wager. Sometimes I think Guild Wars is going to end up being a game where spitballs and boxing gloves will be our only viable weapons left after you nerf happy freaks get your own way.
Etta
That's why ranger is one of the best class to play. I know you don't see it but stop forcing other to play it your way.
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Diddy bow
owned by toucher much 
. Rangers are marked "jack of all trades" for a reason 
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. Rangers are marked "jack of all trades" for a reason /notsigned
Hong Kong Evil
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
Title says it all....
Ranger nowadays play everything EXCEPT a ranger, we have R/N touchers, R/A running dagger skills, R/W with hammers....limiting Expertise to only effect Ranger skills will fix all this crap. |
agree, expert is a overpower primary attribute
MithranArkanere
No need to.
All primary attributes have uses for a least one other class.
Warrior: All martial weapon users.
Ranger: All.
Monk: All with spells that target allies.
Mesmer: All spell and signet users.
Necromancer: All, like elementalist.
Elementalist: All, of course.
Assassin: All martial weapon users.
Ritualist: Necromancer, ranger (and assassins with their celestial skill)
Paragon: For... warriors and ranger...? Eh... XD. Least usefull for others, XD.
Dervichs: All with self-casted enchantment spells.
So... you pretend all primary attributes working only for their own classes?
Just nonsense.
All primary attributes have uses for a least one other class.
Warrior: All martial weapon users.
Ranger: All.
Monk: All with spells that target allies.
Mesmer: All spell and signet users.
Necromancer: All, like elementalist.
Elementalist: All, of course.
Assassin: All martial weapon users.
Ritualist: Necromancer, ranger (and assassins with their celestial skill)
Paragon: For... warriors and ranger...? Eh... XD. Least usefull for others, XD.
Dervichs: All with self-casted enchantment spells.
So... you pretend all primary attributes working only for their own classes?
Just nonsense.
vaxmor
overpowered != versatility
expertise allows rangers to use some warrior skills therefore expertise is overpowered and needs a nerf
energy storage allows eles to spam high cost monk spells therefore energy storage is overpowered needs a nerf
btw, all the people that think that R/N touch is overpowered need to L2P, or QQ more.
expertise allows rangers to use some warrior skills therefore expertise is overpowered and needs a nerf
energy storage allows eles to spam high cost monk spells therefore energy storage is overpowered needs a nerf
btw, all the people that think that R/N touch is overpowered need to L2P, or QQ more.
Hawkeye
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Sometimes I think Guild Wars is going to end up being a game where spitballs and boxing gloves will be our only viable weapons left after you nerf happy freaks get your own way.
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yukimura_gw
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I like the ranger flexibility. If you don't like R/N, make a Mesmer.
Imagined Burden+Conjure Phantasm = Useless R/N
I like the ranger flexibility. If you don't like R/N, make a Mesmer.
Imagined Burden+Conjure Phantasm = Useless R/N
Riot Narita
Rangers keep spanking me, and I can't figure out how to stop them. So please nerf Rangers. Also, please make them stand very still while I unload my skills on them. Thank you.
Evilsod
It plays every class except its own because the bow line is absolutely shite. The only build worth mentioning for damage is Burning Arrow.
The bow line needs a buff, nerfing expertise is just the morons way out.
The bow line needs a buff, nerfing expertise is just the morons way out.
MithranArkanere
Yup... expertise bow attacs should be changed to 'ranged attacks' to make then usable with spears, for example... and a lot of much changes too...
I think I've heard of it, they are making changed to mesmer skills and bow attacks.
I think I've heard of it, they are making changed to mesmer skills and bow attacks.
Hawkeye
Well that is a good point. Can't really do anything with good ol' fashion bow power. At best, against a 80 armor monster with the best bow, you can only hope to deal 15 damage without anything added.
But lucky us, we also get hunter shot, which deals +13 damage for 5 energy! Whoo hoo!
The only good thing rangers have going for them in the bow department is being able to hit several enemies at once thanks to barrage. Though an elementalist with aoe could hit several enemies and do far more damage.
Ranger shouldn't be nerfed. The bow skills should be enhanced for damage.
But lucky us, we also get hunter shot, which deals +13 damage for 5 energy! Whoo hoo!
The only good thing rangers have going for them in the bow department is being able to hit several enemies at once thanks to barrage. Though an elementalist with aoe could hit several enemies and do far more damage.
Ranger shouldn't be nerfed. The bow skills should be enhanced for damage.
Shadow Kurd
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read the 24 posts above
read the 24 posts above
Every time i lag
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Master Ketsu
R/N touchies have always been the n00b elimination build. They destroy people who are too inexperianced to kite, and die miserably to the players that can actually play.
Heck, touchies skill bar might as well be morphed into one skill that says "Destroy target n00b. If that n00b was also a PvE scrub that player ragequits back to FoW and you gain 300 life"
Heck, touchies skill bar might as well be morphed into one skill that says "Destroy target n00b. If that n00b was also a PvE scrub that player ragequits back to FoW and you gain 300 life"
Sofonisba
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Monk: All with spells that target allies.
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Tactical-Dillusions
What's the matter OP? Did you get eaten by a touchy? Of course you did, or else you would be demanding that fast casting shouldn't affect other spells or that necros shouldn't gain energy if they have healing spells on their bar.
Versatility is what ArenaNet have always promoted.
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Versatility is what ArenaNet have always promoted.
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Warrior Of The Toon
On top of what everyone else has said, I'm guessing you want to nerf fast casting too? I mean they can like spam any spell twice as fast at 15, OMG OMG nerf it nerf it!!
Jaythen Tyradel
{sarcasm}"Might as well add Nerf to the game, right?"{/sarcasm}
Non-elite:
Nerf Ball
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Sends out magical nerf ball. If it hit another human controlled player, that players skills start to recharge. Recharge for those skills are for 50..75% longer than normal. Player then automatically does /pout or /bored emote while waiting for recharge. Player cannot move while recharge. Sends an auto QQ post to players favorite GW website about how unfair the skill is to other players.
If player is hit more than three times, player is auto /ragequit from game.
Sounds fair to use against those who use builds you don't like, right?
Non-elite:
Nerf Ball
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Sends out magical nerf ball. If it hit another human controlled player, that players skills start to recharge. Recharge for those skills are for 50..75% longer than normal. Player then automatically does /pout or /bored emote while waiting for recharge. Player cannot move while recharge. Sends an auto QQ post to players favorite GW website about how unfair the skill is to other players.
If player is hit more than three times, player is auto /ragequit from game.
Sounds fair to use against those who use builds you don't like, right?
Razz Thom
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let me guess you were playing PvP and got it handed to you by a non bow toting ranger and suddenly because your n00b self got beat it's "OMG nerf it before someone sees that unlike the ranger class my brain has no flexibilty to adapt and overcome". grow up and stop trying to break things just because they don't work for you.
let me guess you were playing PvP and got it handed to you by a non bow toting ranger and suddenly because your n00b self got beat it's "OMG nerf it before someone sees that unlike the ranger class my brain has no flexibilty to adapt and overcome". grow up and stop trying to break things just because they don't work for you.
Lauryn
/notsigned - Leave my ranger alone please ^_^ She never did anything to you :P
Hong Kong Evil
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
Title says it all....
Ranger nowadays play everything EXCEPT a ranger, we have R/N touchers, R/A running dagger skills, R/W with hammers....limiting Expertise to only effect Ranger skills will fix all this crap. |
vaxmor
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Originally Posted by Hong Kong Evil
R/N is a little bit overpower....i think that "Touch" should be something like "attack" , can be blocked and missed
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Scorn
omgawds rangers are crap, the only reason people use them is cause they are the last to die, they do bad damage and they run away. GG suck. Let rangers have what little they possess.
The Legg
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Fr_3_aK
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