Pre-searing "Black Market". Fair Access for all players.

Firebaal, I didn't give you enough credit. My apologies. I kind of thought your thread would just slip away amongst the others.The way you've handled yourself here speaks loudly of your character. You've taken all the right roads, stated your case intelligently, and dealt with others' scrutiny and outright bad attitudes about this subject with tact.

*Raises a cold one to you.

Although I have nothing to add to your thread, except a hearty:

/SIGNED

I'll just say again; Keep up the good work and best of luck.

KANE

LOL @ emoxcore above me.

whats so funny.?

I know that. And in now way, shape or form am I wanting to suggest a rune trader, storage, or crafter be added. I am simply saying that with the personalities of the current game player base, players will not stop pestering Anet until Pre emulates Post in every way.

You call adding something much easier to add than the charr bag was unrealistic?
All about personal gain? NO, I think its more about YOUR personal loss!

The salvage kits should be added for a matter of completeness, that's the only 1 missing element for creating a complete environment, everything else is already there. They added the insignia drops and made the presear collectors armor insigniable for a reason. And that reason definately wasn't to make the exploiters gain even more advantage or make even more profit.

When did I ever say that adding salvage kits would be unrealistic? My personal loss? I haven't played GW for months!

For a matter of completeness? Giving Pre Searing salvage kits would not make it complete.

They made the armor insigniable so that when you go to post you have armor that can benefit from insignias.

You havent played GW for months yet you continue a fierce fight against such a small change? I know all the other people that post with such an intensity against the update are those who either have a fat fortune in those presearing salvages or paid alot for them and don't want others to have them cheaper. If it's not your personal loss why do you care so much then?

And i still think that it's the only one realistic update that's needed for the comlpleteness of the mini game in a game that is presearing. Stuff like trader npcs or max items or superior runes shouldn't be added there. Even

And they definately didn't make the pre collectos armor insigniable for its use after searing. It should be obvious, just look at it's armor level which is far below the cheapest of the post Ascalon armors, it's just subpar, it's not worth putting any insignia inside it when the next cheapest armor is 2x better and has cost similar to the cost of 1 isnignia piece. Want more proof? Just look at the post searing tyrian collectors armors, they're NOT insigniable!

just thought i would give this a bump because i think that this thread should have some Attention from the CR/Dev team. To answer some questions like why is Presearing Armor able to accept insignia's but post isn't?

Meh.... count me in.

/Signed

The runes and insignias are already there, but with no means of accessing them it is just taunting those who don't intend to leave instantly at level 5. Nothing else would need to be added... but as the runes are already there, it is only right that they be accessable.

If not that then make it so ordinary salvage kits can salvage runes with a compulsory break of the item.

Then I will simply say that the personalities of the current game player base will actually not continue pestering Anet untill pre emulates post in every way.

That was.

KANE

I would agree, but the average player that's just passing through isn't going to be doing a lot of Charr Hunting. If your there to learn the game, don't you need access to them in a regular mannor? Besides, at 200 a pop, the Newbie player will think this was steep enough.
Maybe one as a quest reward, for a more difficult quest would be viable???

If you're going to have them anywhere... have them for sale only at Fort Ranik or somesuch...

I imagine the average player in Pre-Searing isn't even going to bother going as far as there. There are typically very few folks around that area of Pre-Searing at the best of times.

I haven't played for months, but I played long enough to know exactly what myself and others are talking about. If they allowed the armor to accept insignias just to set up the introduction of expert salvage kits, they would have added the kits already.

You say that for the cost of an insignia, you could just buy new armor.
That isn't the point. If salvages are introduced to presearing, you won't have to buy insignias.

In response to the posts I have read about salvage kits leading to gold and green drops and how there is nothing to prevent one from leading to the other so to prevent that from happening nothing should be done, I propose a little subtle logic that would infact stop the slide from one to the other.

Usage

A weapon provides an improvement to the statistics of a character, thats all they do.

A salvage kit provides an "ability"

Having a gold sword with max damage or a starter sword with 1-3 damage does not provide the weilder of the gold sword any additional abilities .

However, salvage kits add an actual ability, an action that can be done.

The OP would like to make it so all characters have the ABILITY to salvage, he is not requesting that we all have better STATISTICS on items. There is in fact, no way you can logically tie the implementation of A into a forced implementation of B. No logical path exists between the two. Only if you overly generalize.

/signed

[QUOTE=DreamCatcher]
Hey and Firebaall, when the gh glitch happenes this actually caused me to quit playing gw altogether for a few months up untill factions came along. I missed out on the glitch and frankly (even though I was in the position to obtain some of such glitched items) this is not the way I'd want to play any game. For me part of the game is the challenge itself. Suppose there was this new glitch that I could use to instantly max out all my titles but wheres the fun in that? :P[/quote

I always wonder at how someone can take pride in something they cheated to get?

Agreed on both counts.

/signed

Really like the single collector idea, somewhere out there, 10 charr hides for 10 uses?
I've always enjoyed pre, and it *is* disturbing to see folks profit from the glitch way back when. I have my pre-order weapons available, so the eq isn't an issue for me. The runes/insignias heck even weapon mods would be a godsend though. Adding exp. salvage could only be good, the ONLY thing anyone would lose on this is the ill gotten gains of the exploiters (which by the way, I'm also in favor of).

Personally, I don't like the idea of ESK being introduced in Pre. This is esspecially true, if you have to kill the bosses in the North to aquire one. A collector in each area requiring items from that area will give EVERYONE the chance to find it, while just trying to hurry thru getting their skills to go Post. After all if it is put in Pre for 'learning', then it needs to be in the 'training' area, not the 'Elite' area.

Well,

By observing the many views, comments and concerns that this thread has received, it's obvious that this is a topic of interest. It's also a concern to others, whatever motives they might have (and I don't think I have to repost my thoughts on what I suspect those are.).

Now, I'm guessing everbody that's been following ths thread knows that I think that adding the expert-salvage kit into pre-searing is the ultimate solution. There's so many "pros" that I see to such a simple action.

What I want help with, are the "cons".

Nay sayers: suspend your opinion (just for a moment, please), and suppose this was added. What ill effects would there be? Could there be? Help me understand your concerns. I might be biased 110%, but I like to think I'm somewhat open-minded. This is a non confrontational invitation.

lmao you beat me to it :P

Ok.
well gratz to the op for opening such a very interesting discussion. Something like this was needed for a very long time & I have no doubt that all those pre searing millionairres are probably now shitting thbemselves think about how on earth they can make easy money like they are atm in pre searing.

Lets get this shit into perspective shall we?


Charging 70k per salvage (pre cash) & w/e extortionate amount that is in post gold is really not on.
This hjappened as far as I know because of a gliche when Factions came out allowing ppl to access their alliances guild storage for a small time & thus bringing very good weapons through to pre.

I think for those people that managed to do that then fair play, wouldn't we all if we had known about it? come on be honest.

But as for the seriously inflated & totally scamulous prices some of these same people charge for salvaging 1 rune for instance, well that is vewry unfair & just goes to show the greed of these people.

Enough of the bitching.

Salvage kits should be introduced to pre for the very reason that runes are already dropping there.
Nobody needs the green or gold weapons that Ooofus is talking about & from what I can tell no one is asking for them either.

x does not lead to y etc etc etc.

All we want is a salvage kit, an expert savage kit to be introduced to pre so we can salvage these runes.

An alternative would be to take away the rune drops that frequently drop in pre & to then alter the players armour in pre so that any runes added to it are non eligible.

This game is as I have seen over the past 14 months that I've been playing, supposed to be fair & equal to all.

There will always be those people that find bugs & exploit the game & from what I see anet tries to resolve these issues so all in all I think there should be a vote & then anet should go with the majority.

Vote to either have expert salvage kits in pre for everyone & stop the exploiters from over charging exhourborant amounts of cash for 1 salvage.

Or roll back the amour, take off any runes added to pre armour for everyone there & remove the rune drops full stop so everyone has the same ability where farming is concerned or leveling players up etc.


Who cares about the great weapons that some people already have ther, so what. Let em keep them it really doesnt matter.

Fireball once again I take me hat off to you for starting a very well needed & worthwhile discussion mate.

lmao I just saw a few permanent pre searing people posts here too, I won't mention names but I guess I'm not surprised.

And yes from I remember them posting on a pre searing forum dedicated purely to pre searing then these players also have a vested interest in keeping the expert salvage kits our of pre :s

Hmm....now I wonder why that could possibly be....hmmm.....*looks around sarcasticly*

One question and one question only. If anyone can provide a REAL answer, other then "because it's only fair because someone else got them" then I will gladly sign this. That simple question is; What could you possibly need with a rune in pre-searing? (Now before you jump ugly on me about these follow up questions keep in mind that they are the same question) Do you honestly think it will make anything easier? How much easier could it possibly get? There are ONLY FOUR foes who are over level 5 and ONLY ONE who IS level 5 and a handfull of level 8 Charr. Why oh why do you think you need a rune to defeat level 1, 2, and 3 foes and 4 level 12 Charr?

Now you can sit there from now till doomsday spouting some ridiculous “logic” about how adding these wont open the floodgates to people wanting more and more in pre, but the reality of it is that that's exactly what will happen. And please get off your high-horses talking about how everyone who is against this is some sort of scammer or glitcher. I take offense to that, not all of us did what the OP did and bought illegal items. The fact of the matter is that there are people who actually ENJOY pre the way it is and see no need to start making such drastic (yes is drastic) changes.

Untill I see a single REAL reason for this... /NOT signed

PS: Someone mentioned the idea of making pre armor incapable of holding runes, now that I WOULD /sign in a heartbeat. Why aren't more of you members of the "fairness police" supporting that idea, an idea that would actually accomplish the ends you CLAIM you are after.

[QUOTE=Oofus]One question and one question only. If anyone can provide a REAL answer, other then "because it's only fair because someone else got them" then I will gladly sign this. That simple question is; What could you possibly need with a rune in pre-searing? (Now before you jump ugly on me about these follow up questions keep in mind that they are the same question)[/b]

I'd love to answer, friend.

Let's put the "fair" issue on the shelf for just a bit. I know some people don't want to look at this from that angle. Anyways, people love to improve their characters. Some of these people are permanently in pre-searing. At a certain point, they have gone as far as they can. Except one.

All those dropping runed armours from the Charr Northlands. But darn it....there's no way to use them. "What you say"? Blackmarket? What's that? OOOoooo.

Joe Schmo now has an avenue to continue making the best character he can. For a price (a huge unmoving, exploitative price).

Need you say? Now that's not a fair (Ugh...there's that word again) stipulation to add as a requisite for you changing your mind here. What does anyone "need" to play guild wars? Not alot.

Is this a reason for not trying to become the best your character can be? Sorry for answering with a question, but I thought it was appropriate.

If at that time, I encourage those that request further changes to debate, and demonstrate the reasons for their requests. Not considering an option that will fix a current situation for fear of future requests, seems to be the "ridiculous logic" here.

High Horse? I don't think so. The large majority of people that oppose this cannot demonstrate or even vocalize responses that address the concerns of the original post's purpose. They skirt around the issue with tangents of near random points or discussion, and then slide in a "/not signed".

How about you counter some of the reasons given through-out this entire thread? I'll happily address your concerns. Return the favour.

Might be on this thread, or the one on the other forum. I've stated that I would support this also. I have something to lose with this solution, but I would sacrifice it in a heartbeat for what I believe in. Would you? My conviction on this situation will not waiver.

I agree with this, as well.

/signed to either adding expert salvage or removing "runed" armor drops and weapons with removable upgrades from pre-searing

Thanks:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10170902

I don't have a salvage kit. I DONT EVEN HAVE A PRE CHARACTER!

I just feel that adding salvage kits would ruin the entire atmosphere of pre-searing.

i read this the other day and thought hey what a great idea and the last update include charr salvage kits that were equivalent to elite salvage kits that drop from char bosses maybe this proves the devs do listen a little to what is wanted

*sigh* thanks for making pre 1 step closer to where it shouldnt be...post.

Why do people dredge up old posts?

heehee

Yeah! Can you imagine someone bringing up a 20 day old post?

Nope, sure can't!