\Forty three here, and I tend to rage quite a bit on these forums, but never in game. I play to have fun, I come here to bitch when I don't. Isn't that what Guru is all about?
KANE
Are immature kids hurting the game?
KANE OG
Noticed that a few young folk decided to post their age on the first page. I think that's a sign of maturity right there. Damn, Zinger, 17 huh? I've seen quite a few of your posts, and you're definately not afraid to express yourself (very intelligently, I might add, although I poke fun sometimes when you get pissy). \
Forty three here, and I tend to rage quite a bit on these forums, but never in game. I play to have fun, I come here to bitch when I don't. Isn't that what Guru is all about?
KANE
\Forty three here, and I tend to rage quite a bit on these forums, but never in game. I play to have fun, I come here to bitch when I don't. Isn't that what Guru is all about?
KANE
Series
OMG! That guy iz racist! He haz a diffrent poind of vew tehn me! I am gunna make a topic on GWG to complain abut it lolzzz
DOCB22
to OP: I feel you pain. but It's the summer in America, the "kids" will be back to school in a couple of monts and all will be right with GW,same as last summer untell then keep you head up and keep in mind we were all young once.
p.s. I(37) dont think I was as bad as the kids of today are, most seen to be @ss holes.
p.s. I(37) dont think I was as bad as the kids of today are, most seen to be @ss holes.
Cottage Pie
adults are much worse than kids; a 14 year old is basically just mouthing off or copying others and typically they have such dire spelling ya can't take them seriously. But, the older males tend to have well developed mental issues and can be outright vicious and obsessive, I like to throw a good insult at them then insta block, really boils their noodle that does.
Personally, I swear like a nutter in local when I PvX - when interupted i swear, I swear at people hexing me, I swear at wiki-build noobs, I swear at anyone for almost anything. That's simply my temper. There is eloquence in swearing.
Besides, there's a language filter, if for some reason swearing offends you, use it, you'll only end up thinking I have an huge '*' key on my keyboard
Personally, I swear like a nutter in local when I PvX - when interupted i swear, I swear at people hexing me, I swear at wiki-build noobs, I swear at anyone for almost anything. That's simply my temper. There is eloquence in swearing.
Besides, there's a language filter, if for some reason swearing offends you, use it, you'll only end up thinking I have an huge '*' key on my keyboard
Xiaxhou of Trinity
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True, but by their very nature aren't kids immature? It's the idiotic behaviour of various nut jobs that bugs me more than immaturity!
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The game is online and without monthly fee so you SHOULD expect immaturity regardless of age. It's the internet. You should also expect discriminatory remarks and mentalities like "cheap build you win with two monks i could take you 1v1 nubcake" in the game because first of all, discrimination is present in all age groups and in all parts of the world, we have not achieved a utopia yet (nor ever will), and secondly because there are simply "smart" people who can rise above a loss in RA and "dumb" people who whine and gripe and make a lot of excuses because they can't get this or they can't win that.
Point: Age does NOT matter and by claiming that it is is only a form of discrimination, AGISM.
What I'm wondering is why the hell are 12 year-old and younger kids playing the game? They are exposed to this behavior which they are most likely not capable to handle and will eventually emulate and they are also UNDER THE RATING, which is TEEN+. Not much you can do with a capatalist mind "as long as we make money who cares" idea floating around these days....
<-----15, was 13 when got game tyvm
EDIT: Relambrien i agree with everything in your post and everything you said is right on the dot, ROCKIN
XvArchonvX
Immature people hurt all online games, but unfortunately, they aren't all kids and as others have said, the worst of them are often 'adults'.
Hexum
I understand what your saying about the immaturity of some people. But how is it ruining the game? Most of these bs comments are for attention. The best thing to do is ignore these people and they usually shut up. It doesn't ruin my game or gaming experience when I see this, I just move on to whatever it was i was doing.
cellardweller
Form a guild of 30yo+ players in your time zone. Turn of Local. Problem solved.
Nevin
I argue back at them, its fun and a refreshing break from AB farming. BOOOOAAAAAH
bart
There are many kids in other mmorpgs but you don't see them behaving the way they do in GW. I think its because of a lack of banning for offensive behavious/language thats causing the problem.
For example in WoW if there is somebody steps out of line you can report him and b rest assured that there will be an investigation. in GW, if you report they direct you to the forums to QQ.
For example in WoW if there is somebody steps out of line you can report him and b rest assured that there will be an investigation. in GW, if you report they direct you to the forums to QQ.
Retribution X
I'm 15 And I agree.
that's why God invented the ignore list, and the chat toggle buttons...
that's why God invented the ignore list, and the chat toggle buttons...
Bryant Again
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eh well if the aim of the racism is to hurt and you let them know that you don't like it, I think that is encouraging it... ignoring it they'll see that its ineffective and move on... at least thats how I've always dealt with the less desirable side of society and its usually worked *shrug*
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Kale Ironfist
It's not so much the younger generation, but immaturity. You can't tag someone in the teenage age bands as immature, simply because you don't know how mature they are. You can, however, have the bias that they are likely to be immature.
As a teenager myself, I've seen the actions of many my own age group and cringed at their thought process.
The underlying reasons why you see these things in game and feel that it is hurting the game is discipline. Because of the no monthly fee format, adolescents can ask to have their parents to buy the game without any further impact to their wallet. This then leads to not using the 'discipline=reward' plan, which encourages good behaviour. What is also contributing to this is the fact that parents are not applying that same plan towards computer use.
Using the argument that 'kids will be kids' is not a good argument, as most of the perpetrators of such immature actions are better described as teenagers or adolescents. Even then, it all boils down to how much control and discipline each individual has, which varies based on life experience since some of them may not even be in that age group.
By the way, I'm eighteen, sixteen when I started playing this game.
As a teenager myself, I've seen the actions of many my own age group and cringed at their thought process.
The underlying reasons why you see these things in game and feel that it is hurting the game is discipline. Because of the no monthly fee format, adolescents can ask to have their parents to buy the game without any further impact to their wallet. This then leads to not using the 'discipline=reward' plan, which encourages good behaviour. What is also contributing to this is the fact that parents are not applying that same plan towards computer use.
Using the argument that 'kids will be kids' is not a good argument, as most of the perpetrators of such immature actions are better described as teenagers or adolescents. Even then, it all boils down to how much control and discipline each individual has, which varies based on life experience since some of them may not even be in that age group.
By the way, I'm eighteen, sixteen when I started playing this game.
MMSDome
eh it bothers me all the time. Especially when I AB and when teamates from another party call the other team noobs for losing, its immature and wrong. I always give a whisper to people for saying unkind things when others dont deserve it just because for some reason it bothers me. Morons arent going to make me stop playing the game but they certainly make it a less delightfull GW community.
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Incandecree
Kids will be kids I agree. However reading the Guild Wars Rules of Conduct it states:
The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement.
In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement.
While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language.
You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content.
Animosity doesn't promote the community wellbeing. The problem is that because of the anonymity that the internet gives it allows those to run rampant spouting anything and everything without the hint of class or common sense.
Does turning off local chat solve the problem? No. Is there an easy solution? No.
The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement.
In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement.
While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language.
You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content.
Animosity doesn't promote the community wellbeing. The problem is that because of the anonymity that the internet gives it allows those to run rampant spouting anything and everything without the hint of class or common sense.
Does turning off local chat solve the problem? No. Is there an easy solution? No.
Avarre
From my view... it's the internet. Taking anyone seriously unless you know they are worth taking seriously is a waste of effort, and only results in agitation.
My ignore list is empty, because I really don't care if people whine or flame at me, it's usually just amusing. Unless it's spam and is blocking my chat window, that's annoying.
My ignore list is empty, because I really don't care if people whine or flame at me, it's usually just amusing. Unless it's spam and is blocking my chat window, that's annoying.
Coridan
I will often tell "rude, immature, racist people" what i think about thier comments...and then move them to my ignore list....i usually take them off ignore when I go to another town...because I rarely see the same characters over and over ..... It is the responsiblity of adults and peers of "immature" people to correct them....because once we accept it as the "norm" then it becomes the "norm" for better or worse....thats where we are now....
Oh well its the internet thats the way it is etc etc....I report what i consider "flame" messages that i see on this board...I am not a holier than tho type of person but if I don't take some steps to correct the problem...then i am contributing to the problem.... just my opinion
EDIT: 33 yrs old , father of 3...so i do have some sort of obligation to make sure that my children grow up with a strong set of morals......what they should or should not tolerate...and why
Oh well its the internet thats the way it is etc etc....I report what i consider "flame" messages that i see on this board...I am not a holier than tho type of person but if I don't take some steps to correct the problem...then i am contributing to the problem.... just my opinion
EDIT: 33 yrs old , father of 3...so i do have some sort of obligation to make sure that my children grow up with a strong set of morals......what they should or should not tolerate...and why
Lt.Crumpet
immature PEOPLE are whats ruining the game, not just the kiddies.
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immature PEOPLE are whats ruining the game, not just the kiddies.
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After the little twerps are gone, then we go after the big twerps.
Andisa Kalorn
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The "Kids will be kids arguement" is a bad one. Kids will be kids. But people promoting hate speech is not a "childish" action which I will turn the other check for. It's a felony.
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I'm not a kid anymore, but I never acted the way I see many kids act now. Because I was raised to be a better person than that (and no it didn't require beatings).
And yes, some of the bad behaviour does come from adults. I remember one day when some of the guildmates I had at the time, who were 40+ years old, decided it would be great fun to tell a bunch of racist jokes. Given that they lived in the southern states and they were insulting blacks... it was extremely offensive, even though I'm not black myself.
I still suspect that alot of the idiots in local channel are kids though. There's just certain things that they say that could only be said by someone about 13 years old.
Bryant Again
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But you're not really in a position to penalize or punish them, all you can really do is yell back.
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Since most of them are just after attention in the first place...
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...Wait, are you talking about in Guild Wars or in real life? Because you can report people who talk like that in Guild Wars (hence why I said I don't take that kind of crap earlier in the thread). I do agree that kids just do it for attention in Guild Wars, and what's funny is they don't know how easy it is to get them in trouble.
Vinraith
I thought it was clear I meant in Guild Wars, clearly there ARE things you can do when they try this kind of thing in real life. Then again, RL degenerates are a whole different level than internet degenerates.
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Kids have a right to immature I guess, and it's nothing new, we see it all the time in real life nearly as much as online games. As Azagoth said, the real problem comes from none kid nut jobs, mainly invloving e-peen etc.
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The internet's anonymity and the lack of retribution is the main "cause" for them being able to vent this behavior, as in real life they will get punished for it. I admire people who have an odd build and play it well, usually they don't say "pawn3d xxxxxxxxx" either when they have won from you, I dislike people who come with an unoriginal (buttonmashing) build and need to insult the hell out of u because they think its part of the game. No this behavior is also not allowed according the EULA as well. But chat channel policy is extremely limited, if not absent.
Amy Awien
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It is very mature as when I grew up I got the strap or a slap in the face from my parents or even teachers.Teenagers are praticaly getting away with almost anything they can swear at their parents and act like they are amrter than those 20 years older than themselves.I would like to see their constitional rights revoked.Like it was for me.A principal hit me with pointer years ago.Adults can talk about kids any way they want.
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Surena
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Kids are not "naturally" immature and immoral. It's bad parenting. And a society that promotes such behaviour. Thus the rise of "road rage" and increasingly bratty kids. Anyone who works with kids will see that kids are getting more rude, along with their parents.
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Div
This is the only place immature kids can express their immaturity without being really punished. They won't be able to talk about most of that stuff in school or in front of others, and they think just because they're behind a computer screen they are invincible (which in a sense, they are). They'll be able to trash talk you and try to bring you down to their pathetic level. That's how it's always been...
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You indeed have the right to be immature, however that does not mean you have the right to insult, and troll em until they react.
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And I disagree with "Children are not naturally immature", Because doesn't immature mean to behave like a child or not grown up yet (As opposed to act stupid which most people believe), and it makes sense that children naturally behave like children. All young animals are immature, not just humans.
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From my view... it's the internet. Taking anyone seriously unless you know they are worth taking seriously is a waste of effort, and only results in agitation.
My ignore list is empty, because I really don't care if people whine or flame at me, it's usually just amusing. Unless it's spam and is blocking my chat window, that's annoying. |
Etta
Ha! Kids. They'll get better when they're starting to notice the opposite sex or same sex, not to mention start drinking, doing drugs etc. Or when they get older and have to go to work, pay rent, taxes, bills. They'll have all of the real world craps to deal with just like the rest of us, the so call adult. So forget about it.
If you really bother about all of these punk ass kids in game. Just remember most of them never even been near the 3rd base yet, nevermind kissing a girl or boy.
If you really bother about all of these punk ass kids in game. Just remember most of them never even been near the 3rd base yet, nevermind kissing a girl or boy.
Roshi_ikkyu
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As an adult who plays GW, I find that the graphic comments that I hear in many locations is really uncalled for. I am not a prude by any means, but have learned there is no place in a public area for some of the things I see. I don't really see how it can be controlled short of constant screen shots and reporting to ANET.
Now I am assuming that most of this is coming from kids as I hope any adults would have a little more common sense. I know that this is not all young people for we have in our guild many very nice kids, but does anyone have any ideas on how to control the problem children? I apologize, I may have mis-stated. I should said are immature people hurting the game. At my age (59) most all of you who play are kids, but noone should condone the type of conduct that some people think is cute or funny. I ask all of you who may be an offender or a condoner, would you talk like that in front of your family? In most cases I think not, if if you do shame on you and your family. |
Ignore the immature, turn chat off, but even attempt to dictate and you'll have my posts reading RED ENGINE line after line!
Amy Awien
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Modern Psychology disagrees.
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Shuuda
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Actually Modern Psychology doesn't disagree, environmental factors are crucial in the development. But you are free to post your sources, if you have any. Though this isn't really the place to delve in to these matters.
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I think the topic title should be "Are Stupid kids hurting the game" because all kids are immature (By it's real meaning, it the insulting one which is being used in this thread). If kids were not immature, why do we have puberty? (Puberty being the bridge between being immature kid to mature adult) By my understanding Immature =/= stupidity
freekedoutfish
There is only really 2 ways they could deal with immature language...
1) Add an age restriction for the game (which would alienate a large portion of the community)
2) Put an parent filture into the software, which allowes parents to block foul lanauge from being seen or sent. Something which only they can turn on or off using a password.
But that relys on the parents being aware of what games they children play, and knowing they can lock it.
Add the end of the day, the responibility for how children behave, whether it be online or in person comes down the parents.
If you have a child playing an online game, where they talk to 100s of people and can be exposed to bad lanuage, then its your responsibility to stop them or observe them.
Its not Anets job to babysit young players, unless their actually breaking the terms of use.
Its no different to a parent buying their child an 18 rated game or film and then complaining it has graphic violence, sexual references and swearing in it.
Its also not JUST children who behave immature ingame and use bad lanuage. Alot of teenagers, and adults do it too. The kind of people who wouldnt say boo-to-a-goose in person because they would get linched! But online they suddenly find the courage to insult you because you cant see them or get your hands on them.
Its immature children and pathetic adults who need to use bad language in game and insult each other. People who have to boost their ego by upsetting others.
1) Add an age restriction for the game (which would alienate a large portion of the community)
2) Put an parent filture into the software, which allowes parents to block foul lanauge from being seen or sent. Something which only they can turn on or off using a password.
But that relys on the parents being aware of what games they children play, and knowing they can lock it.
Add the end of the day, the responibility for how children behave, whether it be online or in person comes down the parents.
If you have a child playing an online game, where they talk to 100s of people and can be exposed to bad lanuage, then its your responsibility to stop them or observe them.
Its not Anets job to babysit young players, unless their actually breaking the terms of use.
Its no different to a parent buying their child an 18 rated game or film and then complaining it has graphic violence, sexual references and swearing in it.
Its also not JUST children who behave immature ingame and use bad lanuage. Alot of teenagers, and adults do it too. The kind of people who wouldnt say boo-to-a-goose in person because they would get linched! But online they suddenly find the courage to insult you because you cant see them or get your hands on them.
Its immature children and pathetic adults who need to use bad language in game and insult each other. People who have to boost their ego by upsetting others.
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Solution turn local off. [i]As for the main element of your post, how dare you even consired attemtping to dictate. Shame on you, learn a lesson about free will.
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iridescentfyre
Well, immature kids are nothing new in any online game, lest of all Guild Wars. It's quite a difficult balancing act for Anet to do... is getting rid of immaturity really worth your in-game freedom? (Un?)fortunately people have the right to say or do what they want, provided it doesn't conflict with the EULA and an Anet admin cannot be there every moment to pass judgement on every little thing.
There is a reason that under the ESRB rating on every online game, it reads "Game Experience May Change During Online Play." You can't set up a language filter for everything.
There is a reason that under the ESRB rating on every online game, it reads "Game Experience May Change During Online Play." You can't set up a language filter for everything.
william1975
The amount of posts on here about the foul language and crude behaviour of people that are hypocritical and contradictory is astounding.
The majority of those complaing about such behaviour seem to think its ok for them to use such language and behaviour, or think that by putting a few * symbols in they are not using bad language, some think that an abbreviation gets round it too. This is plainly laughable
Lets teach our children and others that they should use foul and abusive language by using it ourselves. Its sch a wonderful idea I'm sure it will work!
If someone uses fould/abusive/rascist language the answer from some here seems to be to scream and shout at them. Because thats how we should teach people its wrong isn't it.
I'm sure if we see a gang of half a dozen youths in real life spouting rascist remarks, that we will all go over to them and give them a piece of our mind, and once we find the knife stuck inbetween our ribs, and our lifeblood pouring out on the floor we will congratulate ourselves for standing up to them and making them behave themselves in a decent way.
While i don't like many behaviours shown by people in public or online I don't think that as individuals we can prevent it, either online or in public. In society today its just not safe to stand up to these people and tell them they are wrong, and they wouldn't even bother listening to you in the first place. What is more likely is that they continue to do as they were, or assault you instead.
If you want a resolution then gettign the authorites to interven is the only option. wether it is anet for this game or the government in reality. Mind you the majority would end up in prison if foul language was a criminal offense
The majority of those complaing about such behaviour seem to think its ok for them to use such language and behaviour, or think that by putting a few * symbols in they are not using bad language, some think that an abbreviation gets round it too. This is plainly laughable
Lets teach our children and others that they should use foul and abusive language by using it ourselves. Its sch a wonderful idea I'm sure it will work!
If someone uses fould/abusive/rascist language the answer from some here seems to be to scream and shout at them. Because thats how we should teach people its wrong isn't it.
I'm sure if we see a gang of half a dozen youths in real life spouting rascist remarks, that we will all go over to them and give them a piece of our mind, and once we find the knife stuck inbetween our ribs, and our lifeblood pouring out on the floor we will congratulate ourselves for standing up to them and making them behave themselves in a decent way.
While i don't like many behaviours shown by people in public or online I don't think that as individuals we can prevent it, either online or in public. In society today its just not safe to stand up to these people and tell them they are wrong, and they wouldn't even bother listening to you in the first place. What is more likely is that they continue to do as they were, or assault you instead.
If you want a resolution then gettign the authorites to interven is the only option. wether it is anet for this game or the government in reality. Mind you the majority would end up in prison if foul language was a criminal offense
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Ha! Kids. They'll get better when they're starting to notice the opposite sex or same sex, not to mention start drinking, doing drugs etc. Or when they get older and have to go to work, pay rent, taxes, bills. They'll have all of the real world craps to deal with just like the rest of us, the so call adult. So forget about it.
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Whaa!, I don't want to be an Adult!
I wish I will never Age again!(I somewhat believe in the "Next/Past Life" thing^^)
I don't want to Work, Pay Bills, etc, etc!
BTW, I think Immature Kids are Anoyying, Being a Kid Myself but not in Games but in my School especialy Annoying, Stupid Kindergarteners^^!
But I was like them so I understand why they are like that^^!
Arrows[PURE]
Well really I just tend to ignore them, they normally amuse me as others have said on this forum. Most of the time if theyr ignored after a while they'll stop, because they only do it for a response. The worst place for this imo is alliance battle, I dont so much see it in outposts really.
I don't see anything wrong with bad language (swearing). I rarely use it, but I hear it everyday of my life just about. I dont think theres much wrong , because nearly every 10 year old I know, knows how to swear and they are going to do it out of the game, with their friends.
But anyway I don't think there is a non extreme solution to this. Answer (as has been said before) , untick local chat
I don't see anything wrong with bad language (swearing). I rarely use it, but I hear it everyday of my life just about. I dont think theres much wrong , because nearly every 10 year old I know, knows how to swear and they are going to do it out of the game, with their friends.
But anyway I don't think there is a non extreme solution to this. Answer (as has been said before) , untick local chat