Guildwars really do dominate WoW...

I beta tested it and I just couldn't get into it enough to make the monthly fee seem worth it :/. Just my own experience with it.

Sorry my opinion stands. Call it an "initial impression only opinion" if you want, since it deals soley with the noobie experience to level 8, 7 different times. Bottom line remains that I tried my best to dig into it and find something that satisfied and kept me coming back. I even tried different player roles just to see if one played in a more appealing way to me than the others. Moral of my story is that the experience of playing through the first X character levels of the game should not be classified as something that has to be endured if there's to be any expectation that I continue to play.

That still shows nothing. You are judging a whole game based on playing very very very little content. It's like me making 10, or even 30 characters in Guild Wars, leveling them only to 4, and basing my view of the game on that.

In WoW, you haven't even gotten out of Pre-Searing.

No, they've always been there.

I like the swimming too and of course the jumping and horses I'd love to see those three in GW. GW2 sounds like it is heading in that direction

Ok I'm cool with admitting that I can't do a comprehensive review of the game, but the idea that my opinion is ill formed because the game held no content that compelled me to continue is as phony as can be. The fact that I deleted and repeated many characters was incidental to the boredom, not a planned test approach.

I was a noob who saw no compelling reason to continue. The game utterly failed to engage me... dangle a carrot, etc. Allegedly 5 million other folks "felt differently" about it than I did, or were the just sucked into the black hole vortex of no other significant and new MMORPG titles at the time of release?

When it's torture to rise above noobiedom that means no noobs can voice their experience and have an opinion?

So these "low level" instantiated dungeons that you're saying were always there... what level of spawn do they have? What character level were they actually designed for? Just curious. Would have much preferred to check them out.

I've played both WoW and GW.

I really like WoW for the Auction House, Professions, Non-Instanced Areas, Riding on Gryphons to Travel, In-Game Email System, Mounts. Edited post to add, Jumping and Swimming.

I really like GW for Sexy Female Characters, Weapons, Heroes/Henchies, Missions, Fighting.

If GW would adapt some of the features of Wow like the Auction House, In-Game Email System, Mounts, and Professions that would be awesome.

No it's fine, just as long as your clear about what your opinion is concerned with. It's not fair to say that WoW is a horrible game when you haven't even left the starting area.

There are instances designed for every level after 15. You could actually probably start at 12.

Having 2, 14 day, spances of trial time into a game may give you a little bit of insight, but hardly makes you effectively capable of judging it wouldnt you agree?


Again nothing wrong with having a family life, but should your demographic be looking at an rpg directed solely at them, I mean traditionally rpgs need to have to that level of commitment its part of the fullfillment of the game. You work hard your character gets stronger, you can do more stuff, you cant get stronger etc. Nothing wrong with making it possible to play casually but if it makes the game suffer as a whole (and in an rpg it does) its probably not a good idea.


Trust me its not limited to a monthly subscription fee based game. I used to really love what GW could have been, but one mistake followed by a stupid cover-up after another led me to your "had enough" conclusion. Now in a subscriptin based game thats going to hurt the game makers and they will have to do something to fix it or else lose their source of income, however in the free based play they can afford to ignore you. Theyll just say "its a casual game, put it down for now and come back when your excited about new content" ;p. I mean they blew a lotta smoke to get you to buy the 1st one they can blow even more smoke tell you buy the "fix" for the problem and you might be tempted to go for it cause its "free play," and there are some good things you like about it...

Well if your opinion is the graphics arent as good thats fine, but to me theyre ok in both games... way better than my early days of Atari and Nintendo... but the game itself should be the main focus if it looks good thats a bonus. By your reasoning I should have Blue-Ray or whatever the new HD DVD stuff is to replace my old DVD collection cause it "looks better." To me the difference is negligible.

Two 14 day trial hardly makes you an expert. Theres soooooo many things to do in WoW and soooooo many servers that I doubt that 100% all your neccesary quests were taken up. Again I think its your lack of experience more than actual valid judgement.

Again you played zero time in the game and if you only got to lvl 8 you experienced 1% of the game content im sure.

If by genre you mean RPG well FF beat GW, if by MMORPG well GW PvE content is really in all honesty lacking. Its doubtful to convice you of this I'm sure so I wont even try, but in terms of character development, storyline, quests, ways in which to interract with people and the surrounding world, all are lacking in GW imho from an MMORPG standpoint... and if in that "travel time" I run across people hey I may end up playing with them or killing monsters on the way to gain some loot/exp great!, its not like its mindless walking like you make it out to be with your oh so wise lvl 8 world walking experience... As for Instances.... You know of the WoW instances obviously, again lvl 8 (although theres plenty of low lvl instances in WoW . If walking is your only problem well dont play an RPG you pretty much gotta do that.

Well in WoW if a lvl 70 kills something and has a like lvl 5 in the party the lvl will get none to little exp, GW has power levelers though lol. GW may have once been skill orientented but not anymore... the encounter variation is neglegible and really only affects monks. Most monster mobs are taken out the same way dont aggro to much lure them to you and hit 1234 1234 1234: repeat. Takes no skill trust me, one of my biggest gripes with GW PvE is its skilless. Even the higher-end stuff, which imho is worse cause its like 6 hours of running around skillessly.

I dont even care about the level cap honestly, Ive never advocated for it to be raised or given it much thought. I think it has to do with the amount of available/replayable content of an RPG im sure. The lower the level cap is, the less varying amount of content you can have, because less of a middle ground... atm in GW if youre NOT 20 you insta-suck and stay on noob isle/ascalon for proph (which is small/secluded) theres nothing to do for a mid-range level character so rush rush rush to get that 20 cause nothing else matters unless your max lvl in this game. Getting your skills is a side benefit but you need those att points and HP if you really want to get anywhere. If you dont want misrepresentative numbers jacking up the gameplay in your game, shouldnt listen to anything anet says, ot that idiotic buisness model which is equivalent to making a cross-country 8 lane freeway for a guy on a bike... 3.5 million copies sold world wide, 1 big empty friend/guild list... Actions>Words

So the fact the game held no appeal to continue beyond noobieness is not construable as even an ounce of it's overall crappiness? The content beyond what I played may be the best gaming ever written... how would I know? If I can't stand to slog through the initiation of "suffer the noobieness" zones then the rest of the content doesn't enter in to the discussion. That's the biggest darn shame of all. I obviously missed out on what many other people felt was the good part of the game because I decided not to pay my dues in newbie-land.

Was my experience typical? Perhaps not. Totally insignificant? Probably not. So if you're blizzard and you hear about my kind of experience happening do you say, "there may be something to this." Or do you take my 18 years of PC gaming expirence and chuck it, saying some self-consoling quip about how "this guy was a pussy. couldn't even hack the noob zones." and leave it at that? We like what we do so we're going to leave it like it is.... Ask Sony Online Entertainment how well that mantra has worked for them.

To be fair, Prophecies actually handled character progression fairly well, with the average character reaching level 20 around augury rock. That has of course been muddled with factions and heroes and runs and power levelers...... but the original intended character progression model was fairly well done. getting skills as quest rewards certainly helped as well to developing a character but then factions came along and essentially killed all character progression standards...

The key difference of course being that WoW has 9 million subscribers who also like what they're doing... if a million people complain then sure, they'd consider changing it up. but if only a hundred people have problems with the newbie experience, then ya, they're probably not going to exert the effort to change it.

My personal opinion? WoW makes my stomach churn every time I see a screenshot of it... Hell, i nearly threw up seeing it on my housemates machine

However in all seriousness, WoW really is the ONLY game ever i have turned my nose up from the graphics alone... I'm not even willing to install it to try the 14 day trial

Funny... this chat reminds me of a video on you-tube I watched just yesterday... this guy's comparing the PvP elements of WoW and GW. Fifteen minute clip... the first fourteen is his level 34 (or so) elementalist(mage ?) running around looking for someone to kill, finally finds someone (warlock?) two levels higher and gets wiped. Rinse, repeat.

The last minute... saying you can't do that in GW (the random killing of people), a quick whine about the PvP arenas, and declaring WoW the PvP winner. The guy was completely clueless about GW PvP yet had it completely written off as non-existent.

Each game has aspects that it's fans like over the other, and both sides will never agree that GW's better, so let's just let it rest.

seriously? they're not that bad when you turn all the options on. not great, but not bad. now, everquest pre-expansion.... that one gave me the feeling you describe.

Huh? I know what you are saying and I'm disagreeing with you. Or you are agreeing with Zinger that WoW has better PvP because its more popular. Just because something has more publicity and is able to catch the public eye more does not make it better than something else.

You are loosing patience? I could say that right back at you. But whoa, you really did troll more. So.. here we go. Again.

You won't go to find and backup your post? Heh fine but as to the things you said, yeah I did say that you need to stand in a major city and spam LFG. But unfortunately for you, its not BS, as you said, its actually a 1st hand perspective experience which you have no way to prove is right or wrong. Here is what I said You think WoW always had a global LFG system? You think people used to meeting stones too? Hah! Oh wait you answered your own question Outland isn't instanced? I don't think that was my point at all. The Outlands is not a part of Azeroth at all, in fact I said its in different parts. " I thought maybe this will come across as the persistent world is broken up? If that did bring some confusion, then what, my bad?

Inability to find a group outside a city?! I never ever said that. I did say that the majority of people meet in cities. Which is subjective too. But you also agreed with me.My experience in playing WoW is dated, yes. However my main arguments which I've always still held and still arguing is....
What is really annoying is that you are not aware of the points I made with Bryant Again and I have to repeatably say the same point again. And as far as I know, you still don't play with people around world internationally in WoW.

Oh yes, the point in which I have been saying that WoW does not have. Nor does it have anything close to it. The international district and the connect to the world or the useless option in as you like to say. The useless option in which people like to take tournaments in PvP and versing guilds across the world and the useless option which allows friends and family to play together who are overseas apart.

So now you are saying my arguments are petty while WoW is so much better. I like these internet insults. But you know, its so laughable, yet GW has it the option and WoW doesn't. Its so laughable, that you can change your region 6x and WoW doesn't even let you choose your region. I'm really interested in this well known fact about a persistent world world being so much better social-wise since both can give advantages.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=161479

"How much of the sequel will be instance-based, and how much persistent? There's been talk that the whole thing is persistent, but that's not the case then...?

Jeff Strain: No, the foremost goal of Guild Wars 2 is to make it the ultimate Guild Wars for Guild Wars fans. Guild Wars charted new territory, not only with its business model but with a very innovative design, and a large part of that innovative design was the way we utilised instancing technology to tell this more direct story.

We're not going to let that go, it's one of the most powerful features of Guild Wars 1 and one of the features we think really makes it stand out. So that will still be a core foundation of Guild Wars 2. But we want to use the addition of persistent world to also explore other types of gameplay.

So no, it's absolutely not the case that we're dropping instancing technology, we'll continue to carry that forward because we think it's one of the foundational pillars of Guild Wars."

When have I said WoW sucked? I swear someone else said the same thing as you did. But ahh! So if it's a popular game, it must be good. I guess going by the masses... what they say... like sheep is a good thing. However, why popularity is not always better is a different topic.

I have no idea what this has to do with WoW being mind controlled by blizzard but what not, so whatever. I'll post soon for Bryant Again but this is all for now. See you soon!

What's needed for a judgment to be made? I'm not purporting to be an expert evaluator of the whole game that is WoW, but I'm not about to say that I can't draw a conclusion from the experience I had with it, nor am I dismissive enough to say that my evaluation is completely irrelevant. Most of the evaluations I made are constants throughout the game regardless of level. Or do I get to quit paying the monthly fee once I reach 70th level? I'm not trying to claim that a WoW gameplay goes the way my experience went in the noobie zones. I'm just pointing out that that experience was horrible enough that I had no desire to continue and was left with no hope of the circumstances changing. Maybe I chickened out... Maybe I cut my losses before they were realized.

I agree with you mostly here, however I think there is still room for improvement in what qualifies as good RPG gameplay. Character development doesn't have to equate to player masochism. There is better middle ground still to be achieved by both blizzard and Anet, as far as what satisfying, available and meaningful character development really is. GW isn't really an RPG, submersion-wise. WoW is an overwrought, overly taxing RPG. For me the fun went out of making the effort.

I agree that this is not solely a side-effect of paying a subscription, I'm just saying that having experienced both breaking points, with a subscription game, and a free game, the fact that you're paying for it with subscription games made that breaking point all that much more bitter for me.

As for the game shops listening to your input, I have no experience with blizzard so I won't evaluate them. SOE was the worst. They pretended to listen and then produced nerfs when they couldn't ever provide evidence of them being requested. They blatantly went their own direction regardless of the player input. Anet has, in my experience, been hands-down, the most actively communicating and responsive game maker I've ever purchased. But I also think that the evaluation has to go beyond "I asked them for X and they never put it in the game." A macro-perspective is what is relevant, and from all the evidence I can gather Anet is stupendous in this regard.

I wouldn’t have taken any issue in this regard if you had said "I should have PS3 to replace my Nintendo 64 graphics because it looks better." That would be much closer to the difference in graphics quality between GW and WoW. But hey, if you can't tell the difference, ignorance is bliss. Camp away in cartoon-land.


Who claimed expertise? And prove a correlation between the amount of time spent and the amount of expertise gained. And in case you missed the timeframe of my 2 trials they were 3 and 8 months after the game issued. There were still massive server crowding problems 3 months after release in case you wondered. The SOOO MANY SERVERS you mention took time to come online. By 8 months I don't know why my experience was so similar. Plum bad luck evidently. To give it a little more context, I was joining the servers where my paying friends were already playing, as most people who were given trial subscriptions would have done. All those new empty servers just waiting to snatch up new players were irrelevant.

I really don't see how all this adds up to lack of experience. My evaluation isn't of ALL the content that is in WoW. It's a reflection of the admittedly small amount of it I could tolerate. Now provide an argument that substantiates that my evaluation of that portion of the game is not a valid judgment.

So what you're saying is that I can take your wife on 2 different 14 day vacations and diddle her an average of 6 hours a day the whole duration of the vacation and then come back and say "The amount of time I've spent diddling your wife is zero. No judgment can be made about whether or not we did, in fact, diddle, because, over all, neither of us have spent enough of our lives diddling to be authoritative on what it is. Sorry I'm only a level 8 diddler so I can't definitely say." Your wife better be hot because I'm showing up on your doorstep tomorrow. Tell her to pack her lingerie.

FF beat GW... sorry I missed how this was relevant to the discussion of innovation. I'd classify GW as an MMO, not an MMORPG. Over the existence of the genre I would agree that FF (Final Fantasy, right? But is FF an MMO?) is unmatched, but as for recent innovations I still feel GW is top innovator.

Walking is a problem for me in games. After living through the pre-mounts and pre-vehicles era of SWG I think anybody can understand why. Mounts, soul-stones, and griffons were all addons attempting to amend what blizzard obviously viewed as an imbalance also. Fighting your way through a zone the first time is one thing. Even having to fight your way back if the zone has been retaken by hostiles or having random encounters as you map across zones is another, both entirely different from having to hack and slash your way across a zone each and every time you visit a locality. WoW as it now is, has improved in this regard, as you pointed out. But it still is not as to my liking as map travel in GW is.

nice to hear they've implemented a mechanism to prevent level 70s from power leveling level 5s, but I think you exaggerated deliberately in an attempt to put WoW in a good light. A 15th level grouping with a 5th level is still power-leveling. And yes there's power leveling and twinking in GWs too. Your evaluation of the "Skilllessness" of GW is exaggerated too. By mechanism GW and WoW don't differ as far as how activating the use of one's skills goes, so your 1234 comments bear little value. Interesting that you exclude monks from the rest. Was that because my ID on the thread says I play a monk? BTW I also have a highly accomplished warrior and elementalist and I have to disagree with your evaluation completely. If you want to prove your point to me then change your skill screen in GW so that you only see the pictures instead of the skill names and then sort them in some way that you're not used to seeing, randomly pic any 8 skills to fill your skill bar, do the same for any heroes in your group and the randomly complete your party without selecting any particular henchmen on purpose. Then use that team to complete the 3 fire island chain quests in prophecies, bonuses and all. Now do the same thing over only this time purposefully select each of your skills and your heros skills and carefully choose which henchmen to round out your group. If you complete those 3 missions and bonuses in the same amount of time regardless of which skills are in your skill bar, then I will concede your "Skillless" point.

Tell that to the group of 20th level idiots my 12th level mesmer grouped with the other night... I out-survived them all and then forced them to either bail from the mission or wait for the next 1/2 hour while I successfully soloed it to completion.

not sure what your point was here... but I can identify. I don't think any of the guilds we started with originally still exist. But this begins a whole different discussion about when it becomes worth it to solo rather than participate in a guild. I've been a loner in GW for a while now and that’s how I prefer it. I can't have a guild putting requirement on my gaming time to play a certain build or make a certain character or be here or there for this particular guild raid at thus and such a time. That's a recipe for either my wife or my guildmates ending up pissed.

/places lips on peace-pipe

I'd say a standard amount of gametime under your belt, I'd say at least to 60. Again, it's not fair how you're judging/evaluating WoW based on such a small portion of the game. Is it fair for me to say "I find the gameplay in Guild Wars highly lackluster" when I'm level 6 and still in Pre-searing?

I have played over 1k hours of GW (I know not alot by some people's standards on this board but enough to have a decent opinion) and have recently started playing WoW a the behest of most of my friends. I currently have a level 41 druid in WoW with I'm guessing about 150 hrs of game time so enough to have an educated opinion on the game I would think.

I don't have time to read the entire thread but in my opinion they both have their good qualities and weaknesses and in the end are both very good games. If you like a RPG storyline where you are working toward a certain end, GW is superior IMO. If you like a game that more mimics a role playing second life, WoW is probably a little stronger due to the open world, professions, etc. Personally I enjoy both and don't see why one has to be considered better than the other. Everyone likes different things in a game and that is why there are so many on the market. I guess my point is no one can tell you whether you will like a game, you should just try it yourself and decide for yourself.

Funny thing is? I was and i still am a big fan of Warcraft 3 and teh graphics... It has that cartoony style, but the graphics looks more... "realistic"? does that make sense?

As if the WoW graphics went too far the cartoony way

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...It might've been too hard to tell since most of the time you saw them from quite a ways away. In WoW, you're seeing them up close, etc. But I know where you're coming from.

Illidan doesn't look terribly cartoony to me, though...Reminds me a bit of Legend.

yes. I think that's perfectly legit. I immediately understand how much of the game you've seen and your opinion of it.

BTW you missed the point of my question. One guy on this thread said he did nothing more than look at WoW and knew he'd never play it. So are you gonna hound him and attempt to revoke his right to an opinion too?

So you're inadvertently dissmissive, alledging that my demographic is no more than 100 or so people. How glib.

9 million? Is this double counting the original and the can't-play-it-without-the-original expansion? At least GW counts its numbers the way the do due to the fact that their expansions are stand alones. Where does 9 million come from. Haven't ever heard that figure before. Why not 10? Do I hear 12?

Had to comment here because in my personal experience, ANET does a very poor job of taking care of its players, and their real concerns and seems to more do what they want and give people just that little bit to string them along a bit more... They've made some very poor choices that have led to some bad outcomes in the game and they "band-aid" it and move on instead of dealing with the problem. Ill use the example of PvP cause thats a large chunk of the game thats been ignored for a loooooong time now. PvP has been garbage for about a year now, little things were bad before but its snowballed into some serious problems and they ANET added some changes and pretty much any decent PvPer will tell you that almost all facets of PvP need skill balances or mechanic changes and theyre all very intelligently spelled out in the forums (some multiple times) and yet no word from the PR or anyone at anet, infact some of the things theyve done have made the already existing problems WORSE... also trading/selling in this game has been a tedious tiresome detestible thing since the games inception and everyone eveywhere has wanted a better way to do so, instead nothing, or a "band-aid" like PS window that only seems better cause the alternative is like hot pokers in your eyes.

Well what I was trying to express is that the difference is only visual, and the game itself is what should really be important, not the looks. I still get the Movie watchig experience from my DVDs, theyre not suddenly bad cause its not the best visual quality in the world. And seriously if you were pounding on your ol' Commadore or Kalieco Vision back in the day WoW should still be impressive.

Well ok since I just started playing WoW myself for 2 weeks now. I had never played it before ever. I have a lvl 31 character and a lvl 24 character. I didnt just blast through things and grind my way there as fast as possible, although second time through its only taken 5 days to get that character to lvl 24 now that im not a total noob. I like a good RPG so ill do everything I can. I did the quests(looooots of quests), read the story, picked up the little books you find along the way and read the back story. I've killed monsters in the water on land, gone hunting for herbs/mineral/items scattered about the world, earned new skills/abilities, worked on my professions (i.e blacksmithing, mining, potion-making etc, indirect character development stuff), made money on the auction house, run low lvl instances for good items for my level, saved complete strangers out in the wild when they had a mob of monsters chasing them, and been murdered by bloodthirsty PvPers who like nothing more than to watch my corpse pop and sizzle.

Now I dont see where your "this game is crap" statement can really hold water. If you like GW PVE, then this stuff should be WAAAAAAY more interesting.

If you thought my analogy was bad... doesnt matter how you twist it though if you only spend 14 days on WoW and got to lvl 8 (reguardless of how many times) youre not fit to judge the game, and in fact id think you did something wrong, went to wrong higher lvl areas or didnt take/search for stuff, or read the objectives, to have done so little to that point in the game, and remade the characters so many times, with that much time.

Well all a game need to be classified as an MMO is have players who play it online hence "Massive Multi-player Online" but that doesnt say what type of game it is and GW is undoubtedly an RPG, cant deny that at all... And ANET has done nothing really innovative with the RPG game except for balanced PvP in the begining (which is fubar now) and a free to play buisness model... and if game quality reflects the buisness model, it dissapoints me personally.

Ok then it will please you to know that the lvl 5 will get the same amount of exp as if he were with a lvl 70 is he was with a lvl 15 . I think the cut off is like 3-5 levels above you and that wont make a signifigant difference in WoW.

I've played GW since it was just a BETA. I have made and beat the game(s) with all character classes and only excluded monks because since their smite att got nerrfed all to uselessness they arent damage dealers at all, theyre stricly support protting or healing I didnt even notice that the thing next to your name said monk didnt even look honestly. So yeah areas in like the deep where theres massive party-wide degen would have to take that into consideration as the monk.

I have a hard time believing this unless youre were playing with a bunch of 8 year olds or whatever. and even then what no res sig?

Why would I? He's not saying how much the game sucks, the "flaws" of it, or how poorly designed it is. He said that he just didn't like the style of it, and I can't argue with that.

We dunno how much of each campaign has been sold, though. That's something I'd like to hear.

It comes from here: http://www.blizzard.com/press/070724.shtml

Unless you're asking where the subscribers are coming from, I think DreamRunner mentioned it somewhere earlier in this thread.

Aye... but being a tabletop gamer, I'm noticing similar things with warhammer Online aswell...

Looks great, but that damn cartoonyness still creeps in...

On another note though, i give kudos to blizzard for the complete sledgehammer tactic of marketting WoW as they have... hell, most Wow kiddies don't even know there are other MMO's because they were so light on numbers and Euro/American coverage before WoW

[QUOTE=Bryant Again]Yeah. It's a good thing, actually.

So you're just going to pick on that and miss my point? k I'll be a little more specific: I've never partied with the same RANDOM person twice.

Right. So, you don't really connect with more people around the world in International district. They're there more for people who know each other

Yes it is divided among it's outposts. And it's territories. And the U.S, Austrailia and New Zealand does not equal "the whole world".

As I said, that sucks that you haven't had that experience of grouping with someone else randomly and keep on playing together.

If that was case of people only going to international district, then thats only because of people's mindset like yours. Who's stopping people to go to international district to meet others?

/facepalm If the population is divided by its outposts, then WoW is divided again more so by its zones. Or by its towns and cities. But no, WoW's population of the server is not divided by zones because you are already connect to people on the server. Just like in GW, you are connect to people in the whole region. You can still whisper people in GW in the whole region, by you can whisper to other people in other servers in WoW.

No way! All gear means in WoW is time, time to be by playing more WoW than others, time to raid that takes ages. Time to collect materials which takes ages to get. I think this is why people call WoW a grind. Grind for experience, grind for materials, grind for items. It never ends. Someone who has top notch items means that person has played WoW more than others.

I'm in your thread - beating a dead horse.

Aight, cool. Gettin' somewhere.

My point was mostly about me never really bumping into/seeing them again. Sorry, I should've been more specific.

Then I guess many others have the same mindset since no one's in there ever.

See above.

No way. The number of GW's instanced areas and outposts is faaaar more than WoW's areas and dungeons. I don't see how you could think otherwise.

But you're able to connect moreso with the people in your server in WoW. In Guild Wars, you're only able to connect with people in outposts.

You'll still need to know wtf you're doing if you're going to progress through the game. I guess that's what I meant. The same can be said of Guild Wars, that it takes no skill, only experience - and that doesn't really mean it's a bad thing.

Edited cus I typed a dumb sentance.

this is really sad.. lets compare 2 games which are not similar

that article sucks, all they ppl interviewed are pve scrubs.
and according to that article the only reason ppl prefer GW over WOW is the price. it sounds like "Yeah, WoW is a better game, but it costs so much more so ppl play GW since they can't afford WoW".

WoW = 1/10 PvP, 4/10 PvE
GW = 10/10 PvP, 2/10 PvE

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Originally Posted by jackie I'm in your thread - beating a dead horse.

Yeah, I'd say that pretty much sums it all up.

That was your quote! What I say in my post doesn't start untill your 2nd reply, so lets start there.

No one is there? Then why do I see 5-10 people each time I go to Kaineng Centre? But more importantly do you honestly think by just connecting to the international district that you meet people overseas? Or just by GW?! They're are 3rd party forums, people who take other interests who are over the world.

Connect moreso? So, in GW you can connect to a WHOLE region of players but it's worse than a limited amount of a server? And then again, where do the majority of players meet in WoW? I say cities and towns. But no, you do not connect to people only by outposts, you got guilds, hell even GW has alliances to form a chain of guilds. People connect to each other via other means other than GW all the time and GW allows people who connect via other to play with each other with existing characters without resorting to the grind of leveling another whole character, grind to get more materials for that character and then you cant connect these characters EVER.

If you only took experience as to be "good" in Guild Wars, then you have a extremely high amount people who are good in Guild Wars PvP. But no, you dont have that at all. In fact to be good in Guild Wars PvP takes an a lot more than just "experience".

Oh. It sounded like you were agreeing with me.

I guess I was in the mindset for a moment that no one's in the international districts for missions, save for a few occasional exceptions. While most of the time there isn't more than three people in the city int. dists, at times there are a handful of people, and maybe even one or two that'll talk to you.

So the game doesn't connect you to people in the world? You have to resort to forums in order to meet people across seas and in other regions?

Sounds to me like you're saying it's the forums that connect people, not the game. That's different.

Yes it is worse, because you're not connected to a whole region, you're seperated by outposts.

LFG feature. Welcome to WoW 2.0.1.

Not everyone has a guild, not every guild has an alliance, nor are people in an alliance with guilds in different regions.

This is pretty confusing, and you should emphazise on and explain this, so I'll do it for you: In WoW, when you make a new character, it's pretty much like having a new account in Guild Wars. Your new character won't be in the same guild, have the same friends list, and people don't know it's you.

Regarding "not being able to ever connect to these characters", that's really up to the person making the character. They could just be like "hey guys, I'm going to go get my other guy, is name is Suchnsuch. Invite him, okay?" And if he doesn't want to do that, then maybe he just wants some privacy or alone time, or for other reasons.

First, I'm going to ask you to stop assuming so much about me. And secondly, I was talking about Guild Wars PvE. I've already stated this. If we're going to compare WoW PvE to Guild Wars PvP, then we both need to stop posting. Guild Wars PvE is not so different from WoW, so you're able to compare the two. The GW PvP, not so much. Too different to compare.

WoW vs GW vs FreeCell ... FreeCell has the sharpest graphics!

My point wasn't that you didn't have to resort to forums at all. The 3rd party forum was an example. My point was that when people do connect via other means, GW allows these people to meet up whether they are from the UK, U.S, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand. WoW does not.

So people do meet mostly in cities and towns, yes? For stuff like Auction houses, merchants, smithing, buying skills or whatever reason.

If we are not connected to a whole region, and only by outposts then how come I have the chance to connect to every player? Can I not whisper to another player either he is doing GvG, The Deep, Titans quest, TA, RA, AB, Abbadons Mouth mission.

I was in Kame who at the time was in a Japanese alliance. Kame is a guild in the U.S region. You could ask Unko or Mr Kisses who was the leader of Kame for a bit, if you doubt this.

And not everyone is in a guild in WoW but that is beside the point. The point is people more than often have a chance to join a guild, guilds have a chance to form an alliance to connect to more people. I am NOT saying at all that in GW you connect to more than WoW. I am emphasizing the point that you do NOT connect to people only in outposts.

Thanks, I was worried about it since I've explained about the same point over and over again and was afraid that people or you didn't catch on. The same point being that WoW's U.S population is broken up into 100+ servers. The same point that you have to create another character to connect to other people in different servers.

But wait, can you invite a person's character on the same account on a different server to a guild? I didn't think you could. Thats what I was pointing out.

Since when has WoW and GW PvE so different to any MMO? Nearly every online RPG has levels, quests, spells, attacks, magic, evil, good, races, classes. All the basics. But talking about connectivity with others which I've stated above.
But I wasn't assuming your experience of GW, if you took it like that. However, I was just pointing out that GW takes more than "experience". Which has been done, so i'll leave it there.

I'm done with this thread. I really don't feel like saying the same stuff over again, so yeah. Its been fun while its lasted though.

I'm putting these three posts together because I can ask the same question to each of them: How do you find these people in the first place? How do you meet these people in Europe? How do you find a guild? You have to connect through outposts FIRST before you can have this connectivity with your guild, alliance, etc.

Then there's the problem of having to find people for a mission/etc. when everyone in your guild is either busy or would rather not do it, but that's not the gist of what we're talking about.

People go into towns to do just that, go to ther merchant, skill traders, wherever. People don't go there to find people, i.e. if I'm looking for a group for a mission, I'll just use the LFG feature along with the channel and quest while I wait for a group.

There are people in the cities, yes. But they're not there to meet people, just to find skills. And if they bump into an interesting conversation or they meet a friend on the way, cool.

I will add that the trade channel in WoW is kinda cool, since you can talk to people from every city. That's some pretty cool connectivity there.

I'll re-word it, if it'll help: Not everyone has a guild, not everyone is in an alliance, and not everyone is in an alliance that has guilds from different regions. They are relatively uncommon, though, especially if you're a PvEr.

I've explained MY point, over and over again, that your connectivity to your region is limited by outposts, which it is. While yes, you can increase the amount of people you connect with in a guild or alliance, you're still greatly isolated from anyone else.

You didn't mention anything about creating a character on a different server. Why would you want to roll on a different server when you can have 10 characters per server? The only reason I can think of is if the person wanted some privacy, alone time, etc. There's nothing wrong with that.

I'm saying they're not. What I AM saying is that it's not terribly smart to compare WoW PvE to Guild Wars PvP, which is what you did.

For PvP? Sure, it takes some skill. Just like WoW's PvP. For PvE? Not so much. Both take the same amount of "skill", i.e. being able to know what's going to happen, be it patrol paths and whatnot.

This thread is done bashing its head against the wall.