Guildwars really do dominate WoW...

I am pretty sure A.net would LOVE to see GW get "owned" like that!

I'm not so sure - it isn't exactly "pro WoW".

If my opinion of the game wasn't already as low as possible, I'm pretty sure it would have dropped after that.

Your opinion would drop because of a South Park episode?

Just so you know more hours played doesn't mean more fun. Guild Wars really was designed for the casual market in particular, with hardcore stuff as frill. The optional hard mode is an example of the frills added for hardcore players.

WoW on the other hand is not designed for casual players so much, because right off the bat levels give you advantage no matter HOW you cut it. Levels being time spent ingame.

My o my, Zinger is back.

I would have to agree with Zinger on certain points, such as some bias in the article. WoW being easy to level doesn't make sense either.

Also the article predates Burning Crusade.

However I disagree with Zinger that each match in PvP is not different. Even if people run cookiecutters, there are DIFFERENT cookiecutters. Surprise surprise!

It IS skill over time spent if you straight up buy PvP unlock packs, to be honest with you. Sure you might need to master weapon swaps and other minor points, but ultimately it comes down to the grasp of the game.

I think the article concentrates too much on the monthly fee factor.

Zinger's counterpoll exposes some of the same counterarguments like " It was rated so low only by people who are too young/poor to afford the SUPER DUPER EXPENSIVE 15$/mo" ; "and the people that though 15 bux was expensive. rofl" ; "its the little kids who couldn't get a hold of mommy and daddy's wallets, what do you expect?"; "Welcome to the world of MMO's, mother @@%%er. Any good MMO has a monthly fee at around 15 bucks a month"; " All of those people who responded to that poll are clearly Guild Wars fanboys who, if they weren't cheap asses and forked over the $15 a month would be saying how much GW sucks compared to WoW. ".

A lot of posters did express the fact that Guild Wars is NOT meant for prolonged play time after finishing campaign. Which is rather true, when you consider it is episodic in nature. From Zinger's WoW forum thread: "After doing all the missions, being on a high ranked PvP guild, and doing that on multiple chars, it gets really boring."

You have to really think about the market that GW appeals to. The aren't appealing to people with 40 hours a week to play the game.

Sousui stated: "The lack of a fee also means essentially, the game can be forgotten and then come back to. no need to worry about spending money while not playing." That's exactly the business model of the game. DUH?

If you're going by playerbase, the statistic is really skewed by Asian players who LIKE GRINDING. Most Asian made games focus on grinding to high levels in the hundreds. To them that is "content". The regional demographic of WoW is mostly in Asia, believe it or not.

In the end however, you cannot downplay monthly fees. Call people cheap or whatnot, but the sheer amount of WoW private servers signifies the unfriendliness the monthly fees are to players that just want to have fun and log on once in a while. The incentive for GW private servers is extremely low, which means you have a significant REAL playerbase.

Guild Wars has sold that many copies. Copies don't mean players. This has to be emphasized more.

I advise you look up "satire" in the dictionary. That episode was actually advertised on the official WoW website, and was incredibly popular.

Fanboyism is annoying. End of Story.

Ermm..how can you judge games you have not played?

I've played other MMO's during my 2 year stint 'playing' GW, most have been superior.

EVE is a great game but required too much time. Very few immature kids as well, due to the monthly fee and the steep learning curve.

WoW is a good game but required too much grind for me. It has it's problems but superior PvE and a decent fan base. (yes that means not everyone on WoW is a moron unlike what most people here think)

CoH/CoV were not for me, but had their charms.

I didn't say WoW is bad, I'm just believe that no game is worth paying monthly, I'd rather spend that money on something more important.

I thought that this was really cute anyway I prefer the GW graphics anyday.It would be a much better game if all the pve nerfs were gone but I understand why they do it.I am not talking skills here either.

GW = casual players

WoW (other pay per month) = hard core players

Its as simple as that. If you can't come up with $15 a month you have bigger problems then a video game in the first place. For most people that's not a big deal.

That is because the first few didn't understand the sarcasm. Sarcasm on the internet is about as clear as a brick wall unless you say that it is sarcasm.

About 8 million play WoW, and people are easily found to play with on just about any server. And if you weren't sure, just check the server load during peak hours to find one with a medium load.

That is also incorrect. I've seen people talk about WoW even when they were on 3 different servers. Just because you can't play with someone with an already established character, doesn't mean that they can't talk about the game.

The whole thing is a bunch of hooey anyway. When the last WoW reviewer gives WoW a zero and cites the low level cap (60, at the time) as one of the main reasons why he gives the nod to GW - there's something not right. And when WoW is rated either 10 or 0, with nothing in between, it just shows how completely biased those opinions are.

a little biased toward GW, but good read ty

LOL... now that was funny !

Keep in mind the reason they made fun of it was because of its success.

People should stop comparing WoW to GW imo. They are soooo totally different.
I'll do it myself:
GW is instanced, WoW is not
GW is free after purchase, WoW is not
GW rewards skill, WoW rewards time spent
GW is also for casual play, WoW is mostly for hardcore gamers, wouldn't wanna play a game casually that has that monthly price
GW has as much of updates as WoW, if not, more
GW has PvP which is (fairly, considering ppl whining over nerfs etc) balanced, WoW's PvP is <no comment>
WoW is a grind, in GW there is no need to grind to be part of the game (you don't need Obsidian Armor to defeat Abbadon)

I played WoW myself for some less than a month and I can see why people like it. I certainly don't. I don't like killing wolves til I'm lvl 2 and then killing bigger wolves til I'm lvl 3 and then even bigger wolves til I'm lvl 4 etc.

I say, start comparing WoW to GW2 when it comes out.

Not entirely. WoW has many instances. The outside world is persistent but that's it.

Again flawed. If you want to be competitive in pvp you MUST buy every chapter and future chapters

Half way true. GW rewards memorization and build making abilities not per say skill based.

Completely true

Completely false. WoW has way more updates than GW does. WoW players cry just as much for/against nerfs. Just go to the warlock forum. WoW's pvp is completely different than GW though with the new arena style pvp its getting closer.

There is a lot of grind in GW. If I had to start from scratch to unlock all my skills, mods, and everything else I've aquired I'd never return to GW.

This is why you are really qualified to compare the two? You obviously have little WoW experience by you own admission. Btw the game doesn't really start until after lvl 20. Everything up to then is more like a tutorial.

Agree.

8 Million play, but most are in Asia. "To hit the full 8.5 million, Blizzard counts 3.75 million in China, 1.6 million in Europe and additional few hundred thousand in South Korea, Australia and Asia."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...s-Magic-Number

Free to play MMOs like Cyworld, Maple Story, and Granado espada (renamed Sword of the New World for North America and Europe) dominate in Asia though which is why it is odd that most of WoW's playerbase exists in Asia. On the casual side of things, games like Shot Online Albatross 18,War Rock, Voyage Century, Shot-Online, Myth War, Tales of Pirates, Global MU, Fishing Champ, and Kartrider surpass WoW by miles.

TO put it in perspective, "KartRider claims 160 million players, including one third of all South Koreans."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/103/12

If they read his post and read the article, its pretty clear he is being sarcastic. But I think a few just wanted to bash him. So yeah, its not the OP(Zinger) or the internet fault if they didn't catch on. GG player base.

Wait 8 million? The Escapist actually wrote an article on about WoW population number. Maybe you should go read that.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/

Even still, what about the servers that have a low population? Oh wait, if someone wants to go to another server, they have to start another character again! But I can't believe people have to level 3 characters on 3 different servers just to play with someone else? My god, WoW isn't very group friendly at all. Just shows how Blizzard wants people to consistently grind the level over and over again.

Gee...I wonder why! Considering WoW has been out a lot longer than GW.

LOL! So true, he was also cool before he started messing with his nose >_>