WoW:Lich King...Looks just like GW:EN?
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Droniac
You're forgetting about Massive Entertainment. If anything their Ground Control games laid the framework for games like Dawn of War - and they were also thoroughly well-executed and well-received games.
For one - Ground Control didn't lay anything for Dawn of War. It was large scale fixed 'resource' games, no bases or building mid game. Dawn of War was a traditional base building style RTS but shook up a lot of the key mechanics, like forcing players out to fight and units that can fight in melee and use guns. Similarly, GC2 didn't do anything for Dawn of War considering they were being developed at roughly the same time (I remember in closed DoW beta having discussions with other testers about what the GC2 beta did different to DoW).
However, I wish Dawn of War followed Ground Controls method. Don't get me wrong, I love the game to death, being a 13+ year 40k vet, but a fixed resource system with no mid game building would have suited the universe so much better. I can't comment on Battle Realms or World in Conflict since I haven't had the time to try either. I guess a better statement would have been "They seem to be the only developer whose games I've played that manage to make a 'different' style RTS and make it work.".
However, I wish Dawn of War followed Ground Controls method. Don't get me wrong, I love the game to death, being a 13+ year 40k vet, but a fixed resource system with no mid game building would have suited the universe so much better. I can't comment on Battle Realms or World in Conflict since I haven't had the time to try either. I guess a better statement would have been "They seem to be the only developer whose games I've played that manage to make a 'different' style RTS and make it work.".
Droniac
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
However, I wish Dawn of War followed Ground Controls method. Don't get me wrong, I love the game to death, being a 13+ year 40k vet, but a fixed resource system with no mid game building would have suited the universe so much better.
The focal point of Dawn of War gameplay being the capturing of control points, exactly like Ground Control, is how it laid the groundwork imo. The games might not be very similar across the board, but in that respect they do play alike. That said - I too would've like for the Dawn of War games to be more like the Ground Control series: no base building or resource management would've been great.
Also: units that could fight in melee AND ranged is something that Battle Realms introduced (although there might have been earlier games, I don't know) even prior to the announcement of Dawn of War, likewise with forcing players to go out and fight: both Battle Realms and Ground Control did that too.
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Droniac
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Also: units that could fight in melee AND ranged is something that Battle Realms introduced (although there might have been earlier games, I don't know) even prior to the announcement of Dawn of War, likewise with forcing players to go out and fight: both Battle Realms and Ground Control did that too.
As I said in my edit - I never got to play Battle Realms. Ground Control forcing players out to fight was very different as well - you were forced to go out and fight because there were no resources. If neither player went out to fight, it would have been a very dull battle.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by kradens
im not talking about the quality of free games vs p2p.
im just saying in ONE aspect, wow loses to gw, and that aspect is that gw is f2p whilst wow is p2p.
come on. u cant twist that. @_@
I'd consider Gw's f2p a win if they had GMs. But they don't, so I say it's 50-50.
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I take it that was meant to be a joke? Even the most dedicated WoW fans I know (which would be quite a few, I've played the game for a while after all) would readily admit that WoW is unbalanced beyond repair. The method Blizzard utilizes to 'balance' WoW is beyond a shadow of a doubt the worst I (or my WoW-playing/loving friends for that matter) have ever seen.
I think Shamans and Hunters could use a little work. Aside from that, WoW isn't terribly unbalanced. And again, I hope you don't look at the forums. It's full of 99% QQing, with the other 1% rick-rolls.
jesh
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Originally Posted by Mr.Deflok
Yeah, while we're on this "WoW ripped off GW" business I'd like to point out some other franchises which have ripped off Guild Wars.
-Lord of the Rings
-The Matrix
-Harry Potter
-Lion King
-Tron
All of the guys behind those franchises need to fess up with some royalties to ANet fast otherwise they're going to facing massive lawsuits.
Oh, and don't even get me started on the Cinderella/Nightfall parallels, god! Makes me sooooo mad! You win the award for best post ever. I've stayed up all night and couldn't breathe for a couple minutes after reading this. xD
-Lord of the Rings
-The Matrix
-Harry Potter
-Lion King
-Tron
All of the guys behind those franchises need to fess up with some royalties to ANet fast otherwise they're going to facing massive lawsuits.
Oh, and don't even get me started on the Cinderella/Nightfall parallels, god! Makes me sooooo mad! You win the award for best post ever. I've stayed up all night and couldn't breathe for a couple minutes after reading this. xD
Horseman Of War
dont give lich fling so much credit... aside from the B-Budget narrative, that preview wasnt worth my time.
But yeah, why is snow so POP in mmo's right now/???
But yeah, why is snow so POP in mmo's right now/???
Tuesg
Why on earth does this even deserve an argument?
Fantasy is fantasy, when both games are taking there ideas from the same genre of course there going to be pretty similar.
I'm not going to pretend I like WoW I played it and never did get in to it but the new expansion is bring it to its logical conclusion a fight with the lich king, Arthas who was created at the end of warcraft 3.
GW:EN also seems to be bring guild wars to its logical conclusion, don't quote me on that however due to the fact we still don't no all the story details.
Yes both games are every similar but its the same with most fantasy games. No one is stealing from anybody here they just started out with the same basic base and built upon it.
Fantasy is fantasy, when both games are taking there ideas from the same genre of course there going to be pretty similar.
I'm not going to pretend I like WoW I played it and never did get in to it but the new expansion is bring it to its logical conclusion a fight with the lich king, Arthas who was created at the end of warcraft 3.
GW:EN also seems to be bring guild wars to its logical conclusion, don't quote me on that however due to the fact we still don't no all the story details.
Yes both games are every similar but its the same with most fantasy games. No one is stealing from anybody here they just started out with the same basic base and built upon it.
MrFuzzles
fact: Tolkien stole the concept of orcs and magic from WoW. All rpg's are a ripoff of WoW if they have things like xp, levels, and swords.
Lineage 2 did the "inscriptions" thing a while ago btw. A couple of expansions ago, they added the ability to "over-enchant" your skills. You could give your stun attack more damage, more chance of stun, less energy use, and so on. There was no limit on how many times you could enchant it, but there was a certain chance it would fail, and it would get reset back to +0 if it did.
Lineage 2 did the "inscriptions" thing a while ago btw. A couple of expansions ago, they added the ability to "over-enchant" your skills. You could give your stun attack more damage, more chance of stun, less energy use, and so on. There was no limit on how many times you could enchant it, but there was a certain chance it would fail, and it would get reset back to +0 if it did.
visitor
Well the only thing that reminded me of GW was this
"The final darkness falls."
GWNF anyone?
"The final darkness falls."
GWNF anyone?
tyche7
Meh....I'm a GW fan true and blue. WoW can fondle my....
blue.rellik
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A) The first Death Knight was Arthas Menetil, after having found
the Frostmourne. Not a W/N. No he wasn't. Deaths Knights were in Warcraft II
the Frostmourne. Not a W/N. No he wasn't. Deaths Knights were in Warcraft II
Mr.Deflok
There was an article which referenced this business here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10184578
Zexion
Not particularly. GWEN will not only focus on the far shiverpeaks, but also the Depths of Tyria. Besides, Northrend is not merely any arctic region. It is more like norway. Temperate forests to the south, cold snowy regions to the north. And also some tundra, but I am not sure if Norway has that.
_Zexion
_Zexion
ibex333
@OP
How do you know that Anet was 1st to think of these things? The burning forest... The hairstyles... You asume that just because Anet released the video 1st? That proves nothing.
They could have hacked into Blizzards systems.. They could have a guy on the inside, it could have been leaked in various ways.
One thing is clear. Whoever it is - Anet or Blizz, it's clear someone stole ideas from someone. That is a disgusting and shameless tactic, and it must stop.
How do you know that Anet was 1st to think of these things? The burning forest... The hairstyles... You asume that just because Anet released the video 1st? That proves nothing.
They could have hacked into Blizzards systems.. They could have a guy on the inside, it could have been leaked in various ways.
One thing is clear. Whoever it is - Anet or Blizz, it's clear someone stole ideas from someone. That is a disgusting and shameless tactic, and it must stop.
Mr.Deflok
Really, it's clear? How? Burning forests aren't a new idea. Were the area with the floating rocks shown in both vids then there'd be a justifiable cause for concern.
Snow Bunny
Intellectual property leasing? No! Omg No! That doesn't happen, ever!
It's not like GW or WoW are original. Both are carbon copy manifestations off the collective imagination of nerds and fantasy fans for the past 2000 years.
It's not like GW or WoW are original. Both are carbon copy manifestations off the collective imagination of nerds and fantasy fans for the past 2000 years.
bamm bamm bamm
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Really? Sounded like you were bashing WoW:|
Originally Posted by ibex333
One thing is clear. Whoever it is - Anet or Blizz, it's clear someone stole ideas from someone. That is a disgusting and shameless tactic, and it must stop.
I'm with you, man. This so-called 'Izzy' must be stopped at all costs. I'm going to write a letter to Batman. He'll know what to do.
ibex333
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Originally Posted by bamm bamm bamm
I'm with you, man. This so-called 'Izzy' must be stopped at all costs. I'm going to write a letter to Batman. He'll know what to do. Oh give me a break man.... Do you have nothing better to do than quote my every word? Even if I didn't say it correctly, you know what I meant. The "hacking" sentence was stupid of me to say, but you know my main idea.
WarKaster
why did i just read 5 pages of this....pardon me while i go shove a hot poker in my eyes to ease the bleeding.....I have played both didn't care much for WoW so I played GW it fit my what i was looking for so this is I play..WoW and GW are two completely different games....while they have some similarities so does every single RPG ever made..... Please stop comparing them its getting old...
Lamoidz
No seriously guys, Mass effect AND dragon age? Bioware Ftw.
Bryant Again
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No seriously guys, Mass effect AND dragon age? Bioware Ftw.
I concur times twelve billion.AND they're making an MMO, from what I hear. Brace yo' selves!
Bryant Again
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But yeah, why is snow so POP in mmo's right now/???
I actually predict that factions or opposing sides are going to be the popular thing in games coming around.
Example: WoW introduced two new factions, Aldor and Scryer; Oblivion: The Shivering Isles had the house of Dementia and the house of Mania; and GW:EN's gonna be introducing more factions you can work for, not to mention the factions in Factions (lol). Just my 2 cents.
Craywulf
Ever notice how there are a bunch of movies released in same month or so that all have similar themes? These movie studios have spies or the friendlier term would be 'ex-employees' from other studios. So theres bound to be similar ideas whether they're deliberate or coincidence. Sometimes these ideas make rounds with the industry parties and business conventions. So some these ideas become trends and studios race to get their movies out first to get first dibs on being the first with its customers. In some cases movies come up with new ideas first but end up being released later than their competitors, and it happens all the time.
So the notion of two gaming companies like ArenaNet and Blizzard sharing themes and ideas is very normal thing when it comes to selling entertainment. There's bound to be ex-employees from both sides. Besides that the Gaming industry is huge, yet it has its own community with the game makers so they are bound to run into each other at Conventions and talk shop. No crime has been committed here if they both are using the same ideas, its up to customer to determine which studio executed the shared ideas appealing to you. Will you like Blizzard's Northerland or ArenaNet's or How about the burning forest, which looks cooler and enhanced your experience. Did it help the game or hurt it? The argument of who stole who's ideas is moot if both studios manages to make those ideas look like crap. Its all about executing the trends and striking a cord with its potential customers. Looking at both videos I can say WoW has made some serious strides graphically and despite the shared themes and ideas I like the direction this expansion of WoW is going. However I'm a diehard GW'er and have too much invested in Guild Wars and I think I'll be very happy with Eye of the North. DarkNecrid
The only people who think Lich King looks exactly like EOTN are the dummies who dont realize there was a Warcraft RTS series that has detailed Northrend LONG AGO much before EOTN was every thought of.
But oh noez, THEY BOTH HAVE SNOWEY PLACES COPYCATS XDDD
Matfei
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Hey, finally a chance to post my tinfoilish expansion pack theory, that there will most likely be an expansion pack that introduces a snowy/wintery area. Let's make a list of games that've had a "snowy" expansion:
Diablo 2 - Lord of Destruction expansion Starcraft - Brood War expansion Warhammer 40k - Winter Assault expansion Morrowind - Bloodmoon expansion Neverwinter Nights - Shadows of Undretide Fable: The Lost Chapters ZOMG! Northerend was created in Warcraft III, which came far before Guild Wars. Nice miss. Aha, but Northrend isn't featured in GW, so both your points are moot. matti90
This thread has to be closed before people become more stupid from reading it.
kradens
After much reading on the whole "gwen vs lich king" debate. i think i've come to the definitive answer about who's doing what, and are both games really simmilar (if at all).
firstly gwen: an expansion that gives our current characters NEW things to do, featurig NEW and exiting well designed areas (and this is just from screen shots), with new gameplay elements (dungeons and zelda-esque exploring), with NEW pvp legal balanced skills and NEW pve-skills to reward pve-ers. its all win win with gwen. lich king on the other hand. Blizzcon practically permeated the slogan "MORE MORE MORE!", (ie. armors, dungeons, items, and levels), yet the response im reading from the wow comminity is more like a tired "more...more...oh god no more!". lich king is an expansion that makes all other content in the game obsolete, no recognition for anything u've previously done, all ur endgame items and ultra rare's become useless to what rat monsters will drop in the first area of the expansion.....the game feels like a major downer. gwen on the other hand is doing things to make ur time in guild wars feel special and worth something, (via hall of monuments), its not making older parts of the game obsolete. the major differance to me between gwen and lich_king is that anet understand that time spent = emotional investment, wheareas blizzard just keep pumping out more of the same content at higher levels, which creates a negative feeling for those who have really put in their time (and money) into the game to become "elite" - as every expansion puts them back to square one again.
Bryant Again
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Aha, but Northrend isn't featured in GW, so both your points are moot.
...What? What points? The first part of that very old post is me having fun with my winter-expansion theory. The second part of my post, where Oreo says "BLIZZ STOLE FROM GW", was my telling about how Northerend had been in WoW lore for awhile, so no Blizz didn't steal from ANet.
=HT=Ingram
Still if you take the audio track from the lich king expansion and over lay it with some gamep play video cuts of GW:EN. guess what? Its almost seemless...
Like "the Internet is really really great, for .... " fan videos... Can't wait for someone to do it. It would be so funny to see it done, cause I really love the last few lines in the lich king video... and lets face it, WoW looks and saw GW doing their first expansion and decided to one up them by releasing their 2nd expansion quicker then anticipated, so they would not be called the copy cats... Quote:
In the end, all that awaits you is Death! |
Only then, Will you understand. You've been following in my footsteps all along. So Come then you Heroes. Come, In all your Power and Glory. For in the final hour, All must serve, The ONE, TRUE, KING!!! Sure sounds like Blizzard trying to taunt Arenanet to me. lol
pamelf
Who cares if they're similar? Most games are... People generally choose which games they want to play. My choice was based simply on the fact that I've always hated Warcraft graphics. Every thing's so damn chunky and square...
While they're similar, they are still completely different games that appeal to different people. That isn't going to change just because an expansion looks similar.
Mordakai
"Wrath of the Lich King"?!?
Sorry, but that title is lame. Hell, just call it "Northend." How do WoW players abbreviate it anyway? WotLK? WoW:WLK? Anyway, cool movie, I must admit. Death Knight sounds like a cool class. Too bad I neither have the time nor inclination to get into another MMORPG, nevermind one that costs money each month... reverse_oreo
Wow i havent checked this thread since i posted it. Anyways, all i was saying was that the two trailers looked the same. Most of you people who just wanted to bash me did not understand my post.
Bryant Again
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