How to drive away hard core collectors in pve

Hi. well recently with the inscritipon on all old armor update, i became scared. i mean, what if anet decides to do this to weapons? i know that some people may want all weapons to be inscriptable but there is also a large number of people who go around collecting specifically tyrian weaponsn becuase they are harder to get a 15>50 version. what would alot of u feel about it?

/yawn

been posted before....generally people dont give a rats ass unless they own teh uber leet sword - that they would never sell anyway...so if they would never sell it anyway...why does it matter

Personally I have lots of perfect Tyrian weapons, I would not mind if all weapons in GW were turned into inscriptable. The way I see it, there is no difference between a max dmg perfect Tyrian weapon with a max dmg perfect inscriptable weapon. Both will do the same amount of dmg if there stats are the same.

think for a moment.

those 100 K plus x extos purchases are as rare as the item as are the people willing to pay a million gold for an item

they represent an extremely tiny fragment of a single percent of the GW population (no matter how loud they are on forums) that they could all leave and not move NCsofts bottom line a thousandth of a per cent.

on the other hand there is a huge per cent of the population that would be very happy if Anet did this.

you do the math and it seems that the question is really WHEN they do it not IF they will do it.

Iono though the small percentage of players are also the ones who typically farm like crazy and buy like 20 character slots, doing eveerything to max out their account. i personally only have liek 2 tyrian perfect weapons, nothing to compare to the uber rich but those make me feel super proud of them nonetheless. iono i guess it the majority of players want this it would happen.

Leave Tyrian items as they are. There is plenty of inscription based crap for the poor people.

As I prefer to find / craft all my equipment myself, I am looking forward to the day that I might be able to tweak my perfect tyrian weapons which are too good to part with but still not quite what I want them to be. I couldn't care less about the devaluing of super rare things. With loot scaling and the dump in price my modest stack of ectos has taken, this could only help to remove the demand for gold sellers and bots.

mindsets like that are exactly why i will cheer when a ton more gold gets squeezed out of the economy.

I wouldn't mind. It would make stuff easier to afford for the majority of players.

Seconded... and its ideas and implementations like Inscribed weapons and weapon mod traders (when they happen) that will balance out the economy...

bring back the idea of everyone having equal opportunity to get anything in the game, not just the 25 hour a day farmers

Agree 100%.

I always find it exciting when I get the very very very very occasional perfect Tyrian item. A lot of people would be disappointed in this.

Did you ever think that some people actually enjoy farming or anything a long those lines? It sounds to me if they have to farm "25 hours a day" to actually get this weapon, that it's pretty equal and fair. Why? Because they have to farm for so long before they finally get it. Just because you may not find this aspect of the game fun does not mean A-Net should ruin it for others. The rare weapons are a nice reward because some people do actually like to grind for items and XP and whatever else. I myself enjoy chest farming and trust me out of all the chests I've farmed, I RARELY get something that will net me 10k, let alone 100k+. But when I do get that, it's a great feeling so I can continue on.

I see plenty of tyrian skins being offered in nf. But i havent seen things like dragon scythes or anything like that.I would love being able to get factions weps with inscriptions.I think people wanting this outweigh the people who dont.

Like wut someone said earlier, dmg from a tyrian and a inscirptable is the same right? then jsut leave it as is. some ppl dont like that extra line of text. i mean the ppl who work hard for that rare tyrian item deserve it. if ppl just like the skin, go ahead and buy an inscriptable version. theres a inscriptable version of EVERY single item in the game b/c hoh drops every single skin of wepaon. u dont need to ruin the current tyrian ones.

just make everything goddamn inscribable already. Inscriptions are so vastly superior to the old system that I don't know why they didn't do it upon Nightfall's release...

Well i can see why some people might get pissed if all weapons became inscriptable, since they paid alot because they aren't inscriptable.

Personally, i don't really care.

Text in bold.

Agreed.

Tyrian items are so rediculously cheap right now. And I should know better than most people as out of the hundreds of gold items I own they are all Tyrian and have all lost alot of their value pre-inscriptions.

The whole, "We need inscriptable Tyrian items because they are too expensive", argument is pretty much void considering Tyrian items arnt worth anything now.

It would be awefully kind of Anet to update all the Tyrian items to inscriptions and ruin thousands of players worth of items.

I have said this all along. Why on earth would non-hardcore / casual / lazy / poor etc players want low req items which cost more gold than their high req counterparts when virtually all builds require high amounts of attribute points.

Warriors dont need a R8 / R9 Gold 15>50 Fellblade which costs alot more than a R12 version.

Heck even the difference between 14>50 and 15>50 is virtually non-existant. People merchant most 14>50 weapons now due to them not being worth anything.

If you like Tyrian weapons there is nothing wrong with 14>50 or high req versions for the above mentioned players.

When I was a casual player I used non-max stuff all the time. Even to this day noone ever asks or cares about the stats of my weapons or items in a PVE group. If you want nice items in PVP I believe you can unlock like a load of the PVE skins now or something.

Alot of people here seem to hate anyone who is richer than them. Seems like real life really. People hating on the wealthy purely because they have done well for themselves.

There are better and less unfair / destructive methods of introducing Tyrian inscriptable items. Such as: -

Make 95% of Tyrian item drops inscriptable and the other 5% non-inscriptable.

Or.

Leave current Tyrian items non-inscriptable and make future drops inscriptable.

But obviously people will complain about those ideas because it will drive the price of non-inscriptable items up and rich people are ftl...


O and why dont people start whining about other expensive things. FOW armour, mini pets, titles etc.???

I absolutely love the ignorance of some people here. The wealthiest players in the game (who did not purchase gold) certainly did not farm 25 hours a day. A few / couple of hours a day is all that was needed if you had the itelligence to do it. Heck, farming at all is one of the least productive ways of making gold.

The economy is far from inbalanced. It is the most balanced it has been.

Im no psychic but I see this thread descending into a Rich vs Poor / Haves vs Have Nots flame fest and being closed.

Edit:
Totally forgot Canthan items are non-inscriptable so I am talking about them too.

Also HoH allows for every item in the game to drop as inscriptable.

just make it so any item can drop either way, and all items already dropped remain unchanged. huzzah, everyone can be happy.

I was tempted to post similar to what Herb posted, but considering the amount of times I've posted in such threads it's pointless.

Some people only see in black and white, there is so much more in between.

[QUOTE]i did not know that you could change the req by way of inscription

not at all

i dont care at all honestly but i do resent a total asshat mindset.

one of the best examples posted here a while ago was the person who actually posted that poor people cant be scammed because they dont have enough gold to lose

or malices there is plenty of cheap crap for the poor people.

let them eat cake?

there is a big difference between having a lot and being proud of it (strut your stuff fine by me) compared to deliberately going out of your way to rub peoples noses in it

Not to intrude on your little debate here...but some stuff from Tyria / Cantha cannot be made with inscriptions, -2/-2 shields for example.

Regardless, they wouldn't make it retroactive. I really doubt they can even implement retroactive changes to non unique/collector items since I have a staff from factions that didn't get the Halves recharge Chance:20% on all spells. It is still 10% on all spells.

Yippi another useless "Haves" Vs "Have Nots" thread. Where certain people are free to demonstrate their holier-than-thou attitudes by bad mouthing anyone who actually collects rare items.

All I will say is;
I'd like to know what study you have based your, clearly fictitious, numbers on.

[QUOTE=Loviatar]I dont actually know why I typed that. Most probs due to the lack of sleep I have had over the last 3 days.

Lovitar knows everything, didn't you know..?

Let's see some proof of these numbers..

Its gonna get changed to inscriptions.

Anet favors the casual player.

You need to deal with it as an inevitability.

Frankly....

I wish Anet would add NON-INSCRIBABLE versions of everything (under stipulation that Non-inscribable weapons fall with ONLY perfect mods) as well as inscribable versions.

The collectibility would actually get better (more items to collect and rarity increases) but at the same time, theres always cheaper alternatives.

This. I see no reason to not give out inscriptions so you can feel better than everyone else. It shouldn't be about having a bunch of crap that other people can't get (away from me peasants!), it should be about having a pretty PvE dress-up barbie with what you want. Yes, it's nice that some things take more effort than others, but nearly every tyrian/canthan drop is useless with the current system.

Hmmm if Tyrian/Canthan weapons are going to get incriptions... Then we'll have another problem:

Req 8 weapons with inscriptions.

As far as I know, req 8 on a weapon with inscriptions is about as rare as a req 7 max dmg weapon in Tyria/Cantha - They drop as good as never.

If they choose to make all mods become inscriptions, some weapons will be req 8, and therefore very valueable. Unless Tyria and Cantha keeps dropping req 8 weapons, which I doupt, cause then Elona would have a disadvantage.

And somehow I don't think alot of people like A-Net messing with their valueable items. Look how people were against the altering of their HoD Swords, that Green item with 10/10 which became 20/20 (forgot what it was), Crimson Carpace Shield, etc.

Except this time it doesn't hit a few people, it hits as good as all people. The question is if A-Net can take even more complaining ^^;

1. 14>50 is not useless and is alot cheaper than 15>50

2. If people want to play "dress up Barbie" then the weapon being for example 14>50 and not 15>50 does not matter. Heck if you are purely concerned about image and not stats the item skin would be ideal regardless of stats.

3. If you are poor / lazy / stupid / casual player etc. then you can get virtually every skinned item for very little gold with a high req or 1% off perfect inherent damage modifier. (I mention req as people are whining about prices).

clearly a guess but lets ask you and herb for your guess as well and maybe we can average all 3 guesses.

what fraction of a per cent of the player base do either of you consider to be able to purchase items on the million+ gold level?

my guess is not more than a few thousand out of the player base can spend on that scale

that is spend not a single budget busting i got it but it tapped me out one shot.

back to you with please forgive me on this no malice intended

It's Cantha that needs the inscription system the most (since most of the famous Tyrian weapons drop can be had from Elona already), to be honest...

[QUOTE]i also use a vamp 4 bowstring that dropped.

a little less than perfect fits my budget and my play fine

i have a literaly joke stat chrys sword i give my elemonk now and then to run around with for how funny it looks

More then a few thousand. It isn't hard to make a million.

This would be the way to go. When you have two very different groups with two very different agendas (cheap, good stuff vs. expensive, rare stuff), it's best to appeal to both. I say make every skin there is have both inscribable and un-inscribable versions that can drop anywhere (yes, even non-inscribable Elonian items).

It is possible to have your cake and eat it, too. The collectors can have their rare equipment, while everyone else gets their functional items with nice skins.

Although ya know lower than r9 inscribables are pretty rare. What's wrong with them vs. Tyrian/Canthan non-inscribables? Too rare? Not rare enough?

Agreed ArcMac, you cannot please everyone all the time.

The best we can do is make a compromise.

If you add noninscribable versions of everything it means you have a chance to get unusable crap when playing normally...

20% while hexed hammers anyone?

I laugh at this idea seeing there is such a divide on the issue. It's going to happen, just like the armor inscriptions; it's just a matter of time. Why do I think it will happen? Well some people E-Bay GW weapons and objects of desire for a rather hefty price and of course A-net certainly does not like that idea. Furthermore if it does happen what will be the general communities’ reaction? Anger and divide amongst each other, but give it a few weeks and everyone will be back they way they were.

What's your point? We already have a chance of getting unusable crap. Just make the chance to get a non-inscribable gold really rare, and up the chances to get inscribable golds. You won't notice any difference, problem solved.

Inscribable r8 items are nowhere even close to the rarity of perfect r7 non-inscribables. Add that to the fact that r8 inscribables are ALLWAYS perfect and any comparison between the 2 is absurd.


That I can easily agree to. Gives everyone what they want. (assuming I am understanding your suggestion correctly)



.

Yeah and?

Gold drops mean nothing now because of inscriptions. Granted, most people don't care, but some of us still do.

I'm so disappointed. I was expecting your post to say "Offer them free showers".

I personally, however, would love enforced inscriptions on all old weapons. Including the unconditionals--they need to be removed from the game anyway. :]

Another ignorant post..

Why do they need to be removed?? they don't effect you any way, shape or form.

Most unconditionals are on dead accounts anyway. I know of a few in active use, and the owners rarely play and none of them PvP a great deal (which is where the unconditional item really counts)

13% Longsword
13% Bow (Shortbow I think)
14% Great Axe
14% Hammer
15% Dwarvern <~Dead account

Herb has a list of them, and ones one himself I believe.