How to drive away hard core collectors in pve

The fact that inscribable items cannot reproduce many odd combinations is not a fault of the inscription system - it is a fault of the coders not allowing the inscription system to reproduce such results. I all but guarantee that will be resolved in time, when they get around to it.

Otherwise, the inscription system is far superior to random, locked-in stats any day of the week on any planes of existence. Even with certain combos being unattainable currently.

I didn't realize inscriptions altered the requirement and skin of weapons, nor the effort put in to acquire said weapons. Then again, what do I know?

Well firstly. I do not have to agree with an issue to argue FOR or AGAINST it.

My motivation for advocating the change is not to diminish player accomplishment, but to give existing players better choices.

If Anet had to choose between giving the majority of players useable items, or keeping the status quo for a small percentage of rich players, well...we'll see which they choose.


So I am chasing out players now for telling my opinions?

My opinion is as follows: Its going to be changed. Its inevitable.

Just as armors became insignia-ble, weapons will become inscribable in Tyria/Cantha.

Its Anet's choice, and i believe they will do exactly that.

Agree or disagree with me all you want. But that wont change the fact that if or when it gets change, it wont be because of ME.

shenanigans? I call ignorance.

Combos NOT Availible. read it. These combos CANNOT be replicated through pvp or NF INSCRIPTIONS. Sometimes overall armor is better then a +30. This helps my point because i'm saying Oofus has a good point.
Example :
You cannot make a req divine staff with a 20% healing prayers HCT on it with the new system.

Armors were a completely different case, their change didn't hurt anyone at all, but had lots of positive effects.
Here we got a case of rarity, vanity and collecting cool stuff. The masses already got Nightfall, where they can easily get loads of cheap streamlined "rares" ready to be made perfect. There are however quite a bunch of players who like hunting for, finding and collecting cool stuff which is actually rare, as opposite to those piles of mods slapped on a skin we got in NF.

Well...i got this very very nice r8 crystalline...with 20% whilst hexed. Please, make it inscriptable xD

It's bulls*** because of the insane rarity of such items. Anyone who's actually played the game knows that the items you two mention don't drop with any sort of frequency. In 2000 hours of play, I've gotten only one usable, noninscribable caster weapon from a drop. Your wonderful random system seems to prefer to produce healing prayers foci with 18% HCT water magic and +10 armor vs. charr.

Anyway, I'd probably avoid mentioning that items found in prophecies can be better than those available to PvP characters if I were you.

LOL Since when was icy blade ax rare? since when was 80k considered expensive? let me ask u if u wanna debate value, wut sells for more, a req 11 tyrian 15>%0 or inscirptable 15>50 crystalline?

there are lots of ppl out there who PRIZE their req 7 non-15>50 because req 7u is rare and is hard ot acquire. now think of how much harder it is to pull a tyrian req 7 15>50. are u really going to dminish their effort by ignoring it and putting inscreiptions? i can tell u that gw makes money off the ppl who are hardcore and buys EVERY signle thing they release. the casual gamers dont. if anet wants to make money, they wouldnt ignore the hardcore.

Yes. We can see that. You turn your coat whenever that pleases you. Talk about being hypocrite. The fact that you post in favour means that you agree to an issue. Tell me when did you try to be neutral in this whole matter?

Your view is narrowed by what you want instead of considering the effect of such a change.



So because your motivation is to give existing players a better choices, that means that you can just ignore the hard work of others? Just because you want to see only part of equation, does not make the other part of the equation dissapear. Your view on the subject as I said, is narrow-minded. You fail to see the whole consequences of the suggestion. You are motivated by what YOU want. Even at the cost of something that you yourself were defending in another thread.


Yes. You are. By posting in favour of a thread with the very explicit title of : "How to drive away the hard core collectors in PvE" , you are taking a stance in the movement. In other words, yes, you are contributing in trying to chase out players. You did not realise that? Please tell me you dun;t vote in your country.

If you did try to take a neutral stance, then it would have been otherwise, but you clearly DID take a side.

Yes. Irrespective of what you or I think, It's Anet's Choice. Then, nobody won't mind if that thread is closed already? Or are people only interested in trying to cry and cry to try and pressure Anet into doing what they want?

I complete agree with maraxusofk 's post.

Another thing I always wondered, Why do people always relate getting gold to farming? farming is possibly the worst way to accumulate gold. There are much more efficient ways.

PvE characters have advantages over pvp characters in pvp. Because there are items that simply cannot be replicated in pvp. Like 20% half cast on a wand with +5e^50%. Blunt damage on a sword, Piercing axe, Slashing dagger, Piercing hammer. These might be considered minor to some people, but when every health/damage count, these can by pass the +10ar that smart people will use against you.

I consider myself a fairly wealthy GW player and collector.

I have r8 weapons and r8 2/-2 whatever shields that still cost a fortune, and I do not see any reason why many cool skins need to stay ultra rare because they drop by default without inscription slots.

I paid quite a lot for some weapons, but I see no reason why this is a good reason to demand they stay ultra rare...

To put it bluntly, there is no reason to reject this system, an unified system for all chapters would be by far better than loot in Prophecies and Factions being retarded by default. This system does only good, the only "bad" about it that I can see is that some snobbish collectors with a questionable attitude cannot stand it. Just because their precious few items that 99,99% of the GW population will never ever see or hear of are now much easier to obtain and cost much less.

This is not a problem of inscriptions, this is your personal problem. Many Tyrian weapons already drop in Elona with inscription slots, and I see no point in not extending this system to all chapters because some persons paid a virtual fortune for some pixels and now do not want others to get them cheaper.

QFT. These are the same people who are always saying "suck it up - change happens - adapt" in other threads, but now they are crying and whining about how their "precious" gear will become......common?

Waaaah.

Hey - if the inscription system gets implemented universally - change happens, suck it up, adapt.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

It is not as if we will get our old weapons turned into inscribable ones. The drops will simply change to the new type. That means inscribable weapons and no req.8 max dmg stuff anywhere.

The best example are Elemental swords and Long Swords. An average longsword req9 with inscription slot costs around 1k and 5k. But what is the average price for max-req9 inscribed elementals? 200..400k? And still they are inscribed.
Inscriptions just remove the difference between a max.req9 15%^50 and a max.req9 14%^50. And who cares about that? Only those who think about their weapons as cash. It's not to show off. When you ping your weapon only the names appear, not the values.
But how easy is to get a long sword with the same full upgrades and modifier in Tyria or Cantha? It may be even harder to get than a Elemental.
Why a core skin should be more rare than a rare skin? Eh... because someone want to save cash as items? Eh... nonsense... If you keep a weapon it's because you like it, because you want to use it. And weapons have more versatility, that is, are more 'usable' if they have inscriptions.

Being inscribed or not it's not the problem. Rarity of skins can be set manually. Too much colossal scimitars drop? They could reduce the drop if they wanted to.
With the addition of GW:EN, PvP, GW:EN and Nightfall would have inscriptions... and now final chests in Urgoz and the Deep drop inscribable rares too. So Cantha is starting to become inscribed too. And HoH chests drop inscribed too
So imagine a guy that bught Nightfall, then GW:EN... and he wants more... (anyone would, yeah) and then buy Prophecies... imagine his disappointment when common blue drops change from 1 out of 200 drops being 'usable' (i.e.: req 8..11 and max stats) to 1 out of 1000, due to having fixed modifiers instead of allowing upgrades. And 1 out of 10000 for shields and foci!

And remember that not all dropped items are inscribed, even in Nightfall. Only those that drop with the 'modifier' property are. Items that do not bring that property, do not come with an Inscription free slot, inscriptions do not drop as 'empty'. And blacksmiths can't add inscription slots! So it would not be as easy as "getting a drop with such skin and done, it's perfect". Far from it.

It's logical that fixed properties are dependant of the weapon (base damage, damage type, req, recharge in staves...) Since they are always the same, just change their values.
But the unreplaceable 'modifier' Tyrian and Canthan wepons may have, it's variable, like the upgrades. Increasing the possible combinations, you get that getting an 'usable' common drop is harder than getting an unique!

Just some weeks before Nightfall, I have this very conversation with some allies. He claimed that 'modifier' upgrades would never happen, and if that would happen, he would 'leave the game' and I defended that such a change should and would happen (not knowing anything about inscriptions). They added such upgrades, for my surpise and their rage, but no one left. He whined a bit, but... for the changes in AI... After some time... inscription has proved useful and AI was fixed again for good.

Inscriptions allow average players to wear a couple more of thing other that green, collector or smith gear, without having to farm too much and just playing the quests and missions, just enjoying the game in their spare time. And that's good! There are still rare skins, even with inscriptions, and even rare items that probably never will become inscribed neither change in any way (like the Icy Dragon Sword, Prophecies rewards, collectors and other combinatios that do not match PvP available combinations) That is good too!

The core system is inscriptions now. It's not 'give them easier' it's make it a bit more versatile and add more variety. After the Insignia update, you see many people wearing Tyrian an Canthan armors where almost everyone had Nightfall ones only. Isn't now much better? Or you just want all the female elementalists wear the same Sunspear Outfit all over the game?

Won't be better having warriors wearing a Gothic defender with their Kurcick armor instead of 'Breaker Hollow's' Naga Skin Wooden Buckler?
Won't be better not everyone going all over the place with the Exalted Aegis?
I don't want everyone looking the same.

You can't compare the rarity of an Ascalon Bow to the rarity of an Elemental sword, so, why should be a common ascalon bow more rare than an elemental? Hm... hm... just because someone wants to keep it as cash in their storage?

And for the stats with no inscription equivalent, either they won't change or new inscriptions would be added. That's so obvious I can't believe you can think of it. They left the 15%unconditional modifiers untouched. And they COULD change them.

On top of that, if PvE players can get items that are impossible to be made in PvP, that's imbalanced and should be changed. So those combinations have to be made possible in PvP by adding more upgrades or just banish. Pet system should be changed too to allow dire/heart for PvP characters. I'm sure such things will be added.

It doesn't matter if a combination can't be made, if you can get that combination in only 1 out of 100000 items dropped.
Even unique items may drop 1 out of 10 times a boss is killed.

Who among us have you seen saying that? Either back up your obnoxious accusations with some proof or don't make such statements. Typical ignorance, you have no real facts so you make some up to suite your needs and spout them as if they're true. If you are going to make blanket accusations of hypocrisy then have the cojones to at least include some actual quotes to back it up. Otherwise you just look like a whining baby yourself.



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Do you want me to argue on behalf of not adding inscriptions? I could do that too.

Well of course i have a bias. I never said i wasnt. I do have an opinion on the matter after all.

I have weighed the costs vs the benefits and I personally think its worth it. Simple as that. Not to be mean, but its just collateral damage to me, to you, to everyone with good stat-ed rare items.

Hmn...even though the title of the thread seems menacing, when i read the OP, its an open call for discussion asking how we felt about it, hence, me posting. Didn't you read the op?

Im not trying to cry or pressure Anet, lord knows they got enough problems with PvPers.

Im pointing out the reasoning if/when such change does happen and why it would be beneficial to a lot more players, since some people are ignoring those reasons altogether, in favor of maintaining a status quo that only benefits them.

Like you say, its Anet's choice, but that doesnt mean you and I cannot voice our opinions on the matter. Besides, its fun.

Proof of an imbalanced and broken system.

If a PvE player can gain an item that could be advantageous in PvP, and cannot be gained through the PvP item creation system, it creates an imbalance of PvE vs PvP characters.

This would be equal to when the Lieutenant's helm didnt exist as a PvP item.

For reason of imbalance alone, you have illustrated a perfect reason why the system needs to be changed.

(I already know someone will say "Oh but pvp character can buy it, the Lieutenant's helm cannot be traded", that point is moot, since that doesnt invalidate the inequality.)

Screw inscriptions. I want Free Chests in Tyria!

Seriously, if the issue is making nice Golds more attainable to casual players, Free Chests would be an ideal solution. All my usable Golds have come from Free Chests in Nightfall.

If you can't debate like an adult, you shouldn't be pointing your fingers at other people for the supposed problem with the community. As far as I could tell, despite the fact that we've been repeating the same point over and over again, this has been very civil.
I earned it playing Quake with wicked-fast reflexes. I'm older now and I have average-fast reflexes, but it's hard to shake a moniker after you've used it so long.
Wait, what? They introduced PvE-only skills so that people wouldn't complain about this.

This is flawed logic. It has the unspoken (and wrong) assumption that everything the dev team does is perfect and nobody can suggest a valid improvement.

When GW came out, there was no Balthazar faction and you could only unlock through PvE. Players complained about this. Look at the bold part above and apply it against putting in Balthazar faction before they made the change. 'They have their reasons', so it shouldn't go in, right?

Then apply the same statement AFTER they put Balthazar faction in. 'They have their reasons' so it should be in, right?

Devs have been known to make changes based upon issues players see in the game. This can end up being a good thing and it's not any disrespect to the devs when somebody brings something up.

Oh god, Enteri, do you remember refund points too?

off topic, i liked refund points! they let you create builds that spanned multiple attributes, by switching helms and increasing attributes, you could have 16 divine with a divine scalp to cast your enchants, then switch to a prot scalp and 16 prot to start farming. It was fun.

Yay... gold drops from treasures are usable because they almost always come inscribed.

A nice stave with ugly upgrades but with a perfect base can be turned in just what I was needing.

And remember that treasures are limited to one use per about a month or so.

Althought it wouldbe really nice having treasures in all four regions (one more in pre-Searin would be also cool, XD), leaving drops not inscribed would fix nothing.

One of the main reasosn for changes Anet does is to prevent a single player to get too much cash from a single drop. So... do you think Anet has no reason to do so?
All my guildies and allies would love it... so... why should the opinion of a few players in aforum be more important?


Read this, and pay attention: I bet the small fingers of my hands that if they made a poll by NPCs inside the game about this, about the 95% of the players would vote for a YES to worldwide inscriptions, as long as items with properties that do not have equivalents are untouched, or new inscriptions and modifiers are added to match them.

You know that. And nothing you say would change the truth.

Mmmhm.
I also bet that that 95% of the players would like to make getting rank emotes easier, (I remember how many people were complaining in HA when they nerfed heroway this weekend) make luxon/kurzick titles easier than they are, make keys cheaper, and the list goes on....
invalid argument.

Whoa.

I recall not one but several threads either started or heavily contributed by Lyra where she detailed what specific profession(s) attributes did not have various two handed or one handed focii. Lots of detail on mods, inscriptions, how to replicate things, and what cannot be done.

I think Lyra knows who can do what to items.

Look for the message in what she writes. Heck, I am not really following this thread, and I think you are focusing on the perceived harm to you from this change. That's what blows me away - in a few years or so, the servers are being turned off. Ka-poof.

All this nonsense for a virtual item, that will 1) absolutely not get you a date with a person of the opposite gender 2) not feed any poor or homeless 3) not cure any diseases 4) not do anything but give you a bigger e-peen.

Its not real. The world will keep rotating - trust me.

That brings me to your compadre, boko.

Hey Pot, this is Kettle.

So, you have moral outrage because she is motivated by what she wants.

So, uh, what's your motivation bub? Do I have to write you a special note about how none of this is real? Oh yeah, just scroll up a few lines, and remember - these super-items will not solve the United States Federal Deficit, but hearing your whining an outside observer might be tempted to think so.

Get over it! Adapt! (snicker)

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

They made Lucon/Kurzick easier already, and sunspear and lightbringer with hard mode, and lucky/unlucky with chests, and with the changes in AI, xarthographer and Protector are easie too. And they will make some changes to Gladiator.

Finally, after some time, when people start moving to GW2, they will be easier than ever. So people get all stuff, get bored and buy the next game.

I cannot believe you didn't know that. It's basic marketing.

And since when was I not debating like an adult? Was it me that was using pretext of balance to justify his point? Since when was I talking irrationaly?
Or is it that you basically have nothing to say to most of my point and that you have to try to pretend than I was not discussing pilitely the issue just so you can pretend to be right? Since when did I say the discussion was not civil? You want to put words in my mouth just to prove you right? Childish attidtude?


Yes. Maybe you should. That would make you consider all sides of the equation instead of seeing only what you want.

So you know that you are biased, and for your information just having "an opinion afterall" does not need you to be biased. Some people can have opinions after considering all sides. Which you obviously are not doing. Then you are clearly in the wrong.


You are telling me that there is NO WAY that both sides can come out happy in this argument? Or are you so desperate to drive people away? There is always a middle/gray zone. It's you and others who ain't even wanting to consider them.


Oh I did read the OP. But the way the discussion is going. For example, in your case. uh huh. People only interested in seeing what THEY want. Riiggghht...talk about a witchhunt...


Reread my above point. Are you really sure there is no middle point?

Please dun't compare me to you guys.

I am not looking in trying to keep my uber items. I dun't have any of those. I am not looking to see what I want, like certain people. I am trying to find that middle ground where both party are happy. Is that so hard? Is driving away people the only you think that it can work?

I have considered both sides, and supporting inscriptions is the side i chose because the benefits outweigh the costs after considering who is affected, and what will be affected.

LOL. How can i be clearly wrong about MY OWN OPINION? You dont make any sense. Opinions cannot be right or wrong.

LOL. Didnt i suggest early on in the thread to have both inscribable and uninscribable items drop? Did you miss that?

I can say the exact same thing about you. So whats your point?

I never denied that there was no compromise....didnt you read MY posts?

Boko. Youre being unproductive. Stop strawmanning.

Instead of attacking me, counter my points.

If you are looking for the middle ground, then kudos to you. Me, I have a few items that might sell for some cash, but do you see me crying about how special items will now be common?

No.

The real world, just like the Guild Wars game world, is large enough that your success does not mean my failure.

That is what I love poking fun at everyone about - it is all electrons. Everyone have have FoW and Tormented Shields, and they'll still be awesome and cool looking. They'll still have the same stats.

So, what, people are losing their minds because they went on some crazy treadmill to get this stuff, and then the possibility exists that we can persuade ANet that "Gosh, that is a bit much grind/etc" and make things easier, and zooooooooooooooom there they go all excited, and mad.

We're so competitive as a society and world that evidently, people do not like to see others being successful. It has worked its way in here, and these nutjobs are crying that "OMG Sky Falling! Our precious achievement engine is being GIVEN AWAY!" Uh, no, there are not a limited number of anything in this game, and your real milk will still be in your real fridge when all is said and done.

Its not real. The world will still rotate.

I know, I am speaking to the choir, but its funny, and they deserve to be laughed at.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Alright. Well...
This post doesn't address the actual topic in the slightest. You're just saying that people are debating over pixels. On that assumption you might as well say that we might not debate over money because we're all going to die anyway.
Crap argument

lyra, I suppose I argue against a larger generalization of the inscription system because it takes the sheer interest out of prophecies. Proph skins aren't all that interesting, and the reason certain weapons have been so attractive is because they are so difficult to acquire.

I mean, those Req8 perfect fellblades are amazing. With the inscription system, you don't see any q8 max weapons (I haven't at least, and no one else I know has either), and so with the inscription system, you begin to turn the items towards utility as opposed to aesthetics, which is largely a pointless move, because max weapons are so easy to acquire in the first place.

Thus, the only purpose of a Q8 perfect weapon is that it's a. rare b. interesting c. pretty good skin.

And while you may argue that unconditional items have an advantage, if you're not tailoring multiple weapon sets to deal with every possibility in pvp that you can, why bother attempting pvp to win?

I don't care so much about the value of the weapon decreasing so much as I care about the fact that the weapon will cease to be interesting and "cool" because it is no longer rare because of its inherent perfection.

I have decided to leave this thread. But once I get more time to be in-game I am considering buying every Gold R8 imperfect Crystalline, Dwarven Axe, trash R7 and any other rare skinned item. This will safe guard my wealth against any possible addition of inscriptions to existing items. I have plenty of mules to hold the items and plenty of spare gold to spend. I guess the rich only get richer If added I will be able to admire the hundreds if not thousands of ecto profit I could make.

I would like to thank however, all of those who are in favour of existing items becoming inscriptable. Your persistant arguing has inspired me to safe guard my wealth and potentially make a load more.

Anet cant and wont take away my wealth.

*Leans back with a big grin on face*

You mean in the event that you will not be affected?


Yes. Coz Hitler had a very specific opinion on Jews, and we all know how wrong he was. An opinion can be wrong if you dun't consider a situation from all perspectives. That's a very basic thing.

Just because you only see one side of a person and think that a person is a very good person or a jerk does not make it true. In other words, your opinion is wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but opinions can be wrong.

So did I , Yet you ignored it. And now again you talk about collateral damage as if it was inevitable.


Strawmanning? unproductive? I am making the discussion move. Showing you that you are not considering all the eventualities, and moving it towards that middle ground. Now how about you? Where are you moving the topic? Or are you being unproductive and sticking to you stance, refusing to consider other people views? Making the topic stay still, and telling me that I am unproductive when the whole of your comment is only defending yourself and not trying to help the community? Counter your arguments? Did I not already done that? Selective memory?

So far, the only reason give not to add inscriptions worldwide is to hoard items as cash.

- Non existing combinations? Anet can add them if they want to. They already added many new upgrades with Nightfall. Other would just be left untouched (i.e.: Icy Dragon Sword, Collectors, Crafted, Quest rewards, etc...)
- Lose of rarity? Eh... no... a longsword would stay common and a elemental sword would stay rare. The diffenrce is that two req9 elemental swodrs would have much similar prices, instead of increasing and increasing values dependand on fixed modifiers. And Anet do not want such price increases. A req 8 will always be a req 8. And do not say they would stop dropping, because I got many req 8 common, purple and gold weapons and offhands.
- Lose of vaue? Eh... Anet do not care about that. If items drop their value, it's a gold sink. And that's good for 'economy'. Remember the 100k gold limit in trades? It's not precisely there to help increasing prices.
- Stop the game evolution and making it more like it was on the Beta? Heh... yeah, whatever! Let's go BACKWARDS! Let's unerf everything and have fun with umbalance! Yay!... sigh...

But people that agree with the change have their reasons:
- Make both rare and common skins more usable, so there is more variety in characters' equipment. In Nightfall you can see many people using many different weapons. With prophecies and Factions, they almost always where using green weapons and such. Isn't boring to have everyone wearing the Exalted Aegis?
- Allow players to reuse their own equipment, just by changing upgrades, much like you can with Armor. And... oh... they upgraded armor... (and there were people against that too, heh)
- Make prices more dependant on skin and fixed properties. What really makes items different.

So... is there any other reason other than "I don't want to. Period"?
Please, add it. Come on. Hm... hm... I'm waiting... I'm waiting...

Reading this thread, I can't help but think that most of the contributors would prefer to live in socialistic/communistic societies. "Make everything able to be had by everyone so that everyone can have fun". Kudos on knowing what is fun for everyone. Kudos on masking your Marxist beliefs with democracy "95% of the people would go for it!" If you took a poll of every person in your country, and the poll asked "Would you like to be given a million US dollars?" much greater than 99% would say yes. Of course, this would be ridiculous. The only point in that example is this: just because everyone wants something does not make it ideal. It was in no way an analogy for the inscription scenario.

I cannot speak for other people, but I can speak for myself and I notice I am a direct contradiction of much of what Spazzer (and others) claims are absolutes. I am not a PvPer. I am not a collector. I have farmed in the past, but never frequently. I did enjoy it when I did. I used to trade a lot when Prophecies was the only campaign. I rarely trade now because it takes too long. I rarely have anything worth trading. I do customize my weapons for absolutely no other reason than I know I will never want anything else so I might as well for the extra damage. I am against inscribable items becoming most common. I am for people earning what they get. I only have a few perfect weapons, and they are all green that I got from drops or from endgame. I do not use any inscribable weapons. I am dirt poor right now (1.5k) because I spent all my money getting my Elona Skill hunter title. Throughout the game I have probably earned well in excess of 1000plat. I am considered a "casual" player, not hard-core. I have worked very hard to get KOABD, but will most likely never achieve the next rank. I do not want it to become easier to get the next rank. The rarity of superb items is very appealing to me for the same reason I don't want the next max title rank to be any easier than it already is. I actually want to be challenged. Even if that means finding it difficult to get certain weapon attributes.

As you can see, I would be one of those people that would gain everything and lose nothing by making inscriptions available in all campaigns. But I am not for it.

I really believe that importing inscriptions into the other two campaigns is overly socialistic and demotivating. Yes, everybody can get what they want. How is that fun? It may be fun initially, but it will lose its flavor rapidly. How is that challenging? How does that promote the virtual economy that was the main selling point of Guild Wars when it was originally established? Economies require a wide variety of value, as well as a wide variety of socio-economic classes, in order to thrive properly. I miss the days where materials and sub-max dmg purples were traded just as much as everything else. That was a true economy. Make everything inscribable, and there will be no economy. There would still be a few things, such as elite tomes, but the economy would have only a handful of participants involving only a handful of items. I remember when almost nothing got merched. Now almost everything is. That is because it is too easy to become rich. There are no low income players that want the sub-elite items. The big thing that blew it apart was how rapidly players can achieve level 20 now, but that is another discussion. The fact is, the Guild Wars economy has become socialized already so far that there is very little economy. Porting inscriptions would be the final nail-in-the-coffin to destroy what used to be Guild Wars best feature.

Is this selfish? Yes. I want what I want just like everyone else. The only difference here, is that I do not benefit in game from getting what I want. I think the remarks about people being only "interested in what they want" are the most blatant examples of stating the obvious. Everyone who posts will say what they want to see. Be brave enough and humble enough to recognize you speak for no one but yourself.

Nothing worth having is easy.

Make something easy and it will no longer be worth having.

The majority of people want easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

this thread has reached the lowest possible discussion level..
admins, close it please!

Unless they ban and delete your account.

i will give my reason for wanting to be able to change inscriptions around

in all the time since the game started i have not had one single offhand drop that my caster could use........not one

my monk did not meet the expertise req
my nec did not meet the devine favor req
etc

i got many many drops that i wished i could use but the fixed requirements were impossible to meet for me.

note that if it CAN be done it WILL be done eventually

NOTE THE TITLE OF THE THREAD ALL............HARDCORE COLLECTORS

also note that every time in the past that NCsoft/Anet has had to make a choice between a small hardcore group and the general mass player that it has always gone against the small hardcore group.

not one single exception so far and i do not see why this should be any different then all those others

Did factions ruin GW? No. Did the freebie infinitely duplicable pre-order weapons ruin GW? No. Has anything ANet done so far wrecked or ruined GW? No. Would adding inscribability to everything ruin GW? No. Would making everything inscribable suddenly allow everyone to magically get good inscriptions, hilts, wrappings, etc so they will customize everything with uber leet mods? No. Will the inscribability remove the economy? No. Is the GW economy socialized? No? Does the previous poster actually understand various methods of controlling economies? No. Does everyone want everything? No. Does everyone want to play GW? No.

Why is the previous poster convince that GW will implode if everything becomes inscribable? It doesnt matter - he's just another "world is ending / sky is falling" poster who is trying to call us all commies.

Are you seeing a trend? Since you have no logic to show us, take your Chicken Little act on the road, bub.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Edit - credit where credit is due, this post is towards Mohnzh.

Hehe... easy, eh? Well... I want you to invite me on a party, let me follow you and see how you get an 'easy' Icy Blade Axe. You'll have one hour. I'll follow you wherever you go, and I you manage to get it dropped and it's assigned to me, you may keep it.

Sorry, but I have already discarded that. Skin rarity will stay. Only weapon usability will increase.

You can already get a perfect Ascalon Longbow from a collector. The point is to make the same skin dropped from monsters more versatile, better than collector's.

I think GWEN would be the perfect opportunity to introduce inscriptions to Prophecies and Factions. Was it not even mentioned in one of the interviews?

I doubt that old weapons/shield/foci will get retroactive inscription slots!

Just the new drops. This might also end the -2/-2 shields and other stuff that dropped only in Prophecies.


Maybe collectors can then be relieved that some of their items will truly stay rarities...

All this protectionism of virtual wealth is quite hilarious, I would say it is quite selfish and rather dumb to vote against this system.

Before Nightfall, I could count on the fingers of one hand how often I got one staff with proper, non-mixed or silly stats or a shield that had the desired max stats. It was was waste of many nice skins, because collector weapon could offer what only a very tiny fraction of all drops could, decent stats that were not mixed together by a weird random generator.

I am completely affected both positively and negatively if/when this change were to occured. Didnt i mention that already?

i will repeat. AGAIN.

I have weighed the positive and negative effects (including on myself) and i have come to the conclusion that the positive effects outweigh the negative.

I have a few rare Tyrian/Canthan items and i dont mind sacrificing them if it meant better items for everyone else.

OMG you just did the hitler. LOL. Ok...ok...ok, let me clarify.

Theres nothing LOGICALLY wrong with an opinion since opinions do not require any logic. An opinion can be MORALLY or ETHICALLY wrong, but we're not talking about morality or ethics, since that is not the issue being debated.

So what if i ignored it. The point was given already. And since there was no counterpoint against it, theres no reason to return to that point.

I completely believe it is inevitable. So whats your point?

You seem to think that telling me that im biased and my opinion is biased etc etc is discussing the topic. It is not. Thats merely discussing me. As much as i love your attention, i must digress.

Im being productive since i am DEFENDING my position. Thats part of debate.

By cutting down your nonesense and showing that you arent arguing with me, just wasting my time.

The only person who has done any counter-argument to me is Snow Bunny.

I can easily negate your argument by pointing out that what you state is based on personal tastes and does not reflect the actual possible outcome.

I know a LOT of players who prefer Factions and Prophecies skins to any Nightfall skins (with few exceptions) and would certainly appreciate usable versions of rare skinned weapons (Ornate Shield for me!)

I would certainly say its true that certain items are only highly valued purely on their rarity. As such, even if the inscribable system were added, they would still be higher in value since they are still rare, inscription or not.

The inscription system does not affect how easily it is to get a rare weapon. Merely that all rare weapons can become more easily useable.

The only thing that truly depreciated inscribable items was really the introduction of Hardmode and finding specific farm areas for rare items (Dead sword, Dead Bow and Colossal scimitar come to mind).

I think, that it would be hard for you to argue that items being actually valued for their use....is a bad thing.

Yes there is value in a weapon's aesthetics, but i dont see how you can argue that thats the only purpose of a weapon.

Rare pretty weapons will always be rare and pretty, regardless of inscriptions. Same with rare ugly weapons.

Its value might depreciate, but that shouldnt stop you if you really like the skin or its rarity or its functionality.

if player A can cause more damage per swing than player B, player A has an advantage. if player A can have both -2 while enchanted and -2 while in stance, while player B cannot craft such a shield, player A has an advantage.

Its really that simple. What player B has to do to overcome player A does NOT negate the fact that player A still has an inherent advantage.

edit: i apologize to manitoba and lifeinfusion for not acknowledging that they countered some of my points too.