Pre Searing: Please stop it being possible to drag someone (unwillingly) out of pre!

rhy cyr

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Psycho Cyrcus

E/Me

My lvl 16 monky who was over 80% of the way to lvl 17 was pulled out of pre....it sux! Anet gave me the "we r very sry ...BUT, there is nuthin we can do".

So, for my 2 cents...they need to fix this prob. Make it so that both parties have to agree to enter the academy before the timer starts. Its just that simple.

rhy cyr

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Psycho Cyrcus

E/Me

My lvl 16 monky who was over 80% of the way to lvl 17 was pulled out of pre....it sux! Anet gave me the "we r very sry ...BUT, there is nuthin we can do".

So, for my 2 cents...they need to fix this prob. Make it so that both parties have to agree to enter the academy before the timer starts. Its just that simple.

legion_rat

legion_rat

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

668 the neighbor of the beast

TFK

A/

just make it where you cant leave in party. entering into the academy is a solo think. two people and you get a "your party is to large" message. cause if someone is really lagging say with a 56k they may not have time to stop it. stupid crap happens.

~the rat~

margretli

margretli

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/W

/signed!!!!!!!!!!!

I've only read the first few posts, but this is horrible! This is the worst type of scam, the scamer doesn't really gain anything from it do they? So they're just scaming for the sake of scaming... That's very sad.

AngeloM3

AngeloM3

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

RI

Diciples of Rage [RAGE]

/NOTsigned

Why have ANet do something that can be prevented by the player in the first place?

Here's whats going to happen if ANet does implement something to fix this..........
-Everyone complains about being pulled into post
-ANet does something to fix this
-Everyone complains about the fix because now it makes another aspect of the game a problem
-ANet fixes again
-Everyone still complains...........


Damn leave them alone... I'm sure they've got enough to do with EoTN and GW2 on the way.

The Lurch

The Lurch

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

In the darkest depths of your mind.

Guilds are for yuppies.

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
as much as i like to be an upstanding member of the community and do things for the good of pre..... my account just got permanently banned.

apparently for using an ingame exploit?

this is because of people trashtalking about me, saying that i used an exploit (which is a bunch of lies... i allways worked hard for my gold tyvm)

i think by exploit they refer to whoever the hell bought the tomes to pre. people like dreamcatcher trash talked and accused me of 'being part of a group of people who glitch and hack' or something. WTF i would never do that.

this post itself proves how much i care about pre. why would i want to ruin it with tomes?

GAILE HELP ME!
Wow, that really sucks...look at what ANet does. They listen to bullshitters who spend time trashing peoples rep, then bans people instead of assessing more important things.

/signed to giving Fargus his/her account back.
Thats just not right. You don't ban someone until you have proof that they used an exploit. And even so, if theirs an exploit in the game, you shoulda fixed it before it got abused IMO, so its kinda your fault kkthx

**EDIT**: Okay, I was really angry when I wrote this, now that I have cooled down a little, Im going to say this nicer.

There are irresponsible people out there. They will exploit hacks and bugs. But it IS partly your fault. You, IMO should have people running around looking for bugs, whether they are players or devs matters not. ANd the fact that you banned Fargus regadless of he/she doing good for the whole gw community is...stupid. You should not send emails as serious as this back saying "put this on the forums" you should act then and there. I doubt someone (except for the above poster) would object to a glitch like this being fixed.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeloM3
/NOTsigned

Why have ANet do something that can be prevented by the player in the first place?

Here's whats going to happen if ANet does implement something to fix this..........
-Everyone complains about being pulled into post
-ANet does something to fix this
-Everyone complains about the fix because now it makes another aspect of the game a problem
-ANet fixes again
-Everyone still complains...........


Damn leave them alone... I'm sure they've got enough to do with EoTN and GW2 on the way.
And what exactly do you suggest they do? Even if you log out quickly, there's still a chance you'll spawn in the PvP arena and by then it's too late. The only known prevention is not taking a secondary, and some permapres accepted one long before kidnapping into post became an issue.

Look, I'm not a part of the permapre community either, but that doesn't mean I don't care or will tell them to deal or adapt. Forcing a player into post against their will isn't a minor complaint about an unimportant issue; this is griefing a significant portion of the Guild Wars community just for the sake of being a pain in the ass. The griefer gets nothing but some sort of stupid troll satisfaction from ruining hours, days, weeks, even months of a stranger's hard work. Scammed people at least have the opportunity to get their gold/items back, but permapre characters can't fix the damage done when they're dragged post-Searing.

Besides, now that this is on Guru and being widely discussed on other fansites, word's spreading. More and more copycats with too much time and no respect for the desires/work of others are going to do this. It needs to be addressed.

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeloM3
/NOTsigned

Why have ANet do something that can be prevented by the player in the first place?

Here's whats going to happen if ANet does implement something to fix this..........
-Everyone complains about being pulled into post
-ANet does something to fix this
-Everyone complains about the fix because now it makes another aspect of the game a problem
-ANet fixes again
-Everyone still complains...........


Damn leave them alone... I'm sure they've got enough to do with EoTN and GW2 on the way.
You're wrong. This is not something that can always be prevented by the victim. Sure, you can avoid it and I can avoid it, but the average player who has never visited the forums cannot avoid it. If you do not understand what the issue is, then don't bother to post.

Like Genofreek already stated, a victim that is scammed outta gold has the chance to rebuild their wealth or can accept donations from guildies and friends that feel bad for them. A kidnapped Perma-pre is forever damaged.

Gaile has already responded a few times in this thread. Anet agrees that this is a serious problem and they will fix.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Maybe a confirmation message for BOTH party members?

~Chrisworld

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

My perma Pre is only N/W6 right now but i would love to help stop these LDoA Abusers! Its LDOA ABUSE!! Its ILLEGAL!

/signed

T1Cybernetic

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

N/

My pre character is a N/x level 14 at the mo but it's been there a long time and i wouldnt like anyone to whip me out of there against my will.
A fix is defo needed and the best suggestion i've seen up to now is to make the party size (1) for leaving via the quest into the accademy.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

just make it so you can only enter by yourself, not in a party of 2

it's an easy fix

holy saints

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Heaven

N/A

A/W

yeah and if people go cry about it cause they cant go with friend who cars tehy will see each other in old ascalon again then

Tiltowait

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Siege Turtles

R/Me

/Signed

Until they fix this I doubt I will be helping many people in Ascalon. It just isn't worth the risk.

IllidanIcerage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

In front of a computer

Siege Turtles [ST]

E/

/signed

How twisted do you have to be to even think of doing this, let alone consider it...

Acehole2006

Acehole2006

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

United Kingdom Essex

Fight For The Win

Mo/

/Signed

To Even THINK of doing that can only be classed as sick, I feel so sorry for the victims. Hopefully they can find a solution. Pre searing is great and they should protect it greatness.

populationcontrol

populationcontrol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

USSR

D/

haha thats awesome, draging one of those people really close to "legendary defender of ascalon" tittles who invested countless hours of boring monotonous gameplay. i cant help it thats funny.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

The Answer to this problem is here <-- Click

God Apprentice

God Apprentice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by populationcontrol
haha thats awesome, draging one of those people really close to "legendary defender of ascalon" tittles who invested countless hours of boring monotonous gameplay. i cant help it thats funny.

I've had a monk in pre for quite a long time wayyyy before a title was implemented, and though I think the title is stupid, I don't think it's funny to drag someone out unwilling.

shmek

shmek

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

NOT /signed

If you have been playing long enough to make a level 20 in pre, then you shouldn't have a problem keeping from getting screwed over. If it's an easy fix to appease the whiners, then I guess the security would be nice; but if its a pain the butt with manpower and code then leave pre alone. Infact, please leave pre alone alone alone.

Additonally.... if you're going to dork around with pre..... please remove the Legendary Defender Of Ascalon title in pre. This addition has stimulated a great decline in the community there. It used to be much more fun before there was a bunch of nitwitts running around parrotting the phrase "I'm going for title."

God Apprentice

God Apprentice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by shmek
NOT /signed

Additonally.... if you're going to dork around with pre..... please remove the Legendary Defender Of Ascalon title in pre. This addition has stimulated a great decline in the community there. It used to be much more fun before there was a bunch of nitwitts running around parrotting the phrase "I'm going for title."
I totally agree. How many times did I see myself or others who tried for 20 which had zero reward get flamed for having no lives? I wonder how many of the flamers tried for the title.

britnie31

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2007

In HA .. dominating ~

DRKN

/Signed
i have seen this guy try to pull crap SINCE THIS POST ... i am sure it was him diff in game name .. cant recall what it was but it was last week some time ...

cmdratz

cmdratz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Fruor Amicitia Conamen Effectus [FACE]

R/Mo

/Signed
When a party is given the option of entering a no-way-back quest, every party member must confirm the motion with no time limit. Because this quest is in a town, and, if one denies a move to accept the quest, the proponent can simply leave the party or kick that one, I can see no successful argument against this necessary precaution. I have a level 12 presearing character and am considering going for the LDoA title.
Best Regards,
Chris. Dratz

Atreyu The Ranger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Dueling Dragons

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down
I ment rezone(you know, walk back in the portal )....
If you re-zone while party is still loading, you lose them.

Atreyu The Ranger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Dueling Dragons

R/

This is an all time low as far as I'm concerned. And I thought I was sore when I died in UW and this jerk refused to res me, and took my ecto drop!

This is in my opinion the worst exploit yet to surface. Fix it immediately, PLEASE. The most noticeable net effect of this exploit is that no perma-pres are going to join together with any new players to help out, because of the risk of being dragged. That's something they should care about.

/signed

zerica

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

/signed

main concern is possiblity to force some1 to do something which he/she doesnt want...

God Apprentice

God Apprentice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

The one solution (which has been said already) is simple. Make it so both people have to agree to accept the mission.

Safora

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2007

X Milliways X

E/Me

/signed.

It appears the solution is both simple and necessary.

JeremyTheLee

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Spirit of Faith

W/Mo

i ran into a player by the name of Ggaylord Humperdink today. he was using the search feature and advertising he was "buying all dyes". when i told him i had some dyes to sell him he immediately sent me an invite so he could find me. once i accepted and clicked his name i saw on the mini map that he was by sir tydus. so i just clicked leave party. immediately after i clicked leave party his character disappeared followed by him PMing me with hahahahahahaha you cant go back your stuck here. fortunately i was not dragged into post by him. so just a heads up, people are using different ploys now. ppl like that make me sick.

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

Im probally not up to date wit the latest Pre stuff but im pretty sure you can just log out while in the Pre-Arena or the quest after and you will be returned to Ascalon (and at one point you could just map travel out of the Areas also.) If things are still the same I dont see any big deal with it, just do one of those to get back to town.

T1Cybernetic

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

N/

Once you go into the arena all the outposts are removed from your map so you cannot just map out as far as i remember! Even if you close guildwars you will just load up in the arena again once you log back in.

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

hmm i stand corrected, when did that change? and more importantly why did that change?

Hermos

Hermos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Forever in Demand [FiD]

A/

What the heck? That's just idiotic, SURELY if one wishes to stay in pre searing (for one reason or another) then they must have the opportunity to close down GW before they beat the charr boss which triggers the cinematic. Isn't that simple to program into GW? The cinematic triggers post searing, and only beating the charr boss triggers the cinematic.

Anywho, /signed, definitely.

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermos
What the heck? That's just idiotic, SURELY if one wishes to stay in pre searing (for one reason or another) then they must have the opportunity to close down GW before they beat the charr boss which triggers the cinematic. Isn't that simple to program into GW? The cinematic triggers post searing, and only beating the charr boss triggers the cinematic.

Anywho, /signed, definitely.

Personally I love this idea. But, only because it opens up a GIGANTIC loophole for achieving LDoA (and the survivor title, possibly). So, of course, it will never be implemented.

gohanssj2

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

Born With Hope

A/

/signed
its horrible to drag someone who worked so hard and would like to stay in pre.

God Apprentice

God Apprentice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophita Leafblade
hmm i stand corrected, when did that change? and more importantly why did that change?
Bout 5-6 months ago. The reason it was changed was because of an exploit.

People were killing the boss and exiting GW windowed and it would put you back in pre with all quests reset. Which meant people could repeat the quests for xp, and keep doing that to get to 20.

When it got patched it wasn't a listed update, but those who tried that got sent into post automatically for trying to do it again.

Ascalon Runner

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Faction Factory [FF]

W/Mo

Just as it's impossible to get "kidnapped" into postsearing when you lack a secondary profession, joining a party to help a new player should be safe as long as that other player has no secondary profession.Anyhow I agree fully that "kidnapping" a level 19 character for the purpose of killing its chance to obtain the Legendary Defender of Ascalon title has to be among the worst form of griefing possible in Guild Wars if not THE worst so I'm supporting this petition.
Since Gaile Gray has posted numerous times on this thread, aNet is obviously aware of the issue so I expect this issue to be resolved.

Hawkeye

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Imperial Guards (TIGI)

Mo/

There's a simple and practical solution for all of you who have worried about this. Before you invite them to your party, find them on the map. If they aren't standing near Tydus, you can be sure he isn't going to do it. If he does, you can see him on the map if he walks in that direction.

Simple, yet effective.

Nabru Yar

Nabru Yar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

E/

/signed

absolutely. I would be soooo upset to be that lvl 19 dragged into Post..

Lexxor

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Majestic Dragons [MaD]

Mo/N

Until this problem is fixed, just make sure the other person ain't close to Sir Tydus before joining their party. YOu can easily target them in party window before accepting, and if they ain't next to gate, just don't accept. And if you accept and they start running to Tydus, you have 20 seconds worth of timing leaving party.

I'm NOT defending what they do, but until this problem is fixed.. this is still the best solution.