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Bai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Houston, TX

10 Aug 2007 at 02:57 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by selber

The usual, clueless crying... who would have expected that.

Overall there are some decent changes and some that won't change anything (Reckless Haste...). Tone down stupid spiritspammers is however always a welcome change. "It's so amazing to stand at one place and push buttons to summon spirits! Wohoo, what a amazing, fastpaced gameplay expierience!". Except it is not. Who would seriously cry about that change.

There are PvE-Skills that let you take only 20% of all damage, unremoveable, in earshot-range. So please stop crying.

If you see Ritualists as stupid spirit spammers, then you wouldn't be complaining since you would've already brought an Ele to nuke all of the spirits to pieces.

And I'm guessing that your PvP experiences are from RA, since you don't see "stupid spirit spammers" anywhere other than there.

Phantom Gun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Minion Bombing in Elona

The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]

Rt/N

10 Aug 2007 at 02:58 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by selber

Oxymoron much?

Yes they do exist. I've seen it!

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

10 Aug 2007 at 02:59 - 164

Loki, and others, for those of us who play a lot of HM, Aegis is a very important aspect, esp vs. stone summit and margos. This will hurt a pve aspect that was in no way imba.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

10 Aug 2007 at 02:59 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bai

If you see Ritualists as stupid spirit spammers, then you wouldn't be complaining since you would've already brought an Ele to nuke all of the spirits to pieces.

And I'm guessing that your PvP experiences are from RA, since you don't see "stupid spirit spammers" anywhere other than there.

I'm guessing his experiences are from GvG with peace and harmony. JUST A GUESS though.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

10 Aug 2007 at 03:01 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Loki, and others, for those of us who play a lot of HM, Aegis is a very important aspect, esp vs. stone summit and margos. This will hurt a pve aspect that was in no way imba.

I play HM a lot too, I'm pretty close to Legendary Vanquisher and Guardian now on my monk - in PVE, the best warrior mitigating damage is actually Enfeebling Blood. Aegis reduces a fair amount, so... I ask.. how is it weaker in PVE now? Because you're really going to be out of each others aggro bubble? Why would you be? - oh and it costs 5 less energy.

selber

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

www.peace-and-harmony.de

10 Aug 2007 at 03:06 - 167

Hold on, all iam saying is that the whole idea behind spirits is stupid and bad design to start with. I don't know why someone would defend spiritspamming really. Fact is, that Rts were designed around this idea (just look at their primary attribute) and the designer tried later to get away from the whole thing, because they realized how bad it was. This is just another step. Rts got alot of buffs, really - check out the update logs since the release of factions. There is no other class that got so many buffs - with the exception of Eles, maybe. Restoration is alot better than Healing Prayers for example (okay, not too hard, because HP is only good because of one spell - namely LoD).

Darkfoxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

SEyE

R/Rt

10 Aug 2007 at 03:10 - 168

The splinter weapon recharge time makes me cry.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

10 Aug 2007 at 03:12 - 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkfoxx

The splinter weapon recharge time makes me cry.

It would make many people cry, so good job it's a mistake and it's actually the duration that got reduced and not the recharge.

Phantom Gun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Minion Bombing in Elona

The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]

Rt/N

10 Aug 2007 at 03:12 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkfoxx

The splinter weapon recharge time makes me cry.

I guess that was a typo and it's actualy the duration, not the recharge. So that's good news. Not to bad of a nerf. Doesn't affect pve that much at all if any.

EDIT: It would appear rob and I have interest in the same thread lol. Sorry. :P

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 03:19 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by selber

Restoration is alot better than Healing Prayers for example (okay, not too hard, because HP is only good because of one spell - namely LoD).

SHHHHHHH next they'll be adding exhaustion to ritualist heals!!

Oh, and Andrew, give me this skill and then you can tell me about how the monsters can't come on here to bitch

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dark_Chain_Lightning

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

10 Aug 2007 at 03:21 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

I'll show why. Deadly Paradox>Shadow Prison>Iron Palm>Rend Enchantments. Just as Rend Hits, so does the spike, ergo killing the target.

What you've described is how any spike can work. Knockdown the target so he can't flee/kite, and remove protection. You seem to be pointing out non Rit skills as problems with the rit spike, when you really are just unhappy with spiking in general. Someone should just as easily use those skills in combination with Air spike, Obsidian Spike, or FoC Spike (any caster spike for that matter). Please explain how Rit spike is so much more dangerous than any of those, and how throwing exhaustion around willy nilly is a fair fix.

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

10 Aug 2007 at 03:22 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

I can take any one of my ten characters (I have one of each profession), start in outpost A of any campaign, hack and slash and burn my way to outpost B (provided the content for the area inbetween is level 20+) killing things along the way, with a full group of hench/heroes, and make an easy 2-3K, after selling the junk to the merchant in outpost B. And it takes all of 30-40 minutes, for any one of those 10 professions, of multiple builds, to do.

What exactly do you not do with your other characters/skills that you rely on one character, and one lousy skill, that you can't make money?

Honestly.

I'd rather make about 600 gp in 10 minutes than 2k in 40 minutes.

I've vanquished the Shattered Ravines, and the entire thing gave me about 1.7k.

Do you seriously think it's interesting to grind for an hour just for enough cash to buy one Obsidian Shard? Maybe less?

If the Splinter Weapon nerf wasn't a typo, I'd have spazzed out for real.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

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10 Aug 2007 at 03:28 - 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by countesscorpula

What you've described is how any spike can work. Knockdown the target so he can't flee/kite, and remove protection. You seem to be pointing out non Rit skills as problems with the rit spike, when you really are just unhappy with spiking in general. Someone should just as easily use those skills in combination with Air spike, Obsidian Spike, or FoC Spike (any caster spike for that matter). Please explain how Rit spike is so much more dangerous than any of those, and how throwing exhaustion around willy nilly is a fair fix.

Because the spike is AoE. And not only that, it uses Spirit Rift, which has a 3 second delay. So during the 3 seconds when the person has the Shadow Prison Hex on them, monks spam their prots. But just as Rift is about to hit, the N/A (which is used in the spikes) casts Rend Enchantment, removing ALL prot. The fact that the spells were so much damage for so little energy, cast time, and recharge, of course they needed nerfing. And this nerf is perfect.

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

10 Aug 2007 at 03:32 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

SHHHHHHH next they'll be adding exhaustion to ritualist heals!!

Oh, and Andrew, give me this skill and then you can tell me about how the monsters can't come on here to bitch

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dark_Chain_Lightning

Yeah I think we would all love to have some of those PvE monster skills; since they rarely get touched anyways. While you’re at it, put me down for impossible odds.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

10 Aug 2007 at 03:41 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

Yeah I think we would all love to have some of those PvE monster skills; since they rarely get touched anyways. While you’re at it, put me down for impossible odds.

Spreading out is pretty amazing, ditto against Dark Chain Lightning.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 03:49 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Spreading out is pretty amazing, ditto against Dark Chain Lightning.

ditto against aoe spikes in pvp

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

10 Aug 2007 at 03:49 - 178

The update seems fine to me. I'll try it out.

Hated rit spike, but maybe it does hurt some pve builds. On the otherhand, rits have gotten more buffs than almost any class. Just look at necros if you want to see pve nerfage.

And aegis isn't really needed outside of elite farm spots. Even most of HM you don't need it. And you certainly don't need it for shiro. Unless he's below about 50%, all he really does is auto attack and that shadow step attack. Unless you're a heal sig frenzy warr, the damage is a joke.

Is splinter even a nerf for pve? If you can't get off 5 attacks in 20 secs, then somethings wrong. Unless you're trying to splinter the whole party before running in and spiking everyone. Which is pretty overpowered, so fair that you can't.

Lol, trying to buff berzerker stance again? How many times is that?

Foe

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 04:00 - 179

most the areas of concern seemed to have been addressed....i think overall a great job....5 sec rend touch may get a lil out of hand but im not complaining.
rt's were turning many phases of pvp into yawn fest and the passive spam has been imba. nice work

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

10 Aug 2007 at 04:03 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

ditto against aoe spikes in pvp

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=177

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

10 Aug 2007 at 04:11 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

I don't need to watch you monk. If you think Aegis is needed to take on Shiro, you are a bad monk.

Aegis is bad in PvE simply because enemies don't do enough damage to warrant using it (again, at least, outside of elite missions). Henchmen use it right? Henchmen will use Aegis when you start fighting an enemy. If you are still fighting that enemy when it recharges, they sue it again. That's it. There's no strategic use. They just use it when they encounter a mob. Again, if you think that's 'smart use', then you suck at monking.

Way to miss the joke. GG.

I never used it to take Shiro only moving around the shrines so I wouldn't have to stop and cast reversal.If you think I suck at Monking then go tell Kuntz that because everything I learned I got it from watching him when he was with TE.I can say right now the most of the Monks that play pvp won't be using Aegis after this give it a week or month and Aegis won't be used in pvp again.The skill will be up there with protective bond and using it was why I was called Kick A$$ Monk and those player wanted me in their guilds.How do you know anything about the effect of Aegis if you never used it.You should know better as well by posting a pic like considering you are a GW Moderator.I don't post stuff like that on the board I am JR Admin. on.You don't see any other TGH Moderators do that do you.

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Aug 2007 at 04:20 - 182

Just to make sure, the die-hard Rit players are threatening the quit the game because of the exhaustion put onto Ancestor's Rage, correct? That's the only real PvE nerf to Rits in this update as far as I can tell. Wielder's Strike has never been a critical PvE skill as far as I know, Splinter Weapon is effectively unchanged if you're using it immediately; you get more raw DPS out of Spirit Burn now, and Spirit Rift is slowed down only slightly in PvE, where time is on your side.

On the spirit side of things, the exhaustion on spirits is a net buff overall. Most of those cost 25 before, now they're dirt cheap for their effects and take up exhaustion that shouldn't matter at all. Sure you lose out on combinations of a couple of those spirits but were those really the backbones of your build? All of the spirits updated were pretty marginal before, but I'd feel compelled to run at least one of them now with the updated stats.

So, to be clear, you're threatening to uninstall because Spirit Rift is a little less ridiculous and you can't spam Ancestor's Rage anymore?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

10 Aug 2007 at 04:21 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

Are you saying that a rit spike couldn't be countered? I saw it happen. Although it wasn't in GvG. It was a 3 way match. They were the first to lose. I'm not a hardcore pvper, I mainly play in FA, RA, and sometimes TA and AB, but I do observe a lot of games. Rits didn't need this. I think not enough people wanted to put forth the effort to counter this, hence the nerf that went a little to overboard.

and yes rob, it could.

Counterable is not the same as balanced. Welcome to Guild Wars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I never used it to take Shiro only moving around the shrines so I wouldn't have to stop and cast reversal.If you think I suck at Monking then go tell Kuntz that because everything I learned I got it from watching him when he was with TE.I can say right now the most of the Monks that play pvp won't be using Aegis after this give it a week or month and Aegis won't be used in pvp again.The skill will be up there with protective bond and using it was why I was called Kick A$$ Monk and those player wanted me in their guilds.How do you know anything about the effect of Aegis if you never used it.You should know better as well by posting a pic like considering you are a GW Moderator.I don't post stuff like that on the board I am JR Admin. on.You don't see any other TGH Moderators do that do you.

I have no idea what you are saying. However, it does not sound like you're as good as you think. You did prove the point though - if you think you can become good by using Aegis, then Aegis isn't a well balanced skill.

Phantom Gun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Minion Bombing in Elona

The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]

Rt/N

10 Aug 2007 at 04:34 - 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Counterable is not the same as balanced. Welcome to Guild Wars.

Where did you see me trying to pass off Counterable as balance? I'm simply saying it wasn't impossible to beat a ritspike, and I feel the introduction of exhaustion to the Ritualist is a big mistake. Yeah right now it only applies to a few skills, but further down the road if the addition of exhaustion becomes permanent who knows what other skills may be affected by this. When is this game going to be balanced? Oh wait it never will be, and the nerfs go on!

Oh yeah I almost forgot, Welcome to Guild Wars.

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

10 Aug 2007 at 04:46 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Because the spike is AoE. And not only that, it uses Spirit Rift, which has a 3 second delay. So during the 3 seconds when the person has the Shadow Prison Hex on them, monks spam their prots. But just as Rift is about to hit, the N/A (which is used in the spikes) casts Rend Enchantment, removing ALL prot. The fact that the spells were so much damage for so little energy, cast time, and recharge, of course they needed nerfing. And this nerf is perfect.

So the whole team is knocked down? Or they all gather around to help the fallen player get up? AoE hitting one target sort of negates the bonus of AoE. I suppose I could suggest using a great skill like "incoming" to step in for Prot spirit and its brethren, but that's right, PvPers were complaining about "paraway" and demanded that that skill get nerfed out of existance (Does anyone use that in PvE anymore? At all?). Why don't we nerf every aspect of the game until everyone is left with nothing but a feather, and the player that pisses himself laughing first loses.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 04:49 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Counterable is not the same as balanced. Welcome to Guild Wars.

Neither is nerfing skill sinto almost uselessness because of one build. that's not balance, that is stipulation of how you can and cannot play. anet says they're nerfing to create more diversity? please, all it does is limit the number of skills available... aka, limit diversity, aka exactly the opposite of what they say.

Quote:

I have no idea what you are saying. However, it does not sound like you're as good as you think. You did prove the point though - if you think you can become good by using Aegis, then Aegis isn't a well balanced skill.

post your builds and lets nerf every skill on them? afterall if you're using them you must think they're good, and if they're good they can't possibly be balanced, right?

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Aug 2007 at 04:51 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

Yeah right now it only applies to a few skills, but further down the road if the addition of exhaustion become permanent who knows what other skills may be affected by this.

I don't know, but I'd like to see Recuperation, Soothing, and Shelter tagged with exhaustion as well. Maybe Defiant Was Xinrae, along the lines of Xinrae's Weapon, if that turns out to be an acceptable change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

Neither is nerfing skill sinto almost uselessness because of one build.

What skill is almost useless now?

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

10 Aug 2007 at 04:57 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't know, but I'd like to see Recuperation, Soothing, and Shelter tagged with exhaustion as well. Maybe Defiant Was Xinrae, along the lines of Xinrae's Weapon, if that turns out to be an acceptable change.

I hope they don't go crazy with exhaustion on ritualists.
Then what do I use while holding items.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 05:03 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't know, but I'd like to see Recuperation, Soothing, and Shelter tagged with exhaustion as well. Maybe Defiant Was Xinrae, along the lines of Xinrae's Weapon, if that turns out to be an acceptable change.

What skill is almost useless now?

the list of skills made useless by these so called balance changes over the past year and a half is very long. go through the skill lists and count how many skills you'd never think of taking now, that were once powerful. it may even be in the triple digits.

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Aug 2007 at 05:11 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

the list of skills made useless by these so called balance changes over the past year and a half is very long.

No. You're specifically whining up a storm about this particular update. What skill was made useless by this update that has you upset that you feel the need to go on a tirade in response?

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Aug 2007 at 05:13 - 191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

the list of skills made useless by these so called balance changes over the past year and a half is very long. go through the skill lists and count how many skills you'd never think of taking now, that were once powerful. it may even be in the triple digits.

Considering the changes were in the double digits, that takes some doing!

Sorry, I don't mean to poke fun -- ok, may be I do just a little

-- but honestly, there's far too much typing and far too little practical testing going on!

Phantom Gun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Minion Bombing in Elona

The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]

Rt/N

10 Aug 2007 at 05:14 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't know, but I'd like to see Recuperation, Soothing, and Shelter tagged with exhaustion as well. Maybe Defiant Was Xinrae, along the lines of Xinrae's Weapon, if that turns out to be an acceptable change.

Here's to hoping it isn't

Why you would want to add exhaustion to those skills is beyond me. I would love to stay up and discuss it but I have to go to work in the morning. Is it just me or is there some sort of amplified hate towards the ritualist here on Guru?

You should try playing one sometime. Obviously you havn't. None of those skills give you a huge upperhand. They may help turn the tides of battle mainly in PVE, but they sure as yaks don't guarantee you a win. The same deffinetly goes in PVP.

Anyway Goodnight Gurunites!

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

10 Aug 2007 at 05:18 - 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

Why you would want to add exhaustion to those skills is beyond me.

The assumption being that like the other spirits in this update they would have a reduced energy cost with the exhaustion tag added on.

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

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10 Aug 2007 at 05:19 - 194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

Here's to hoping it isn't

Why you would want to add exhaustion to those skills is beyond me. I would love to stay up and discuss it but I have to go to work in the morning. Is it just me or is there some sort of amplified hate towards the ritualist here on Guru?

You should try playing one sometime. Obviously you havn't. None of those skills give you a huge upperhand. They may help turn the tides of battle mainly in PVE, but they sure as yaks don't guarantee you a win. The same deffinetly goes in PVP.

Anyway Goodnight Gurunites!

Here's my little story.
Once I was walking out of the 7-11 and 6-8 assassins mugged me!
The next day there was a curfew put on all assassins. Yeah, it stopped those 6-8 assassin groups from mugging people, but it also stopped my assassin friend from going to his late night group meeting to help feed the homeless.

Is true story.

Anway. lol
I'm not mad about the update. I just hope that if they start going willy nilly with exhaustion, they pay very close attention to spells that go well with items and don't end up really hurting the lone ritualist who likes to dabble in channeling by his lonesome to help the youngens.

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Aug 2007 at 05:21 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

Why you would want to add exhaustion to those skills is beyond me.

In conjunction with a reduction in energy cost, similar to the buffs to Anguish and Disenchantment, adding exhaustion to those skills would make them much stronger overall while simultaneously restricting their potential for abuse in old school spirit field templates.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Gun

You should try playing one sometime. Obviously you havn't.

Obviously.

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

10 Aug 2007 at 05:22 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Sorry, I don't mean to poke fun -- ok, may be I do just a little

-- but honestly, there's far too much typing and far too little practical testing going on!

With that, I'll definitely have to agree. All I heard was whine whine whine about how Aegis is worthless now, for both PvP and PvE. Having tested it, I beg to differ.

There is absolutely no reason in PvE for Aegis to no longer work. If any of your party members are out of range of Aegis now and it's so dire that they get it, I suggest getting better people to play with. In PvP, it's likely your party members that will need it the most are going to be near enough to the caster to get it. If they're not, they're likely a target that would worry little about having Aegis on them, they're extending elsewhere on purpose in which case you would know and could supplement them with another prot, perhaps the newly buffed guardian, or they suck and you need to get better people to play with.

I've honestly had no problem thus far. Will things be a little different? Sure. Will you have to maybe pay attention a little more? Sure. Is the skill useless in PvP or PvE? Not even close.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 05:24 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Considering the changes were in the double digits, that takes some doing!

Sorry, I don't mean to poke fun -- ok, may be I do just a little

-- but honestly, there's far too much typing and far too little practical testing going on!

practical testing....... ritualists have no means of preventing or removing exhaustion, and are affected by it FAR more than an elementalist is since they have half the energy pool to begin with. practical enough for you? or maybe you need an in-game story, since all the pvpers come up with sob stories about being pwned to bring the changes.... I logged in and half my rit's channeling skills cause exhaustion, I searched the skill trainers in every city and links to elites and found not a single way for a rit to prevent or remove exhaustion. there, that better? oh, and some random spike build pwned me a couple times, nerf it

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

10 Aug 2007 at 05:29 - 198

Hey Ensign.
Do you prefer the exhaustion addition over your suggestion on the wiki to decrease ritualist spell damage, but also decrease recharge. I think it would have handled mutli-rit spiking occurrences, but helped the lone buckaroos maintain their channeling dps.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

10 Aug 2007 at 05:44 - 199

on a related matter.... There have been two more updates since the first one, we gunna be getting notes on those?

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

10 Aug 2007 at 05:45 - 200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Hey Ensign.
Do you prefer the exhaustion addition over your suggestion on the wiki to decrease ritualist spell damage, but also decrease recharge. I think it would have handled mutli-rit spiking occurrences, but helped the lone buckaroos maintain their channeling dps.

Skill by skill basis. The addition of exhaustion to spirits was brilliant and I'd like to see that taken further, for instance. Only 2 of the Channeling DDs got exhaustion, the rest were tweaked in other ways. I like the exhaustion on Ancestor's Rage a lot, actually, though I think it should have its energy cost dropped to 5 to compensate. The Wielder's Strike change on the other hand I'm not really a fan of. That skill was always a pain to make use of, since there aren't exactly a lot of weapons you want to maintain to make it on demand. But it was so good that people went and dedicated characters to maintaining Vital Weapon in order to activate it. Now, with exhaustion, it's really kludgy, with multiple really harsh conditions to meet. I would have liked to see some other sort of rework to that one.

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

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10 Aug 2007 at 05:46 - 201

Just for anyone bothering to complain about the Ritualist exhaustion nerfs, need i remind you all of the Inspiration line?

You really dont have it that bad