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Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

13 Aug 2007 at 22:54 - 1

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Ryan_Scott

Quote:

we're going to be implementing a "Deserter" style system that punishes leavers in random formats with PvP downtime. This will only be applied to the problem areas, so TA, HA, and GvG players will not have to worry much about this. That being said, since we're disallowing players to leave and join repeatedly to get a team capable of 10 wins in RA, we felt we needed to take the cap down. These changes will go hand-in-hand.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that we're also adding mechanics for punishing leechers and a time limit on RA/TA games to stop runners.

editted to make reference to Gladiator thread for context
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile...oposed_Changes

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Within a few weeks we will be implementing a system that takes action against players who continually leave prior to the end of battles in PvP.

bamm bamm bamm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 22:58 - 2

Very nice. Can't wait to see how it works (or if it works).

Also, I'm liking the transparency the wiki is bringing to the table.

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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13 Aug 2007 at 23:02 - 3

nice one anet^^

try it get it working for AB too tho

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

13 Aug 2007 at 23:10 - 4

This is great news for Aspenwood!

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 23:12 - 5

very cool! Sounds like it will help.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Aug 2007 at 23:21 - 6

It's a about time too. In which century can we expect this patch though?

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

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13 Aug 2007 at 23:26 - 7

Rly nice. Finally I hear something about punishments for leavers. Once I started 31 matches, and there was always one or more leavers. I was so angry....and the nice thing is that many times they were monks....other leavers expet to see a monk, and monks? what are they expeting to see? I dunno how people minds works....I thought about this 2 punishments:

1)You loose 1k faction for each time you leave a game.
2)You get a random skill locked into your account (this is rly bastard xD)

Anyway I like the first method^^

And plz don't talk me about people putting efforts into titles....I mean, with my warrior I'd like to have survivor....but what? I cannot as I created it on the first day of prophecies. So don't talk me about fair things and unfair things. Wwithout talking about how mahy identified golds I lost....oh well.

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 23:39 - 8

I believe in God again.

Phoenix Avenger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Wisconsin

Eternal Knights

E/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 23:44 - 9

about DAMN time ANet. Mind you it's still 1 year late...

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Me/

14 Aug 2007 at 01:18 - 10

Why did they waited so long for this?

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

14 Aug 2007 at 01:30 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Why did they waited so long for this?

Cause that's how ANet likes to roll.

SAQ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Melbourne/Taipei

Radicals Against Tyrants

N/

14 Aug 2007 at 02:18 - 12

Finally they are going to deal with it after 2 years time. I hope the system is good and the penalties are high!

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

14 Aug 2007 at 02:36 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Avenger

about DAMN time ANet. Mind you it's still 1 year late...

That's two years :P

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

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14 Aug 2007 at 02:42 - 14

retarded

so they are going to force you to play when you dont want to

Ork Pride

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

14 Aug 2007 at 02:46 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

retarded

so they are going to force you to play when you dont want to

Ok, if you didn't RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing want to play then why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO did you join the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game?

Lord High Pwner

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Arizona

KGOA Knights of GOA

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14 Aug 2007 at 02:52 - 16

im surprised and relieved to see this in the works. surprised that its taken ANEt so long to implement this, but i guess now that theres nothing left to do with PvP but nerf skills they must have more time now.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

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14 Aug 2007 at 02:53 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ork Pride

Ok, if you didn't RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing want to play then why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO did you join the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game?

because Im not usually a leaver, but then people like this appear :http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186455

bad attitude, bad at the game, not even a rez sig, yeah that doesnt makes want to play

darkknightkain

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

P/W

14 Aug 2007 at 03:01 - 18

In addition to RA, please include this for the Factions areas too!!

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

14 Aug 2007 at 04:05 - 19

So will we be punished for leaving a game early when we don't want to deal with some lame ass runner?

Midnight08

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Cantha. DE

Xen of Onslaught (Alliance of Xen-AX)

A/

14 Aug 2007 at 04:31 - 20

awesome, hope afk farmers are also penilized... really sad to load CM or RA's and find 1/2 your team is afk.

Cap as in 10 win in RA then move to TA cap?

Midnight08

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Cantha. DE

Xen of Onslaught (Alliance of Xen-AX)

A/

14 Aug 2007 at 04:34 - 21

still think they need to add boot commands to a team, so that if a team doesnt want a member they can choose to click the boot next to his name. If everone chooses to boot him they can. (they'll still have to 3v4 the run, but they'll have a chance for a better member after. That or make boots happen after a run so the team will have to deal with the "runner/afk/whatever" for 1 round, but he cant keep messing with them if they win.)

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

14 Aug 2007 at 04:34 - 22

Until they find a way to stop all the problems they give people a legit reason to leave they shouldnt be punishing people for leaving.

Examples include:
Runners
Pure deffensive teams
People leaving before you
etc etc etc

Until problems like the above are addressed I dont think its right to punish people for leaving when they are not the cause of the problem.

Captain Gerome

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Australia

D/Mo

14 Aug 2007 at 05:14 - 23

I belive Andrew Patrick said something about putting a time limit on matchs to stop people for Running the whole match.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

14 Aug 2007 at 05:20 - 24

Yes but the time limit would still have to allow for a reasonable length in match. Even if you only have to wait 10 mins while someone runs around or the game is in stalemate, thats still 10 mins of wasted time if you cant leave due to a punishment for leaving.

phoenixtech

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

14 Aug 2007 at 05:22 - 25

Er, how about when there's a disconnect on my team and it's 3v4, I can't leave that match and have to stick it out?

myword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Korea

14 Aug 2007 at 05:23 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Gerome

I belive Andrew Patrick said something about putting a time limit on matchs to stop people for Running the whole match.

what if you're on a team of 4 monks or 4 pure defense characters?

what good does the time limit do then, draw? advance both teams to the next round?

poorly implemented, the penalty on leavers will just make RA less enjoyable for most. good thing is this will hopefully encourage more players to go to TA... or not

longhornrob

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

14 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenixtech

Er, how about when there's a disconnect on my team and it's 3v4, I can't leave that match and have to stick it out?

What, you don't like a challenge?

You people act like you don't play this game for fun anymore. If it's 1v4 I'll still charge out there. Will I win? Obviously not. Will I amuse myself doing so? Damned right I will.

I hope this helps with AB also. I hate when there's a leecher on our map, so then two or three other people also quit because they can't imagine a scenario where 11 of us could actually defeat 12 of them. Or when one member of my group leaves because its 100-50 and they have six flags. Big whoop ya pansy, tough it up and make it a comeback. Don't wuss out at the first sign of despair.

VendingMachine

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

14 Aug 2007 at 05:42 - 28

Once I got a person trying to get Survivor on RA I touched him ONCE because he was last....he quit.

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

14 Aug 2007 at 05:50 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornrob

You people act like you don't play this game for fun anymore.

But if I play it for fun 200 times, I can get the, "[1] I'm having fun!" title. if I play it for fun another 1800 times, I can get, "[2] This is really great!" and after another 8000 times, "[3] Legendary Party Animal!'

Then I can have my purely "optional" middle-fingers akimbo emote which will soon be the community-enforced minimum requirement for joining any pvp pug.

Oh, did I read the OP wrong? This is only for the Gladiator title track...er...I mean RA/TA? They're not implimenting this for the Friends of the...er...I mean AB/FA?

If the Gladiators don't want this, I'm sure the Friends of the Lux/Kurz do. Give it to us! Give it to us!

myword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Korea

14 Aug 2007 at 05:55 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornrob

What, you don't like a challenge?

You people act like you don't play this game for fun anymore. If it's 1v4 I'll still charge out there. Will I win? Obviously not. Will I amuse myself doing so? Damned right I will.

while it may be fun and amusing for you, it isn't for others

also, i'd like to see if disconnects trigger the 'deserter' penalty, because it isn't hard to fake a disconnect and reconnect

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

14 Aug 2007 at 06:06 - 31

Sorry, does the /resign function not work in RA?

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

14 Aug 2007 at 06:13 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Sorry, does the /resign function not work in RA?

That requires all your team to use it. Obviousely with a runner thats not going to happen, and in a stalemate a lot of the time you have more than 1 player who is quite happy to wait it out and see if they win.

myword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Korea

14 Aug 2007 at 06:14 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Sorry, does the /resign function not work in RA?

it still requires the whole team to /resign, so your best bet is to hope that the other people (probable idiots) on the team do the same if you end up 3v4 on a disconnect

/resign spikes are the new RA fad then

DirtyDirty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

R/

14 Aug 2007 at 06:36 - 34

lol @ time limit to stop runners. Was that as big a problem as leeching?

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

14 Aug 2007 at 06:52 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrono Re delle Ere

I was so angry....and the nice thing is that many times they were monks....other leavers expet to see a monk, and monks? what are they expeting to see? I dunno how people minds works....

More monks? I've seen groups of 3-4 monks before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornrob

You people act like you don't play this game for fun anymore. If it's 1v4 I'll still charge out there. Will I win? Obviously not. Will I amuse myself doing so? Damned right I will.

I've actually won a 1v4 before.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

14 Aug 2007 at 08:11 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

because Im not usually a leaver, but then people like this appear :http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186455

bad attitude, bad at the game, not even a rez sig, yeah that doesnt makes want to play

TA exists for reason.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 08:16 - 37

The disgusting creature that is the "keen on leaving" RA-Farmer can now move to TA and enjoy the better competition.

masteroflife

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

14 Aug 2007 at 08:26 - 38

Can't Leave? What happens if you see a wammo with retribution and holy wrath. what happens when you see a dervish have nothing but earth paryer skills with mystic regen, what happens if you see a assassin using axe skills, what happens if you see a ranger going close to someone and use star burst.???!!!!???!!!!

This had all happened to me before. Now tell me y shouldn't I leave as a monk.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 08:55 - 39

Go to TA and create your perfect team, problem solved - or live with the randomness that is RA.

Thinking is hard...is it not?

MYSTERYouse

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Slovakia

Farming Crew UK [Fcuk]

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14 Aug 2007 at 09:11 - 40

Gladiator Titles -- Proposed Changes

I think this should be related to this issue, if not maybe just FYI

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile_News