A letter to Anet and everyone else: Guild Wars is dying in my eyes.

I reluctantly agree with this, to a degree. Creative mods could give a slight advantage in situations. All warrior skins are yellow (no pun intended), all monk skins are blue, etc, etc. But I don't think it's anything to really worry about.

This I'm just not seeing.

I wanted to make a seperate post on this subject.

While this might sound true, it's not.
When you have some experience monking, you know when health is at a certain level. Same with energy.
As mesmer, you know how the cast of that critical spell looks.
As general player, you should know how a monk looks (and that's also why you have a target caller).

When using those little graphical helpers in PvP, you hurt yourself in the end.
It does not make you a better player and makes you focus on the wrong things!

Go on with out us.

I feel as if...



we could care less what you think.

My money is on the fact that there are thousands of players who disagree with you.

Alrighty, bye bye then.

Can i have your stuff pls?

Just have to throw this out there:

If people are interrupting better now thanks to mods, why was ritspike nerfed?

Here's a key - it doesn't help enough, apparently.

The healthbars mod? Dedicated monks could simply apply dry-erase marking to their monitors. Hell, I'm sure a few of them already had before modding became big.

Those "gameplay" mods are a simple aid to help those without cat-like reflexes (interrupts/heals), thousands of hours of experience (spotting the correct targets like monks, or knowing by sight and sound when you make a crit), and dual-monitors with uncovered maps (to help with cartography), etc. It's something people don't need, but it helps. I don't see anything overpowered or unfair about it, at all.

As far as dupes go, unlike Diablo, this was nipped in the bud and accounts are banned. It's just as uninformed to say it will kill the economy as it is to say it will do nothing to the economy, but one thing is for sure: time heals all wounds. As long as people can no longer dupe, the duped items will work themselves out of the economy, period. It doesn't matter if there are 20 million armbraces, ecto, and crystallines. In time, they will get used, deleted, traded out, converted into gold and sunk, etc.

Here's an analogy to consider: You have a waterfall constantly pouring into a basin. What happens when you stop the waterfall? The basin will dry up in time. That should help.

Meh I was waiting for a reply from the OP, and then he posted and I realised he is just here to rant and debate


I'll guess you mean ofcourse, but I would also be interested in this off course ranting, sounds like a cross country rant-a-thon.

But yeah do us a favour if your leaving, LEAVE. If you decided to stay, DON'T POST ON FORUMS ABOUT HOW BAD THE GAME IS!

It is free to play and no one is forcing you to play; or leave.

/vote for a lock, Aint nothing but Q Q supported by misinformation about the Mods and Dupes matters.

Let this thread die like the OP's enjoyment for GW, into a black pit like his consumer expectations

oh and see u in less then a month when GWEN comes out

Anyway i just said what i've learned while being an administrator of the Counter-Strike server, accenting things (modding to help) can harm the game and often does so. We'll see how that interfere GuildWars.

All I can say is duped items and mods have not effected my game one iota.

Most people here are excited bout GWEN and could care less about tormented weapons, armbraces of truth, or crystalline swords...

You want a rollback? Wait until GW2. There's your rollback.

OMG, you want your money back too? Because of modding? How bout we hang Gaile from the rafters too? Freaking ridiculous.

I'm so sick of people saying that modders and dupers killed Guild Wars.

While I am one of neither party, they did anything but. Arenanet will probably fix the GW mods that give you advantages, or make it illegal, as it was a mistake in the first place to make it legal, and the dupers of armbraces were caught within two days and contained in that time frame.


While it may have gone on for a month or so, until now it had done no major harm. The game is anything but dead.


As for depreciating values of items? Welcome to the gaming world. It happens in every MoMRPG regardless of events. It's how thier markets work because of the same old greedy players and the principle of exploiting the already exploited.

The game has a wonderful expansion on the way, the market is still relativly stable aside from the small drop of tormented weapons/armbraces, and Gw2 is well into the forest in creation.




Go play any other game. I garuntee you that the gaming company will not handle things at all to the point that Arenanet did, and make a very large and negative impact on the game when those things happen.





Stop crying about the mods and dupers. It's not new in any game. If you're so concerned about this versus the fact that GW is still thriving, then I would more than gladly show you to the door.

@OP

Very few games can avoid exploits. In fact GW has had one of the best track records so far.

In reguards to skins... most of the "fun" is showing off to other, since the mods only affect what you see... your "cool" to your self?

Where moding does come in handy is making more pleasant looking interface, vs changing what your characters "shows" on the screen.

LOL??? You want a refund for a game that you are sick of playing.... Just uninstall. I know about all those mods and dupers. Problem is I couldn't care less. Its possible to still have fun. If it weren't, nobody would be playing this game currently.

I'd just like to say that making it so seeing players better - like changing all warriors skins to yellow, making monks appear bright white, etc. - would be veeeeeeeeeeeeeery difficult to do.

For those not familiar with Texmod, you can easily break the modded texture by changing one piece of your armor. This means that if you equip a different set of gloves, you'll have to restart the Guild Wars application. It even happens if you remove the helmet.

In order for you to see a modded texture, the person wearing it has to have the exact same armor combo as the one you modded, and it doesn't work on seperate pieces. Meaning, if you retexture a whole set of monk armor and you see a monk wearing the chestpiece of that set, it will not appear.

Not only that, but most people who PvP usually mix and match their armor sets, so it's *highly* unlikely you'll run into someone wearing the same combo you retextured.

All in all, people wouldn't really bother because you can just hold the Ctrl key.

Now, I've only tested this a couple times. It would be cool if I could get some further verification to back me up. Halp plez!

Cry me a fricken river dude.

If all you're going to do is complain about the game, then WHY ARE YOU PLAYING IT??

Damn people and their bickering that Guild Wars is "dying". If you think that, then go and play another game. Its as simple as that, so stop complaining.

This really made me laugh, modding benefits and extends the life of games even crappy ones, and you say it as if modding was as easy as breath, no, you need skill and a little more knowledge than the average joe.And you are angry at something you don't even understand.

OK lets make a mod that brightens monks armor
ohh there are 60 sets plus 6 pieces per set plus the gwen new ones and as agent said you would need to bright every mixed set... i'm just to lazy to do the maths.

Then lets mod skills, i need to find the skill i want to mod and tada! now that 1/4sec skill will have a big letter saying interruptmenao... oh wait... i couldn't too fast <_<

Honestly, why do people even bother starting threads like this? They know they are going to get flamed off the forums. If they don't realize that, they can't be very bright...

But CS is a little different to GW is it not,I don't play Counter Strike but I understand what it is about. In Counter Strike, a client side mod could, and don't quote me on this because I don't mod, make other players appear brighter and since an element of CS is stealth this would help. Or a mod could show you if someone was on the other side of a wall (<- this i'm not sure about), if this could happen yes you would have an advantage.

But, i'm not on these forums to discuss Counter-Strike. In GW a visual mod will do almost nothing an advanced player can't already do in relation to becoming better at the game. Weapon skin wise it's a Texture Mod not a Model Mod, it doesn't change the shape of the object just what it looks like.

I could type more on these subject and the duping subject but right now i'm tired and my fingers don't feel up to prolonged typing

[QUOTE]unless they changed the stats of the item you still have what you originally paid for.

you missed the sale so what?

I don't think any mod gives a real advantage in PvP. Sure you could make a few changes, but a player that has some skill wouldn't really need it. The impact it has is marginal at best. the only mod I have used was the UT sound mod just because it was amusing for a while.

The duping was a disappointment. I think that does have some impact on the game. I used to play Phantasy Star online a lot and duping is what turned me off from it. It was pretty easy to do and it made the game boring after a while.

But mistakes happen. Anet saw the issue and stopped it as soon as they did. There wasn't a whole lot more they could do. At least they are actively trying fix it.

An exploit can't be seen until it is exploited.

ESRB Notice: "Gamplay Experience May Change During Online Play"

@OP
So... did you cheat? This is just funny, "please stop making cars, because I don't have the willpower not to run over people"

omg another rant. JUST GO WHO CARES IF U QUIT?

I havent seen any effect however, there is one thing I will agree with.

I do believe that Anet shouldnt have allowed it, not because it gives any advantage currently, it doesnt, but because its a sliding scale. You either allow mods or you dont but I dont agree with saying "some mods are ok".

Thats undoable without the source code, just having access to the textures does not allow you to do so plus without very very detailed knowledge of how the textures are applied, constructed and used by the game itself such things as you describe may be possible ultimately but it would probably take years to accomplish.

Even so, all advantage would be in PvP which you say you're not interested in anyway.

The economy is just fine, the highest end item in the game has lost some value, thats all.

As for getting what you originally paid for, well, thats a rather weird request, I dont know when you bought the game but I know when I bought it there was no SF, there were no Battle Isles and we can make that list much, much longer.

Uh yes...and who cares? 0.01% of players at most. I havent paid more then 1K for almost anything, in fact I'll gladly sell almost anything if people want to buy an overpriced skin or item because they want to look kewl.

It still does but hey, YMMV.

Got any proof of that? Even if that was the case, so what? Does it matter to playing the game? Nope, not one iota, the worst side effect of that might be a drop in price on AoT's and more Torment items around. Well, that sure breaks the game, a rare skin being not so rare anymore!

Dude, its not about the destination, its about the journey and I never made the journey with the idea I'd get some kind of l33t weapon skin at the end of it. Its a game, we play it for fun. If you dont then its time to quit.

Uh...I would, well, not lift weights obviously, but I do what I enjoy and I enjoy playing GW. I play for the fun, the challenge, the challenge doesnt diminish because I have a torment item or because I want one...in fact aside from some pixels on the screen that torment items costing 3-400K does the same damage as my 110gp self modded item.

But hey, my pen1s is big enough rl, I dont need an epeen to feel secure

Well, too bad, I think its sad you leave for such a reason but to each his own. Good luck in your next game.

To the OP: If you are tired about playing GW, quit.

I moved on a while back, and I'm very happy that i did. I found a new game to play (Sword of the New World), and I will not have to pay anet full price to get a expansion that, from all indications, appears to just be a couple of new maps.

Dont expect sympathy from people on message boards, because you will not get it. Your complaints will properly be interpreted as whining.

I respond to this thread only to make the following points:

(1) Duping is something that affects the game, gameplay, and the community. Dont pretend otherwise. People will quit over this. When you consider that many farming nerfs, 3.7k ectos, and loot scaling probably resulted from anet's attacking farmers when the problem was Duping... everybody feels the negative effects of duping, and people probably have quit over this.

(2) Gw's PvE endgame, such that it is, is about being showy. That's all that there is: nothing else to do but grind the same mobs so you can look good. Client side Moding does not change that you cannot be a showoff to others without the actual items, but you can change the characters yourself. Why work for stuff when you can create it for free? With high-end GW items having little in-game benefits, its fair to say that people might complain about this.

By reading all of this, one has to wonder what did the OP played GW for in the first place? Just curious.

j00 pHail in life and GW

and it's "À chacun son goût"

PSO is a perfect example of what happens if things like duping go unchecked. It pretty much destroyed the online part of the game, money had no value, and trading was almost pointless except for those very few items that hadn't been mass duped at the time(which were only of interest to people that wanted one of every item in the game). The worst part about the whole thing is that Sega pretty much turned their backs on the game and still expected everyone to pay monthly to play. (This was on gamecube btw)

So, considering what could have happened, I think this "Massive Impact" that the OP is talking about, is about the equivalent of a drop in a bucket of water. Sure it caused some ripples, but the bucket is still there.

Personally, I think Anet handled the whole thing pretty well, and the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE]then post on their official game forums unless the game sucks (some have said it really sucks) so badly it is a relief to return here to whine some more as a break.

people have quit from the start over anything so BFD on a few top end traders quiting

most of those so called *farming nerfs * were there before reconnects and obviously (except to a moron) before duping so how are you managing to blame duping for prior to reconnect events?

That was a completely different story. The GameCube version of PSO couldn't support patches preventing duping. Ergo, it couldn't be fixed. (The Duping Glitch was fixed on the Xbox PSO, which had a hard drive to store patches.)

Thank you. Those are good points. I really should learn a lesson from all this instead of trying to argue with people. I'm just wasting my breath. I promise that this is my last post in this topic.

well...i rlly dont know you ibex, but ive seen you around forums in past. Let me just bring up this one point.
Whether you like GW still now or not, seeing as you have been on guru since Jun 05 and probs a player since b4 then, this game has satisfied your gaming fix for long enough and should be well worth it. I know that most games i buy last me maybe 1 month tops b4 i pretty much stop playing, and they usually cost 60 bucks each. If you wanna quit, then do so, come back later or never come back at all, but continuing to play 1 game for over 2 years makes it worth the price you paid, no doubt. Everyone has to quit a game eventually, its up to you when to decide its your turn.

Lyra Nailed right on the head. The duping has caused very minor damage. Gaile explained this already. And the modding is hardly helpful. Interrupting doesn't work best in reaction, but prediction.

You'll just keep paying a fee.
SotNW, ugh.. Talk about vanilla. Game is so meh...

[QUOTE=Loviatar]IGN rates it at 6.5 with gameplay at 4.0. 'Nuff said.

Indeed, every change to GW has led to x topics from people who would quit if they didnt get x or y back.
2 years on GW is alive and well and still selling quite a few copies judging from NCSoft's quarterly statement.

Some day GW will be dead, I'm sure, but in terms of value for money, well, I have never had any game that lasted me over 2500 hours before. I'll stop playing it one day as well but I'm sure it wont be over the price of armbraces, the economy or a farming nerf. I'll stop because I've done everything I've ever wanted to do or accomplish and all my friends have quit as well.

Every few weeks a post like this comes out.

I hate GW!

I hate ANet!

If ANet doesn't do what I suggest I'll quit!

I play GW everyday... for hours!

I pre-ordered GW-EN.

What!!!!!!!!

I wonder why?

Get-A-Life!

Thanks for noticing me...

I....can't.....stop.....laughing.......

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and just to add some things,

Didn't you see all the thread's about people who where "innocently" banned??

Dark

edit: fix quote

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I'd agree with the duping thing, that was some really serious stuff that could have messed up the game even more then it could have. I think the players and anet handled it pretty well, which saved a lot of crap that could have went down. Sure some people made money of it, but who cares.

Try taking a break from Guildwars. I do it frequently, try not to play or just log in once every few days for a lil while. Do different stuff, then when you come back after a week or two its not to bad. Though I do stuff like pvp and ab, dunno what you do, but ab is always fresh when played with lots of different characters.

Though buying a game from the start thats market more towards equal play was a bad choice on your part. Maybe you should play a game where you have to grind for everything, levels decent weapons, etc..

These are the moments in life when I ponder the feasibility of implementing some sort of testing requirements before allowing people to breed...

Even in people drop out of Guild Wars in search of other adventures, it will hardly change the game for me.

Killing Shiro will still make me happy, Eternal Grove will still make me cry, getting an ecto will give me a buzz, Alesia still won't heal, Koss won't rage-quit, people will still say 'noob' and mending will still suck.

The point is that many things about the game will change but many more will stay the same.

Ups and downs happen but the game is only dead when you believe it's dead (or the servers are switches off).

Guild Wars is a product which has followed the same product life-cycle as most products and it may well be in decline. It's normality and not a major concern. Anet have predicted than and are working on GW:2 already in preparation.