Female Armor: Please leave SOMETHING to the imagination.

no, that's guild wars lore....

????? I know what a meretrix is but I have no idea what you are talking about...she dosnt want her characters to look like show girls, is that so odd?

Hey I like movies too but I also dont think I can go play with my best friend Chewbacca by going over Captain Jack Sparrows house and playing with his time machine on the moon...

I dont understand how having the ability to comprehend another viewpoint is perverted and repressed but then again I am ill-gifted in the ability to make epic jumps of conclusion such as you.

Thats why I have two bats, "Old" and "Faithful", gotta get them all and show them what jebus really wants. But in all seriousness...um huh? She just dosnt want to create characters that represent her in game that look like that. You try making a respectable elementalist in NF, you cant, there are only 2 armor styles for Elementalists in Kamadan and neither one lets her look like she isnt turning tricks so she got fed up and left. You're ability to go into a very weird place seems a bit too natural and I suggest help.

Which is storytelling....*shudders*

Im done. Holy hell I am done. This is the scariest thread I have seen in some time.

She already have many other models.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Elementalist_armor
And many other professions.

No one force her to use those 'harem' models.
We have already explained that many times.
You pay by content. Nightfall was released with those armors.

So stop bickering about this and BUY Prophecies and Factions.

I won't repeat anymore:
You can choose. If you complain, it's because you want other to change.
And you have no right to decide for others.

What?

There's plenty of non revealing armor for females. Every single warrior and ranger armor except for 15k glad and 15k druid is fully covering the female character. Monk armor is the same, except for tattoos which both sexes get. Mesmer armor is mostly covering as well. The male 15k glad also shows quite a lot of skin. What the hell are you complaining about again? Oh nothing? Just being the typical "I'm so offended gosh!" female player ok.
Because you've seen every single available armor set in GWEN oh ok. The one's I've seen have a "shiverpeak" theme to them, which means fully covering and fur lined because it's cold. You're clearly talking out your ass oh ok.

Tell me, is your wife-to-be actually forced into buying, and wearing, these armours? The answer is a simple no! She can't stop anyone else wearing them, but she has the option to not wear them. There are modest armours for elementalists, so if she doesn't like NF armours such as 15k Sunspear, regular Sunspear or Istani, then she can go and get some other armour.
More modest choices could be:
Flameforged, Canthan, Kurzick, both elite and non-elite for all 3, Ancient, Primeval and Obsidian.

QFT

I totally agree with you on that one.

I've read through 3/4ths of the pages in this thread, enough for me to state that I figured out the solution to your problem.

Play in first person view, if that doesn't work, shut off your monitor as you play. Hell, close all the curtains, shut the windows and doors, board them up just to make sure you don't see it, smash the TV, because oh heavens no!, theres "skin" there too!


You seem to ignore people who state something that completely obliterates anything you say, for example, Go outside, you basically see the same thing there as you do here, whats the difference? THIS ISN'T REAL!!!

You don't want little children to see it? Oh, they've seen breasts before they could even speak, nor even walk.
Go to Google, and type in a random cartoon name, you'll get some form of nudity or another.

Walk into town, sit on a bench for five minutes, look around, you see basically the same thing. Look in your closet, I bet you'll find something revealing there too, heavens forbid a game displays what you guys wear IN REAL LIFE!


Yeah, some armor is revealing, who cares? You complain that there isn't enough verity in armor choice that is less suave and less revealing, try looking at other armors for once then, you have quite a large option of armor choices for every character class.

Point being, if you don't like what you see in a video game, no one is forcing you to play it. You yourself choose to play it. If you have to shield your monitor from people that come in, then "LOL" at the person you shield it from, even if it's a 13 year old, porn is easier to view then you think, and by god a 13 year old by then has already seen it. Oh, and isn't that around the time when puberty hits anyway? So thusly they've most likely seen it already at school, no? Going to keep the kids out of school now too?

If you want to play a game that doesn't have revealing armor, Tetris, it's quite fun. Try it some time.

Despite the fact that my previous post fundamentally disagrees with the OP's point of view:

Leaving aside arguing over what is 'respectable', Ted does have a point here. The difference between Istani and Sunspear in the early game is negligible and not much of a choice. The game could have benefitted from having a more 'modest' alternative in the early stages, as if you want to cover your ele from head to toe you can't do it till you get to the Bone Palace.

But you can buy Factions and get a Tyrian outfit in Wajjun Bazaar.

Woah, Mithran. I think you are pulling out your bat on the wrong guy. TedTheDead is not some sort of crusader trying to get everyone to change what they wear. Read what he wrote. He had a character name with boobies in it and tried to get it allowed by using ANets double standard. He wasn't trying to get ANet to change what they allowed, except to make it more liberal. That hardly sounds "repressed". You have the wrong impression of him. His point (and the OPs) was not that there are no options, but that you do not have modest options EARLY. Why would someone buy a different campaign, if all they saw was what was available on one and they didn't like it? This is not about making anyone change, this thread never has been. It is about making a request that modest armor be available AT ALL TIMES, not only to those that have gotten far enough that they can scout around for the armor they like. A lot of the modest armor sets recommended in this thread are not available at the beginning of the game. Why shouldn't modest sets be? If so many of you are saying "Big deal, it's just a game, get a life", then why do you care that some people would like it? Let them! They are not trying to take anything away from you, they would just like something that is appealing to them as well. Don't bash or start flaming someone just because they express that. It's unnecesary and detracts from your viewpoint.

On another point, I see a lot of "females need flexibility, so they shouldn't be covered." Pretty much all of the girls I have ever met would much more preferred to be covered during strenous activity. Not with massive, heavy armors but with supportive, flexible, well-fitted outerwear. It is generally quite modest. Clothing that approaches immodesty tends to be unsupportive and in some regards painful. If you make the argument for flexibility, body suits are the best way to go, not what is available in game. And as said before, assasins would always prefer to be covered head to toe. Works better with shadows.

Since when tunics and coats are better for extenuous activities than much lighter sport gear?
Search in google for female sport outfits. They are way skintighter and much more suggestive than elementalist gear.

GW is sold 'as is'. You pay for the content. If you want more content, you pay for it.
The people that bought other campaings have access to other armors.
Buy them all and give money to Anet.

I did not say tunics or coats. Try hearing what people are actually saying. I also said skin tight (well-fitted, body suits), neither of which imply tunics or coats. Skin tight, however, is still more modest than a lot of what is available. Also, it is not necesarily "form-fitting" which is frequently less flexible. The most appropriate sports wear is not very suggestive.

Face it, its a guys game. Most MMRPGS are, nothing to do about it, there arent many female gamers sadly enough (When we get hot armor for male chars hehe , just kidding)
And if you think its annoying those whispers and the skin of the armor, just don't buy the armor.. all happy ^_^
Loves Kayleigh

I'm including my full post in this thread partly as a reply to some people who feel existing armor should be changed. Only the bolded section of my post is a reply to Dervish's post.

Dervish is simply asking for more armor options. I'm pointing out that future options should include the types of things she wants: stylish non-revealing armors.
At the same time, if we are to add new armors, we should also add more armors of the opposite type to be fair to other gamers.

I don't see why anyone is arguing against this in this thread. The OP is somewhat ambiguous, however, clearly Dervish is asking for more armor types and styles.
Who doesn't want more?

To reiterate, more armor should be added (imo), however multiple types should be made to fit into both ends of the spectrum (and in between the extremes).

i didnt read through the whole thread, but, there are many alternatives.

my ranger can look like a pole dancer:



but, she can also look like this too, which is a very conservative look:



now, same goes for warriors and all other classes. of course i really don't see how female 15k glads can possible supply 100 armor against physical damage (which is mostly melee), but the game de4signers wanted to please everyone, so they had to make armors that would please 13 years old teens AND a more mature and conservative audience.

I just spent an hour reading this entire thread and I have to say I'd rather be on neither side. Both options kind of make me hang my head in shame.

I'm a girl gamer and I have several outfits for each of my ten characters. Some are more revealing than others - I like to call them the pimp look. I dress my characters the way I'd dress myself if I had the body for it. Sometimes my warrior wears her Primeval armor to kick ass and sometimes it's the 15k gladiator. It's a mood thing for me.

Fact is, there are a lot of options already, though some are limited. For example, try to find proper boots for a mesmer, or elementalist, or, in fact, paragon. I appreciate the sandals, it's just not my thing. And the thigh high mesmer boots are kind of surreal.

But it's funny, because the male counterparts very often look just as ridiculous. Less revealing, that's true, but a paragon or derv is still wearing a skirt - and, uhm, there's been some garish color choices out there, I tell you. Every time a derv wears purple, a fairy gets a blowjob.

I like my characters' toned bodies and laws-of-physics-defying outfits. I try not to look at what the avatar design tells me about the pervasive image of females and males in society because that would make me very angry and I wouldn't feel like playing anymore.

I don't like how some posters here have attacked DervishGnome not just for her opinion, but for daring to have one as a woman. It's kind of sad how things got flamey and personal so very fast. It's not okay to say things like "typical "I'm so offended gosh!" female player ok." (quoted from Floski). It's prejudicial and exactly the reason why female players appear to be few and far between. Many of us don't even bother revealing our gender, because that's the sort of thing we get to hear.

But the funniest thing is that I didn't even agree with the OP. I thought she was making mountains out of molehills - there are totally choices to go from fully armored to scantily clad if you so wish! But reading a lot of the replies made me wonder if maybe she hit a sore spot and something very nasty began to ooze out...

What? She at first got offended by how some female classes dress. Then also post some degenerate posts like this:
Then she said to the poster Fightdoken "Anyways, thank you for your post and being anything but condescending." To this post:

Such a sexist post. It's stupid. How do you think people are going to react? The OP had what was coming for her, if not she should had gotten a lot more, or the thread should have been closed quickly. If she wanted more styles and felt that the armors aren't up to her living standards, then she could have done so very easily! Instead she bashed and brought fuel to the fire.

Another example.
A reason why people keeping saying its T(teens) not a family game. And why the thread has gone into what the female dress into and what she doesn't approve as appropriate. ie she doesn't like the dance
This keeps going on by fueling more and more

Truly insightful! What more sexism can come into the thread. Oh yeah and Dervish Gnome is agreeing.

Dream, you're right that Dervish presented her suggestion the wrong way by denouncing what other people like; however, the core point of the suggestion in the thread is to add new armor (although she geared it to be solely more conservative armor. My suggestion is to add it to both ends of the spectrum).

While I disagree about why Dervish wants more armor (and everyone has gone off on that tangent in this thread), I do want more armor types for the sake of:
1-More suits for different build combos
2-just to look spiffy I guess. :X


If you really think about it, very few people have really responded to the initial suggestion/question in the thread: "Do you want more armor?" It has all been derailed onto the tangents of "Does most current armor look skanky?" and "Does all the remaining conservative armor look butt-ugly?" (No to both questions IMO, but I'd rather not talk about that to fuel the fire and re-derail the thread)

Luis Royo.

All my female friends agree Luis Royo is on of the bests artists ever.

GW armor look like nun batman/penguin outfits compared to the best Royo artwork.

Google it.

You don't know what is good for you.

Did you not understand what you just quoted? "Jora is a clear example of what may be to come." Notice the "of what MAY be to come" that "may" that you ignored is me admitting that I do NOT know all the armor options of GWEN or GW2. Again, I was thinking that Jora's "sexy" armor will be somewhat of a model for player armor in the future games. I want to play as a Norn in GW2...but I want my Norn to look like a serious melee character running around in combat armor (that actually looks like it can take a hit). Pardon me for thinking that.

Men and women alike can like the skanky armor and by all means Anet will include it...I'm asking that MODEST and APPEALING armor at a REASONABLE price be added not that all the "indecent" armor be removed. OMG! People...did you just read that?! I may be against the SKANKY armor but I am not asking that everyone change thier armor for more modest options. DEAR LORD! It's like I gave my opinion to a bunch of ingrates who only wish to change my words to make me sound like a shriveled up old bat who believes in the "good ol' days". I'm freaking 19 and though I do see BOOBS and other various items while outside that doesn't mean that I need to just accept it and be "one with the crowd". I happen to like my body and I happen to enjoy dressing like a modest woman. You can't understand that and that's just fine.

If I lashed out at people it's because they made me feel as though my ideas were anything but good. It may not have been the greatest idea and I'll admit to that. I've seen plenty of good ideas on these forums and then I see all the others who constantly disagree for only god knows really why. You want to continue the debate that is going NO WHERE then please keep posting. As far as I'm concerned no one here has truly convinced me to give up on my opinion, in fact, many have just reinforced it.

I am done defending myself to a bunch of swine who know nothing better then how to flame others. If you think I'm calling you a swine then you've probably flamed me (because the only people I am truly calling swines are the flamers). Are you offended? GREAT!

Please, by all means, feel free to take everything I just wrote out of context, re-word it, and then use it against me because I honestly don't give a d*mn.

I'm done, finished, etc. with this thread. Tell me I'm abadoning it, call me a coward, flame me some more! My point being I have vocalized my idea more than enough times and still most of you don't get it.

Have fun at my expense.

Everybody needs to cry more.

Good work people who shot this thread down you made her leave. Even though she said "I'm asking that MODEST and APPEALING armor at a REASONABLE price be added not that all the "indecent" armor be removed" her title is pretty much saying Nerf clevage and shorts!! I mean come on have you ever been to the beach? What do they wear there? It's hot in Elona! Jora needs less armor so she can be more mobile.
What happened to the more armored units in history? They were knocked down and could'nt get up and were killed with pikes by low ranking soldiers. I'm not saying wear a bikini to the mall, even though people should during the summer.
There's also a good reason for cleavage. If you know someone who has big ones, they can't find any clothes that can fit them well. They either have to wear big oversized clothes or wear clothes with the clevage. The cleavage lets them fit it better. Look at the clothes from the Victorian period, big busts wanted and cleavage shown. I say nerf people who go around calling people pigs for liking breasts and a nice body but go around oogling muscly guys.

/signed

Some of Luis Royo's armour designs might look a little skimpy, but the ladies he paints look like they can kick some serious *** too. My favourite artist ever.



As for the whole skimpy fem armour thing, please take note that ANET did infact hear all of your complaints and they already took action in Nightfall by levelling the playing field. How? Rather than making less revealing female armours, they made more revealing MALE armours....... so really, all you complainer out there have got to stop complaining and just play the game. Don't like the armour? Then for gods sake, DON'T BUY IT....

note: ack my eyes >_<

Some of you make me embarrassed for being a male. Some of you have a devious way of putting words in people's mouths or taking them grossly out of context and beating up that supposed argument (strawman fallacy, for anyone who's taken Practical Reasoning). A tip for many of you, if you are quoting a person's post and inserting your reply to each individual sentence they typed, you have likely not examined the argument properly and are misinterpreting them.

This thread should have been about whether ANet's choice of armour has excluded some female gamers, not whether or not females are prudes. It should have been about whether or not ANet should consider adding more conservative choices in their armour selection, not whether or not they should censor all existing armour. It was never about how appropriate nudity is or how beautiful the human body is; none of that was ever relevant. And it most certainly was never about Dervish Gnome. An argument should stand on its own, no matter who speaks it. You can claim someone is overreacting, but don't follow that up with insults or you'll never convince them they are overreacting.

And now that the original poster has signalled that she's finished with this thread, I'm closing it forever. I hope some of you will do us all a favor and read some bloody Wittgenstein!