Female Armor: Please leave SOMETHING to the imagination.

There is Tyrian armor, which I though was both covering and cute, is is that not good enough as it is cute. Personlly I think 15K Sunspear makes my ele look more cute than sexy, which rocks since I like cute.

I regret nothing!

The only one who should complain are paragon and dervish players, as there is pretty much zero variety to their armors, so if you don’t like one, chances are you won’t like all. For all other professions however, there is something for almost everyone to chose from, as has been shown before. You can also mix and match the different components.

OP: If you are looking for cheap modest ele armor, try Piromancers, or Tyrian.

No contradiction. You're talking about the word "fantasy", as in "these are my fantasies." I'm talking about the "fantasy" genre, as in elves and dragons and such. There was never a requirement in the fantasy genre that it had to have chain-mail bikinis. There was never a requirement that it had to be cheesy. Women in bikinis killing dragons is just cheesy. Over the years, the more cheesy, B-movie, badly written fantasy movies included chain-mail bikinis. My complaint with Guild Wars is that the game developers never really took the genre seriously, they just wanted a game with a deep battle system. This clothing debate is a part of that general problem.

And just to make things clear, nudity is sometimes appropriate. Remember Diablo 2 when you fought Andariel and she had her bare breasts exposed? It wasn't exactly conservative, but it was appropriate for a demon. Wasn't exactly sexy either.

Lol, I got to this post and stopped reading. Good idea about the scars with female gladiator's armour, oh and it would be great if when burning is applied to you your skin blisters and you have horrible burns all over your body forever on that character, oh and when your blinded your screen goes black and stays that way. I'm a guy, I have no problem with your idea, in fact I think you have a very good point, but please dont go saying things like " Its supposed to be armour" or " she should be scarred", gameplay or realism dont come into it (because getting slashed by a sword a hundred times and walking away is realistic...), its a game. What does come into it is that you, and probably many other women, are not comfortable having a underdressed female as your personal avater, which is fine. Please just say so, dont make excuses.

/signed

~A Leprechaun~

Ok, some people think this is a question of artwork. To be good art an item should, in no specific order:

• Not be so busy as to prevent clear recognition: perfect example of violation is the single rose design for capes.
• Should be clearly distinguishable without color (in black and white) as well as with.
• Should have clear and distinct separation between separate items for contrast purposes: A few of the chests and merchants would never be found if one could not use the Alt key to scan.
• Should maintain consistancy of style in presentation

What does not matter in making good art is personal preference. That is not to say art has no obligation to consider the preferences of the target audiences. (And since every person is a member of several different audiences depending on the mode of life they are expressing: parent mode, church mode, rebellion mode, etc. and even all at once; this can be very difficult.)

There are things about GW art that I do not like. For example, I absolutely detest the Istani Female Necromancer armor designed only for people of high pigmentation. Only if your character expresses high pigmentation can you hide dirt covered shoulders, elbows, knees, and the mud-packed thighs. I have never cared for all the male necros looking osteoparetic. I have never cared for the split-tail design on so many of the female armors. I don't particularly see why one of the best looking armors for rangers, at a distance, must have dead twigs tied to their arms and legs when something live and leafy would be fantastic. And I would not be caught dead (no matter what gender I might be in my next life, lol) wearing most of the underwear in this game. (The necro and ranger undies are horrid and terrible for dessert or jungle climates.)

I am male, and I do like some of the sensuality of the game. I do think it is appropriate for the tattas to jiggle when the girls dance, because ones that dont jiggle are silicon. Fact is there is nothing in the game more revealing than a bathing suit, but very few people refuse to go to a non-nudist beach or public swimming pool.

It would be nice if there were more armors that was more choice for both genders. I happen to like the wonderful work of Frank Frazetta, Boris Valejo, and Ken Kelly. I also like what their women warriors don't wear. We have a wonderful oportunity with GW 2 to toss in a little barbarian armor, or maybe some warrior tat-armor like some nations of the Americas were rather famous for (Spiritual armor and clan insignia tats). I would like to see some armors more reminiscent of the Art Nouveau period (just after whale-bone corsets but that were still gorgeously bell shaped and well ornamented.) And if you ever see a Napoleonic period ballroom gown - well, they would not have had to uncover anything to breast feed.

The biggest problems I see are the limitations of 3D modeling and dangly mesh. The clipping in the Sunspear Mesmer 15k shows a part of this problem. The constant clipping on the capes and between hair and some armors shows more of it.

But can we do anything now that GW is abandoning GW for GW2? I think getting more armors here and now is too late.

the main demographic(not everyone just most) for mmo players are small nerdy men(and proud of it)
so male armor is big and tough(nerds fantasy)
and females armor is sexy to the point of no return(fantasy)
maybe gwen armor (being a snowy envuronment) is more consealing

ok, finished reading, now for my two cents,

i am a woman, i have a range of characters, at a range of stages across all 3 parts.

i dont have a problem with much of the armour in the game, but i would like to see some of it modded to make it a little more 'practical', given that most of the female character moddels are highly out of proportion (ritualists especialy, they seem to have very barbie like proportions), more 'correctly supporting' armour would look better.

some of the armour is very beautifull (elite noble mesmer, elite stormforged, elite kurzick assassin and kurzick ranger are some of my favorites), but some, is a little too skimpy for my tastes, and i would like to have the option to have a set that i like more when i start a new char (i deleted a nightfall ele because of this).

at the moment i am farming to change my elementalists armour, as she has ascalonian armour, which i ,admittedly, hate, it looks awfull, and is way too reveling. it is the one set i would seriously rework.
(all my chars have a colour scheme, hers is green, it looks even worse coloured)

one thing i was very happy about recently, was finding out whilst death leveling my perma pre warrior that she is wearing proper underwear and not just the usual 'bikini and thong' that usualy comes as standard on female warriors.

i have worn things that are very close to much of the armour, and 90% of it is highly uncomftable, cold or bending in any way is impossible.

LOL, I have a friend who models for Hallmark cards. She makes her own period attire and takes her husband along when she models to assist with her corset. In the many years she has been working for them she has never been able to convince them that women Never wore a corset to sit side-saddle on the ground under a tree and read a book. So she dutifully wears her corsets and gowns to sit side saddle under a tree - breathlessly waiting her 15 minute per hour break when her husband can follow her to the dressing room and undo her corset and let the blue out of her face.

I do think some of the female models are a little thin, but I have known women who could easily match any of these toons measure for measure. More options in body types would not be a bad thing, but I do not know of any fantasy games, book, or art that does not depict women with good cleavage and a waspish figure - clothed or not.

I would not mind seeing tat designs for all classes and genders - or partial tat+armor pieces.

And as to DSNesnintindo's comments: ROFL.
Some of that may be true, but I know of a few military guys that play and they do not meet that criteria.

Really...
From that I gather that a fantasy simply has to have "fantastic elements". You can have a fantasy without "elves and dragons and such" but instead by having a world with magic. Since I think we've all determined that a "chain-mail bikini" must use magic, it's safe to say that it can be a part of a fantasy world.

Not an option if all you have is Nightfall.

Too bad for you? They do say that if you want full options, you need all 3 campaigns. It's no different when it comes to armour.

Nightfall has ancient, even though its not 1k. If the price is bothering you, I can only say tough luck, if the armor you like is expensive, thats not a problem. Else everyone could complain that their favorite armor is expensive.

Jora is HOT!

Don't bother, it's a sale trick most games use..

As a female gamer i feel i should also contribute my say to this thread

I personally find nothing wrong with the armor. Why dress ingame like you do in the real world? why not go crazy ingame it's not actually YOU thats wearing it afterall
My PvP Warrior has Gladiators armor
My ranger is saving for 15k Druids and my PvP mesmer has Enchantress armor

Don't see anything wrong myself

oh, I also forgot to mention, but I would say Elite Canthan Elementalist is rather modest as well. Just sayin' since no one has mentioned it.

Sorry gal. This is probably the most pointless thread ever because:

1 - Most gamers are guys and like skimpy fem armor - Anet "Knows it's audience".
2 - You chose the sex of your charecters, so you can role a guy if you want (half of my toons are fem because it is nicer to look at for hours, see Tomb Raider).
3 - There are armors you can wear that aren't that revealing (Canthan, Fire Forged).
4 - A cornerstone of the the "Fantasy" genre is scantily clad women with swords. If you don't like it, you can always play Mario Party.

I get dirty whispers on my nec, and they dont bother me. I just say "LoL, thats why I made her that way, scrub."

I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

soo basically "take it and like it bitch" Why not have more options? Would it kill you for there to be more armor? would it ruin your game? While I do understand your point of Anet appealing to the large number of males they should also be considerat enough to the other plays as well.

~the rat~

I want invisible armor for my mesmer though.

Although I do agree that there is a varity issue with some proffessions, mainly paragons, I think the arguement vs skimpy outfits is a bit on the overeacting side, all the proffessions (Other than paragon) Have some choice of both modest, formal style, skimpy armors. Even elementalists. Many male elementalist armors on the other hand sicken me.

You don't seem to get it. I would have no problem with the OPs request if what she is asking for already wasn't in the game. There are modest looking armors to chose from.

I think the OPs issue is there are NOT ENOUGH modest armors in the game, which I have already stated that I disagree with.

I have to say I didn't go through and read everything because it'd take me a few hours to do so, but I did read some of the first and last posts...

That being said, I'm a woman and I love the more skimpy outfits personally, I don't think they have anything to do with strippers either. I'm also a mother of two so don't think it's because I'm a kid or something.

It's a game, they're cartoons, RELAX. If you don't like it don't play, or don't complain, the end.

Shuuda, I was responding to the post above yours, sorry for the confusion.

/NOTSIGNED

I mean BULLSHIT, completely taken out of context + exaggerating the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing truth. Apart the Paragon and Ele female armors, the rest are perfectly acceptable! What the ranger elite druid is no good? If you see movies and other epic fantasy flics, you will see how the Elf archeress and the human archeress dress (hint LotR and King Arthur hint)...

So really stop complaining, you should take the armor as piece of art, you aren't mature enough and complain at a lil' bit of skin showing, I suggest you move on to Hello Kitty or some other crap.

Heh, judging by your language and insults, you don't seem mature enough to understand the issues in this thread yourself. Albeit, a slightly exaggerated issue.

lol go play hello kitty plx

1: it's a game
2: it's a FANTASY game
3: it's a FANTASY GAME with MAGIC
4: it's not Boise, Idaho or Hackensack New Jersey
5: The areas where there's little choice in armor (Elona for paragons and eles), it's HOT. Would you want to wear full robes in the desert? No. Neither do the characters.
6: It's a game directed at younger males. Younger males have testosterone spikes. They want games with sexy women.
7: If you find it offensive seeing an ele dance, don't make her dance. If you see an ele dancing, turn away.
8: If you have a problem with the Female paragon dance, then you need to get off your fat lazy ass and research African tribal dancing, which this dance is directly modeled off of.

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Paragons: angels. Duh. They can run around on high heels with large breasts. Why? Because they're NOT HUMAN. They're heavenly figures resembling humans.
Monk tats: magical wards.
Nec scars: same thing
everything else: eles aren't front liners so they don't need platemail. So, they wear robes that are unbinding so they can concentrate on their magic. If you want modest Ele armor, get Flameforged, Canthan, Obsidian, Kurzick(to a degree), storm(elite) or stone forged, ancient, or primeval. Lots of options.
Same with other casters. Mesmer enchanter armor: Seductive women wear negligee, it's what many males want. Seductive males wear expensive three-piece suits and rely on their face, charm, and show of money. It's what many females want.
Female gladiator armor having the same AL as everything else: It's the tactics and strategy that defend them. Gladiator armor is lighter, helps with maneuverability allowing them to defend with their shield and weapon or agility rather than brute force of a thick heavy peice of metal. This is even explained someplace, I think in the Prophecies game book. I know I read it somewhere. It protects vital areas(shoulders, hips, thigh not protected by the shield) but leaves the rest uncovered for weight savings and maneuverability.

There you go: reality applied to this game in more detail than what is needed. Go take your insecurities elsewhere and cry to your nutritional therapist.

yeah, I didn't read through this whole thing either, but I can get the gist of it. Being in Asheville, NC, one of the capitals of PC, I could see this a mile away.

I don't hear you bitching about the male characters much. The paragon? Last time I saw nipples like that on armor was the Batman and Robin. The male Luxon sin armors are flashing those midsections as much as any fem ranger or sin. Don't get me started about the ambiguous Rit.

as said in another thread, I believe in Riverside, they are athletes. Athletes that run a LOT. Runners are not going to be a size 12. Especially not carrying all that gear. Go look at your average Marine or Trooper. They are about 5'8-5'10 and 140-185 pounds, because they march with 50-80 pounds strapped to them.

As said before, look at what women and men wear in tropic climates. Think about what a warrior would be comfortable with. A ranger is mid-backline, so they don't need the armor of a war.

Finally, Gaming is, to paraphrase the Godfather of Soul, "a man's...man's world."

Thats your excuse. FYI "sexy" is not equal to" less clothes"

Are you unable to express yourself without adding in an insult?

Last time i checked angels were not giggleing and jiggleing blond bimbos running round in high heels.

here we go with the insults again...and the revelance to this thread is?


People are entitled to their opnions, they are entitled to express them here and propose a viable ALTERNATIVE. The Op is not asking for a draconian change just more options. To quote her original post "I am not saying to do away with all the rather showy armor...but instead to introduce some armor..."

as far as i can tell most people are answering "I like boobies, dont complain male para is ghey, i see boobies everywhere (i want to see them in GW too), go away (i like boobies), you are fat and ugly go away (i like boobies), stop insulting the art team (?), its fantasy and fantasy means nearly naked chicks with huge boobies killing stuff, its realistic and in reality these people would look hot, i saw 300 they all fought naked..."


Why should all male armour, regardless of class make them look dangerous/cool (except male para) and 95% of female armour make THEM look...sexy? Just better and more options for us that use female chars LOOK the part is what is being suggested. Dont you people get it? it looks stupid it may (if pixels turn you on...) look "hot" but its just retarded that on the basis that the character is female her armour should therefore have more holes in it that their male equivalent.

Guild Wars is rated T, for teen. Thats 13 years and up. Give it a rest. No matter what, there's always going to be somebody complaining about a simple thing. That age group don't get affected by those things. If they do, there's some issues that should be taken up with parents. But also consider that the majority of players are well above that age. Not only the age, but STOP being so sexist! Come on! We're past being sexist in this age man. The male characters are just as equally "exposed." Good example is the gladiator armor. What do you want? Women to be in snow-suits, all covered up while staring at men? Come off it.

To be a little more cordial, I'll agree with the more variety sentiment and support the personal choice and opinion of wanting more modest armor. I'm all for it...what I'm mostly referring to is the large scale talk of this game catering to horny young men by making all female armor "revealing"...and making the female character meshes "ideal". Sure, they cater to young men. Fine. It sells games, it makes money. But they're not only catering to young men. If that was the case, then all characters would be female, or they'd make all the male characters bland and unexciting. No...they make the warrior males big, buff, imposing. They make the male mesmers and eles(aside from their dance) appealing to the more mature female/homosexual male crowd. They made the male Paragon...which is a Chippendales dancer at best. It's on both sides...not just females. Complain about the lack of armor choices, don't complain about what's already there saying it's inappropriate. I see no armor that shows nips(on a female) or bush, I see no nudity. The jiggle effect...eh. Adds to the realism and is only noticeable when you're looking....so don't look. If you're looking, then either you're interested or you're trolling, searching for stuff to complain about.

I'm a female gamer, and I whole-heartedly approve of (most of) the armor designs. It's a fantasy game, really - and maybe being an attractive, curvy female in skimpy armor is part of the fantasy. Accept and move along, babe.

Existing armor should not be changed to cover more parts of the body. Future armor should include more variety, ranging from full body covering (ie robes, plate-mail, etc) to the types of things the Spartans wore in 300...e.g. bracers, a helm, underwear (underwear on some classes might even need to be shortened to seem less hindering of motion :P), and a shield. I suppose more undergarment + skin tattoo designs would be fine too though.

There is no reason that the game should suddenly switch to content which would merit an "E" ESRB rating. If you have a problem with the existing content because it doesn’t work for your character, that's understandable. Future content should give you more options for art designs. However, if you feel that guild wars has suggestive sexual themes due to the artwork and want the armors changed to cover more of the body, then you're in error for buying a T-rated game. There is no reason they should change their existing content to satisfy a small minority of highly conservative people.

The main reason that A-Net should not change art content is because of this:
"T" Rating:TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

If you bought guild wars, you (should have) understood that the type of game you were buying might include suggestive artwork. Its your fault for buying something that doesn’t fit your taste, not a-net's.

I think I might of already asked this, but im gonna do it again because if I did, no one answered me.

What the hell is this texmod or textmod i hear so much about? Someone tell me what it is and give me a link puh-lee-uhz

Shiverpeaks anyone? I love it when my armour suits my environment. For example! If my ranger is in elona, I might wear something such as 1k luxon, but in the shiverpeaks I would wear my furry armour. Its just nice to have a bit of realism.

The rest of your post completely disgusted me. I am a girl, and all this OP is asking is that you give several opportunities to the more conservative of the community.
/signed. Completely behind you on this idea.

Conservative? Ha! That explains it all.

Here you are, The Lurch.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...-game_graphics

See? With that the fainthearted and those with fake morals can cover up the wondrous models Anet designers made without bothering other kind players.

Shiverpeaks = flameforged armor. Robes. Full coverage. 'nuff said.

And read my last post...i support the desire for more variety. What I'm arguing is the "disgust" the OP has for current armor choices, saying it's inappropriate, when it's quite the opposite. it's fitting for the environment, it's fitting for the genre, and it's fitting for the theme.

Thanks alot! Now i can go screw with my game files wheeeeeeeeee!

Elementalist deal with the elements.
They are the most 'bare' profession, but for them, cold and heat are NOTHING.
They could go naked in Far Shiverpeaks without even noticing the cold, and walk near the magma withouth feeling the burnt... until they get in the magma... everyone has their limits, XD.

Anyone playing this game should know that.

Well that's more than enough proof to explain the choices of elem armor design. Why do elems need coverage then, other than out of modesty's sake?

I live in (NW)England so weather is unpredictable (Joy for north atlantic weather systems)
I don't really want to get in from the rain thats falling 90% of the year, take my coat off sit down to GW and play as someone wrapped up like an Eskimo

I like my skipmy armors. Its a break from real world which is afterall what GW is, a break
I'm a female gamer and personally not offended by seeing skin during a game, i see it everyday getting changed in the real world so why would pixes offend?