Runic Blades drop in EotN? can anyone confirm this?

Holz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foe
Ahh the eternal debate...Marx was correct only once. Your financial situation determines your political views. If your poor, nothing should be rare and fow armour is ugly(oddly enough the same ppl will argue its not accesible to them )
If your rich ecto should be pegged @15k and every weapon in ur inventory should cease to drop for the unworthy. Heres one you can bank on, every mmo company screws their current customers for new ones. I have a good laugh when i see posts insinuating anets reasons for the direction of the economy are in some way ethical instead of marketing. Whatever, GWEN appears to be pretty sweet Wins.

Also I really feel for people who bought rare skins, they get nailed pretty hard... I was actually about to buy a Stygian Reaver for my Monk myself, not going to do that anymore . I wonder what happens to (high-end) trading when minipets also become untradable or character-bound...

@ Herb
"People always ask me to show them my rare shizzle whenever I am in like LA or Ascalon ID1. I get lots of wispers and pms on guru too... I guess people who I dont even know do care about what I own lolz..."

eh, ego ftl.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
People always ask me to show them my rare shizzle whenever I am in like LA or Ascalon ID1. I get lots of wispers and pms on guru too... I guess people who I dont even know do care about what I own lolz...
*snipped because it was friggen long*
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really, I agree with you. having a serpent axe and a dwarven axe now are FTL.

All my expensive items went to a worth of about 5k.

But damn! you've got LOTS of expensive items. I feel for you.

Ghost Recon

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Retribution X
Really, I agree with you. having a serpent axe and a dwarven axe now are FTL.

All my expensive items went to a worth of about 5k.

But damn! you've got LOTS of expensive items. I feel for you. Did you seriously thing those "expensive" items would stay expensive forever?

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holz
Wins.

Also I really feel for people who bought rare skins, they get nailed pretty hard... I was actually about to buy a Stygian Reaver for my Monk myself, not going to do that anymore . I wonder what happens to (high-end) trading when minipets also become untradable or character-bound...

@ Herb
"People always ask me to show them my rare shizzle whenever I am in like LA or Ascalon ID1. I get lots of wispers and pms on guru too... I guess people who I dont even know do care about what I own lolz..."

eh, ego ftl. Character assassination FTL more like it. Been in a guild or 2 with Herb, played with him etc top guy, no doubt, also, no ego.

People like his rare shit, so he obliges them.

Anyway - Smart people know items like Stygian Reavers/Runic Blades etc will always lose value, just not this quick.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon
Did you seriously thing those "expensive" items would stay expensive forever? no, but I didn't think they would lose value overnight... Because if they hadn't started dropping by Nightfall, you kinda figure they wern't going to start anytime soon...

Anet seems to hate grinding for weapons, yet they support grinding for titles.

/sigh

And Herb is an awesome guy. He's roxxors. I hate to see him go.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Couldn't say TBH I've not heard or seen any drop in PvE play.

Safer Saviour

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

I sold it very cheap to revelation, lol. I remember that. I don't play the warior class at all so I had no use for it whatsoever.

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon
Did you seriously thing those "expensive" items would stay expensive forever? I have no problem with natural depreciation. When items become more common over time or where a new chapter's items cause previous chapter's items to become less popular thus leading to a fall in their value.

For example, the year 2 mini pets will fall in price further as more and more people hit the 2nd year mark.

There is a big difference between the above example and completely changing the drop rate and location of an item. I.e. Runic Blades.

I get confused with difference between Runic Blade and Legendary Sword but AFAIK Runics have the same skin as Gothic Swords. Even more reason for Anet not to add them to GWEN. They could have even added inscribable Gothic Swords to GWEN instead. But o no, they had to add the alternate skin which just happened to be worth a ton of gold. That disappoints me. They could have even added the skin to GWEN with another name.

All I ask of Anet as they keep on doing this, is to stop adding rare skins which they decide later they dont want to be rare. Maybe just make all future items common to obtain or something as its a hell of a lot less unfair.

TY for the nice comments about me =)

Edit:

Totally agree with Malice about the unexpected change in value of rare items. If you collect items you can minimise your losses but some things are totally unexpected. E.g. staff change which totally destroyed old staffs value. +45hex --> +60hex was also another unforseeable change.

SPURLUXE

SPURLUXE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Japan

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
Cause players who accumulated alot of gold to buy rare item to lose gold.

Its about what is fair. Anet dont need to keep releasing rare skins then making them common months later. They do this again and again. People buy the skin then it is worthless. lose gold? worthless?
There is the words, "Time is Money".
They payed alot of money to buy rare item early.

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPURLUXE
lose gold? worthless?
There is the words, "Time is Money".
They payed alot of money to buy rare item early. I fail to see how that could apply to Runic Blades. Adding them to GWEN as a droppable item is not natural depreciation. It was an unexpected and unforeseeable change.

*Awaits a load of posts saying it was to be expected etc.*

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
I get confused with difference between Runic Blade and Legendary Sword but AFAIK Runics have the same skin as Gothic Swords.
Legendary Swords have the Gothic skin. Runics have the Mallyx Edge skin.

Ghost Recon

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

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But they aren't droppable in the sence off other gold items, so far runic blades have only been found in dungeon chests and at the minute one dungeon, Frostmaw it is also near imposible to solo and takes time to do. I have done 5 runs and not seen 1 of them drop. Someone in my guild has got one from there and there are reports off others.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
I have no problem with natural depreciation. When items become more common over time or where a new chapter's items cause previous chapter's items to become less popular thus leading to a fall in their value.

Totally agree with Malice about the unexpected change in value of rare items. If you collect items you can minimise your losses but some things are totally unexpected. E.g. staff change which totally destroyed old staffs value. +45hex --> +60hex was also another unforseeable change. What happened in GWEN is bad. max dmg runic blades dropping from monsters is WAY BAD!

If purples dropped from chests, sure, IDK about that. then people who want the skin (Like me...) can get it cheap. But those who invested in a 15>50 max gold version from halls isn't as screwed.

Dropping from monsters is a no-no. a .001% chance to drop from a chest in any given area is ok. (That's 1 in 1000. that's not very common.)

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Couldn't say TBH I've not heard or seen any drop in PvE play. with runic blades dropping in eotn, i guess its just a foregone conclusion that stygians and crystallines will follow.

curious to know if mini ghostly heroes will remain hoh only drops

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
curious to know if mini ghostly heroes will remain hoh only drops
Naw, soon monsters and chests will start dropping minis, as well. xD

Hollow Gein

Hollow Gein

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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^ LOL..wouldn't that be something.

I could care less about a Runic Blade. I'll take a Brute or a Long Sword anyday.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

To all the hardcore traders, you seriously need to play a different game. Guild Wars was never a game for that kind of stuff. It's been years and there still isn't even a decent auction house.

One ridiculous thing about an item being more "prestige" than another is the text that no one will ever notice - tons of people hate req13 items....it's the stuff they spit on. But when a gold is req9, all the sudden is so great and valuable....as someone already mentioned, other players can't even SEE the low req....unless you're the type that likes to show off at every moment. Besides that, the only people running weapon mastery below 12 don't even know how to play the game.

I already said this in another thread - there is no weapon superior to another in this game (except the few uncondtionals). Look at other RPG's where a rare item actually has an advantage over other weapons and it's actually something to show off. Now compare GW where something as ridiculous as text color and a silly number determine how prestige an item is. GW isn't even like most MMORPG's, it's a stragety based team game. Just because that people that play the game the way it's meant to be played now have access to rare skinned weapons doesn't mean you have to throw a fit.

If anything, Anet favors these players more than the farming grinders that can't setup a decent build when it comes to HM pve....or even general pve. I've been in plenty of guilds with farm-addicts that can't even beat any mission for themselves....they need to beg in guild chat for some help on some easy pve mission.

The funny thing is when you see these idiots wearing fow armor.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
Besides that, the only people running weapon mastery below 12 don't even know how to play the game. Thanks for telling me, but I have build I love that have req less that 12. (Mostly because it's a deadly arts sin...)

But we collect for the sake of collecting! Hell, Herb is known for his insane collections! do you think he really *wanted* people to start interrupting his gameplay so they could see what his collection is?

you'd be argueing if you paid X plat for a crafter weapon, and it was reduced to X gold wouldn't you?

Holz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Character assassination FTL more like it. Been in a guild or 2 with Herb, played with him etc top guy, no doubt, also, no ego.

People like his rare shit, so he obliges them.

Anyway - Smart people know items like Stygian Reavers/Runic Blades etc will always lose value, just not this quick. Ofcourse items lose their rarity when the time passes, simply because there are more available after a period of time. I'm sure the first req9 inscribable Crys (somewhere in January, wasn't there when it happened) was worth way more than the 300-400 ecto it's worth atm. But these unexpected changes are just lame.. like when I sold a Guardian of the Hunt for 100k+80ecto about 3 months ago, I actually lost money by selling the same shield for about 100k+20ecto one week later, due to the Kurzick elite mission .

Dont know if this is something new, but someone I know had a req10 Dwarven Axe gold/inscribable dropped from a locked chest. The Runic dropped from the reward chest in a dungeon, I wonder if they also drop from locked chests in GW:EN.. that would be even worse .

TechnoSword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

International SuperStars

W/Mo

So I was vanquishing Varajar Falls when this little bad boy decides to drop....

[riVen]

[riVen]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
If anything, Anet favors these players more than the farming grinders that can't setup a decent build when it comes to HM pve....or even general pve. I've been in plenty of guilds with farm-addicts that can't even beat any mission for themselves....they need to beg in guild chat for some help on some easy pve mission.

The funny thing is when you see these idiots wearing fow armor. Win.



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w00t!

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
@ Shuuda: Nothing effects me really. Inscribable items disgust me so I never owned one. Sucks to all the people who spent hundreds of ecto on a HoH drop only for it to become a common drop.

(snip)

People worked hard for those hundreds of ecto needed to buy one and they (ed-Anet) knew they will fall drastically in price due to making them droppable. In an earlier post you mentioned taking up options trading. Don't do it!

As a former commodities trader, I can tell you that present value has nothing to do with future value. So anyone who complains that they paid X for something and it's now Y should bury their money in the back yard and avoid the markets all together.

When I buy a GW item I do it with the knowledge that it could go up or down in value. In fact, I'm reasonably certain that few things actually increase in value in GW. The only things that do are commonly farmed items that eventually become less commonly farmed (Rajazan's ferver for example) as players move on to other areas.

I have absolutely no sympathy for people who expect Anet to keep items and skins exclusive. Having Sephis Axes drop more frequently in the Northern Shiverpeaks makes sense to me, even if it means that mine will be worth less in the future. And having Runic weapons drop more frequently (gee, Norns are kinda similar to Norsemen) also makes sense.

Agracul

Agracul

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Finland

Me/A

just got a r9 runic balde drop from the wurm cave chest.
so i can truly tell u, YES THEY DO DROP THERE

...but dont tell anyone

Holz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

You, sir, should consider yourself lucky.

Agyar

Agyar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
With Anet if its expensive chances are sooner or later they will do something to completely devalue it.

I would not be suprised if there was inscribable Crystalline drops...

Instead of adding existing weapons thus causing them to devalue drastically they should just make new skins.

But, judging from Anet's efforts in GWEN they must have ran out of ideas for skins and just decided to add HoH drops there instead...

Ive gave up caring now, quiting GW to take up options trading instead. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Obey The Cat

Obey The Cat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

FFS

Rt/N

i love anet for this since i never pvp'ed and will never pvp (except kurzick<->luxon)

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Who values that which they do not have to work for?

Will players really get significant enjoyment out of Runic Blades when they are super-common? I doubt it.

Why make every sought-after skin in the game super-common, then?

The only answer that I can come up with is that ANet is attempting to market to a young audience that has never had to work in order to earn anything.

cryptology

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
The only answer that I can come up with is that ANet is attempting to market to a young audience that has never had to work in order to earn anything. That's a rather ignorant thing to say.

ANet could be trying to advance the community in a way that involves renewal. The impression I'm getting is that Runic Blades have long been a desirable item. Maybe ANet is trying to get people to look at other items... possibly newer ones that we haven't yet seen.

Yeah, it sucks for people who've invested time and money into getting one... but you can't expect things to always go your way.

/insertreallifequote

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Will players really get significant enjoyment out of Runic Blades when they are super-common? I doubt it. Well... I mean, I get a lot of enjoyment out of my r13 inscribable Sephis Axe I payed a whole 3k for. Oh yeah, and that collector's Lion Shield - love it. Wouldn't give it up for anything.

I couldn't care less about how common or rare something is, except that it is an obstacle of payment between me and the skin I want.

Honestly, it becomes much easier to accept that way of thinking when you stop caring what everyone else thinks of you and your virtual gear.

cryptology

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Well... I mean, I get a lot of enjoyment out of my r13 inscribable Sephis Axe I payed a whole 3k for. Oh yeah, and that collector's Lion Shield - love it. Wouldn't give it up for anything.

I couldn't care less about how common or rare something is, except that it is an obstacle of payment between me and the skin I want.

Honestly, it becomes much easier to accept that way of thinking when you stop caring what everyone else thinks of you and your virtual gear. Kudos.

It only matters to me how it looks... to me. That is, unless I'm trying to work the market. Just then does it matter what everyone else thinks.

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
With Anet if its expensive chances are sooner or later they will do something to completely devalue it.

I would not be suprised if there was inscribable Crystalline drops...

Instead of adding existing weapons thus causing them to devalue drastically they should just make new skins.

But, judging from Anet's efforts in GWEN they must have ran out of ideas for skins and just decided to add HoH drops there instead...

Ive gave up caring now, quiting GW to take up options trading instead. QQ more please, this game was never intended for you to horde things for wealth.

ManiakMogg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

It's a fake...

Firstly,if it was true, the screenshot wouldn't show "xxx PICKED UP the runic blade" but "monster DROPPED the runic blade".

-> No one had prove it since the rumor's birth.

Secondly, people who are saying that they dropped one are poor people who want to buy one.

And finally, if we can see always someone selling it at ascalon inter 1, it's because all rich people which had the runic blade have been frightened to lost their because of the rumor ectos and so they wantto sell their blades fast.

So gg at men who have succeed in making this fake "true".

cryptology

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManiakMogg
Firstly,if it was true, the screenshot wouldn't show "xxx PICKED UP the runic blade" but "monster DROPPED the runic blade".

-> No one had prove it since the rumor's birth. Errr... doesn't it say both?

And just because it drops, doesn't mean it isn't a rare drop. You can't expect a slough of screenies of it in one day.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

Collecting "rare" items is playing a minigame inside the GW game.

I think that this minigame has been created by the collectors, who decided that some items were more desirable than others and consequently more valuable.
A.net played some role in this, giving them the idea that this was true, now they feel betrayed.


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Personally, I find the whole concept of "unique" items quite disturbing.

The collector is just slightly interested in the skin of what he's collecting and how it looks when equipped (a crystalline is a piece of broken glass with a wooden handle, with a very poor poligonal model).

The only important thing is that only the collector owns the item, when other players have it too, the item becomes junk.

The collector is not interested in having the item, his main concern is that other players don't have it.

The value of his item is given by the unaccessibility of it to other players. Once this unaccessibility ends, the item is totally devalued.


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The other disturbing thing is that those items are rarely directly obtained by the collector by normal drop or HoH drop. In most cases, they are bought for hundreds or thousands of ectos, which are obtained farming or trading.

I can't see any special achievement in this, it's just a show of the ability to hoard gold in whatever way.


I also collect some r8 and r9 perfect inscribable and not skins, I was able to buy sephis axe, stormbow, zodiac bow and sword, and I've never paid more than 100-150k for each and that's why I bought.

Nevertheless, no item gives me a greater feeling than my old Victo's shield, which is now laughable, but I actually got it on my own, after several runs in ToPK. It's my Victo shield, I don't care if everyone has, that one was my personal drop.


Maybe A.net should put in game more items like that, maybe accessible only when you get some max titles like guardian or vanquisher, in my opinion they would really give a greater sense of accomplishment because you actually struggled to get them.

Ghost Recon

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManiakMogg
It's a fake...

Firstly,if it was true, the screenshot wouldn't show "xxx PICKED UP the runic blade" but "monster DROPPED the runic blade".

-> No one had prove it since the rumor's birth.

Secondly, people who are saying that they dropped one are poor people who want to buy one.

And finally, if we can see always someone selling it at ascalon inter 1, it's because all rich people which had the runic blade have been frightened to lost their because of the rumor ectos and so they wantto sell their blades fast.

So gg at men who have succeed in making this fake "true".
First you're an idiot, there are loads of screenshots about and they are dropping from dungeon chests, I have seen two of them drop. Also just look at High end last night there was 9 Runic Blades for sale on the first two pages .

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

ok frist thing frist the dungen chest's are like the hoh chest in almost everyway!!!! i woul dnot be surpised if they added a new mini to drop from the chest or the ghostly hero. becuz so far the chest both chest are the same ecept for the whole mini and sigil and flames thing which is pvp only thing anyways that pve players would not want.

things i can clerify that i have seen i did dungen runs all weekend played about 18 hours stright for the frist couple of hours!!! then took a 5 hour nap and played to weekend ended> just to get the most out of the weekend and get the good stuff!! so i was playing and been like 10 dungen runs and what poped out of a dungen end chest a diamond and a sephis swords req 13 !! and i was lik @###**@!! lol sorry !

so yes i know that does drop



ohh and infuse god get a grib either a your the poor person that plays about 3 hours a week or b the poor person that sits in goa stillll shouting looking for group for mallyx the unyeilding!!!!!!! lol like all the poor noobs try ing to make 100k like it alot of money i spent over 800 ecto this weekedn on lock picks and what every else i could buy. ohh giving away like 100ecto in picks to friends of mine close 8 friends in my guild!

so runic blades and crys and sephis do drop are dropping(til about 4 hours ago when they kicked us out) and will drop again but the prices wont go down to much so guess what you still cant afford one
next me and friends 8 of us go in again for more runs when i wake up was doing a run in 35 min about and my friend geta req 10 runic blade!! so he was excited to all!!!

and from what i can tell plat staffs are common or more common i got about 18 of them about 3 req 9 and a req 8 the whole weekend along with 2 wand and 1 sword

now as for the crstalylines >>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<........ just say like i did before the hoh chest and dungen chest all can drop the same golds non max chest like hoh too might i add and no i did not get one and no its not a rumor i had a party member get it trying to get him to take a screeny but he sold it fast he is worried that prices for everything is going to bomb so much lie every one is is thinking!!! ok anyways that will clear thing up you can call it what you want but one thing is for sure i opned that chest at least 35 times with mostly 8 same pople at fdifferent times some all the same time so figure 280 chest opens and only saw 3 rar skins. so prices on them going down>... yeah how much not by alot becuz out of the 3 rares i saw non where req 9

all my plate weapons where form locked chest and may i add i opened a good 500 of those and only got about 20 good skins and only one really good one

i know its long and spellign sucks but i dont care try to read it all hahahahahahahahahaha

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Who values that which they do not have to work for?

Will players really get significant enjoyment out of Runic Blades when they are super-common? I doubt it.

Why make every sought-after skin in the game super-common, then?

The only answer that I can come up with is that ANet is attempting to market to a young audience that has never had to work in order to earn anything. or, maybe its to push out the old rare crap to make way for new rare crap?

I'm happy with my katana, my Ungues of the Forgotten and my Ironwing Flatbow thank you

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

I had a Gold R9 Fellblade and a Collosal Scimitar drop for me from end of dungeon chests yesterday, both gold, both inscribable.

I've sold the Fellblade because I think its ugly as sin but I'm hanging on to the Collossal because I like it, the fact that someone wants to pay me a tidy sum for the fellblade just makes it sweeter for me.

I could probably sell the Collossal for a decent amount too but I happen to like it, anyone who wants to be a ponce and show off their uber l33t rare weapon to his other equally penile challenged friends is fine with me, I'll gladly sell them my finds

ManiakMogg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon
First you're an idiot, there are loads of screenshots about and they are dropping from dungeon chests, I have seen two of them drop. Also just look at High end last night there was 9 Runic Blades for sale on the first two pages . So show me this screenshots...
It's not because people say "I see that" that it's real. I believe what I see. And as i said, no one prove it since the beginning of the rumor.
And i would like to know why am i an idiot, if i am.