Runic Blades drop in EotN? can anyone confirm this?
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by Agyar
I want to spend all my ecto first.Standard troll response to someone leaving though... Its kinda old aswell maybe a new response it needed.
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Originally Posted by pork soldier
QQ more please, this game was never intended for you to horde things for wealth.
Please explain why?
As I would love to hear your explanation as to why it is not. I am sure Anet never thought for one minute that making items which drop like never and only a dozen or so exist is not going to cause them to be highly desirable and collectable... The recent addition of mini pets in limited numbers would suggest otherwise.
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
I want to spend all my ecto first.Standard troll response to someone leaving though... Its kinda old aswell maybe a new response it needed. |
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Please explain why?
As I would love to hear your explanation as to why it is not. I am sure Anet never thought for one minute that making items which drop like never and only a dozen or so exist is not going to cause them to be highly desirable and collectable... The recent addition of mini pets in limited numbers would suggest otherwise. The games initial idea was to make things available to everyone, they succeeded in this by the sheer fact that you can make PvP characters and the max for all weapons are maxed and thats it... better skins are there for people that want them, they are, however, not a necessity and you station they are is just more flamebait... This isn't WoW or Lineage 2, you don't need a Runic Blade when a Shortsword will do... you want it, good for you, but stating that ANet is in the wrong for putting a lil gem in for those that want to go out of the way and then making that gem more available to make way for other lil gems is stupid, immature and penile... My old man reccomendation of the day? Go and get a real life job, and maybe snag a social life at the same time and see if you have the time to grind for those things that mean nothing Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Foe
Ahh the eternal debate...Marx was correct only once. Your financial situation determines your political views. If your poor, nothing should be rare and fow armour is ugly(oddly enough the same ppl will argue its not accesible to them
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Nah there are many political views that are not governed by wealth, liberalism says something about responsability and the way you (choose) to live, enviromentalists put sustainability up front, andboth poor and rich will follow the same ideology. He was just right if there was a limited choice system, being either communist/socialist or capitalist.
Daenara
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Originally Posted by ManiakMogg
It's a fake...
Firstly,if it was true, the screenshot wouldn't show "xxx PICKED UP the runic blade" but "monster DROPPED the runic blade". A monster didn't drop it though. They're saying that it dropped as a quest reward from the quest chest. Try it yourself and see, it doesn't say what was dropped, only mentions when someone picks it up!
O Nuxtofulakas
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
If Anet stopped adding rare skins and they all had an equal drop rate I would be happy as at least people would not be screwed over. Anet need to make their mind up. Do they want rare skins or not? As they sure as hell dont seem to have made their mind up at the moment. Anet should stop changing its mind every few months about what they want as rare. That way threads like this wont pop up and annoy lots of players. /signed ...so anyone knows what is "rare" anymore? (/sarcasm)
Retribution X
IMHO, req 9 shouldn't drop elsewhere then HoH. or maybe non-max ones can drop in PvE.
Something that's won't jack with rare prices too much.
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Maybe if you don't give people ammo they wouldn't troll... especially a mod should know not to feed the damn trolls
The games initial idea was to make things available to everyone, they succeeded in this by the sheer fact that you can make PvP characters and the max for all weapons are maxed and thats it... better skins are there for people that want them, they are, however, not a necessity and you station they are is just more flamebait... This isn't WoW or Lineage 2, you don't need a Runic Blade when a Shortsword will do... you want it, good for you, but stating that ANet is in the wrong for putting a lil gem in for those that want to go out of the way and then making that gem more available to make way for other lil gems is stupid, immature and penile... My old man reccomendation of the day? Go and get a real life job, and maybe snag a social life at the same time and see if you have the time to grind for those things that mean nothing I loled. And you base this reccomendation on what you know about me? Or is it based on generalisations? Do you know how much I play GW, do you know if I have a social life? do you know if I have a job? etc. Your reccomendation must be based on the fact I am rich and that must mean I spent 12 hours a day farming as that is the only way people can get rich... Generalisations are 1337 =) Your "lil gem" argument is weird and confusing. Please rephrase it as I cant work out what you are trying to say. Am I right in saying you mean: - I am immature and stupid for saying it is unfair for Anet to recently introduce a rare HoH drop and then deciding to make it a rediculously common drop? I would rather Anet make every drop common so players cant lose gold. This is better than Anet releasing rare skins then making them common all the time.
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
1, your poor spelling, which makes me cranky 2, I have flu, which makes me real cranky 3, the fact its a stupid game and not real life...
Turma
First of all, I want to state that I am a common player, have 2 plats of money and only a few green weapons.
But, I do have to agree with Herbalizer. Think it this way: You want a Ferrari F50 for example. You could have a Kia Cee'd and it would do just fine, but you want a Ferrari F50, as it has perfect stats and the skin is so cool..and because it is Ferrari F50 and not Kia Cee'd. Ok, so you work years to get the money for it, and then you buy it. Just to wake up in the morning on familiar motor sound and see your neighbour has a Ferrari F50 mark II. You go and ask where did he get it and he answers that the motorshop up north sells them for 499$ and it has only 50hp less than the original Ferrari F50. And then you start to see those Ferrari F50 mark II's everywhere and you start to think you should have sticked with the Kia Cee'd...at least it is not common car... Ok, enough of joking. When you gain something that you have worked hard for, and see it's value drop drastically, it is a pain in a butt, if it was a GW weapon, a car, a girlfriend or anything else. Therefore, having Runic Blades dropping at GW:EN is like ANet kicking Runic Blade owners to the nuts and shouting "You got served!" As for the PvP only matter, Runic Blade comparison Mallyx's Edge has the same skin as Runic Blade, and can be obtained by PvE players with almost same struggle as playing HoH...almost. I hope we can agree now
King's Spectre
I'd be just as happy if they only dropped as r11 purples outside HoH but I'm glad to have a shot at a few of my favorite skins now.
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Its based on three things...
1, your poor spelling, which makes me cranky 2, I have flu, which makes me real cranky 3, the fact its a stupid game and not real life... 1. Yes, because all adults can spell perfectly... Poor spellling = No social life + No job? Interesting. 2. Go see a doctor. 3. O I get about x1000 times more worked up irl when rich people are screwed over i.e. inheritence tax. I wana be a tax solicitor to ensure rich people pay less taxes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed with Turma. Anet should just stop making rare items and just make them common. Would save alot of people alot of hastle and loss of gold.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Turma
And then you start to see those Ferrari F50 mark II's everywhere and you start to think you should have sticked with the Kia Cee'd...at least it is not common car... Ok, enough of joking. When you gain something that you have worked hard for, and see it's value drop drastically, it is a pain in a butt, if it was a GW weapon, a car, a girlfriend or anything else. When the first CD player was introduced onto the market in 1982, it sold for $900 USD. It was big, clunky, and had all sorts of issues, but it was the first. People who bought it were the elite as far as audio was concerned. A few years later, you could buy one for about $200. A few years after that, $50. Obviously, mass production, better materials, and better technology made it possible for lower prices, and paved the way for everyone to own one. This was clearly a good thing. Not everyone desires a Ferrari F50. If everyone could afford one, few would still own one. Many desire a luxury car, so car companies try hard to release luxury cars at more affordable prices, and they are a huge success. Anet knows if the masses want something, it must become more readily available. Those who originally acquired that something when it was much harder to get can still say they were "one of the first," or "one of the original," if they so choose. It's a kind of bragging rights. Now, the biggest problem with these analogies is what I mentioned earlier - this is a game. In real life, we are expected to work hard, or work smart, and earn our wealth. It keeps everything in check. It's a reward in life for an honest living. One of the luxuries we earn is entertainment. A video game is one such luxury. Many of us work the rat race during our everyday lives, and we would like to escape it when we sit down at Guild Wars. That said, Anet understands this, and tries to appease both groups - those who want to enjoy the game and the goodies it has to offer, and those who want their ultra-rare elite CD players. Having really rare items in the game that eventually become more common is a great way to do that. It means you can't just horde a rare item and expect to have its value frozen. Even that Ferrari will devalue over time simply because you own it. Time makes fools of us all, they say. Sorry for the long post, I'm a bit tired. I hope it made sense.
Knight_Blazer
In my opinion the old owners of these runic blades who get screwed represent a really low % compared to the casual players who benefit from these new drops. So I don't even if those old owners do quit it'll affect the game much. I have been wanting to buy a Mallyx Reaver and a Tormented Scythe but both dropped prices recently, I do wish items value were more stable because I just hesitate to buy them. I'm more pissed off at the constant ecto price drop. Economiy needs stability badly.
nem coke
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Originally Posted by Knight_Blazer
In my opinion the old owners of these runic blades who get screwed represent a really low % compared to the casual players who benefit from these new drops. So I don't even if those old owners do quit it'll affect the game much. I have been wanting to buy a Mallyx Reaver and a Tormented Scythe but both dropped prices recently, I do wish items value were more stable because I just hesitate to buy them. I'm more pissed off at the constant ecto price drop. Economiy needs stability badly.
/agree 100% (bloody 12 characters)
Ben-A-BoO
I enjoyed this thread enormously, even if I had the odd feeling I have read this thread before (Dejavu?).
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
Contradicting views with good arguments. Sometimes even beautifully written: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...7&postcount=23 But now to my point. I wanted to second Herbalizer: Quote: People are grinding to buy a cool skin. They spend dozens of hours grinding for it. Anet know this will happen when they made the drop rate low. Tons of people grind and grind to get the skin. Then a few months later Anet decide they dont want it to be rare. Is that fair that Anet have done that? Anet should never have made the skin rare in the first place. |
Another example:
Aureate Aegis
I was spending around two months focused farming and trading to make my PvE Paragon ready to enter pvp...
So i needed a set of 12 shields (com & mot) with the appropiate stats (req9 and 6 x +10 AL vs type of damage).
Of course I wanted to be looking before I die
So the obvious choice (for me) was the Aureate Aegis skin.I did spent round about 440 K on those shields.
(round 20 K for the skin ... round 15 K for a +30 HP Handle ... round 5 K for the inscription ... one was still missing)
Then I discovered this weekend that the Aureate Aegis skin is a collectors shield in GW:EN
The stats even better: req 9 (motivation) +30HP with inscription slot.
Marduc Snakeslayer hands them over for 5 stone summit emblems, which can be farmed with ease in the Killroy Stoneskin Solo quest.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?i...teaegistx4.jpg
So instead of 440 K and "two months" I would have gotten there with 60 K for the inscriptions and "two days" of knuckle fighting.
Though here I have to contradict Herbalizer:
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
They are driving players away from the game through doing shit like that. Making the skin common to begin with wont piss people off and make them quit.
What I did was let out a long sigh and got the last one in my collection (finally) and even better...
I find my "vs. blunt damage" quickly in my inventory because it is the only one that is not golden  I knew from the beginning I was "wasting" time grinding for vanity in a e-game. Thanks for your time and heads up, Timebandit
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
When the first CD player was introduced onto the market in 1982, it sold for $900 USD. It was big, clunky, and had all sorts of issues, but it was the first. People who bought it were the elite as far as audio was concerned. A few years later, you could buy one for about $200. A few years after that, $50. Obviously, mass production, better materials, and better technology made it possible for lower prices, and paved the way for everyone to own one. This was clearly a good thing. Not everyone desires a Ferrari F50. If everyone could afford one, few would still own one. Many desire a luxury car, so car companies try hard to release luxury cars at more affordable prices, and they are a huge success. Anet knows if the masses want something, it must become more readily available. Those who originally acquired that something when it was much harder to get can still say they were "one of the first," or "one of the original," if they so choose. It's a kind of bragging rights. Now, the biggest problem with these analogies is what I mentioned earlier - this is a game. In real life, we are expected to work hard, or work smart, and earn our wealth. It keeps everything in check. It's a reward in life for an honest living. One of the luxuries we earn is entertainment. A video game is one such luxury. Many of us work the rat race during our everyday lives, and we would like to escape it when we sit down at Guild Wars. That said, Anet understands this, and tries to appease both groups - those who want to enjoy the game and the goodies it has to offer, and those who want their ultra-rare elite CD players. Having really rare items in the game that eventually become more common is a great way to do that. It means you can't just horde a rare item and expect to have its value frozen. Even that Ferrari will devalue over time simply because you own it. Time makes fools of us all, they say. Sorry for the long post, I'm a bit tired. I hope it made sense. If Anet knows the masses all want a certain something and that eventually they will give in to their whining then they should not make that certain item rare in the first place... All I ask of Anet as they keep doing this is stop adding rare skins which are made common not long after. Just make them common to begin with. It causes a whole lot less hassle, people wont winge because they cannot afford them and people wont winge because yet again their items' value is screwed with. Your example didnt really work. Runic Blade - CD Player is more like this: - CD player is released at $900. Only a few hundred thousand sell. 2 months later the market is flooded with tens of millions of identical CD players for $50 each.
korcan
if anet does intend to make hoh only drops "fairly easily" attainable in gwen, why stop at weapons?
how about minis? lol wtb mini panda 5k ShadowbaneX
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
CD player is released at $900. Only a few hundred thousand sell. 2 months later the market is flooded with tens of millions of identical CD players for $50 each.
And this is where your example fails. Everyone knows never buy first gen technology. It's always way too expensive and way too buggy. You wait a few months for the supply to build up and for the bugs to be found and worked out. Granted, these are game items so there are no more bugs, but eventually the supply should go up. Basically what you're saying is "I was here first, and I spent alot of money. Other people that have to follow me have to pay as much as I did." That isn't the way the economy normally works. Capitalism and free enterprise and all that fun stuff. You're paying more to have it first. Eventually, it should happen that the prices come down. Look at the PS3s and the XBox. When they first came out there was only a HIGHLY limited supply. People obtained them through various means (HoH) and then resold them for hugh profits (EBay). Eventually more were produced and more people could get them (and the price dropped).
Another point is the PvP influence on PvE. People have been shouting for years to have PvP removed from the purely PvE aspect of Favour. If we follow this trend then why would something that's solely PvE (weapons skins, etc.), be only found in a PvP environment? Put Runic Blades, Dwarven Axes, and whatever else, in PvE zones and actually let the PvE community get them. I play this game for PvE, I've never even tried TA, and I only even got there because I was really, really bored one afternoon. Why should I, as a PvE player have to depend on the PvP community for PvE items, and at extreme expense?
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX
Another point is the PvP influence on PvE. People have been shouting for years to have PvP removed from the purely PvE aspect of Favour. If we follow this trend then why would something that's solely PvE (weapons skins, etc.), be only found in a PvP environment? Put Runic Blades, Dwarven Axes, and whatever else, in PvE zones and actually let the PvE community get them. I play this game for PvE, I've never even tried TA, and I only even got there because I was really, really bored one afternoon. Why should I, as a PvE player have to depend on the PvP community for PvE items, and at extreme expense? I pre-ordered my PS2 so was one of the first to own it. £300 it cost around October or something (I cant remember as many yrs ago). At Easter the price was brought down to £250 I believe. Few months later £200. Do I have a problem with that? No. What I would have a problem with is: - I buy the PS2 pre-order for £300 and when it comes to Easter they are £50. Anet done this with the Runic Blades. They make them rare and costing like 200e. They knew before introducing them that if they are rare they would be desirable. They added them anyway. After adding them they could see hundreds of ecto are changing hands for them. They decide to go ahead with making them a common drop in GWEN. This isnt normal depreciation which GW player's should expect. It was unforeseeable. Anet make future skins either common or rare. Dont change your mind afterwards please. Is there a problem with asking that? Or unexpected changes fair and a good idea? Please no more: - Anet add x skin which is a really rare drop. The really rare drop due to being rare sells for many hundreds of ecto. Anet decide a few months later for reasons unknown to us to make it a common drop. Instead it would be better to: - Anet add x skin which is a common drop. *Nothing bad happens, noone complains, no crying etc.* Its not too hard to ask that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would you object to the following regarding PVP only drops? 1/2 the number of Crystallines, Dwarvens etc drop from HoH chest. The other 1/2 are added as completely random drops in PVE areas. The same number of Crystalline etc. drop as before but they are also available also to pvers. Or how about: - The HoH only skins drop in PVE but only in purple. That way they are cheaper and can be modded to whatever you want. Purple are also waaaaay cheaper than gold thus pleasing the casual gamer. Purple inscribable Runic Blades would not have been a problem. Safer Saviour
Firstly, Runic blades and Ele swords, from what I've seen are not a common drop. As far as I know they drop only from the Frostmaw's Burrows end chest and even then, only very infrequently. You're overestimating the supply, over half the player based seemed to be doing GWEN this weekend and how many of them got the rare skins?
Secondly, if the items that dropped from that chest were purple, no one would bother with the dungeon and that would ruin the play experience for the casual player. notrich
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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
Naw, soon monsters and chests will start dropping minis, as well. xD
So I should sell my mini-gwen now and then re-buy later?
It is a shame that they don't go to the local college and get some free consultation on economics. Heck splurge for a pizza Anet! Anet: Game economies matter... you devalue your game when you make amateur economic decisions.
Vl Vl D
I thought this game was based on skill and not just how many ecto stacks we can have.All anet need to do now is lower the 15k armour to 1.5k and give me a refund.
korcan
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Originally Posted by Safer Saviour
it takes roughly 1-2 hours for a deep run depending on pug/guild/alliance competence. the most valuable items from that chest are req9 zodiac swords and req9 str zodiac shields, which sell for maybe 100k. ive done countless deep runs and have never gotten a req9 sword or req9 str shield. frostmaws burrow takes less then an hour and with new skills/build releases itll probably take even less time. once gwen is released, massive frostmaws dungeon farming will kill the price of runic blades, making them around 50k for a req9 imo. i dont really care either way but 50k for a req9 runic blade? i kinda feel bad for people that spent endless hours farming that bought them for 100k+xxxectos.
Vl Vl D
This has happend to alot of weapons and realy its like my Ma says same sh*t deferent smell.I think its the time that people spent on the grind for these nice things thats does suck.
Safer Saviour
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Originally Posted by korcan
ill give you a little example. the deep. its an elite area and in hm the end chest spawn provides players with inscribable zodiac items. afaik, its the only place you can get inscribable zodiac items, maybe hoh chest as well.
it takes roughly 1-2 hours for a deep run depending on pug/guild/alliance competence. the most valuable items from that chest are req9 zodiac swords and req9 str zodiac shields, which sell for maybe 100k. ive done countless deep runs and have never gotten a req9 sword or req9 str shield. frostmaws burrow takes less then an hour and with new skills/build releases itll probably take even less time. once gwen is released, massive frostmaws dungeon farming will kill the price of runic blades, making them around 50k for a req9 imo. i dont really care either way but 50k for a req9 runic blade? i kinda feel bad for people that spent endless hours farming that bought them for 100k+xxxectos. I don't run The Deep but I do run Urgoz fairly often and have gotten quite a few nice value things from them. HM takes around 2-3 hours in a PuG sometimes more sometimes less and there are lots of monsters and a few high-end chests too, so it's rare that the end gold is the only thing of any value that you pick up. Unlike The Deep and Urgoz, the end weapon is not one of a specific set (Zodiac, Runic etc.). Sure it's gold (or even a rare crafting material) but it appears that it could be anything and how many different skins, reqs, mods, inscriptions and combinations thereof can you imagine? I bet it's more than just that req9 Runic. You're WAY more likely to get a req9 Zodiac Sword from The Deep or Urgoz than you are to get a req9 Runic Blade from Frostmaw's. LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
@ Shuuda: Nothing effects me really. Inscribable items disgust me so I never owned one. Sucks to all the people who spent hundreds of ecto on a HoH drop only for it to become a common drop. Anet knew full well what the result of making them drop in GWEN. Non inscribable undroppable items = ftw in terms of investment.
Anet should just have designed new skins instead of jacking skins especially rare skins and making them alot less rarer. I really do not know what Anet's fixation is with screwing people over knowing that they will be. Adding Runic Blades as a HoH drop obviously will lead to high prices. That was 100% foreseeable. Then making them a drop in GWEN. That is 100% forseeable that it will cause their price to drop. Kinda bizarre why they feel the need to do that :S It wasnt a needed change. People worked hard for those hundreds of ecto needed to buy one and they knew they will fall drastically in price due to making them droppable. Just look at what happened to Serpent Axes and the Canthan version wasnt even the same appearance as inscribable HoH only version. @Makosi: Yeah I would bet they are or will be. What with them being a 400e weapon in R9. We really cant be having that now in Guild Wars!!! Expensive weapons in GW O__o Dwarven Axes are dropping inscribable too from what I have gathered. Maybe Crystalline are going to drop common too. Herbalizer, you are so goddamn cool. How'd you get so cool? How'd you strike that perfect balance of aloofness and cynicism that makes it sound like absolutely nothing will ever be good enough for you? ShadowbaneX
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
What I would have a problem with is: - I buy the PS2 pre-order for £300 and when it comes to Easter they are £50. |
I want a PS2. I realise that it's going to be very expensive. I sit and wait for a few months and the price drops. I get it after other people, but I also save a heck of alot of money. There's a saying "good, fast, or cheap, pick two." It's obviously 'good' and you opted for 'fast' therefore 'cheap' was left out. Others would do the opposite. You wanted it as soon as it came out and you paid to get it. If the price drops, it drops, you made your choice.[/quote]
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Anet make future skins either common or rare. Dont change your mind afterwards please. Is there a problem with asking that? Or unexpected changes fair and a good idea? I think you're too closely defining 'thought' or 'idea'. They do something and all of a sudden they're not allowed to change it? If that were the case the AI wouldn't flee from AoE, IWAY would still be a pain, RitSpike and all those other FOTM builds would be a menace in PvP, etc. It isn't just common or rare, black or white. There's a whole lot more grey out there. If ANet wants to make the change and put certain skins in different areas, I'm all for it.
You went ahead and bought it and are now complaining that a better deal has come along. The only other thing I can add is "haste makes waste". You rushed ahead and bought it at it's peak, you made that choice. I'll admit, I really liked the Runic Blade skin as well, and I was tempted to buy it. I've farmed Fissure and UW, I've bought Obsidian armour (and not through EBay), I could have afforded a Runic Blade as well. But I didn't want to (partially because it would likely have bankrupted me, and while I don't mind farming every now and then, the grind farming annoys me). I chose instead to wait. Now there's a chance that the price on these blades might come down and I can buy one. Why shouldn't I get a bargain for waiting for the economy to change? Why should ANet sit there and institute a protection plan for the market, to cover those that already have massive fortunes?
It seems to me to be a bit of e-peening. "Look, I have this increadibly rare skinned weapon and armour and you don't! Therefore I'm better then you! A-hahahaha!" When I buy weapons and armour, I buy stuff that I like the look of. When I was looking into swords for my warrior, Runic was one that I liked. It was too expensive, so what did I do instead? I went with Gothic Sword. Why? I like swords that look like swords. I don't like FDSs, Platinum Blades, Tormented Swords, Elemental Swords, etc. My reason for wanting a Runic Blade? Because I like the way it looks, not because it's uber-rare.
My monk, the character that got my one set of Obsidian has two other sets: Tyrian and Kurzick (not the elite). Why? Because I liked those sets and didn't like the elite ones. Oh, and I do like the Monk Obsidian, that's why she has it, no other reason.
I made a second warrior, an axe warrior, this time a female character (my sword warrior is male). What armour does she wear? Istani. Why? Because I can't afford obsidian or glad's or other elite armour? No, because I like the way Istani looks and I don't like the other stuff. Oh, and Axe Warrior's weapon (get ready for some irony): Runic Axe. Isn't that fun? Runic Swords and Runic Axes. I just happen to like both. They're both 'rare' skins. They only difference is that one happens to drop in Factions and someone decided for some reason only to include it in HoH chests. I don't see why ANet shouldn't change their minds.
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I would, but only to myself cause it'd be my own fault. I've bought items that were once a little high priced....when I decided to resell them, they weren't much anymore. Just about everything will eventually go down in price.|
Would you object to the following regarding PVP only drops? 1/2 the number of Crystallines, Dwarvens etc drop from HoH chest. The other 1/2 are added as completely random drops in PVE areas. The same number of Crystalline etc. drop as before but they are also available also to pvers. Or how about: - The HoH only skins drop in PVE but only in purple. That way they are cheaper and can be modded to whatever you want. Purple are also waaaaay cheaper than gold thus pleasing the casual gamer. Purple inscribable Runic Blades would not have been a problem. Yeah, I would sorta object to that. Not that I wouldn't mind having a Purple Runic, I do mostly only care about how a blade looks, but it's a matter of why? Why should PvP have sole access to PvE items? Why should PvE be screwed out of getting gold versions of some weapons? So other people that want to buy stuff don't have to spend as much money as you? Sounds rather selfish if you ask me.
Cathode_Reborn
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The only answer that I can come up with is that ANet is attempting to market to a young audience that has never had to work in order to earn anything.
Sorry, you got it reversed - usually it's the kids that buy rare items so they can constantly show it off to people who don't care at all. Usually they're the ones complaining when all the sudden their weapon isn't the "cool thing on the block" anymore. Besides, don't even try to involve "work" when it comes getting an item. When you're "working" for something that costs 100k+xxx, it usualy involves repetitive braindead farming for countless hours.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
The collector is not interested in having the item, his main concern is that other players don't have it.
That hits the nail right on the head. Heavy traders are often not interested in the skin itself, but the text on it and how rare it is.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9
You know what makes an item rare to me? Me not seeing one. You know what makes an item rare for you? You being the only one to have one You know what makes an item retain its rarity to me? Me not making any effort to ever get one You know what makes an item retain its rarity to you? You being the only one to have one |
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Does that get you upset. Get over yourselves and play the game! Bunch of whiney little babies,QQ over everything...
QFT... Rarity is a game for the vain. It only means something when there are other people to 'ooo' & 'ahh' over your loot.
korcan
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Originally Posted by Safer Saviour
Unlike The Deep and Urgoz, the end weapon is not one of a specific set (Zodiac, Runic etc.). Sure it's gold (or even a rare crafting material) but it appears that it could be anything and how many different skins, reqs, mods, inscriptions and combinations thereof can you imagine? I bet it's more than just that req9 Runic. You're WAY more likely to get a req9 Zodiac Sword from The Deep or Urgoz than you are to get a req9 Runic Blade from Frostmaw's.
easy dungeon access and henchability compared to deep and urgoz limited accessibility and pug necessity will cause runic blades to drop drastically in price. i dont really think it will matter what else comes out of the end chest. with the sheer amount of people that will eventually start farming it, prices will take a nose dive.
LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by notrich
Anet:
Game economies matter... you devalue your game when you make amateur economic decisions. So an "amateur economic decision" is one that doesn't act in your favor? How can you call it amateur or even negative when the change very clearly shifts the economy away from barter (ectos) to currency (gold)? Seeing as everyone can get gold and only high-end farmers ever even see an ecto drop, this sounds to me like a very good economic decision.
And for the record, no, game economies do not matter. It's monopoly money.
Game economies matter... you devalue your game when you make amateur economic decisions. So an "amateur economic decision" is one that doesn't act in your favor? How can you call it amateur or even negative when the change very clearly shifts the economy away from barter (ectos) to currency (gold)? Seeing as everyone can get gold and only high-end farmers ever even see an ecto drop, this sounds to me like a very good economic decision.
And for the record, no, game economies do not matter. It's monopoly money.
manitoba1073
I hate to bust more peoples bubbles, but they were originally PvE items then removed from PvE. Anet finally fixed there stupidness on that idea and its about damn time.
Gervic
I've got a req.10 runic blade from a dungeon chest (Frostmaw's Burrow).
the_jos
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Sounds rather selfish if you ask me. This kind of reaction confirms to me that the discussion is not about skin, but about cash.
To win HoH, you need to invest a substancial amount of time in the HA game.
Time not spend on farming and other ways of income.
There is always the possibility you will not hold and have to start over again.
And not all HoH drops are that good.
I don't mind some HoH drops being better rewards than PvE.
If you want the uber weapon you have two choices.
Farm PvE and get one expensive from PvP player.
Or start playing HA.
Seems fair to me....
Ghost Recon
Yer apart from HA has been a complete and uter joke since it was released. The only reason these high end weapons where put in HA was to keep the old school players in and bring some PvE players in. Basically all the old school players have left and what is left is a load of crap PvE players running gimmick meta builds. (there are a few good players around still)
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX
I want a PS2. I realise that it's going to be very expensive. I sit and wait for a few months and the price drops. I get it after other people, but I also save a heck of alot of money. There's a saying "good, fast, or cheap, pick two." It's obviously 'good' and you opted for 'fast' therefore 'cheap' was left out. Others would do the opposite. You wanted it as soon as it came out and you paid to get it. If the price drops, it drops, you made your choice.
How many people would expect their PS2 to go from £300 to £50 in a matter of months? Noone.
How many people would expect their PS2 to go from £300 to maybe £200-£250 in a matter of months? Most people.
One is expect the other is not.
Runic Blade at release e.g. 250 Ecto. Few months later 200 Ecto. Few months after that 150 ecto. See? Thats pretty normal and expected.
Runic Blade at release e.g. 250 ecto. Few months later 20 ecto. Now that isnt something most people expect. Hence why people were buying them as they didnt expect such losses to happen.
If going by what you say. When do you finally conclude that mass depreciation wont occur? 2 months after the skin being introduced? Half a year? 1 year?
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I think you're too closely defining 'thought' or 'idea'. They do something and all of a sudden they're not allowed to change it? If that were the case the AI wouldn't flee from AoE, IWAY would still be a pain, RitSpike and all those other FOTM builds would be a menace in PvP, etc. It isn't just common or rare, black or white. There's a whole lot more grey out there. If ANet wants to make the change and put certain skins in different areas, I'm all for it.
You went ahead and bought it and are now complaining that a better deal has come along. The only other thing I can add is "haste makes waste". You rushed ahead and bought it at it's peak, you made that choice. I'll admit, I really liked the Runic Blade skin as well, and I was tempted to buy it. I've farmed Fissure and UW, I've bought Obsidian armour (and not through EBay), I could have afforded a Runic Blade as well. But I didn't want to (partially because it would likely have bankrupted me, and while I don't mind farming every now and then, the grind farming annoys me). I chose instead to wait. Now there's a chance that the price on these blades might come down and I can buy one. Why shouldn't I get a bargain for waiting for the economy to change? Why should ANet sit there and institute a protection plan for the market, to cover those that already have massive fortunes?
It seems to me to be a bit of e-peening. "Look, I have this increadibly rare skinned weapon and armour and you don't! Therefore I'm better then you! A-hahahaha!" When I buy weapons and armour, I buy stuff that I like the look of. When I was looking into swords for my warrior, Runic was one that I liked. It was too expensive, so what did I do instead? I went with Gothic Sword. Why? I like swords that look like swords. I don't like FDSs, Platinum Blades, Tormented Swords, Elemental Swords, etc. My reason for wanting a Runic Blade? Because I like the way it looks, not because it's uber-rare.
My monk, the character that got my one set of Obsidian has two other sets: Tyrian and Kurzick (not the elite). Why? Because I liked those sets and didn't like the elite ones. Oh, and I do like the Monk Obsidian, that's why she has it, no other reason.
I made a second warrior, an axe warrior, this time a female character (my sword warrior is male). What armour does she wear? Istani. Why? Because I can't afford obsidian or glad's or other elite armour? No, because I like the way Istani looks and I don't like the other stuff. Oh, and Axe Warrior's weapon (get ready for some irony): Runic Axe. Isn't that fun? Runic Swords and Runic Axes. I just happen to like both. They're both 'rare' skins. They only difference is that one happens to drop in Factions and someone decided for some reason only to include it in HoH chests. I don't see why ANet shouldn't change their minds. I dont own a Runic Blade and never had. Not sure why you think I own one :S
Runic Blades pre-GWEN preview were hardly at their peak. The price for them had settled down. You mention not being the first to buy a skin and wait till it has fell in price. You do realise that going by what you said buying a Runic Blade before preview would have been sensible? The price for them was pretty stable. Maybe people should wait a year + before buying anything...
O R9 are like 100k or w/e so you can buy one.
Anet dont need to make protection plans. They shouldnt introduce skins when they think they will make them common months later. Dont make a skin so rare that it can be only expensive then decide to make it a skin worth a few k. Surely they must have had some idea of what skins they were going to add in GWEN around the time the Runic Blade was added to HoH.
"It seems to me to be a bit of e-peening. "Look, I have this increadibly rare skinned weapon and armour and you don't! Therefore I'm better then you!"
Yes, because I am the biggest jerk in GW. If you can provide a scrap of proof that I have ever said anything along those lines I would love to see it. I mean my e-peen must be sooo big what with my main char, my warrior using 1.5k/collectors armour and everything... Those 1.5k/collectors armours sure do increase that e-peen.
Not sure why you listed like everything you own. Most of my characters have like 1.5k armour bar two who have fow
But I have the biggest e-peen ever...
Yeah nothing wrong with Anet changing their minds all the time. Adding rare skins all the time and then making them common is wrong. They keep on doing it so they are totally aware that when they add rare skins they could make them common.
Would you have a problem with inscribable gold Crystalline and Dwarven axes dropping in pve a common drop? I mean is it unfair on those who owned them? What with them being a hoh only drop for 2 years and being a rare drop aswell. Is it the owners faults? Did they buy too soon?
You went ahead and bought it and are now complaining that a better deal has come along. The only other thing I can add is "haste makes waste". You rushed ahead and bought it at it's peak, you made that choice. I'll admit, I really liked the Runic Blade skin as well, and I was tempted to buy it. I've farmed Fissure and UW, I've bought Obsidian armour (and not through EBay), I could have afforded a Runic Blade as well. But I didn't want to (partially because it would likely have bankrupted me, and while I don't mind farming every now and then, the grind farming annoys me). I chose instead to wait. Now there's a chance that the price on these blades might come down and I can buy one. Why shouldn't I get a bargain for waiting for the economy to change? Why should ANet sit there and institute a protection plan for the market, to cover those that already have massive fortunes?
It seems to me to be a bit of e-peening. "Look, I have this increadibly rare skinned weapon and armour and you don't! Therefore I'm better then you! A-hahahaha!" When I buy weapons and armour, I buy stuff that I like the look of. When I was looking into swords for my warrior, Runic was one that I liked. It was too expensive, so what did I do instead? I went with Gothic Sword. Why? I like swords that look like swords. I don't like FDSs, Platinum Blades, Tormented Swords, Elemental Swords, etc. My reason for wanting a Runic Blade? Because I like the way it looks, not because it's uber-rare.
My monk, the character that got my one set of Obsidian has two other sets: Tyrian and Kurzick (not the elite). Why? Because I liked those sets and didn't like the elite ones. Oh, and I do like the Monk Obsidian, that's why she has it, no other reason.
I made a second warrior, an axe warrior, this time a female character (my sword warrior is male). What armour does she wear? Istani. Why? Because I can't afford obsidian or glad's or other elite armour? No, because I like the way Istani looks and I don't like the other stuff. Oh, and Axe Warrior's weapon (get ready for some irony): Runic Axe. Isn't that fun? Runic Swords and Runic Axes. I just happen to like both. They're both 'rare' skins. They only difference is that one happens to drop in Factions and someone decided for some reason only to include it in HoH chests. I don't see why ANet shouldn't change their minds. I dont own a Runic Blade and never had. Not sure why you think I own one :S
Runic Blades pre-GWEN preview were hardly at their peak. The price for them had settled down. You mention not being the first to buy a skin and wait till it has fell in price. You do realise that going by what you said buying a Runic Blade before preview would have been sensible? The price for them was pretty stable. Maybe people should wait a year + before buying anything...
O R9 are like 100k or w/e so you can buy one.
Anet dont need to make protection plans. They shouldnt introduce skins when they think they will make them common months later. Dont make a skin so rare that it can be only expensive then decide to make it a skin worth a few k. Surely they must have had some idea of what skins they were going to add in GWEN around the time the Runic Blade was added to HoH.
"It seems to me to be a bit of e-peening. "Look, I have this increadibly rare skinned weapon and armour and you don't! Therefore I'm better then you!"
Yes, because I am the biggest jerk in GW. If you can provide a scrap of proof that I have ever said anything along those lines I would love to see it. I mean my e-peen must be sooo big what with my main char, my warrior using 1.5k/collectors armour and everything... Those 1.5k/collectors armours sure do increase that e-peen.
Not sure why you listed like everything you own. Most of my characters have like 1.5k armour bar two who have fow
Yeah nothing wrong with Anet changing their minds all the time. Adding rare skins all the time and then making them common is wrong. They keep on doing it so they are totally aware that when they add rare skins they could make them common.
Would you have a problem with inscribable gold Crystalline and Dwarven axes dropping in pve a common drop? I mean is it unfair on those who owned them? What with them being a hoh only drop for 2 years and being a rare drop aswell. Is it the owners faults? Did they buy too soon?
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Yeah, I would sorta object to that. Not that I wouldn't mind having a Purple Runic, I do mostly only care about how a blade looks, but it's a matter of why? Why should PvP have sole access to PvE items? Why should PvE be screwed out of getting gold versions of some weapons? So other people that want to buy stuff don't have to spend as much money as you? Sounds rather selfish if you ask me. Inscribable purple are as good as inscribable golds. If you just cared about skins with usable stats you wouldnt care if purple or gold. Its not too hard to work out whether you want a skin to be common or rare. If rare skins keep on being made common one could only presume that Anet prefer for skins to be common over rare. So why keep adding rare skins and changing their mind? Hundreds of ecto are being lost and to get those ecto usually alot of time is needed. Anet are causing uncertainty amoung item collectos and those who want certain skins. Noone knows what is going to be devalued drastically next. And players wonder why some item collectors wont touch anything other than Tyrian items...
Turma
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
I can use an example that counters this example - and then you'll see why working for real-life items is different than playing for virtual items.
When the first CD player was introduced onto the market in 1982, it sold for $900 USD. It was big, clunky, and had all sorts of issues, but it was the first. People who bought it were the elite as far as audio was concerned. A few years later, you could buy one for about $200. A few years after that, $50. Obviously, mass production, better materials, and better technology made it possible for lower prices, and paved the way for everyone to own one. Nice counter example, but that isn't a good comparison. As technology evolves on huge rate, they always produce better technology. And as the new technology passes the old technology, the old technology price drops. The CD-player would still cost huge sums if the technology would never have evolved. On the other hand, the Runic Blades do not evolve, there is no rise in the max damage cap on it. And that is the major flaw in this example of yours. And about the real life matter. At least I don't cease to exist when I sit down and play GW. I still have my emotions and ambition. Even if GW is a game, it is part of my existence every time I play it. And that goes with every game I play. Boxing is sports, a game. If I get knocked out in the ring, I don't feel better if someone comes by and says "Don't worry, it is just a game", even if there was no real money or prizes involved. And, yet again, I have paid for this game (thank god no monthly fee) with real life money, so yes, this game effects my real life. But anyway, looks to me that this discussion isn't really evolving either, there is 2 parties with 2 opinions and both think they are right and neither party seems to find the way to convince each other about it... I just don't want to complete a campaign just to notice that 2 days later all missions are unlocked for everyone in the game, even if they haven't even started it yet...just because everyone should have the rights for the goodies...
Yichi
Eye of the North is apparently ANET's way of saying: "Hi there Mr. Highend Economy, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO YOU!!"
Abnaxus
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
Anet dont need to make protection plans. They shouldnt introduce skins when they think they will make them common months later. Dont make a skin so rare that it can be only expensive then decide to make it a skin worth a few k. Surely they must have had some idea of what skins they were going to add in GWEN around the time the Runic Blade was added to HoH.
So why keep adding rare skins and changing their mind? Hundreds of ecto are being lost and to get those ecto usually alot of time is needed. Anet are causing uncertainty amoung item collectos and those who want certain skins. Noone knows what is going to be devalued drastically next. And players wonder why some item collectors wont touch anything other than Tyrian items... In my opinion, it's wrong to think that A.net introduces rare skins. Players decide which skins are desirable and rare, and worth hundreds of ectos. And sometimes is not even related to the rarity. Proof? I think you can find at least 3-4 gold perfect inscribable crystallines normally on sale in high end forum, same for runic blades and stygian reavers, because they drop in HoH and every day people wins HoH. Now, find me a perfect r9 curses raven staff 20/20, tyrian because so far I haven't seen an inscribable one. Maybe some old collector can have one, but I've been looking for one year or more and never seen one for sale. Probably there are hundreds of perfect crystallines around, and maybe 2-3 of such raven staves, if there really are. Now, how much a could even a collector pay for such unique item? Even 200k would sound really a crazy price, despite the fact that such raven staff would be 100 times rarer than a perfect crystalline, so a correct price should be 150-200 million gold. Collectors decide arbitrarily what is rare and desirable, not A.net. Kushiels_Scion
I congratulate Anet for the changes of incribable and such. It made gettings weapons the way you want them to be much easier, no real different then having the others mods that have been around, its the skin thats worth money more so then mods, not to mention ALOT of people dont want to buy these skins modded already.
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
Onto the rare skins appearing more and making HoH items more available to players that CANT play HoH either because the pricks that fill that place and their continous "no rank no play" attitude really screws thing for people. And as far as i know the only skin for SURE that was HoH only thats dropping now in GW:EN is runic, cause how does that dude that mention a stygian reaver green well what else would it be but MALLYX reaver. If all you care about is perfection then think of this, it is a game. One day GW will die out and their will be nothing left to it and no one playing it or very few or no servers period. Meaning all the time you spent on the game is in truth all for nothing. I llike nice stuff in GW, and i can't afford it as easily as the millionaires out their whom I can't imagine HOW they made that amount of GW $ in the first place, i sure can't comprehend it. I knew i'd be getting FoW for a friend or 2 or rare item or 2 for some friends if i had such GW wealth. Its suppose to be about fun, not complaining every time people that have less money then you are now able to acquire items that they could never afford orginally. Anet is thinking wider ranged, piss off small amount of people or keep the large portion pissed off because they have no hope to acquire certain things, hence also the changes in the Favor system. Quote: @ Shuuda: Nothing effects me really. Inscribable items disgust me so I never owned one. Sucks to all the people who spent hundreds of ecto on a HoH drop only for it to become a common drop. Anet knew full well what the result of making them drop in GWEN. Non inscribable undroppable items = ftw in terms of investment.
Anet should just have designed new skins instead of jacking skins especially rare skins and making them alot less rarer. I really do not know what Anet's fixation is with screwing people over knowing that they will be. Adding Runic Blades as a HoH drop obviously will lead to high prices. That was 100% foreseeable. Then making them a drop in GWEN. That is 100% forseeable that it will cause their price to drop. Kinda bizarre why they feel the need to do that :S It wasnt a needed change. People worked hard for those hundreds of ecto needed to buy one and they knew they will fall drastically in price due to making them droppable. Just look at what happened to Serpent Axes and the Canthan version wasnt even the same appearance as inscribable HoH only version. @Makosi: Yeah I would bet they are or will be. What with them being a 400e weapon in R9. We really cant be having that now in Guild Wars!!! Expensive weapons in GW O__o Dwarven Axes are dropping inscribable too from what I have gathered. Maybe Crystalline are going to drop common too. |
