Is it just me or is there something wrong with this? What are they affraid of? Me being to over powered? or Me not playing with real people any more?
Well i for one am tired of using the lame hench men when i could make my own custom team. I already do not play with real people excempt my close friends. Have you seen peoples skill bars lately? Sometimes i say to my self what are you thinking. Then i drop out of the group and hero/hench it because i know ill complete the mission or my objective. By the way how many skills do hench even have four? Maybe make it so that on regular mode you can use three and on hard mode use seven.
The only point in having so many heros now is that i can leave them set on one style of magic/build with out having to change every once and awhile.
I am just curious what others think.
Why have 25 heros to use 3 at a time?
hellknight17
Bryant Again
Probably you not playing with real people any more. It's pretty obvious that they wanted this to be a social game, but things haven't been going in their favor. They'll most likely hold onto anything that'll give you some more incentive to group with people.
As much as I'd want to have 7 heroes with me, I can understand it.
As much as I'd want to have 7 heroes with me, I can understand it.
Keifru
Ok, so you want to customize every nich of your party; hence making it very very easy to do any quest/dungeon/mission because you designed each peice to work together.
Hmmm...something sounds wrong to me.
"To much of a good thing, is a bad thing."
Hmmm...something sounds wrong to me.
"To much of a good thing, is a bad thing."
jesusrunz
mo optionZ 2 chuse frum
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Ok, so you want to customize every nich of your party; hence making it very very easy to do any quest/dungeon/mission because you designed each peice to work together.
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Artkin
I agree...why do I need or want 3 ele heroes
Acolyte Sousuke
Zhed Shadowhoof
Vekk
Guess they want you to play hero battles
Acolyte Sousuke
Zhed Shadowhoof
Vekk
Guess they want you to play hero battles
kurtas
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Ok, so you want to customize every nich of your party; hence making it very very easy to do any quest/dungeon/mission because you designed each peice to work together.
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So you like going to elite missions on hard mode without knowing what skills your team mates are bringing? Or setting up all your heroes with only flare and rebirth?
A game that is hard should be hard for its challenge level, reflexes required, and intelligence required. The best way to get around these problems IS TO SPEC YOUR TEAM TO BEAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
Would you bring an all SF team against monsters that don't burn?
No.
So what's the best way to make sure everyone has a build that will work and they can run it well?
Heroes.
hallomik
If you had 3 of each of the 10 classes, you could make any class combination you wanted. Therefore, 25 is not quite enough to explore all options (can't run with 3 rits, for example), but it's good enough for me.
anonymous
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Ok, so you want to customize every nich of your party; hence making it very very easy to do any quest/dungeon/mission because you designed each peice to work together.
Hmmm...something sounds wrong to me. "To much of a good thing, is a bad thing." |
Pae
Too many heroes makes the game too easy while avoiding PUG groups. The compass would also get a bit overloaded with too many of the flag icons too. If you happen to want three ele (or whatever other profession that now has 3 heroes of the same prof) heroes for extra firepower, you have that option 
Winterclaw
Because someone at anet thought it was a good idea and they just ran with it.
I was trying to create a turn all the henchies into heroes and let us use 8 bandwagon but no one seemed to be willing to get on.
I was trying to create a turn all the henchies into heroes and let us use 8 bandwagon but no one seemed to be willing to get on.
Plainsman
/signed
One of the things I enjoy about this game is the pick up and play. Which is something that Anet advertises with their Instanced Zones. When I choose to do something, I get to it. My 1 year old might start crying by the time I find a good Pug, especially if I get off my monk. If there's a nice pug forming , Great! I love playing aside peeps, no matter how annoying it sometimes can be. But it's never as annoying as having to flag the henches off a res, so they don"t kill themselves. And then hope they figure out what to do next.
Just my venting..sorry
I vote 4 7 heroes.
//Plainsman
One of the things I enjoy about this game is the pick up and play. Which is something that Anet advertises with their Instanced Zones. When I choose to do something, I get to it. My 1 year old might start crying by the time I find a good Pug, especially if I get off my monk. If there's a nice pug forming , Great! I love playing aside peeps, no matter how annoying it sometimes can be. But it's never as annoying as having to flag the henches off a res, so they don"t kill themselves. And then hope they figure out what to do next.
Just my venting..sorry
I vote 4 7 heroes.
//Plainsman
Antheus
PUGs made sense when there were only original 25 or so missions.
But with 3+1 chapters, thousands of quests (locked, chained, with pre-reqs), it's impossible.
Good luck getting together a team for a particular chain of quests that only you can take, but someone else has another quest active which messes up the same zone, another one won't join since they want to get to same leg of the quest, oh, you also need decent build, not any scraps you pick up, etc....
Add on top of that the HM, and the solo experience is complete.
PUGs make sense. In elite areas, for example. But elsewhere, they have gone the way of the dodo.
But with 3+1 chapters, thousands of quests (locked, chained, with pre-reqs), it's impossible.
Good luck getting together a team for a particular chain of quests that only you can take, but someone else has another quest active which messes up the same zone, another one won't join since they want to get to same leg of the quest, oh, you also need decent build, not any scraps you pick up, etc....
Add on top of that the HM, and the solo experience is complete.
PUGs make sense. In elite areas, for example. But elsewhere, they have gone the way of the dodo.
floppinghog
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Too many heroes makes the game too easy while avoiding PUG groups. The compass would also get a bit overloaded with too many of the flag icons too. If you happen to want three ele (or whatever other profession that now has 3 heroes of the same prof) heroes for extra firepower, you have that option
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the compass would be no such thing, your just limiting your thoughts to what you see already. Anet could just as easily make the next 4 heros customizable in terms of stats and skills and then be on "auto pilot". I mean how many times do you even NEED to completely control your current heros anyway? You should know what they can or can't use correctly already and adjust builds accordingly.
Over all though it still sounds like a useless cause to bother "protesting" or starting up the bandwagon again. Anet has told us they believed 3 was "enough" so unless they think we are right, that henchmen normally are "okay" and "enough" to usually get by and win. but they did say themselves, they want us to play the way we want, and I won't mind having 7 heros (4 non-flag able) and leaving it at that. you can never have enough options.
I'm sure someone would have a blast with an 8 team of SF ele's or something similar in gimmick ownage :P
korcan
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Winterclaw
Or trying to get a PUG together for a mission that needs one.
Pkest
It's a back assward gold sink when you use up expert salvage kits to move all the runes etc from one hero to another just to do a quest? Other than that I'm not really sure.
Obviously we need 7 hero parties dammit.
Obviously we need 7 hero parties dammit.
Whirlwind
All i ask for is 4... 3 isnt enough to set up a team build correctly when you cant control hench builds just class.
realoddsman
I want a toilet with a 14 karot gold seat
MMSDome
i can think of a few reasons. Lets use 3 different necros for instance, there is blood, curses, and death magic and I dont feel like changing runes everytime i want to change my build so conveniently I have a hero with each of the different magics. I dont see what the problem is because 3 heros is enough to work with the rest of the party being henchmen.
Patrick Smit
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I would say an average PUG is like pooping next to a highway, while 7 heroes would be comparable to pooping in some relaxed and deserted nature reserve.
Arguments that are not valid:
-go PUG: people won't because they have maybe other things to attend to in live, a kid, work that might require immediate attention.
-7 heroes are too powerful and one player: they are theoretically not more powerful then 8 humans or 2 humans and 6 heroes for that matters.
-the screen will be cluttered with hero controls and panels: u dont njeed to open all panels, end even so then there is still enough room for view, get away from 800X600 screens, and there is no need to micro every hero, not even one with good builds.
-do not want to manipulate all skills in the group: the most shitty argument I heard, while in PvE not every skill need be in full synergy with the team, in PvP where no heroes should be every skill will be set as the captain decides, making the most perfect build according to that person. If it doenst work it gets changed. Trying to do this with wammos and other bums in PUGs is near impossible, they load your template to change it soon after before you enter FoW for example, they lie to you, to run their own (shitty) build instead. Do you really want to socialize with people like that?
Keifru
Obviously I didn't explain myself enough with my short 3 lines @_@
Were everyone to have 7 heroes, why would you PuG? You could also just walk through most of the game beatsticking things with your heroes while drinking aged dwarven ale.
Yes, elite missions in HM would require specific builds...played by humans. We're not talking about a party of 8 humans; we're talking about an overseer and 7 underlings.
Yes, knowing all your skills of your team is nice, and you can specc it for your dungeon of choice...but last I checked 1 build isn't the only thing you have to run to beat something. (DoA doesn't count =/ )
Also, I find it nice to suggest to people some skills they should/could use; or atleast help them find more effective substitutes and in general help people become better; but that's just me. Someone has to do something about incompetence.
"Take time; Play with a PuG"
Were everyone to have 7 heroes, why would you PuG? You could also just walk through most of the game beatsticking things with your heroes while drinking aged dwarven ale.
Yes, elite missions in HM would require specific builds...played by humans. We're not talking about a party of 8 humans; we're talking about an overseer and 7 underlings.
Yes, knowing all your skills of your team is nice, and you can specc it for your dungeon of choice...but last I checked 1 build isn't the only thing you have to run to beat something. (DoA doesn't count =/ )
Also, I find it nice to suggest to people some skills they should/could use; or atleast help them find more effective substitutes and in general help people become better; but that's just me. Someone has to do something about incompetence.
"Take time; Play with a PuG"
visitor
PUGs not drugs!
Holly Herro
I liked this game much more when you got to group. It's much more fun since the heroes only got like 4 skills or something
But anyways,
/signed
But anyways,
/signed
Icy DS
We should be able to have 7 heroes in our party. We payed money to play this game, not spend evenings in outposts trying to unearth a few other competent players in the masses of wasted flesh, which include those wamos' who get to the fire islands and don't even know what cap sigs do (tried to get a pug tank and went through eight).
There is no valid argument to why there should not be 7 heroes in PvE.
Point made now this thread can be closed. Thank you.
There is no valid argument to why there should not be 7 heroes in PvE.
Point made now this thread can be closed. Thank you.
Seissor
I'd like to kit out a full hero party. But I'd like these feature to be something my character can only do once they complete a campaign/story tree.
There's still the encouragement to play with at least SOME people to complete the game. And afterwards you can finally go down into FoW/UW or wherever by yourself, so when the phone rings you dont leave people waiting for 30 mins. And also, im big on this.....heroes dont ragequit.
BTW playing with guildies aint puggin it, and most pugs I play with iss ppaaaiinnnfullll. While I dont mind sometimes playing with them I find when I go with heroes and henchmen I just power through the game alot faster.
Time to pug GW:F 3+ days.
Time to hench/hero GW:F 1 1/2 days
There's still the encouragement to play with at least SOME people to complete the game. And afterwards you can finally go down into FoW/UW or wherever by yourself, so when the phone rings you dont leave people waiting for 30 mins. And also, im big on this.....heroes dont ragequit.
BTW playing with guildies aint puggin it, and most pugs I play with iss ppaaaiinnnfullll. While I dont mind sometimes playing with them I find when I go with heroes and henchmen I just power through the game alot faster.
Time to pug GW:F 3+ days.
Time to hench/hero GW:F 1 1/2 days
Kas
As it is now, everyone thinks he is so much more superior to all the infidels around him that the only ones even remotely worthy of his inhuman skills are the heroes because they do exactly as simon says.
So, if every player thinks this way, how come that they all manage to beat the game with heroes? Are they all uber? How can they all be uber when clearly everyone else but them sucks big time? You know the answer, don't you? Pugs don't fail because of lack of skill. Pugs fail because overinflated egos clash like titans on a rampage.
So yes, please A-Net. Give them 7 Heroes, give them every reason to not play with others in a multiplayer game. While this is feeding their superiority complex it helps the other players. For every egomaniac drooling all over heroes, one less Singleplayer will be in the mix. And if every egomaniac is busy heroing through the game, all that remains are teamplayers or new players. Both are incredibly fun to play with. Heroes have achieved primarily one thing, take the wannabe elitist asshats out of the mix.
So yes. /signed. Give them 7 Heroes.
So, if every player thinks this way, how come that they all manage to beat the game with heroes? Are they all uber? How can they all be uber when clearly everyone else but them sucks big time? You know the answer, don't you? Pugs don't fail because of lack of skill. Pugs fail because overinflated egos clash like titans on a rampage.
So yes, please A-Net. Give them 7 Heroes, give them every reason to not play with others in a multiplayer game. While this is feeding their superiority complex it helps the other players. For every egomaniac drooling all over heroes, one less Singleplayer will be in the mix. And if every egomaniac is busy heroing through the game, all that remains are teamplayers or new players. Both are incredibly fun to play with. Heroes have achieved primarily one thing, take the wannabe elitist asshats out of the mix.
So yes. /signed. Give them 7 Heroes.
ultima
/signed
don't wanne have mhenlo in my party again!!
don't wanne have mhenlo in my party again!!
Cobalt
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Ok, so you want to customize every nich of your party; hence making it very very easy to do any quest/dungeon/mission because you designed each peice to work together.
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So yes, please A-Net. Give them 7 Heroes, give them every reason to not play with others in a multiplayer game. While this is feeding their superiority complex it helps the other players. For every egomaniac drooling all over heroes, one less Singleplayer will be in the mix. And if every egomaniac is busy heroing through the game, all that remains are teamplayers or new players. Both are incredibly fun to play with. Heroes have achieved primarily one thing, take the wannabe elitist asshats out of the mix.
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JGaff
In their defense, Henchman have improved a great deal in GW:EN. They actually have useful builds that consist of maybe 6+ decent skills and a rez. Before you were lucky if you got 1 damage skill+self heal+ rez.
I play with my bro (2+6 as mentioned above) and it's quite fun and versatile. Considering I generally do very little microing for my heros in PVE except when fleeing, I could go for 7 heros.
I play with my bro (2+6 as mentioned above) and it's quite fun and versatile. Considering I generally do very little microing for my heros in PVE except when fleeing, I could go for 7 heros.
T1Cybernetic
I could go for a full hero team, although it may make alot of areas very very easy, it would be nice to be able to customise your very own team though.
/Signed
/Signed
Aera Lure
I would enjoy Anet letting us use a 7 Hero party. It would be fun once and a while to build an entire team and test it out and make adjustments. Just another thing to do. I used to enjoy joining PUGs simply for the unexpected qualities of it. Was my favorite thing to do. Despite the many hilarious failures there were many good times. The number of Heroes I could or couldnt use had no effect on that - it had already gotten to the point anyway that outposts had masses of players standing around in single groups of four and pairs of people in groups of eight. Using 7 Heroes wouldnt change anything one bit.
The thing I hate the most about Heroes is actually that they are unique to a character. They should have been cross account. There isnt an adequate Hero item/EQ management system, way too little storage, and far too much micro-management to try and figure out what Hero where has what item, not to mention continually equipping scores of Heroes each time I want to play another character. Was why I quit. Became annoying as hell. But anyway...
The thing I hate the most about Heroes is actually that they are unique to a character. They should have been cross account. There isnt an adequate Hero item/EQ management system, way too little storage, and far too much micro-management to try and figure out what Hero where has what item, not to mention continually equipping scores of Heroes each time I want to play another character. Was why I quit. Became annoying as hell. But anyway...
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The thing I hate the most about Heroes is actually that they are unique to a character. They should have been cross account. There isnt an adequate Hero item/EQ management system, way too little storage, and far too much micro-management to try and figure out what Hero where has what item, not to mention continually equipping scores of Heroes each time I want to play another character. Was why I quit. Became annoying as hell. But anyway...
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As for 7 heroes it does promote anti social behavior but that happens already. I join the occasional pug to see how people go but for the most part I play me a guildie and heroes or me+hero+hench. Having 7 heroes would mkae it easier for me on the rare occasions none of my guild mates or friends are on.
Aera Lure
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As for 7 heroes it does promote anti social behavior but that happens already. I join the occasional pug to see how people go but for the most part I play me a guildie and heroes or me+hero+hench. Having 7 heroes would mkae it easier for me on the rare occasions none of my guild mates or friends are on.
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Suppose it doesnt matter to me either way if Anet reverses their stance that they would not allow 7 Heroes ever. Even if they did I would always prefer player groups with friends, guildies and/or strangers. Most of my favorite times in GW have been that way. I accomplished a lot with just henchmen, and then with Heroes added to the mix at different points in time. It would bee fun sometimes to tinker with an entire team of 8 just for the sake of doing it. I'd do that sometimes I suppose, but I prefer player groups.
Voltar
yeah, i pretty much avoid pugs as it is (and did so before heroes came out...more faith in the lame anet toolbars with no runes)
this way you can have 2 or 3 different heroes with different runes for different builds.
I'm all for 7 hero groups though. that would be awesome. I'm pretty sure the people that would play wihout pugs then are the same that play without pugs now. I really can't imagine why people would want more pugs. they're gross.
this also would eliminate stupid people riding on the coat tails of others. that's what guilds and alliances are for. spam guild chat with, "need help for divinty coast," or whatever lame crap you have to do. There's enough things in the game to do that 7 other people aren't currently doing to allow 7 heroes. Heroes still don't really cut it for imperial sanctum (even though a sin could solo shiro with mhenlo).
this way you can have 2 or 3 different heroes with different runes for different builds.
I'm all for 7 hero groups though. that would be awesome. I'm pretty sure the people that would play wihout pugs then are the same that play without pugs now. I really can't imagine why people would want more pugs. they're gross.
this also would eliminate stupid people riding on the coat tails of others. that's what guilds and alliances are for. spam guild chat with, "need help for divinty coast," or whatever lame crap you have to do. There's enough things in the game to do that 7 other people aren't currently doing to allow 7 heroes. Heroes still don't really cut it for imperial sanctum (even though a sin could solo shiro with mhenlo).
Effendi Westland
If we had access to 7 heros I would've just entered FoW with them when I needed to craft FoW gloves. As we don't I looked around and did: mesmer lf forgemaster group. Got a pm from a guild team, they were going to clear FoW and I could join (yay!). Ended up in a great team, got my gloves, got asked to join their guild (already in a good one though), asked them to join the alliance, they did as they had none.
I gues it's so things like this happen. Playing with H/H gets boring quick and when you're used to nothing else it's difficult to break with the solo mentality. I've never seen as many bored with gw threads as when Nightfall was a few months old.
I gues it's so things like this happen. Playing with H/H gets boring quick and when you're used to nothing else it's difficult to break with the solo mentality. I've never seen as many bored with gw threads as when Nightfall was a few months old.
Verek
If PUGGING, as a concept, was bringing people to the game, then, I might possibly conceed that, maybe, having 7 Heroes would detract from this.
From the bulk of chat i've had with my mates, and also general comments on this and other forums 'PUGS' are having the opposite effect and driving people away.
In the end what does it matter, I would rather let the people who want to Hero the game get on with it, it isn't going to effect me one little bit and that's the beauty of the Guild Wars game design.
From the bulk of chat i've had with my mates, and also general comments on this and other forums 'PUGS' are having the opposite effect and driving people away.
In the end what does it matter, I would rather let the people who want to Hero the game get on with it, it isn't going to effect me one little bit and that's the beauty of the Guild Wars game design.
Kas
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spellsword
People don't pug because they don't want to. I for one haven't really pugged since factions came out, and I don't plan to change that. Unlimited heroes ftw.