Why have 25 heros to use 3 at a time?
Vampyrija
7 heroes is the way to go! At least I'd be sure no monk has echo {E} to replicate his signet of devotion like some clueless pug monk I've seen before doing gates of madness.
Verek
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1. Having the ability to perform well: able, capable, competent, good, skilled. See ABILITY. 2. Showing art or skill in performing or doing: adroit, artful, deft, dexterous. See ABILITY, KNOWLEDGE. 3. Having or demonstrating a high degree of knowledge or skill: adept, crack, expert, master, masterful, masterly, professional, proficient, skilled. Slang : crackerjack. See ABILITY. 4. Well done or executed: adroit, clean, deft, neat. See ABILITY, GOOD
Just thought I'd remind anet what skillful means
/Signed
stueyman2099
whats wrong with them only wanting you to use 3 heroes' exactly? not like the new henchmen are bad anyway...
Lagg
I HATE heroes.
Worst. Design. Decision. Ever.
They destroyed what was left of pugging. Both the good and the bad.
More accurately: they destroyed the multiplayer aspect of PvE. Even when it caused frustration at times, at least it had us interacting with other players.
So, please, for the love of Balthazar, now that 90% of PvE has been turned single player anyway, (except for those few Elite Missions where a full guild team with PvE skils is still the better choice) at least let us customise entirely the way we play it.
7 heroes, please.
/signed
Worst. Design. Decision. Ever.
They destroyed what was left of pugging. Both the good and the bad.
More accurately: they destroyed the multiplayer aspect of PvE. Even when it caused frustration at times, at least it had us interacting with other players.
So, please, for the love of Balthazar, now that 90% of PvE has been turned single player anyway, (except for those few Elite Missions where a full guild team with PvE skils is still the better choice) at least let us customise entirely the way we play it.
7 heroes, please.
/signed
Obey The Cat
/signed for 7 heroes in pve
Vamis Threen
The only place you are forced to take woeful henchmen with rubbish elites these days is Prophecies (and Boreas Seabed, admittedly)
I only occasionally use individual hero flags and because I only take builds they can use by themselves I rarely use their skill bars either.
If you need a specific set-up for HM you can usually your own and three heroes skills are sufficient to do this, although you clearly can't do things like an all-eskimo team.
Decent henchies like Herta and Daeman are more than adequate for HM; add them to Prophecies and I for one will be happy.
BTW:
I, for one, did dare. You can get Legendary Vanquisher in a hero/hench team. You can also get Gaurdians for Elona and Tyria the same way. You will need humans for Boreas Seabed but that's because of clumping, which is the same for heroes as henchies, and Eternal Grove (just too hard).
I only occasionally use individual hero flags and because I only take builds they can use by themselves I rarely use their skill bars either.
If you need a specific set-up for HM you can usually your own and three heroes skills are sufficient to do this, although you clearly can't do things like an all-eskimo team.
Decent henchies like Herta and Daeman are more than adequate for HM; add them to Prophecies and I for one will be happy.
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Turn on hard mode and get legendary Guardian and Vanquisher. Go on, I dare ya. I dont have them yet, and unfortunatly never will be able to without 7 heroes.
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ValaOfTheFens
You shouldn't need more than 3 heroes. Seriously. Plenty of people have played the game rather successfully with only 3. Anyway, it would be too hard to coordinate the efforts of 7 NPC's and your own.
The new heroes were introduced in GWEN because not everyone has NF and everyone with NF wanted more heroes. I don't understand what the number of heroes there are has to do with the number of heroes you can have in your party.
The new heroes were introduced in GWEN because not everyone has NF and everyone with NF wanted more heroes. I don't understand what the number of heroes there are has to do with the number of heroes you can have in your party.
R!ghteous Ind!gnation
Personally I would have no problem with an all hero party system to be honest.
EternalTempest
I like the setup, as stated previously. I can know set up hero's for specific types of characters. 3 ele = Fire ele, Air ele, Earth/Ice Ele, etc.
Engel the Fallen
Well this is not happening? Why because in Guild Wars they will not be needed. Or at least that is what I got from all this BS:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10166467
Seriously, there is no legit reason for this restriction. I have not pugged since factions. I will grab people when doing heroes and henchmen if they look really stuck and are of non-desired classes, but in general the sole time I will pug is to do high level farming.
This reminds me a lot of the pre-factions hype and the improvements to trade that were said to come. Bait and switch FTW.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10166467
Seriously, there is no legit reason for this restriction. I have not pugged since factions. I will grab people when doing heroes and henchmen if they look really stuck and are of non-desired classes, but in general the sole time I will pug is to do high level farming.
This reminds me a lot of the pre-factions hype and the improvements to trade that were said to come. Bait and switch FTW.
Red-Tide
I would love 7 heroes for PVE. That said, it doesnt matter what we say, Anet has already we will not get to use 7 heroes. They just gave us more heroes as a gold sink, with maybe an element of giving us more options for builds.
As for those of you who say Heroes ruined PUGS, PUGS ALWAYS SUCKED!!!! Heroes made it so we can avoid the frustration of spending 30 mins getting a group together only to end up woth some n00b monk who is smiting with an axe and shield and causes half the team to rage quit.
I did on occasion find good pug's but it was at least 15:1 ratio and sorry but the little bit of time I get to game, I do not want to deal with idiots wasting my time.
As for those of you who say Heroes ruined PUGS, PUGS ALWAYS SUCKED!!!! Heroes made it so we can avoid the frustration of spending 30 mins getting a group together only to end up woth some n00b monk who is smiting with an axe and shield and causes half the team to rage quit.
I did on occasion find good pug's but it was at least 15:1 ratio and sorry but the little bit of time I get to game, I do not want to deal with idiots wasting my time.
Engel the Fallen
Wont be changed at this point anyway, because GWEN odds are is in the only a few people to work on it phase while ANET works on GW2.
I cannot wait for a clonish game to come out by a different company who actively supports the current game and does not always say in the future, or in this next game. Also one who will not add in all these stupid BS restrictions like restricting PvE only skills, AoE flee stuff, hero restrictions, loot scaling and all these other things that take enjoyment away. PvE players do not WANT balance. So why pretend and try to do that?
I cannot wait for a clonish game to come out by a different company who actively supports the current game and does not always say in the future, or in this next game. Also one who will not add in all these stupid BS restrictions like restricting PvE only skills, AoE flee stuff, hero restrictions, loot scaling and all these other things that take enjoyment away. PvE players do not WANT balance. So why pretend and try to do that?
Engel the Fallen
DP due to server lag.
Croix_Raul
/Signed 7 Hero ftw
I don't even bother anymore
I don't need PuG
TO HELL with PuG groups complete waste of time and endless frustration
I don't even bother anymore
I don't need PuG
TO HELL with PuG groups complete waste of time and endless frustration
Zeph
I'd love to be able to take more than 3 heroes. Even if it's just so I can disable the res on all the monks in the party. Mhenlo res'ing when he should be healing just drives me mental.
/signed
/signed
Sarevok Thordin
I don't PuG due to interest conflicts.
When I goto a mission, 9 times out of 10 I just want to get through the mission for the 6th or so time (Taking a new char through) and get on with it for skill capping/unlocking etc. Not a time goes by when the only viable PuG wants to do the bonus/masters. This causes TONS of frustration when you fail the mission when you could easily have completed it without the cherry on top, all because the group just HAD to do the bonus.
So there, heroes won't conflict with my interests, they just get on with it!
When I goto a mission, 9 times out of 10 I just want to get through the mission for the 6th or so time (Taking a new char through) and get on with it for skill capping/unlocking etc. Not a time goes by when the only viable PuG wants to do the bonus/masters. This causes TONS of frustration when you fail the mission when you could easily have completed it without the cherry on top, all because the group just HAD to do the bonus.
So there, heroes won't conflict with my interests, they just get on with it!
Vamis Threen
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I'd love to be able to take more than 3 heroes. Even if it's just so I can disable the res on all the monks in the party. Mhenlo res'ing when he should be healing just drives me mental.
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Vinraith
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NeHoMaR
Oh Noz! another thread about full heroes!!!!!11111one! 
Anyway, I WANT full heroes too! and I plan to post it in every clone of thread like this one!
Anyway, I WANT full heroes too! and I plan to post it in every clone of thread like this one!
DreamRunner
Heroes and henchies are fine. The setup is fine. If you had no limit to the heroes, why have henchies? People just want this game to be easier than it already is. People got skill hunter title with just henchies in prophecies, you think thats easy? Its not, but its doable.
People bad mouth henchies so much, its terrible. Really, people who say henchies suck, are people who in reality suck. The only ones that are terribly bad are Alesia, Stefan and the like because of there terrible AI. Alesia running into melee for example.
People bad mouth henchies so much, its terrible. Really, people who say henchies suck, are people who in reality suck. The only ones that are terribly bad are Alesia, Stefan and the like because of there terrible AI. Alesia running into melee for example.
Nemo the Capitalist
i hate the advent of heros
PUGS are fun even tho most r horrid
makes game seem ..........Human
unless u like partying with hench and heroway all day
LEroy jenkins hes dumb but at least he talks unlike Koss
PUGS are fun even tho most r horrid
makes game seem ..........Human
unless u like partying with hench and heroway all day
LEroy jenkins hes dumb but at least he talks unlike Koss
Kotetsu Rain
I'm not much of a thread digger but I did ask for this before. Gaile was ever so kinda to post in that thread and she stated:
"The mechanics for the hero system aren't setup for more than 3 Heros. (Flags and such I guess)
Then I just left it alone. Threads like these fall on dead ears.
"The mechanics for the hero system aren't setup for more than 3 Heros. (Flags and such I guess)
Then I just left it alone. Threads like these fall on dead ears.
VinnyRidira
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The only place you are forced to take woeful henchmen with rubbish elites these days is Prophecies (and Boreas Seabed, admittedly)
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I would love to be able to use 7 heroes, but I still often do PuG's for the fun of it and the delightful uncertainty of PuG. Heisenberg has nothing on PuG's.
Lord Feathers
An all Hero party would be awesome. I enjoy gaming with real folks as well but pretty much only guild mates or friends. As for PUGS ..... honestly I say I could care less about them. 95% of any experience I have had in any PUG has been absolute junk / garbage. You wait for.... OMG , no we must have two monks and one with build " Y " and the other with " X " build or OMFG we need a SV necromancer we can't win without one and all this takes what 1/2 hr or more just to assemble a party and then you have to put up with annoying players and god forbid someone rage quits 
No I think I'd much rather have heros or guild mates and save my time rather then wasting it in PUGS so being able to use more of them would be awesome. If folks want to PUG more power to you but the only deceit PUG groups I've ever had any success with have been guild or alliance groups and 95% of the time I can usually whip the mission after adjusting the hero teams I current have.
No I think I'd much rather have heros or guild mates and save my time rather then wasting it in PUGS so being able to use more of them would be awesome. If folks want to PUG more power to you but the only deceit PUG groups I've ever had any success with have been guild or alliance groups and 95% of the time I can usually whip the mission after adjusting the hero teams I current have.
Sleeper Service
please USE THE SEARCH FEATURE or look in the INDEX OF IDEAS THREAD, it makes life easier on everyone and contributes towards making your ideas HEARD.
This has already been debated multiple times, some by the same people posting here (...at least point the newbies in the right direction guys...=/)
Index of ideas:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=84455
Full Hero Teams Suggestion thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10159675
Related buy heroes in store thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0188286&page=1
This has already been debated multiple times, some by the same people posting here (...at least point the newbies in the right direction guys...=/)
Index of ideas:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=84455
Full Hero Teams Suggestion thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10159675
Related buy heroes in store thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0188286&page=1
Yanman.be
/signed for 25 hero's at a time.
quickmonty
Don't care one way or the other. Henched every Prophecies mission and most of Factions (before heroes) Protector of all three continents and Legendary skill hunter are a breeze with just 3 heroes (and henchies). If you have just one friend to party with you can fill up with 6 heroes.
I don't need 7, but would probably use them if they were available.
I don't need 7, but would probably use them if they were available.
Roo Ella
/signed for an expanded hero party 4 6 or whatever zone your in
Takes me anything from 30min to 2 hours to get in a group and sort out skills and stuff and then argue whats what grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I just wanna PLAY not piss fart around.
WHY don't anet have a weekend event to test this idea and get the community's response and feedback?
As they say they listen to us the community but it is not always a given they will act on it.
Takes me anything from 30min to 2 hours to get in a group and sort out skills and stuff and then argue whats what grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I just wanna PLAY not piss fart around.
WHY don't anet have a weekend event to test this idea and get the community's response and feedback?
As they say they listen to us the community but it is not always a given they will act on it.
NeHoMaR
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/signed for 25 hero's at a time.
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bhavv
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Really, people who say henchies suck, are people who in reality suck.
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I can make all the henchmen better then they currently are and would love to be able to do so. I dont want to waste my time playing with retarded henchmen and retarded pugs.
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whats wrong with them only wanting you to use 3 heroes' exactly? not like the new henchmen are bad anyway...
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Kegman
Another reason, I would like to do the missions in hard mode but it is near impossible to get 1 other person let alone a couple. And I better hope that other person has heroes otherwise I have to wait for anohter.
I work 2pm-10pm est. This leaves the morning hours and super late night hours to play. Getting pugs for "the deep" has me waiting for 30mins to an hour and I have yet to play the game.....and I have to go to the international district to get ppl? This should not be.
I avoid elite missions because of this waiting plus, if I dont have the skill set wiki says, im a noob.
ONe more: if i dont run a hb or zb build, im a noob. I have a woh build that works very and am very good at using it. Its just not on wiki so im a noob.
guildies are useless unless theres 100's of players on it because you have to do the mission or quest or farm everyone else is doing, not what you want to do. Im not here to make friends, but to have fun
7 heroes!
I work 2pm-10pm est. This leaves the morning hours and super late night hours to play. Getting pugs for "the deep" has me waiting for 30mins to an hour and I have yet to play the game.....and I have to go to the international district to get ppl? This should not be.
I avoid elite missions because of this waiting plus, if I dont have the skill set wiki says, im a noob.
ONe more: if i dont run a hb or zb build, im a noob. I have a woh build that works very and am very good at using it. Its just not on wiki so im a noob.
guildies are useless unless theres 100's of players on it because you have to do the mission or quest or farm everyone else is doing, not what you want to do. Im not here to make friends, but to have fun
7 heroes!
Relnor
Given any particular class, there isn't any single build that will work equally well in any area. Because of this, Henchmen are in fact flawed in their purpose as a static NPC that can be used in many different areas. Hero's, on the other hand, can be adapted by the player to work in every plausible situation if the player is already knowledgeable in the skills of the other classes.
In short:
Henchmen don't work as well as they could and it still takes skill to equip a hero appropriately.
/signed for 7 hero's
In short:
Henchmen don't work as well as they could and it still takes skill to equip a hero appropriately.
/signed for 7 hero's
Omniclasm
To answer the topics question...
Why have 11 dye if you can only use 4?
Why have 11 dye if you can only use 4?
Legendary Shiz
Though I would also love to use 7 heroes because henchies are all kinds of useless, but you must understand WHY they wouldn't let you do that. That way you at least have to do what I usually do, and play with, at the very least, one friend. That way you're still being sociable, all while still getting to customize every inch of your build.
Relnor
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Though I would also love to use 7 heroes because henchies are all kinds of useless, but you must understand WHY they wouldn't let you do that. That way you at least have to do what I usually do, and play with, at the very least, one friend. That way you're still being sociable, all while still getting to customize every inch of your build.
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Draikin
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Though I would also love to use 7 heroes because henchies are all kinds of useless, but you must understand WHY they wouldn't let you do that. That way you at least have to do what I usually do, and play with, at the very least, one friend. That way you're still being sociable, all while still getting to customize every inch of your build.
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Why?
There are zero real reasons not to be able to use 7 heroes.
It is just that simple.
I'd rather kill myself repeatedly than pug.
I've beaten all 3 games without pugging, just finished NF with a char from all 10 profs without pugging, went through the Gwen preview without any other people ever in my party.
I'm not going to pug. The only time I will ever have another human being in my party is if a guildie needs help.
having 7 heroes would rock. I want it.
It is just that simple.
I'd rather kill myself repeatedly than pug.
I've beaten all 3 games without pugging, just finished NF with a char from all 10 profs without pugging, went through the Gwen preview without any other people ever in my party.
I'm not going to pug. The only time I will ever have another human being in my party is if a guildie needs help.
having 7 heroes would rock. I want it.
Omniclasm
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Just because you're playing with Heros, doesn't make you unsocial. I talk on AC/GC the most when I'm with Heros.
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However, 7 heroes and one human player? Do you have any idea how overpowered that would be? They would have to add in another difficulty, harder than hard mode. 1/3/4 heroes+henchmen are better that people 90% of the time. I cleared ToPK with heroes+henchmen about 4 hours ago, first attempt. Imagine if 1/2 of my team wasn't gimped.
Cythean
THE WHOLE POINT OF PLAYING GUILDWARS IS SITTING THERE AND LAUGHING AT PEOPLE WHO"S BUILD SUCK!!!
Ok, let us recap how guildwars works.
In the beginning, there were no heroes. People had to run with other people, and henchies. Pretty much everybody who hasn't beaten the game sucked right here.
Next, factions comes out, making it easier to get 200 attribute points and easier to get level 20. Now, you have less of an excuse for having a sucky build. And so everybody knows, elites don't make builds. A non-elite minion master build running bone fiends, vampiric horrors, and a bunch of skills such as BotM, Heal Area, Dark Bond, and Taste of Death can do pretty well.
Well, Nightfall comes out, and we get heroes. This almost eliminates the need for humans. The AI is good, they know some of the good skill combos, they can micro perfectly, there can't be a problem. Well, now you don't need human interaction.
Guildwars was based off the principle that you find humans to play with, then take henchmen if you needed to fill the space. This is why majority of the cities only have one of each kind of henchie, not multiple fighters for instance.
Most people can't seem to get it right. They bring many skills they don't need just to fill thier bar, not knowing that there are good background enchantments or stances that would make life million times easier. (Holy Haste Anybody?) If you run a noob build, we will laugh at you. It is part of the game. Even better, I'll give you my skype info. You call me, then I'll laugh in your face and tell you how big of a noob you are.
Now for those of you who can solo-run missions. Solo-farm the hardest drops. Do everything that Leet people can do, I bow to you. It is you who we place our hope, so don't feel afraid to put hope in us.
Ok, let us recap how guildwars works.
In the beginning, there were no heroes. People had to run with other people, and henchies. Pretty much everybody who hasn't beaten the game sucked right here.
Next, factions comes out, making it easier to get 200 attribute points and easier to get level 20. Now, you have less of an excuse for having a sucky build. And so everybody knows, elites don't make builds. A non-elite minion master build running bone fiends, vampiric horrors, and a bunch of skills such as BotM, Heal Area, Dark Bond, and Taste of Death can do pretty well.
Well, Nightfall comes out, and we get heroes. This almost eliminates the need for humans. The AI is good, they know some of the good skill combos, they can micro perfectly, there can't be a problem. Well, now you don't need human interaction.
Guildwars was based off the principle that you find humans to play with, then take henchmen if you needed to fill the space. This is why majority of the cities only have one of each kind of henchie, not multiple fighters for instance.
Most people can't seem to get it right. They bring many skills they don't need just to fill thier bar, not knowing that there are good background enchantments or stances that would make life million times easier. (Holy Haste Anybody?) If you run a noob build, we will laugh at you. It is part of the game. Even better, I'll give you my skype info. You call me, then I'll laugh in your face and tell you how big of a noob you are.
Now for those of you who can solo-run missions. Solo-farm the hardest drops. Do everything that Leet people can do, I bow to you. It is you who we place our hope, so don't feel afraid to put hope in us.
cR4zY-n^
If they allower full party of heroes then HM would be what NM was before and NM would be piss easy.