Grind, should not be here.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Mineria
How doest it work with max prophecies armor? (Droknar)
Faction Kurzick/Luxon/Imperial armor?
Nightfall elite and the vabian set?
For not to forget the fact that GW:EN is an exspansion for level 20 characters.
If you don't like to get the last rank by grind, then don't.
Just remember that you need to do a bit more to get the sets from the campaigns. Yeah, win the game. What a concept. LOL
Faction Kurzick/Luxon/Imperial armor?
Nightfall elite and the vabian set?
For not to forget the fact that GW:EN is an exspansion for level 20 characters.
If you don't like to get the last rank by grind, then don't.
Just remember that you need to do a bit more to get the sets from the campaigns. Yeah, win the game. What a concept. LOL
Kinn
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Originally Posted by lakatz
<--- Drok's? Norn? ---> Doh... Norn!!! Hehehe, it's interesting that you chose that picture because my main character happens to be a female ranger
Anyway, that said, if your enjoyment of the game revolves around what clothes your character is wearing, then that's fairly pathetic.
For me, Guild Wars is all about the mission/quest content, creating cool team builds, coming up with clever skill combinations, and interacting with others.
shmek
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Originally Posted by Arcain
Yes, I have noticed those responses, and here is my reply to that kind of thinking. The armor looks nice, so I want the armor, I have paid for the game and I have beaten the story. So I should have access to something without having to grind for hours, turning something that should be fun into work.
Now for the people saying that the grind is easy, well….. get a job, and get a life…. Just because you like mindlessly clearing an area many many many many times over does not mean we all do, or even have the time if we wanted too. You haven't "beaten" jack squat until you finish the grind you are talking about. You have merely completed a storyline... call that beating a game if it makes you feel like a conquerer or something you need.
Now for the people saying that the grind is easy, well….. get a job, and get a life…. Just because you like mindlessly clearing an area many many many many times over does not mean we all do, or even have the time if we wanted too. You haven't "beaten" jack squat until you finish the grind you are talking about. You have merely completed a storyline... call that beating a game if it makes you feel like a conquerer or something you need.
HolyHawk
At first, I also thought it was too much of grind, but later I realised that the amount of points required is ok. I scored 6k+ vanguard points while vanquishing Sacnorth Valley today in one run, and I didn't even went in the fire forest, just got the bonus from the shrines near it. That's one area with over 400 monsters, so it's easy to reach bonus+4 per kill and to keep the double points bonus one you get one. Same thing for Asura points and Magus Stones. Basically, leave the bosses alive, so you can run back to their spot and get the 200 points for killing a boss.
I don't mind if the rank did not count for the armor, but I think it kills the point of the title; I do however agree that it should be account based and not character based. FoW armor has been hard to get ever since the first day, yet people went for it; you get around 10k points just for doing the storyline and skill quests, 16k left that can be done in 4/5 runs. Really, I think it's balanced as it is. And remember it's just been one week, we should take some time to, well, play it, but that's just my opinion.
I don't mind if the rank did not count for the armor, but I think it kills the point of the title; I do however agree that it should be account based and not character based. FoW armor has been hard to get ever since the first day, yet people went for it; you get around 10k points just for doing the storyline and skill quests, 16k left that can be done in 4/5 runs. Really, I think it's balanced as it is. And remember it's just been one week, we should take some time to, well, play it, but that's just my opinion.
AaronSwitchblade
I agree that it isn't too much of a grind for the Norn armor. I played last night and manged to get 4000 Norn points in two runs of Drakkar Lake. It won't take me long to get up to the required 26.
Given, you might argue that it does take a lot of points, but I think the idea is that you just play, and accumulate the points gradually. If you don't want to grind, that's cool, but it'll take you a few weeks to get the points instead of a few days. That's reasonable to me considering the new armor is just art, and doesn't differ stat-wise from the usual endgame armor. If that ever ceases to be the case, I'll be the first to complain.
Given, you might argue that it does take a lot of points, but I think the idea is that you just play, and accumulate the points gradually. If you don't want to grind, that's cool, but it'll take you a few weeks to get the points instead of a few days. That's reasonable to me considering the new armor is just art, and doesn't differ stat-wise from the usual endgame armor. If that ever ceases to be the case, I'll be the first to complain.
GloryFox
So its another episode of Whammo and the Vekk...
Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game.
Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
So its another episode of Whammo and the Vekk...
Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game. Would be very funny if it wasn't so very true. Still had me smile though. You know, hitting c, space bar, c, spacebar watching grass grow is so much more interesting now. LOL
Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game. Would be very funny if it wasn't so very true. Still had me smile though. You know, hitting c, space bar, c, spacebar watching grass grow is so much more interesting now. LOL
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by shmek
You haven't "beaten" jack squat until you finish the grind you are talking about. You have merely completed a storyline... call that beating a game if it makes you feel like a conquerer or something you need.
Right, c, space bar, c, space bar, got it. That is the skill in it. Almost missed it.
Mineria
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
Yeah, win the game. What a concept. LOL
Sorry, but either your sarcastic or you don't get my point.
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place?
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place?
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Mineria
Sorry, but either your sarcastic or you don't get my point.
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place? If I want Imperial armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want primeval armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want elite Luxon amror, I get 10k faction points in luxon (1 hour at most in pvp or maybe, at most 2 hours of missions) and buy it. It is not neccessary to farm for titles. No titles required to get it at all.
So, what made me laugh was not sarcasm, and if interpreted as such, I apologize. What made me laugh was the premise that you have to work to get other armors too.
If we are discussing the materials to make it, that comes as you go through the games, no farming required by me at least on 5 sets of elites. Maybe I got lucky over the last few years, but never had to farm for it.
The premise that it is OK to add grind to a game that previosly had very little of it is the real issue here.
As I have stated before, if you like grind I appreicate you enjoying that part of the game. If GWEN had more content that was fun, I probably would be playing right now instead of bringing up these points. I still enjoy the other areas of the game. I believe they were done well. This introduction of endless grind is what I have issure with when it unbalances the game with skills and ties armor to sensless C, Spacebar actions that take no skill to complete.
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place? If I want Imperial armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want primeval armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want elite Luxon amror, I get 10k faction points in luxon (1 hour at most in pvp or maybe, at most 2 hours of missions) and buy it. It is not neccessary to farm for titles. No titles required to get it at all.
So, what made me laugh was not sarcasm, and if interpreted as such, I apologize. What made me laugh was the premise that you have to work to get other armors too.
If we are discussing the materials to make it, that comes as you go through the games, no farming required by me at least on 5 sets of elites. Maybe I got lucky over the last few years, but never had to farm for it.
The premise that it is OK to add grind to a game that previosly had very little of it is the real issue here.
As I have stated before, if you like grind I appreicate you enjoying that part of the game. If GWEN had more content that was fun, I probably would be playing right now instead of bringing up these points. I still enjoy the other areas of the game. I believe they were done well. This introduction of endless grind is what I have issure with when it unbalances the game with skills and ties armor to sensless C, Spacebar actions that take no skill to complete.
Star Gazer
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And an MMO without grind is an RPG which...is pretty much what Guild Wars WAS.
edited and quoted for truth. guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
edited and quoted for truth. guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)
I don't know if I would call it work. C, spacebar, C, spacebar, watch the grass grow, C, spacebar. Nah, not work, boredom, but not work.
william1975
I'm not finidng it that problamatic to gain reputation in any of the titles, I've simply been following the story and doign the quests and when comign into an area clearing it. in this way i have gained 40k of norn, 13k of agent and 15k of dwarf. as soon as i hit 25 kills when i come to a shrine i talk to the person next to it and get whatever bonus is there till i reach bonus hunt of 4.
Personally im finding lightbringer far more of a pain to level up being on 24k or so.
Personally im finding lightbringer far more of a pain to level up being on 24k or so.
Vinraith
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guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)
If it's no fun to get titles, why did you bother to max 17? Are you some kind of masochist? People on this board make such a howl and fury whenever Anet adds another "grind" but none of them ever seem to consider not doing it. I can only assume most of you are bitching for the sake of bitching. If the game's fun, play it, if it's not fun, don't. It's not that complicated.There doesn't seem to be any shortage of folks maxing titles, if the favor system is anything to go by. I'm sure Anet has the sense to value what people do over what they say.
lord dragon
OK, maybe I am not being clear enough here. Let me explain the difference in philosophy between someone who doesn't care to grind and someone who does. I will use Prophecies as an example if you don't mind as this happened today.
A guilde created a monk. He needed a staff to get him going with. Kephets is a good one to get him running we both agreed to.
I go to the desert. Set my skill bar up. Exit the city. I carefully evade every mob that I can and avoid the traps set as I know where they are going to be. I carefully pull the queen, then proceed to kill her. Grab the weapon then go to guild hall and give it to him. This is a non grinders way to play.
This gave me a challenge and some fun.
Go to a grinders perspective. We will kill everything on the way. We will hit the traps as they come and have the monk heal us.
I know people like to play that way. That is cool with me.
When though, you tie skills that are not purchaseable or capturable to the people who just hit C, spacebar, you change the game.
The thing that WAS great before GWEN was everyone was on a leveling playing field. That has fundementally changed now in favor of a mass mob instead of a skilled player.
Leave the skills in GWEN stay in GWEN that are not purchasable or capturable. Works for me then as I don't have to play it as so many have stated. Will put it down to the cost of a couple of bad movies.
As for the ones stating that this should apply to the skills in Nightfall and Factions, I agree with you. I have no problem with exactly that. They were designed for that campain, leave them there.
Now, for the ones that are going to state that I am only complaining because it effects a solo farm. If you read above, I didn't sell and wouldn't sell to a guilde. Also, this was an example. If you need more, please let me know.
A guilde created a monk. He needed a staff to get him going with. Kephets is a good one to get him running we both agreed to.
I go to the desert. Set my skill bar up. Exit the city. I carefully evade every mob that I can and avoid the traps set as I know where they are going to be. I carefully pull the queen, then proceed to kill her. Grab the weapon then go to guild hall and give it to him. This is a non grinders way to play.
This gave me a challenge and some fun.
Go to a grinders perspective. We will kill everything on the way. We will hit the traps as they come and have the monk heal us.
I know people like to play that way. That is cool with me.
When though, you tie skills that are not purchaseable or capturable to the people who just hit C, spacebar, you change the game.
The thing that WAS great before GWEN was everyone was on a leveling playing field. That has fundementally changed now in favor of a mass mob instead of a skilled player.
Leave the skills in GWEN stay in GWEN that are not purchasable or capturable. Works for me then as I don't have to play it as so many have stated. Will put it down to the cost of a couple of bad movies.
As for the ones stating that this should apply to the skills in Nightfall and Factions, I agree with you. I have no problem with exactly that. They were designed for that campain, leave them there.
Now, for the ones that are going to state that I am only complaining because it effects a solo farm. If you read above, I didn't sell and wouldn't sell to a guilde. Also, this was an example. If you need more, please let me know.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Vinraith
There doesn't seem to be any shortage of folks maxing titles, if the favor system is anything to go by. I'm sure Anet has the sense to value what people do over what they say. Actually, as long as it doesn't effect the other campains, I agree to just put it down to a couple of bad movies.
As for titles, the only ones I cared about, where skill based. Hence still obtaining elite skills for my ranger. He is over 200 now and counting.
Can I use this to my advantage in the future with him? Absolutely.
Does it take time to do? Absolutley.
Does it take some skill? Yup.
Do I have to kill endless mobs to get it? Nope.
Will it effect my pve play when I get done? Yup.
Did it reward me for getting the skills over and above just a title? nope.
Do I feel it should? Absolutely not!
Mineria
If you get to r4 by quests an dungeons only, and even still do the avoid mobs on your way to locations, where is the grind except the missing points to get from r4 to r5?
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well.
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Mineria
If you get to r4 by quests an dungeons only, and even still do the avoid mobs on your way to locations, where is the grind except the missing points to get from r4 to r5?
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well. Still missing the point. Take the title requirement out of skills.
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well. Still missing the point. Take the title requirement out of skills.
Arcain
I hold rank 5 in Vanguard and Dwarf, I haven't bothered with the other two because they have nothing interesting for me. The point of the post was that the grind should not exist at all, not that I could not do it.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Arcain
I hold rank 5 in Vanguard and Dwarf, I haven't bothered with the other two because they have nothing interesting for me. The point of the post was that the grind should not exist at all, not that I could not do it.
Agreed. It doesn't take any skill to get it at all, just C, spacebar.
darktyco
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
Still missing the point. Take the title requirement out of skills.
Exactly my stance as well.
just rude
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
If I want Imperial armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want primeval armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want elite Luxon amror, I get 10k faction points in luxon (1 hour at most in pvp or maybe, at most 2 hours of missions) and buy it. It is not neccessary to farm for titles. No titles required to get it at all.
QFT,
there was never anything like this b4, its not like you had to kill the same creatures over and over just to get some armor.
......wait
ps I agree most fow is ugly
there was never anything like this b4, its not like you had to kill the same creatures over and over just to get some armor.
......wait
ps I agree most fow is ugly
lord dragon
I would be very happy to see the GWEN skills that are not purchaseable to stay in gwen. They do unbalance the game.
I paid for GWEN, hated it. Now I have to play it so I can PUG in a team becuase of some skill that takes NO SKILL to earn.
Just limit GWEN skills to GWEN. You don't unbalance the game then. As it is, it is becoming more unbalance every day in PVE.
Why would you force GWEN skills on those that don't want them?
I would love to hear Anets response on the balance of the game.
I am so not looking forward to hitting C, spacebar again and again or playing the games in GWEN that I don't enjoy just so I can PUG.
If the GWEN skills are limited to GWEN, the ones that bought it and didn't like it can go in the rest of the game and enjoy it. Now it is hitting a direction that besides wasting $40, I will have to find another game as the rest of it will be ruined by it.
Was that the intention?
I don't give a cr*p about the armor. Tie it to level 25 for all I care. Just don't ruin the rest of the game on us please!
I paid for GWEN, hated it. Now I have to play it so I can PUG in a team becuase of some skill that takes NO SKILL to earn.
Just limit GWEN skills to GWEN. You don't unbalance the game then. As it is, it is becoming more unbalance every day in PVE.
Why would you force GWEN skills on those that don't want them?
I would love to hear Anets response on the balance of the game.
I am so not looking forward to hitting C, spacebar again and again or playing the games in GWEN that I don't enjoy just so I can PUG.
If the GWEN skills are limited to GWEN, the ones that bought it and didn't like it can go in the rest of the game and enjoy it. Now it is hitting a direction that besides wasting $40, I will have to find another game as the rest of it will be ruined by it.
Was that the intention?
I don't give a cr*p about the armor. Tie it to level 25 for all I care. Just don't ruin the rest of the game on us please!
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
I paid for GWEN, hated it. Now I have to play it so I can PUG in a team becuase of some skill that takes NO SKILL to earn.
Quote: Originally Posted by lord dragon Just limit GWEN skills to GWEN. You don't unbalance the game then. As it is, it is becoming more unbalance every day in PVE.
Why would you force GWEN skills on those that don't want them?
I would love to hear Anets response on the balance of the game. Honestly! Where are you coming from with these ideas that GWEN is forcing you to use its pve only skills? What kind of teams are you joining? Your just talking complete and utter nonsense if your trying to suggest that Anet has forced people to use GWEN skills.
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
Either you solo the game on a consistent basis or don't play in the harder areas. I don't judge on ranks, could care less. It does effect the teams though and that is my issue. It already started last night.
You may not want to admit it, but it does.
As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.
And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.
As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books. No my best defence against your notion is that is doesnt happen. I havent solo'd in quite a while, because I wanted to try it with PUGs and I found I enjoyed it.
And in that time (since pve skills were introduced) I havent seen anyone judge another player due to their ranks and question if they owned a certain pve only skills (aside from LB gaze).
If your on about elite zones like FOW, UW and DOA then im not surprised you get that kind of attitude. Thats why I avoid eltie zones because (surprisinly) most people are arrogant prats who want to spend 30 minutes debating why you should change your build.
So no, I dont do hardcore areas like elite zone and maybe thats where your feeling this happen. But yes I do play in harder areas all the time. Throughout all campaigns and GWEN I have never seen someone be rejected or judged based on their rank in a title or whether they owned a pve only kills (aside frm LB gaze).
Even doing all 3 campaigns in HM I never say anyone behave how you are describing. Yes you get complete and utter prats in the game and yes you get some right arrogant fools who want to dictate what build to use.
But I havent once seen anyones title or rank be questioned! The idea of even looking at a persons rank for (for instance) SS, LB, luxon, Norn, Drawf etc etc, never even crossed my mind until you said it.
So that is my defense against you notion that Connecting titles to pve only skills is going to create this l33t attitude of judging people.
My advice to you is that if you experience this kind of thing, tell them to f*** off and go find a decent PUG. Im sorry you seem to have had that experience, but where are you finding these players?
Quite honestly I find it laughable if people are starting to do this, because LB gaze is the only skill in the entire game that could be considered important to use. Any other pve only skills are just nice little touches. If that trend is starting to happen, then i would just tell people to grow up.
But if you give in to that kind of attitude and feel pressured to increase your rank because some moron tells you to, then your not helping the situation. Dont give in to what you say is pressure to grind your titles up. Its your game and if you dont want to use certain skills then dont.
I am so not looking forward to hitting C, spacebar again and again or playing the games in GWEN that I don't enjoy just so I can PUG.
All quests and dungeons in GWEN get you to rank4-5 which makes most pve only skills effective. If you then choose to grind your way to higher ranks that is your choice and no one is forcing you.
The same as with SS and LB points, and the same with faction points. Your talking like you have a pvp mentality where you have to have a more powerfull skill then they guy next to you.
This isnt HOA where you dont get picked unless you have rank[something] in Norn or Asura. People arent like that in pve and I have never experienced that kind of mentality in the 2 years of playing.
Yes it nice if a player has a more powerfull pve only skill, but ive never known anyone to be kicked or not accepted because they werent high enough.
The same as with SS and LB points, and the same with faction points. Your talking like you have a pvp mentality where you have to have a more powerfull skill then they guy next to you.
This isnt HOA where you dont get picked unless you have rank[something] in Norn or Asura. People arent like that in pve and I have never experienced that kind of mentality in the 2 years of playing.
Yes it nice if a player has a more powerfull pve only skill, but ive never known anyone to be kicked or not accepted because they werent high enough.
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Either you solo the game on a consistent basis or don't play in the harder areas. I don't judge on ranks, could care less. It does effect the teams though and that is my issue. It already started last night.
You may not want to admit it, but it does.
As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.
And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.
As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books.
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
If the GWEN skills are limited to GWEN, the ones that bought it and didn't like it can go in the rest of the game and enjoy it. Now it is hitting a direction that besides wasting $40, I will have to find another game as the rest of it will be ruined by it.
Was that the intention? I don't give a cr*p about the armor. Tie it to level 25 for all I care. Just don't ruin the rest of the game on us please! So lets say a player (not you) chooses to use a GWEN skill in (for instance) factions and it makes a certain aspect of the game a bit easier because the pve only skills are slightly more powerfull. Are you suggesting thats just because that one player is finding factions easier due to that, this makes the game unbalanced for those who dont own GWEN? How? Why does it matter whether another player chooses to use a skill that you either dont, or cant use! You might not own Nightfall and another player doesnt. That player caps a NF elite and uses it in factions and it makes his factions gaming easier. You might be in a PUG and asked "do you have that elite from NF called...." and you say "I dont have NF sorry", do you get kicked? No ofcourse not! You doing nothing more then trying to cause an issue and worry people about stuff that doesnt even matter. People in pve are not that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level. And if they are and do, then you leave and tell them to grow up. It just doesnt happen, not from my experience of playing for 2 years. And whether you do or dont own a skill can happen regardless of whether you own GWEN or not. You might be asked to use a factions skill, but you dont own factions. You might be asked to use a prophercies skill but you dont own it, etc etc! Whether a person does or doesnt use a GWEN skill in pve makes no difference to you gameplay, and whether they have a huge rank or small rank in reputation shouldnt make a difference. Personally I think this shows your mentality.... ...you seem the kind of person who judges another player just because they might have rank2 Asura and its not good for you! GWEN has NOT added any unbalance to the game. Any unbalance you are seeing, is just because of your mentality and how you think the game works. But its doesnt work how you think. People dont pick those who have higher ranks the others, this isnt HOA. lord dragon
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Honestly! Where are you coming from with these ideas that GWEN is forcing you to use its pve only skills? What kind of teams are you joining? Your just talking complete and utter nonsense if your trying to suggest that Anet has forced people to use GWEN skills. All quests and dungeons in GWEN get you to rank4-5 which makes most pve only skills effective. If you then choose to grind your way to higher ranks that is your choice and no one is forcing you. The same as with SS and LB points, and the same with faction points. Your talking like you have a pvp mentality where you have to have a more powerfull skill then they guy next to you. This isnt HOA where you dont get picked unless you have rank[something] in Norn or Asura. People arent like that in pve and I have never experienced that kind of mentality in the 2 years of playing. Yes it nice if a player has a more powerfull pve only skill, but ive never known anyone to be kicked or not accepted because they werent high enough. So lets say a player (not you) chooses to use a GWEN skill in (for instance) factions and it makes a certain aspect of the game a bit easier because the pve only skills are slightly more powerfull. Are you suggesting thats just because that one player is finding factions easier due to that, this makes the game unbalanced for those who dont own GWEN? How? Why does it matter whether another player chooses to use a skill that you either dont, or cant use! You might not own Nightfall and another player doesnt. That player caps a NF elite and uses it in factions and it makes his factions gaming easier. You might be in a PUG and asked "do you have that elite from NF called...." and you say "I dont have NF sorry", do you get kicked? No ofcourse not! You doing nothing more then trying to cause an issue and worry people about stuff that doesnt even matter. People in pve are not that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level. And if they are and do, then you leave and tell them to grow up. It just doesnt happen, not from my experience of playing for 2 years. And whether you do or dont own a skill can happen regardless of whether you own GWEN or not. You might be asked to use a factions skill, but you dont own factions. You might be asked to use a prophercies skill but you dont own it, etc etc! Whether a person does or doesnt use a GWEN skill in pve makes no difference to you gameplay, and whether they have a huge rank or small rank in reputation shouldnt make a difference. Personally I think this shows your mentality.... ...you seem the kind of person who judges another player just because they might have rank2 Asura and its not good for you! GWEN has NOT added any unbalance to the game. Any unbalance you are seeing, is just because of your mentality and how you think the game works. But its doesnt work how you think. People dont pick those who have higher ranks the others, this isnt HOA. |
You may not want to admit it, but it does.
As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.
And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.
As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
You may not want to admit it, but it does.
As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.
And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.
As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books. No my best defence against your notion is that is doesnt happen. I havent solo'd in quite a while, because I wanted to try it with PUGs and I found I enjoyed it.
And in that time (since pve skills were introduced) I havent seen anyone judge another player due to their ranks and question if they owned a certain pve only skills (aside from LB gaze).
If your on about elite zones like FOW, UW and DOA then im not surprised you get that kind of attitude. Thats why I avoid eltie zones because (surprisinly) most people are arrogant prats who want to spend 30 minutes debating why you should change your build.
So no, I dont do hardcore areas like elite zone and maybe thats where your feeling this happen. But yes I do play in harder areas all the time. Throughout all campaigns and GWEN I have never seen someone be rejected or judged based on their rank in a title or whether they owned a pve only kills (aside frm LB gaze).
Even doing all 3 campaigns in HM I never say anyone behave how you are describing. Yes you get complete and utter prats in the game and yes you get some right arrogant fools who want to dictate what build to use.
But I havent once seen anyones title or rank be questioned! The idea of even looking at a persons rank for (for instance) SS, LB, luxon, Norn, Drawf etc etc, never even crossed my mind until you said it.
So that is my defense against you notion that Connecting titles to pve only skills is going to create this l33t attitude of judging people.
My advice to you is that if you experience this kind of thing, tell them to f*** off and go find a decent PUG. Im sorry you seem to have had that experience, but where are you finding these players?
Quite honestly I find it laughable if people are starting to do this, because LB gaze is the only skill in the entire game that could be considered important to use. Any other pve only skills are just nice little touches. If that trend is starting to happen, then i would just tell people to grow up.
But if you give in to that kind of attitude and feel pressured to increase your rank because some moron tells you to, then your not helping the situation. Dont give in to what you say is pressure to grind your titles up. Its your game and if you dont want to use certain skills then dont.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
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My advice to you is that if you experience this kind of thing, tell them to f*** off and go find a decent PUG. Im sorry you seem to have had that experience, but where are you finding these players?
Where is in DOA and FOW now.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
We agree, it is creating a L33t attitude that is effecting the game for the rest of us.
Where is in DOA and FOW now. I didnt say I was agreeing, because you gave me the impression this was happening throughout the entire game. Now that youve said its happening in DOA and FOW I understand why your experiencing it.
Those are elite zones and bound to be full of l33t prats. Thats generally why I avoid those kind of places because it ruins the fun.
You wont experience that anywhere else because it doest happen anywhere else. Its a shame because you obviously enjoy your elite areas. People just reach a point where they think their style is the only way to play. If you dont meet their standards your a noob. Its sad but true and its mot frequent in l33t areas...
..my advice is do it with guild members and people you trust.
Where is in DOA and FOW now. I didnt say I was agreeing, because you gave me the impression this was happening throughout the entire game. Now that youve said its happening in DOA and FOW I understand why your experiencing it.
Those are elite zones and bound to be full of l33t prats. Thats generally why I avoid those kind of places because it ruins the fun.
You wont experience that anywhere else because it doest happen anywhere else. Its a shame because you obviously enjoy your elite areas. People just reach a point where they think their style is the only way to play. If you dont meet their standards your a noob. Its sad but true and its mot frequent in l33t areas...
..my advice is do it with guild members and people you trust.
Curar Partida
Well dont they need something to fill in the time for wait untill GW2? 
BlackSephir
Why? It's not like there's monthly fee...
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO?
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO?
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Why? It's not like there's monthly fee...
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO? I hope you are wrong with GW2, but, I will wait and see who complains of grind before I purchase.
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO? I hope you are wrong with GW2, but, I will wait and see who complains of grind before I purchase.
BlackSephir
You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL I am starting to wonder if all the GOOD GW game developers moved on to other things.
I am also wondering if this is what they teach now in game school on how to make a game.
Maybe Diablo could enlighten us on the state of grind and the direction the industry is headed.
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL I am starting to wonder if all the GOOD GW game developers moved on to other things.
I am also wondering if this is what they teach now in game school on how to make a game.
Maybe Diablo could enlighten us on the state of grind and the direction the industry is headed.
White knight lord
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Originally Posted by Kinn
Anyway, that said, if your enjoyment of the game revolves around what clothes your character is wearing, then that's fairly pathetic.
For me, Guild Wars is all about the mission/quest content, creating cool team builds, coming up with clever skill combinations, and interacting with others.
Well WTH does one do when they want to enjoy GW rather then playing the same story line over again with a different char?! Createing team builds that may or may not work for a PuG/heros/henchies when everyone is all about individuality, thinks they know what is best and don't want to listen? Henchies/heros AI dont even compare to a person especially in GW:EN so that idea is kinda shot. Clever skill combos? Have fun with the Henchies/heros because 90% (the other 10% that will try never plays) of the people Playing GW want a build that will get the job done and not waste time. Interacting with others? Everyone has the heros/henchies anymore so no more interaction with the people you just pick up cuz more or less no one can agree on anything or their head is up their A**. Looks to me the only other thing to do is to make your character look spiffy.
The Last Windseeker
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL I've been seeing the same trend. It seems with each new game they come out with they just make it contain more and more grind. And sure, some people may like grind or say that the grind within the game is nothing, but to many people the grind is beginning to take away from the fun the game possesses. I'm beginning to feel the same way; I hate all the grind which is starting to appear. It is pointless, repetitious, and not needed in the game. If the Guild Wars teams wishes to add grind into the game then more power to them, but do not add grind as a necessity within the game to move through it or receive the fundamentals such as armor. As the trend is going now, the original purpose of the game is beginning to become lost: A game which grind is not needed. A game where one can just play for fun and casually and still be able to achieve many of the armors and weapons. A game where the 1337 complex present in many players is subdued. That is the game which is beginning to disappear.
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL I've been seeing the same trend. It seems with each new game they come out with they just make it contain more and more grind. And sure, some people may like grind or say that the grind within the game is nothing, but to many people the grind is beginning to take away from the fun the game possesses. I'm beginning to feel the same way; I hate all the grind which is starting to appear. It is pointless, repetitious, and not needed in the game. If the Guild Wars teams wishes to add grind into the game then more power to them, but do not add grind as a necessity within the game to move through it or receive the fundamentals such as armor. As the trend is going now, the original purpose of the game is beginning to become lost: A game which grind is not needed. A game where one can just play for fun and casually and still be able to achieve many of the armors and weapons. A game where the 1337 complex present in many players is subdued. That is the game which is beginning to disappear.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by The Last Windseeker
I've been seeing the same trend. It seems with each new game they come out with they just make it contain more and more grind. And sure, some people may like grind or say that the grind within the game is nothing, but to many people the grind is beginning to take away from the fun the game possesses. I'm beginning to feel the same way; I hate all the grind which is starting to appear. It is pointless, repetitious, and not needed in the game. If the Guild Wars teams wishes to add grind into the game then more power to them, but do not add grind as a necessity within the game to move through it or receive the fundamentals such as armor. As the trend is going now, the original purpose of the game is beginning to become lost: A game which grind is not needed. A game where one can just play for fun and casually and still be able to achieve many of the armors and weapons. A game where the 1337 complex present in many players is subdued. That is the game which is beginning to disappear.
Started to disapear a week ago and going fast. Not much left to do here I guess. Will leave it to the fanboi's to clean up and kiss anet booty. This is one where the only option is to start looking for another game. What choice do we have.
just rude
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL If you think there was no grind for 1337 armor in prophecies, not only did u not play the game, you are fully kidding yourself.
Where did u get the gold to buy 15k armor in any campaign.
This thread is a joke made by new people.
close it
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL If you think there was no grind for 1337 armor in prophecies, not only did u not play the game, you are fully kidding yourself.
Where did u get the gold to buy 15k armor in any campaign.
This thread is a joke made by new people.
close it
Jongo River
Casual player wealth has increased a lot since Prophecies. It's a couple of months saving and entirely normal play (no farming, beyond NF treasure runs) to afford a prestige armour.
I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.
I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore.
I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.
I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore.
lord dragon
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Originally Posted by Jongo River
Casual player wealth has increased a lot since Prophecies. It's a couple of months saving and entirely normal play (no farming, beyond NF treasure runs) to afford a prestige armour.
I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.
I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore. I am very sorry to see you go. Another one lost the the pointless C, Spacebar metality.
I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.
I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore. I am very sorry to see you go. Another one lost the the pointless C, Spacebar metality.
I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by lord dragon
I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
Why are people only focusing on the non-essential grind aspects of GWEN, and yet no one is talking about the new locations, outposts, dungeons, quests, skills and hours of new content?
There is far more to GWs and GWEN then just the non-essential stuff you can grind for. I personally think this shows the mentality of players in GWs over the years. People are more and more bothered about being able to easily access those purely athetic items or collectable items which might make them look nicer or their gameplay a bit more fun.
But their not essential to the game.
Lets ignore the hours and months of new gameplay that has been added to keep us entertained. Lets ignore the effort Anet put in and jut focus on the stuff thats not even important to completing the game or the storyline.
Its a bit sad that people seem to want to focus on the negative side of things and leave the game, when there are alot more positive things been added.
All this talk about grind pushing people away from the game is sad, because these things which people are complaining they need grind for are not necessities.
New armor, prestige armor, weapons and pve only skills arent needed to play the game. Their just nice little touches that make it a bit more fun. So just because it takes some effort (OMG reachin rank 5 which is sooo hard to do < sarcasm), you complain and leave?
Im on rank 5 on all races except vanguard and thats only after a week of playing!! Be realistic people. I now have access to most everything and I dont even want to use the pve only skills or even like the armors or the prestiage stuff.
And no, im not a hard core player who lives and breaths GWs and is on every day for 24 hours. So dont bother making those comments!
The simple fact is that once you get passed that rank 5 barrier (which is not hard and stop saying it is), you have access to everything and then its like playing any of the other campaigns where you just need gold and materials and to find locations.