Grind, should not be here.

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Breaking news: Prophecies didn't (still doesn't) have grind.
More after this.


Whoops, forgot that Proph was utter failure- look, no grind and only 2 more chapters and 2 expanions and a sequel coming in...
It's official, MMO's without grind don't sell hehehehehehe....

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
considering all mmos have some form of grind, youre fighting a losing battle.

if you dont like grind, dont play mmos.

its just a suggestion but if you dont want grind, you should consider playing single player rpgs. there are some good ones out there with no grind whatsoever. Grind exists in MMOs so they can keep you subscribed longer.

Since Guild Wars does not have a subscription fee, the grind doesn't serve as anything else besides bad tasting filler.

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
Thing is, that at one time GW was able to boast that it HAD no grind. Those "other MMOs" always had it. It was one of the main selling points to a lot of us (including me), and it's one of the things that, you know....made GW...crap, what's the word?....oh right...DIFFERENT! You're basically admitting now that it's just another clone of every other MMO out there. How is that a good thing? :/

When the only argument left is "if you don't like it, play another game"...it's a kinda bad sign. >.>
when guildwars first came out, it was basically a single player rpg disguised as an mmo.

once you beat the game that was it. nothing left to do just like all the other single player rgps. granted, you could play through the same content with a different toon but that could be considered "grind" as well. same goes for pvp endgame as youre playing the same builds over and over and over again to "grind" out rank.

once anet realised that a large chunk of their player base wasnt pvp-ing as a form of endgame content, they added sorrows furnace for the pve player base. continuously doing sf runs for greens or gold could also be considered "grind".

see what im getting at? grind has always been here. people are just a bit more vocal about it now because anet decided to give "grinders" a nominal advantage in pve. wowz, QQ me a river.

as for this game being just like any other mmo in the market, the no monthly fees aspect of the game and the relatively little "grind" involved in playing are what separates this game from other mmos.

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
when guildwars first came out, it was basically a single player rpg disguised as an mmo.

once you beat the game that was it. nothing left to do just like all the other single player rgps. granted, you could play through the same content with a different toon but that could be considered "grind" as well. same goes for pvp endgame as youre playing the same builds over and over and over again to "grind" out rank.

once anet realised that a large chunk of their player base wasnt pvp-ing as a form of endgame content, they added sorrows furnace for the pve player base. continuously doing sf runs for greens or gold could also be considered "grind".

see what im getting at? grind has always been here. people are just a bit more vocal about it now because anet decided to give "grinders" a nominal advantage in pve. wowz, QQ me a river.

as for this game being just like any other mmo in the market, the no monthly fees aspect of the game and the relatively little "grind" involved in playing are what separates this game from other mmos. An advantage that rewards C, spacebar. An award that takes no skill. An award for the unthinking mobs. Yeah, GW is definetly improving.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

I see it more as a way to artificially lengthen a very short expension, than as a "reward". Which is cheesy, to say the least.

I understand some of the arguments, I really do. But the fact that they went against their own principal, and added grind to a game that used to boast about having no grind, is a huge letdown.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
I see it more as a way to artificially lengthen a very short expension, than as a "reward". Which is cheesy, to say the least. It doesn't lengthen, it stretches.

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

I was under the impression BlackSephir was being sarcastic? Or was I totally wrong? >.>

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
A post by him. Contents hidden to avoid embarrasment. lol. You missed the /sarcasm tags.

Edit: Damn, beaten to it.

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

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Yea I did. Apologies then... Can you tell I took it badly lol

Sorry BlackSephir I deleted my original post but it still stands above as it was in the thread directed to the guy that called it a failure a few posts prior to yours...

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolen Souls
I was under the impression BlackSephir was being sarcastic? Or was I totally wrong? >.> Yes, I was sarcastic.
I'm sorry :<

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
It doesn't lengthen, it stretches. So does watching grass grow while you are playing it. Maybe they should have added a lot of intermissions.

Oh wait, that was the game, sorry.


Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lord dragon
So does watching grass grow while you are playing it. Maybe they should have added a lot of intermissions.

Oh wait, that was the game, sorry. Dunno if you with me or against me there, so I'll post:

When I think of something *lengthening* a game, I think of them adding on content like new dungeons, missions, playmodes, etc.

Stretching a game is pretty much the opposite of that, lengthening the game by making the little content it has take longer to achieve.

lord dragon

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Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Dunno if you with me or against me there, so I'll post:

When I think of something *lengthening* a game, I think of them adding on content like new dungeons, missions, playmodes, etc.

Stretching a game is pretty much the opposite of that, lengthening the game by making the little content it has take longer to achieve. Then I am with you. They def took very little content and made it last longer then you can imagine.


Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Take note that I said "artificially" lengthening. But yeah, I guess "stretching" would have been a better choice to describe it.

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

so if someone has a life can't enjoy the game contents?
i thought guildwars was more about builds/skills.....not wastin time pressin c/space bar for days on end to enjoy what the game has to offer.
basically to be able to use the pve skills u have to say goodbye to life.

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mafia cyborg
so if someone has a life can't enjoy the game contents?
i thought guildwars was more about builds/skills.....not wastin time pressin c/space bar for days on end to enjoy what the game has to offer.
basically to be able to use the pve skills u have to say goodbye to life. Pretty much the way it is.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

I get the feeling that ANet has this saying in their design area.

"It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the grind that thoughts acquire speed, the fingers acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion."

@lord dragon

I think its..

"I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my Grind. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my Grind is gone I will turn and face the Grind's path, and only I will remain."

Dune quotes FTW

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Grind exists in MMOs so they can keep you subscribed longer.

Since Guild Wars does not have a subscription fee, the grind doesn't serve as anything else besides bad tasting filler. God truer words were never spoken!

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

pve skills should max out at rank 5 or something....farmin beyond that should only be for title purposes.(title " hey i play gw 24/7 title")
i'm at rank 4 od the asuran title and i'm allready at quittin point....and i did all the quests available.
i will never see the pve skills in action if anet don't change things (at rank4 are not worth usin)

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
I get the feeling that ANet has this saying in their design area.

"It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the grind that thoughts acquire speed, the fingers acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion."

@lord dragon

I think its..

"I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my Grind. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my Grind is gone I will turn and face the Grind's path, and only I will remain."

Dune quotes FTW Oh God, I love it!!!!!


Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by lord dragon
First question I have is, why do we keep going back to a school mentality. Is everyone in school that is defending GWEN?

As for the second, if you friend had skill in math, he may get a great grade in it. I know, I did, right up to calc 2. Some are just good at certain things.

Tell me you have never seen a born pianist, sports player, ect. They are out there.

And last, but not least, math is required for a job and life. GW is not. It is supposed to be for pleasure, to be enjoyed, to have fun with. Obviously it fails at that with GWEN, but did well with the other areas.

So, please remember, some of us are not in school anymore. We don't believe that GW will give us life lessons we can not live without.\

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me. So? I said it applies on everything. The more work experience you got, the better you are at doing your job. The more practice you do, the better you are as sportsman. The more dedicated you are at your hobbies (ie. GW), the better you are at your hobbies. It all takes time and dedication.

So you are complaining it takes grinding to be skillful because of PvE only skills. So having overpowered skills makes you skillful player? I have high rank pve titles but I restrain myself using those skills.

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzta
So? I said it applies on everything. The more work experience you got, the better you are at doing your job. The more practice you do, the better you are as sportsman. The more dedicated you are at your hobbies (ie. GW), the better you are at your hobbies. It all takes time and dedication.

So you are complaining it takes grinding to be skillful because of PvE only skills. So having overpowered skills makes you skillful player? I have high rank pve titles but I restrain myself using those skills. This is to funny. So you are saying that hitting C, spacebar is a way to improve your game? Oh man, thank you so much for that laugh, been a while since I laughed that hard.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

You are the one who have been complaining for not having PvE only skills due to grinding. Since you bragging about skill > time, so tell me, is it necessary to have overpowered PvE skills in your skill bar as skillful player in the first place? More like terrible player who cant progress through the game and wanting imbalanced skills so bad to help him out.

GW has been out for 2.5 years, we were fine without PvE skills and we are fine without PvE skill now. So no, you dont need overpowered skills if you are skillful player unless you are that bad at the game.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

The Grind in GW:EN Sux. As stated in the title of this thread, Grind, should not be here (or implimeted in the way it is). There is no right/correct way or wrong/incorrect way to play the GW period, So that arguement is trash. Imo some of you need a partner (relation ship), or some friends to hang out with if you all have this much time to go back and fourth about the same old crap that has already been posted "flamining"(or trying to in that matter) each other. Half of this post is mainly between three people reapeating them selves which is kinda sad..If the opinion that you are trying to get across is not going through and people keep quoteing you that means they really don't care and think your wrong (that would be everyone), but hey that is what forums are for. So back on topic, grinding sux none of us can really change that (unless soemone is a developer). On the better side at least it is only 26k pts (lvl 5) and not 50k+ pts(lvl 7) (for armor).

LadyNilene

LadyNilene

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Silver Millenium

E/Me

I've been pretty agitated with grinding lately...and the thought of trying to grind for each and every character i own is just overwhelming... please, please anet make it account base or add some type of quest/pvp/event/etc where you can get points in a more fun manner. Farming for luxon/kurzick factions for armor/skills/etc was actually fun....Apsenwood, AB, etc. Do something like that for GW:EN's reputation points, because spending an hour trying to clear an area is NOT fun.

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

i did all quests in asura land....i did even a fair bit of farmin.....and i'm like level 4 of the asuran title....this is digusting.

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzta
You are the one who have been complaining for not having PvE only skills due to grinding. Since you bragging about skill > time, so tell me, is it necessary to have overpowered PvE skills in your skill bar as skillful player in the first place? More like terrible player who cant progress through the game and wanting imbalanced skills so bad to help him out.

GW has been out for 2.5 years, we were fine without PvE skills and we are fine without PvE skill now. So no, you dont need overpowered skills if you are skillful player unless you are that bad at the game. hey sir WE PAID for those PVE skills! so its only fair that after completin the storyline we should be able to use them as well as access armour and other content whisch is precluded from us cos we dont have the time to farm for hours (i can only play weeekends).
if there were more quests to complete i could undertsand......but wtf they are asking us to c/spacebar for 20 hours just to access conent which we paid good money for! pathetic and disrespectful towards their customers

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mafia cyborg
hey sir WE PAID for those PVE skills! so its only fair that after completin the storyline we should be able to use them as well as access armour and other content whisch is precluded from us cos we dont have the time to farm for hours (i can only play weeekends).
if there were more quests to complete i could undertsand......but wtf they are asking us to c/spacebar for 20 hours just to access conent which we paid good money for! pathetic and disrespectful towards their customers Just the title huggers belief that they DESERVE something. Kinda makes you laugh when you think about it. I agree with you

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

I tend to agree that there is only grind in gwen.....even with the dumb sunspears points you got more in the more advanced areas (4 per kill)....1 per kill is just a killer imho.....and 26,000 points to get to even LOOK at the armor (besides those wonderful people who have posted---thanks) is just past horrible.
I for one dont think half of my toons will even get to the HoM let alone do the quests etc to get them thru the game....its just not the much fun, and having to grind makes it much less pleasurable to play.....so only the few toons who wish to get pieces of specific armor will be grinding away to level 5 for their own chance to see them!


grind and gwen I give it two thumbs down (only because I only have 2 to give...would give it more if I had more!)

Mineria

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

Someone was talking about C+Space grinding.
I got a few maps that I would like you to clear that way.
Just C+Space, no flagging, changing to other targets etc.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Btw correct me if I'm wrong but I remember AN saying (before GWEN came out) that there will be minigames to earn reputation points?
So...
Ebon Vanguard- is there even a minigame for them?
Norn- Norn tournamnet? Yeah, 100g cost and reputation earned is a joke.
Asura- don't know, don't care about Polymock.
Dwarfs- Glint Challenge?

Am I missing something? The little minigame called "grind harderd" ?

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Hey! THey should add a Devourer single-player challenge! And a way to get two more skills for devourers!
One IAS(stance) and one health stealing (Elite skill, touch-range)!

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mineria
Someone was talking about C+Space grinding.
I got a few maps that I would like you to clear that way.
Just C+Space, no flagging, changing to other targets etc. That is just it, there are also plenty of places to do C, spacebar for points that are a joke. No challenge, no skill, no reason to do it except for overpowered skills.

See, if it were a challenge to get, using skill instead of just C, spacebar and time, I would be all over it. As it is, this reward the people with no life that believe that a title is important. So, when GWEN introduced time over skill, it fundementally changed the game.

Ashame when you think about it, as plenty will run around with overpowered skills that only hit C, spacebar. Heck, you could run a bot to do the mindless play when you were sleeping I guess, but it kinda defeats the point of playing doesn't it?

Anet did have to do this, as there is very little actual content, so they needed to do something to make you think that you actually got something to play. See, with the reskins on almost everything, and very little of anything added, they needed to do something.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by lord dragon
I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me. I can't believe you have repeated this so many times. Every time I read it I get to the "little death" and I read the rest of it with the sexual meaning in mind and it makes me laugh.

Either you intended a double entendre, or this is unintentionally hilarious...

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Personette
I can't believe you have repeated this so many times. Every time I read it I get to the "little death" and I read the rest of it with the sexual meaning in mind and it makes me laugh.

Either you intended a double entendre, or this is unintentionally hilarious... Was only a signature based on a dune line. Quite funny now that you mention it. LOL

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.