Is Lockpick Retention Rate a Lie?

Lyphen

Lyphen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Random chance is random.

chessyang

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

W/

Ya so i'm board this morning..... wanted to post my findings some day. i guess this is the thread to do it in and i always post on the last page =(

To the OP. yes it's a lie just like the Pie (portal joke). Chest running pays off in the LONG run never short

31 items
21 gold
10 purple
Retain 27 out of 31 @ a 63% chance


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will post any full size SS if need. and if you can't guess the spot try harder =)

Ken34

Ken34

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

NJ

The Maella Abbey[Wii]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
I havent retained one for a long time either. I'm hearing the same from players in game as well.
lol, i dont even recall the last time i retained a lockpick, those things always break.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
No, but the cake is.
Ahhh, I was going to post that... I hate you, lol.


Conspiracy Theorists FTW! <3

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Even with 99.99999999999999...9 (period) % of chances to keep the lockpick you may get it broken infinite consecutive times, since the result of each calculation does not determine the next one.

I Is Special

I Is Special

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

NJ

To Gain Extra Mobility We Play [NUDE]

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Seems ok to me.
Ran 30 chests
broke 9 picks
I have a 63% chance to retain

Thats about right =]

Blackhearted

Blackhearted

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Ohio, usa

none

Mo/

Quote:
Is Lockpick Retention Rate a Lie?
Yep. A pretty blatant lie too.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

The gambler's fallacy strikes again

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

My rate seems accurate. The OP is superstitious.

Lem

Lem

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earth

Zealots Of Shiverpeak

E/

Omgz the Variance Got Me! (see any gambling forum, anywhere if you aren't familiar with threads like this)

The Mountain

The Mountain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Realm of the GWAMMs

Teh Academy [PhD]

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Just got max treasure hunter a little while back. I kept stats for around 2k chests, and the retain rate is close to spot on.

Of course, I just broke 2 out of 5 picks yesterday in NM ascalon (96%)...lol? :shrug:

Lem

Lem

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earth

Zealots Of Shiverpeak

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
On the Official GW Wiki maintained by Anet, the formula is clearly stated:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lockpick
I hate it when people quote that, anet have little to nothing to do with the content of that wiki. All they do is host it, a few of them converse a little, and one anet staff member occasionally puts the updates notes up before the website, and uploads lovely renders of the armour.

Other then that the content is completely player run and maintained.

ShoGunTheOne

ShoGunTheOne

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

Undercity

泰瑞亚联盟

E/

after continuesly breaking 16 lockpicks with 23% retain rate, the next lockpick got retained, twice

how dramatic

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lem
I hate it when people quote that, anet have little to nothing to do with the content of that wiki. All they do is host it, a few of them converse a little, and one anet staff member occasionally puts the updates notes up before the website, and uploads lovely renders of the armour.

Other then that the content is completely player run and maintained.
Regardless, it's accurate information, in this case.

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

started writing down my retain, lost rate before i gave up in disgust in a little over2 months from jan 3 i used 412 lock picks in that time i lost all bar 30

Nemo the Capitalist

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by dts720666
As I go through GWEN, I have noticed an alarming number of lockpicks breaking. Supposedly, I should I have a 52% chance of keeping my lockpick, but it seemed I was only keeping about 10%. So I started keeping track today.

PLEASE help me track this by posting your own results. Post (1) your chance of success, (2) how many Locked Chests you opened while you were counting, (3) how many picks you actually retained, and (4) what this percentage is.

My results today:

Chance: 52%
Opened: 18 chests
Retained: 6 picks
Percentage: 6/18 = 33%

So even though I was keeping more than 10%, my alarms were not unfounded and I was nowhere near 52%. Now, it could be that I had an "unlucky streak" here, and so will continue to keep track, but please post your results below. Thanks!

BTW, just out of curiosity, and only if you want, you could even post gold drops from the chests. From these 18 chests, I got four golds, and 14 purples.

My "gold from chests" percentage is: 4/18=22%.

YES IT IS A Lie if you do lootpicks on the [U]short run/U]] with skewed information and unbalanced data you can say anything *

No it isnt a lie long term wise 100 picks and so on your data will be more accurate

*Balanced data is needed in order to ascertaina this mystery.

Scientific Method and Statistics class will help you on this one my friend

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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ran 25000+ chests pretty much anywhere, NM and HM and retain rate is completly as expected.
i don't cry when i destroy 10 picks in a row, aswell as i dont shout my happiness when i retain 10 in a row, it just happens. 20 picks mean nothing, 100 mean something, a thousand will confirm the retain rate for sure.

Akuma

Akuma

IRC W H O R E

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australian Trolling Crew HQ, rightful leader and administration

Yale University [Snow]

W/

I have a retention rate of 13%, and I've kept on top of my 50 lockpicks for a very, very long time.