You know, whats ironic about our virtual lives!?

Alright.


This is strictly to the Original Poster. I have heavy doubts that I will get through to you, but I really hope I do, for your own sake.


I've read every single one of your replies, including the Original. I you have my deepest sympathy on your life. I'm not denying that it's not the best life you could ask for. Nor am I saying that your pecimist view is incorrect. Everyone has the right to thier own view and their on beliefs. But let me take a moment of time to share some wisdom with you.

You get out of life exactly what you see it to be. If you see your life as a horrid thing, only to get away from, it will only be as such until you see otherwise. Yes, you don't have it as well as some others. But you have what a lot of people don't. You have time.

At the age of twenty it's not too late. It's far from it. Life is only beginning. I know the world seems like a torn apart ahd horrid place. You have bills to pay. Tuition fees will flow in. The ambition is gone, replaced by a contempt for real life and everything in it. How do I know? I've been there and back again. The future seems grim because of the way the world is. There seems to be no hope for you in it.

But let me tell you something. Your real life body is worth a thousand pixalated characters. They never grow old because they are not real, which makes them so hollow. Whether your body is decaying or not, it has something that those cartoons will never have. It will have reality, and YOU have the ability to make it into whatever you wish. No, it won't last forever, but maybe that's not a bad thing. Imagine living forever, like those cartoons. Eternally trapped in a game. Never having the oppourtunity to feel love, or passion, or even the air on thier faces. They don't even know what makes the frost come out of thier mouth when they are in the shiverpeaks.

Real life might end, but that doesn't mean it's worthless. Online games are nice, you get to talk to people, and feel not as alone as you would normally, but you know what? Behind every cartoon is a real person, just like I'm a real person behind this text. And you're a real person behind yours. But they are not worth your immortality. They are part of the business world and it's competitveness to lure in new customers. The old, GW1, will die naturally, as all things do, for the sheer reason that nothing lasts forever. But guild wars or not, your immortality is of too much worth to be put into something as hollow as a video game.


All the experiences you've drawn out of it, you can draw ten fold from real life. All you have to do is give yourself a chance. Say "I can." He who says he cannot, never will. No, you may not slay a dragon or become a hero in real life, but let me tell you something. Even if you own an apartment that's falling apart, but you have at least one friend in the world, it's worth far far more than anything a video game will make you feel. You'll see. You don't have friends? All you have to do is put yourself out there and make some. It's not as hard as people say it is. Yes, you'll fail a lot, but when you suceesd, hundreds of failures are worth it. Find a career that you enjoy. Nothing captures your intrest?

Beta test things. The field for beta testing and game programming is widely growing. Instead of just playing the game, make them and test them before anyone else. That's bound to have more meaning. Go to a technical school for it. Take out a loan for it. Stop telling yourself it's not that easy. Never make things more complex and hopeless then they already are.


And you know what? Even if you fail, if you tried your best, that will be far more worth it when you die then having nothing but a video game.

No video game is worth your immortality. All games die eventaully, as does everything. Do not deny yourself real life. Do not deny your body hope that it can become more than it is. Do not deny to yourself that you have no hope. Do not deny yourself that you are unworthy of friends.

Do not deny life.


I hope this maybe just a little bit touched you. If it didn't, I hope to no end that you figure out the values of life for yourself, as some people have to do.


But whether or not you have hope is up to you, not up to your situation.


Never

Forget

That.

Is there really such a thing about having a everlasting cool looking character?


I dont know. I know that its not likely, and until the end of time impossible, but its one of does things where I wish I was in deniel and truly believed that.. hey... my GW character is still there.

I wouldnt want anyone to play it or see it or use it. I just wanted it to be there. its not about proving anything. its the idea that... real life objects will get destroy over a few hundered years.

if gws characters would exisist on the internet by itself. then perhaps they would always be there.. but they will require a server, to come from? I still wish it was eternal.

I don't see an issue with temporary escapes from reality into GW. The big problem I see is saying there's no purpose in anything we do, since in the end we just die anyway. Yes, you will die. But until that day, you have the freedom to do whatever you want to, so why not use it? The fact that I'm gonna die someday and have no way of escaping it is precisely why I milk every drop of enjoyment out of the short life I was given.

There is always a point in living, and it doesn't wait to be found - you have to go out and find it yourself. Everyone has their own purpose in their life, and you can find one too... but not if you refuse to ever look for it. Sometimes, a reason to live is lost, but then you just need to find another. Finding these reasons generally takes time, but is always well worth it.

As far as depending on others goes... We all depend on others, in varying degrees of dependence. It's part of life. Don't fear it, accept it. We're all individuals, and struggle to be as independent as possible, but really, life's much easier when you have people you can rely on to be there for you in both the good times and the bad. These people also have to be found, like the reasons to live and enjoy life. Actually, some of these people might well become your reasons to live, and might be a lot closer than you think.

Yes, GW will end sometime in the future, we're all sure of that. Who knows though, you might find something you enjoy more than GW. The only way to find out, is to try other things.

[/jumbled ideas mostly caused from lack of sleep]

(Thanks to mod for deleting the insanely sick post by Not_A_Real_Account psycho).


Just a quick question to OP - are you satisfied with who you are? I mean, your personality not your possessions?

I, for one, don't have "virtual life." GW is a game I play, I tend to think of characters I create as improvable "pieces" in said game, not alter egos. As others have pointed out already, it sounds like the OP has far too much of his sense of self worth invested in a video game.

Do not wish that anything is eternal, for nothing is. Even though your character is not real, it does not escape reality, because it is generated by something that is.

You can only live real things to thier full potential. Guild Wars Severs will be shut down. The internet may be destroyed. Computers will become obsolete within 100 years.

Nothing that is computer generated escapes destruction. The newer things will over power it.




Nothing will ever over power your real life. Live your reality to it's fullest. Not your para-reality.

Don't want a volvo and a pickett fence? Get an Iron fence and a hummer.

/amen.........

yes. thanks for it mods! You acted quickly.


As for your question mate - Yes, I think so.

I once beat obesity by just running at 2 AM at night every day of the week, on the side of the freeway with my Ipod. In some ways I am proud of that. But I will say that it goes up and down, but im relatively happy.

I know I may sound like a loser, but I really dont feel that way. I used too. But in the last 6 months or so I have started to feel better about myself. I think thats why I act cool about my weight problem. Because I know I can do it. I have done it before.

I play games. I watch tv shows. I laugh at comedies, I am interested in my work. My mother is alive and well, and I live in a country with alot of possibilities. I can go back and finish high school and take an education at any time I want. I can do night courses. the ball is still open. Except - I am dreaming of not having an average man day job with average man things.

And thats whats interesting about what your asking. yes. Im obsessed about technology. I recently got a 360 and a wii, even though I dont play them. I buy so many computer games... like 60 a year. I finish around 4 or 5! Its insane.
and i am constantly thinking about new computers, monitors, HD-TV 42' with plasma screen... new cell phone.. Iphone... Blu-ray... ps3... and more games, dvds, CDs and so on.

That has become a curse for me. thats why I said.. "its all about technology... in games these days". I feel its moving so fast and I got this mentallity: "oh crap. a new graphics card with DX10 support. I got to have this". I know I shouldnt because im 20 and still live and home.. and I should have saved up for a car and a drivers license or my own place.

I guess thats something that annoys me about myself.


but im able to laugh at myself and take it easy, and relax(like the mika song).


Maybe I am just going through a phase. Maybe I am just not experienced enough at life. I dont know. I never had self disipline... I was a free bird most of the time, so... Well that might be an excuse. I had a good childhood.

Wait, what? OP only played this game for 350 hours in past 18 months? What a hell? I played it 2500 hours in last 15 months, but I don't really care if GW1 will die. It's game. Yeah, we invested a lot in it. Yeah it would be nice if it could last forever, but it won't. Just like us...
As for your concerns about life... I do understand you. It seems so pointless. But...ever watched Saw movies? I wonder, what would you do if you were tied to some killing machine with timer set to 1 minute... I bet you would struggle to survive. Like we all would. There is always things to live for. Or to put it diffrent, there is always reason not to die. Wheter it is just to have one more bite of chocolate (lol), one good sex, or to sell everything you have and go for trip around the world...

I have seen SAW1, and I loved it. I loved the twist at the end. And you are right.

The reason why I said; "I envy does people who could die in a big war like ww2".

I mean... Imagine being an American soldier or a british soldier. Never since has there been such a clear white and black example of good and bad, right and wrong. Does soldiers knew that they would die, to save the entire world from enslavement.
I wonder if does people felt alive?



And while we are speaking of movies... I saw Collateral last night, right after I made this thread. I had seen it before, but I didnt like it as much as some of Michael Mann's others like Last of the Mohicans and HEAT! But I saw it yesterday and I simply was so impressed by it.

Tom Cruise plays an assassin... And in the movie he is so.. He is so tight and fast and content with things. He is this guy who seems like the most extreme idealist or realist(?), and a guy who seems to have everything in control. he seems like someone who is not bound by his emotions. he just kills to get the job done. because it serves his need. like a animal kills because it serves its need(mostly for food.. or protection of off spring or territory).

and the things he says... "Now we gotta make the best of it, improvise, adapt to the environment, Darwin, shit happens, I Ching, whatever man, we gotta roll with it. " and "There's no good reason, there's no bad reason to live or to die. "

"Max: First time in L.A.?
Vincent: No. Tell you the truth, whenever I'm here I can't wait to leave. It's too sprawled out, disconnected. You know? That's me. You like it?
Max: It's my home.
Vincent: 17 million people. This is got to be the fifth biggest economy in the world and nobody knows each other. I read about this guy who gets on the MTA here, dies.
Max: Oh.
Vincent: Six hours he's riding the subway before anybody notices his corpse doing laps around L.A., people on and off sitting next to him. Nobody notices. "


I just love Tom Cruise's character(Vincent). I usually hate these type of movies where the directors tries to make the bad guy, the anti-protagonist, and I hate it, when the anti-protagonist tries to come up with ideas why its okay to kill someone.

since when did this become a social forum?

The OP makes a good point. One of the main selling points to a online game is to play it for a long time to build up slowly to keep interest but knowing the sequel will replace all that investment in time and energy it is a downer.

This is just regarding guildwars. Anet wants us to devote huge amounts of in game play time to max out titles for unknown rewards in GW2.

Good idea or ....

bad idea gw 1 be btter thna gw 2 just a gut feeling '



we dont like instanced areas etc dont want a WoW

sad that technology has allowed for people to think like this

I just laughed so hard. Oh my god.


Starship Anet: Serving your virtual foreverness since 2007

I think about gw again after quitting and casually browse this forum before bed for some comic relief and found this, i almost feel like being harsh to you but you know.. sooner or later just maybe someone will help you out of cyberspace. seek love, and there you shall find life.

roffles

"...In RL I already feel old. I am 20 years old. physically wise its just gonna go downhill from here. the 18 year olds will probably be stronger than me now. my body is decaying. life is starting to be more about bills and ambitions and different schools of thought that I have, is being killed by man's ideology of what life is about - be a drone in drone city, worship drone gods, do repetitive work to make drone currency - to be a drone consumer and buy Ikea furniture to make the drone economy stable, and make sure that drone world continues forever, so we all can live in our little pond of what life is about..."

"...I am afraid. Thats what I think my biggest problem is. I am afraid of becoming old and dependant on others. I think thats what I am trying to escape in GW...."


"...So thats it. I have made threads about it before. why buy and play GWEN.. why bother playing GW anymore when it was all for nothing? when the time.. that cant get returned to you, was wasted on character development that would relatively soon get smashed away...."

"...Why clean your house when it will be unclean, why upgrade your computer when it will get outdated, why buy the latest WoW expansion when they will just make another one and make you grind 10 more levels again..."


"...WHY? Is why the problem? Is asking the real problem?..."


To the OP: Please read again the a/m sentences which have been produced by your own neuronal system.

You convey the existentialism message:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

Albert Camus, a french existentialist philosopher used to say that " the MAIN genuine philosophical concept was SUICIDE "

So now....its up to you. If you decide to stay among us....dont be masochist & self destructive cause its no way...be positive, think positive, act in a positive way.

"...I am afraid. Thats what I think my biggest problem is. I am afraid of becoming old and dependant on others. I think thats what I am trying to escape in GW...."

"...Kierkegaard saw rationality as a mechanism humans use to counter their existential anxiety, their fear of being in the world. "If I can believe that I am rational and everyone else is rational then I have nothing to fear and no reason to feel anxious about being free."..."

You are not alone dude, we all have to face the same fear. According to Boudhism - which is not a religion but a philosophy - we have to get rid off this feeling. It is an everydays fight. Enlight yourself, enlight your spirit/soul.

And take it easy, accept yourself as you are. try to improve yourself cause you deserve it. You are 20 man come on, move your fatass

Keep on reading books, which are the best food for the mind

Again I give you the link of Henri Michaux quotes. this is a brilliant poet.


http://www.littlebluelight.com/lblph...es.php?ikey=19

" While circulating through my accursed body, I came to a region where the parts of myself were few and far between; to live there, you had to be a saint. In times gone by, I had aspired to sainthood, but now that illness was forcing me into it, I struggled against it and I still struggle, and it’s obvious that I’m not going to survive like this. If I had been given the opportunity, fine! but to be forced into it - no, I just can’t stand it." - A Saint - Night Moves -




GW is an awesome game, I praise the devs for their creativity & their global game philosophy, I will buy GW² & I hope to be able to play GW when I am 99.......

Who knows ???? Maybe you will transmit your characters to your daughter or your son.....who will then transmit them to their kids...etc...ALL IS POSSIBLE....just make it happen.

Good game, have fun & keep on truckin

Haha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNF_P281Uu4 = The World

Try to enjoy it.

Enjoy that one tooooooooooooooooooooooooo


http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...t-you-is_music

Depression existed long before technology evolved to its current stage. I am no expert, but am suffering from depression myself. From reading the OP's posts, they do suggest a great deal of depression.

I still suggest the OP to go seek a professional opinion. A psychiatrist is not there to cure anything. A psychiatrist is there to facilitate conversations. Issues get talked about in a healthy way.

It's very clear that the OP has the needs to talk about this, otherwise this thread will not existed. Talking to a shrink works in a very similar way, but way more constructive. Makes things much easier to deal with.

All and all, the first and most important thing that has to happen is for the OP to actually admit that a little help is needed.

My two cents from experience.

Oh dear..

To the OP: It sounds to me like youre having some addiction problem. No offense but if you seek to replace real life with a game you do need help.

As to what you stated in youre post: That dream of youre is impossible, it cannot be done. All games will die after about 5 years after its release, give or take. Not because A-net decided to pull the plug but because the players do not want to play it and expansions can no longer sustain it, the players get bored and leave. The game is no longer profitable and shuts down, this will happen to every MMO out there, it might take a while but it will.

If you seek to leave a mark on the world you will have to do it in real life, not in a virtual world.

Can someone please tell me...WTFBBQ IS THIS?!?!?! I've seen it a few times now, but seriously, WTF does it mean?

the REDENGINEREDENGINE censors swears.

I have seen a psychiatrist. I went to see him because I sometimes just eat a ton and gain alot of weight. Also I had massive mood swings. Sometimes in the morning I would feel everything was pointless. And then in the evening I would be happy. Maybe it was just all the sugar rush from the sweets I ate that did that, tho.

I saw my psychiatrist once a month for 20 minutes. Instead he just asked me to take some pills and answer his questions.


I was very open about it. But the thing was that I felt bad after seeing him. I felt normal and in control before, despite having some eating issues. Perhaps I was just eating out of boredom? Or perhaps because I starved myself all day so I could eat in front of my computer because I thought it was a nice and good feeling?

But I got these pills. I started feeling sick. Soon I got upgraded to 20mg everyday. I started to stop taking resposibility for my life. Hey.. I was taking pills and seeing a anti-crazy man. It was a miracle I didnt jump in front of a car right?
So I made excuses why I shouldnt do the things a normal person would do.

After I stopped and after I stopped taking pills. I started working out and eating right. I lost 20 pounds, in 7 days! I worked my ass off.
And I felt good. I felt clear, and in control.

So the psychiatrist was just crap for me. Maybe I just got a bad one. He sounded like that he didnt care about what I wanted to say. he was just so busy all the time. "just take the pills.. and take some time". I had all these questions...

If I am every going to recieve help again, I think I would try a psychologist. No more meds and pills for me. But I am not sure if I really think I have a problem. Is that really so much mor extreme what other people think, and have fears about?

What about Everquest? Aint that game 11 years old? and doesnt it have 400 subscripers?

Or ultima online? or even some of the old MUDs?

Starcraft and counter-strike are both almost 10 years old now. WoW is 3 and its still getting bigger.

Diablo 2 is still incredible massive... despite the hacking, duping and all that - on gamefaqs.com its forums activity is much bigger than most other games, including gw - but to be fair, GWs fanbase might be spread thin over 4-5 different products with their own individual forums!

im still surprised and shocked to why... why GW2 so soon? I honestly thought that they would make something like 11 campaigns at least with gw1.

The sessions I have are 45 to 60 minutes every two weeks. With an option that I can call him if things get out of control. The shrink I have is great. He's not the kind that gives out pills. I've had ideas about jumping off of tall buildings and so on, and talking to my psychiatrist help to calm things down.

However, I agree that it is a bit of a pain to try and find someone that you click with, and understand your needs. Especially with the high cost that associated with seeing a psychiatrist. Here in Canada it's covered in our basic medical plans. So it's easy for me to have frequent sessions.

My boyfriend also suffers from depression. He have tried anti-depressants. Results are extreamly different from people to people, and from med to med. You need to try different type of drugs to find the right kind, or if meds are the right route. Also, anti-depressants takes a long time to get on and off. It's not easy to get on a drug. It even harder to get off of it. I'm not surprised that you fill sick when you first take the pills. My boyfriend didn't do too well with the meds he had. The drug made him tired and wanted to do nothing but sleep. Once he is off of it, he is able to get back into the swing of things and keep going to therapy. We have other friends who also take anti-depressants, and some of them are doing very well with the drugs they take.

Also, depression is more common than a lot of people would think. It's not an easy thing to get a hold of. It's not like an empty stomach that you can fill. It takes time, and effort.

I'm not here to tell you that you have a problem. I'm here to let you know that I have similar experience, although, not for the same reasons as yours. There is a way to make things easier for yourself, and that is to except the fact that things are not going well.

Well enough of this. I don't want to burden other forum goers with this s*it. The weekend is here (for me anyways)! And GW:EN is waiting...

....btw get some help, its a game plain and simple, its fun, not serious, not life, its when you got a problem in life that you hide away, and now that your afaid your hiding spot will be gone, life will be over, lol no it will put you right back into life, unless you find another hiding spot, which i hope you dont


GL HF

btw log off, and take a break, walk outside for a few mins, you may feel better then

Im not being rude, just saying

your post is interesting but I dont understand alot of it.


I didnt know soren kirkegaard was such a well known dude. wow.

seek help from god. imo most emotional problems can by solved by god and some praying.

Wow this is only a computer game. I couldnt care less that all my stuff eventually gets wiped.

God is too busy playing Halo 3.

i.e. lie to yourself to make the coming end seem more bearable.

I do just fine without any "faith" in some man-made diety.

Stop searching for attention and acceptance in an online game. LEAVE THE HOUSE, go out and exercise, get a dog and play frisbee catch, go swimming, get some real friends and hang out. All it takes is willpower, and that's something everyone can tap and utilize...nothing is holding you back.

GW2 would of had to come out eventually, it's not coming out until another year or so anyway. But it is only a game, and arenanet aren't all technology technology technology they are releasing a sequel for money, you can't blame them they are a company after all.

When GW2 does come out though the majority of players probably will leave GW for GW2. But don't get upset because it's ending, it's a game not a substitute for life, if a sequel was never released it would be left behind and in years to come people will just leave because the game will become old and outdated.

A sequel is a fresh start, people will make new characters to get attached to and spend a massive amount of time kitting them out and making them unique. But if when released GW2 is crap then people will stay with the original in which case you'll be fine. But people will go to whichever game is better.

In short (i waffled quite a bit then): Wait for GW2 to be released, you may like it more. Don't use a game as a substitute for real life, it's not designed for that which is why you're crying over the time when people will leave the game you love.

Just play the game every once in a while to have fun.
Don't think of games as a long term investment, a second life. It will only cause more and more problems in your real life.
If you really are addicted, it can be hard to stop, but you have to try.
I used to think this picture was funny.

But it's not. A lot of people think video game addiction is a very serious issue.

I think OP is not crazy at all, I do believe many of the rank 11+ hero have the exact same feeling about GW2 but they won't speak out. They have spent so much on GW but all of a sudden friends who play with them are gone, that is sad. Apparently most of you who ban OP may not even have 1000 hours of play, so you won't understand how people who spent so much feel. Indulging in virtual life is nothing wrong, people seek satisfication in various way: car, women, money... virtual life is just one of the options. People you meet are REAL, they are not virtual, communications are there.

To OP: I had 4000 hours play last year then I decided to sell my account, because I know every game will eventually die, and it is not worth spending so much time on a game that will make me sad. If you feel depressed with a new sequel, then you shouldn't play online games, I suggest you to play a single play game to truly enjoy a game.

Guild wars dousnt lend itself to years of activity. If you compare the expansions we have now youl find many, many similarities. And while the games are realy great they cant entertain people for long, especially since, unlike other MMO's, Guild Wars has an ending.

But yeah MMO's can reach an age well over 10 years but i wouldnt say they are actively played by alot of people when compared to other games, and are just about on the verge of death, but then i dont define an MMO as dead when it shuts down, but when people lose intrest and only a handfull of people remain.

But im not sure what it is youre after tbh..you certainly cant make youreself immortal by grand achievements in a video game, odds are youl outlast the game. However, im sure i dont need to tell you this but you can take youre achievements into GW2 to some extend using the HoM, thats already quite sompthing.

To make more money. While ArenaNet has other games like City of Heroes that require a monthly fee, Guild Wars has free online access after you pay the initial installation price. Therefore to keep competitive with the other products NCsoft has to offer, the team working on Guild Wars needs to constantly be making new games in short periods of time.

If Guild Wars ever seriously wanes in popularity or the game runs out of fresh ideas, ArenaNet will scrap the entire series and never make another campaign, expansion, or sequel again because the profit margin will no longer be impressive enough.

Also, how can you be reassured when on your deathbed by a character in an online video game? Even assuming that the GW servers went on ad infitum, who would know your online character ever even existed?

Your friends would move on, and your account would remain inactive.

There's no point.

There is no immortality if no one knows about it. Also, refer to my initial post many pages back. Like I said, life is more important than a video game, and you should strive to better yourself there first.

Oh, and by the way, another one of your posts said that real life is boring because you can't use swords and the like but...you can. There are "Real Life RPGs" out there where people dress up and go to the woods and do all kinds of role play related activities.

I don't really know much about it...I just saw a special on Xplay a few years back. Also, watching the History Channel a long time ago, I came across an hour long special describing ancient weapons, where a sword instructor would occasionally pop in to tell the viewer about the art and technicalities behind such weapons.

So that right there is another activity you can do to make your life more fulfilling. Take a class that trains in medieval warfare. You'll be able to learn how to use a sword, you'll wear actual armor, and you'll even get a chance to spar with other students.

I've no idea where you can find either of these two suggestions since I've never taken an interest; the research is up to you.

Good troll.
(/seekhelp)

WTF? I can't believe there are actually 8 pages of this tripe (yeah ... I know .... I'm just adding to it)

This should be a blog, not a thread on a GW fansite.

the OP needs therapy.