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Ruiksis Materious

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Memento Vivire Memento [Mori]

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21 May 2008 at 01:49 - 321

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

All the dragon naming is speculation except for Primordus, which we have proof of his name from ArenaNet.

Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Charr aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Grothmar Wardowns after some epic Charr leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > charr so automatically the area is named after the dragon.

Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Norn aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Drakkar Lake after some epic Norn leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > Norn so automatically the area is named after the dragon.

Geez, the naming speculation is a crock of monkey snot (yay Monkey Island quotes).

Grothmar, sounds like something the Charr would name, no doubt about it, they probably named the dragon Grothmar because in some Charr text that might mean something.

Drakkar, sounds like something the Norn would name, no doubt about it, they probably named the dragon Drakkar because in some Norn text that might mean something.

Geez, I have no quote that makes no sense no matter how you look at it. (yay).

Sca2pula

Ascalonian Squire

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Land Down Under

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21 May 2008 at 10:26 - 322

Hey all.

Me and my brother were playing through the Tomb of Primeval Kings and on the second level we came across this.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1429/92501944ob0.jpg
At first I thought it may have just been another one of the tentacles which are common around the Tomb but the end of the "tail" has a sort of arrow head similar to what some lizards and other mythical dragons have. Also further down you are able to see more of this creature. This second section can be seen better in this screenshot. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8238/96363728fc9.jpg

The parts of this creature which we are able to see could either be one of two things. It could simply be the tail of the creature, in which case I guess the over all size of the monster would be comparable to Primordus. The other possibility is that this could be the creatures body and so this monster would be more similar to the Air Dragon in Ice Cliff Chasm.

Ive looked all over this forum and used the search feature and I can't find any other reference to this creature but I'm sorry if it has been mentioned.

I hope this may be of some interest to you all

miskav

Jungle Guide

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None

Mo/

21 May 2008 at 10:37 - 323

That's one of the serpents that runs through the domains of the gods, there are some in the real UW aswell, and I think 1 in FoW.

lilraceangel3

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Western Mass

Passionate Kiss of the cats [Kiss]

W/N

21 May 2008 at 11:28 - 324

Its always so much fun to be playing and find some dragon or serpent frozen in the lake or walls. sometimes those gigantic bones scattered around really gets my mind racing about what they could be the remnents of.

SirSausage

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Poland

Architects of Forgotten Truths [AoFT]

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21 May 2008 at 11:55 - 325

Wait a minute. Tombs takes place in the Underworld, right?
I found this on the discussion page of wiki:

Quote:

OSSIBLE new DRAGONS?

I found these hidden (not really hidden) dragons buried in the underworld mountains and I was wondering if they have any influences to the ancient dragons we seek. ~ Ascalon Patriarch

please use these links and tell me what you think.

Red Eye'd Overseeing both dragons Blue Eye'd --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ascalon Patriarch (talk) .

They're not ancient dragons, they were transformed into their current form by Grenth after they unsuccessfully challenge dhim for his position, see the Guild Wars Wiki's Twin Serpent Mountains and Reaper of the Twin Serpent Mountains articles for details. -- Gordon Ecker 06:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

miskav

Jungle Guide

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None

Mo/

21 May 2008 at 12:05 - 326

Tombs takes place in the realm of the gods, but not in the underworld.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

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Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

21 May 2008 at 12:18 - 327

The Tombs of the Primevil Kings is an ascention path to the Hall of Heroes. The underworld map section there is only a map, not in connection with the actual underworld elite area.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

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Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

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21 May 2008 at 13:27 - 328

Those dragons are weaving around a TON of places all throughout Guild Wars. I see them most often in HA maps, though.

tehshadowninjar

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Nite

A/D

21 May 2008 at 15:14 - 329

It'd be cool if we had those in real life

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

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long a

Mo/

21 May 2008 at 16:17 - 330

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehshadowninjar

It'd be cool if we had those in real life

No it wouldn't, but you're probably a weeaboo.

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

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21 May 2008 at 17:47 - 331

Never seen that dragon in Tombs, and I use to do that a lot. I doubt it is an ancient dragon as that has been around since Factions, at least, probably since the very beginning of the game. I don't think ANet would have planned so far ahead for GW2's story, probably only up to Nightfall, at most.

As for the "Tombs is part of the realms of the gods" yes it is, and no, not the underworld, although the first level might be a part of the whole Underworld *keep in mind that we probably don't visit all of the underworld, if we do, thats not that many ghosts for the centuries of dead people*.

Seeing how that is the second level *called Scorched Earth I believe* I don't think it is part of the Underworld, so therefor wouldn't be part of the twin brothers. But that does not mean that is not some other transformed creature that challenged the god(s) and lost.

Malchior

Frost Gate Guardian

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London

Mana

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24 May 2008 at 21:51 - 332

Anyone notice the Primordus markings on the wall of ashford abbey in pre?

Check it out Here.

I've seen those stain-glass thingies of him before, but why this in pre? And how do they even know what he looks like? Seems to be he would've been in hybernation looong before the world of tyria started to get life to it.

SPOOOOOKY! Good thing I used to be a Ninja.

Konig Des Todes

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25 May 2008 at 01:09 - 333

That design is also in the Isle of the Dead guild hall. I think that was just meant to be a random dragon, or hydra. Maybe they took the look for Primordus from that and Glint.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

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GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

25 May 2008 at 10:58 - 334

That concept art has been around since the beginning of Prophecies. So its not really Primordus. While he could be based upon it alittle we have actually yet to see what Primordus's appearence is as we've only seen the rocky outline.

Konig Des Todes

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25 May 2008 at 15:03 - 335

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

That concept art has been around since the beginning of Prophecies. So its not really Primordus. While he could be based upon it alittle we have actually yet to see what Primordus's appearence is as we've only seen the rocky outline.

What would be funny, is if it turns out Primordus is smaller then us when he sheds all the rock.

-steps on something- woops, sorry primordus.... Well, problem solved!

Elena

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25 May 2008 at 22:49 - 336

i assume he's the red one

Konig Des Todes

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25 May 2008 at 22:53 - 337

Yes, Primordus is "red", or at least he looks red from the red lava and the stone he is in.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

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Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

26 May 2008 at 15:54 - 338

Has anyone else noticed the bone dragon looking thing in the ice in the end game area of Prophesies?

There's ice all around that area and my husband noticed a HUGE form in the ice. There are big skeletons everywhere in Proph, but this is by FAR larger. While it is skeletal, it is much more reminiscent of the Drakkar dragon.

You can see the bones in the upper right, but they extend down past the "bottom" of the pic. It even seems to wrap around to the other side of the ice. Bone Dragon? Size of Rotscale's great great grampy"

Konig Des Todes

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26 May 2008 at 19:13 - 339

I doubt that is a Ancient Dragon is that is what your implying. It is probably just a dead giant, whatever those things are called. Keep in mind, with the other bones, we never see the whole body, that could just be more "complete"

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

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:D:D

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05 Jun 2008 at 20:35 - 340

well the endgame green area for prophecies only came out recently so i think you might be onto something shakti!

Free Runner

Forge Runner

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Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

05 Jun 2008 at 21:05 - 341

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle222

well the endgame green area for prophecies only came out recently so i think you might be onto something shakti!

That area used to be the lobby for Team Arena back in 05.

Konig Des Todes

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05 Jun 2008 at 22:18 - 342

Indeed Free Runner, they just reopened that area, added the NPCs, and made it an explorable instead of an outpost. I still say that those closed down arenas should be made into Mission Challenges, would be nice to see.

Kemal X

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12 Jun 2008 at 13:44 - 343

I don't think it's dragon, however, found this pretty interesting...

Quote:

"Lore also mentions two unnamed gods that Abaddon deposed, and Abaddon's predecessor, who, in a source of disputed canonicity, is referred to as a spider deity named Arachnia.

Quote is from GW2wiki, under article of Gods of Tyria. In talk page, it seems some people has found that info from .dat
So, Could Arachni's haunt have something to do with this mysterious Arachnia? Could the dungeon be grave of this god? And what if, Arachni itself is some sort of reincarnation of God? I hope this will bring up more discussion, as I would like to know more of all gods in GuildWars universe.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

12 Jun 2008 at 14:42 - 344

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kemal X

I don't think it's dragon, however, found this pretty interesting...

Quote is from GW2wiki, under article of Gods of Tyria. In talk page, it seems some people has found that info from .dat
So, Could Arachni's haunt have something to do with this mysterious Arachnia? Could the dungeon be grave of this god? And what if, Arachni itself is some sort of reincarnation of God? I hope this will bring up more discussion, as I would like to know more of all gods in GuildWars universe.

It shouldnt be taken as anything as it never made it into the game. The Apostates quest does mention Abaddons predecessor but thats all it goes into detail about: that he had a predecessor. The idea of the predecessor being named Arachnia and the concept behind Abaddons dead children were by the looks of it scrapped. Infact they probably took the name of Arachnia and adapted it to Arachni.

viper11025

Wilds Pathfinder

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02/18/05 (Pm me with the place, its a riddle)

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12 Jun 2008 at 15:47 - 345

Ok, my thoughts.
Maybe your all correct by this speculation, but it leaves me to wonder.
If each place is named for a specific reason, like in most games. Gw should be the same.
So, the bones are a stand out. What if, the dragon of orr resurects all these dead ones with bones into skeletal servents like a bone dragon of sorts. Wastelands of NF would be a perfect area for such a uprising.

Off-Topic
Thats one easy spider to kill. XD

Crippie its Tom

Frost Gate Guardian

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Canada!

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R/A

16 Jun 2008 at 20:42 - 346

although those rib cages are big, they're nothing in comparison to the already seen ancient dragons, such as the one in drakkar lake and the one at the end of EOTN

Taisayacho

Wilds Pathfinder

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16 Jun 2008 at 21:11 - 347

there's also a massive dragon skull in UW next to the first of the behemoths, kind of in the hole, but I don't think it's a primordus :P
because those suckers are HUUUUUGE

Mechz

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The Epic Fail Guild [EFG]

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14 Dec 2008 at 07:54 - 348

Sorry if this is old, but I just happened to look up at the sky in the Gate of the Nightfallen Lands, and I just happened to see what looks like... A spiked back? Maybe it was a mountain? Well, I scroll a bit left, and see OH MY GAWD A HEAD. Scroll a bit more left, and I saw its tail.

I went on wiki to see if it was mentioned in the Notes, but it wasn't. So... Discuss?

Symeon

Forge Runner

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18 Dec 2008 at 16:24 - 349

Bumping after approval - my apologies for the delay, and for the random filtering of threads.

Konig Des Todes

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18 Dec 2008 at 16:42 - 350

-please no "Nightfallen Dragon" added to wikis, please no "Nightfallen Dragon" added to wikis-

That looks simply like a design.

If it was a creature, I'd have to say it was a Hebrew leviathan - which is not the giant centipede thing in the Jade Sea, but something more of a giant snake-like fish that flies in the air. VERY Giant.

I actually see three things. A "head" - picture three - of a fish-like creature. A squid or octopus - picture one. And a... well, multiple spiked wheels - picture two.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

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Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

18 Dec 2008 at 19:47 - 351

We need to get this way of thinking out of peoples heads. A background formation in the sky, a huge rock on the shores of Kryta, a formation in the grass in Magumma or whatever the latest suspect is - its not a dragon.

The 8th

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

where the map ends

Seven Ronin

R/Mo

18 Dec 2008 at 21:30 - 352

I would guess the patterns in the skies of Torment are there to give the place a Giger/Lovecraft/all around creepier feel. Looks to me like a random collection of tentacles and other gribbly things that creep you out. Torment is supposed to be a place that defies sanity and order and the natural physical laws that govern our world (or Tyira in this case). It's like "The Warp" , it's not supposed to make any sense.

Mechz

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The Epic Fail Guild [EFG]

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19 Dec 2008 at 11:04 - 353

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

We need to get this way of thinking out of peoples heads. A background formation in the sky, a huge rock on the shores of Kryta, a formation in the grass in Magumma or whatever the latest suspect is - its not a dragon.

I see a monster-esque head, a back resembling a stegosaur, and some sort of spiked-mace-tail.

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

At the very least, it's got a place in lore, and it has the form and grandeur with an uncanny resemblance to the description of an "ancient dragon".

Free Runner

Forge Runner

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19 Dec 2008 at 11:16 - 354

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

Yes i can. Because Anet like to throw in random backgrounds. At Halloween someone thought the background in the sky (which had been there the previous years) was an Ancient Dragon - it was just a random halloween background. There was a mountain background that we spent ages trying to place - it was just a random background. Anet spend a good amount of time and effort on areas to the point of placing in detail such as what you've pointed out in the Realm of Torment.

I'm sorry if i come off strong but in the end that looks nothing like a dragon, ancient or not. I see tenticles in the first screenshot, two spines made to look like mountain ridges i nthe second screenshot and i nthe third i'm not even sure what i see -perhaps i'm lacking in imagination today but i'm having a hard time making it into a head like both you and Azazel did. To me it looks like Anet were trying to echo how aweful torment is.

Konig Des Todes

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19 Dec 2008 at 12:16 - 355

The "head" that I thought I saw I am going to have to take back, as upon a second look, it doesn't look like a head - and I included what I thought I saw in an attachment. Now, it resembles more of a ruptured plain. As what I thought to be the tip of the head, is actually not a tip, but a faded continuation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

I see a monster-esque head, a back resembling a stegosaur, and some sort of spiked-mace-tail.

I fail to see the spiked mace tail...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

At the very least, it's got a place in lore, and it has the form and grandeur with an uncanny resemblance to the description of an "ancient dragon".

We in fact can say that there are things that are just "put there" and things that have meaning. Many things in the sky are just design, as Free Runner pointed out. The language thing was said by an Anet employee who even worked on languages, so that is infallible that there are translatable languages.

And if it has no meaning, it does not in fact have a place in lore. One such thing is this thread on GWO that has no meaning nor place in lore. You might say it's a different case, but really, it's not. Making something out of nothing.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

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[bomb]

19 Dec 2008 at 15:04 - 356

On the second picture I see a dragon like thingy. Similar to the Grothmar. But I have serious doubts they were thinking about dragons when they were preparing nighfall. It is just a concept art they probably reused late on. I think that all non GWEN related traces should be just ignored in relation to Ancient dragons.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

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W/R

28 Dec 2008 at 03:37 - 357

So.. even though I have been on gwguru since '06-'07, I haven't really posted a lot in this part - so bear with me I haven't seen a lot of the info many of you may have. So after gaining some of my curiosity, I was lured onto the new GW 2 wiki site because of the sylavri (sp?). But I found far more interesting was the indication that glint and kuunavang might somehow be related to these ancient evil dragons. Is it possible that the two dragons may be offspring of another ancient dragon that was perhaps the good and noble one? We saw is in regular GW where abbadon was caste away for being too radical, could the opposite happen with the five dragons? Perhaps the same thing with kormir obtaining the power of the 6th god could as well occur.

I have been thinking and I think my theory could be likely since the history of the dragons is relatively unknown. Also, they may even introduce a third never before seen dragon in Elona, which we haven't seen a dragon for. I think it would only make sense that the good dragon sealed away all of the bad ones and eventually disappeared and passed on lesser abilities to its offspring to guard the lands.

Anyways, I just thought that the storyline could be potentially interesting and it might be why I buy the game =). Any thoughts?

Crom The Pale

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28 Dec 2008 at 04:41 - 358

I went through the other threads on dragons here and didn't find any reference or pics of this dragon. Could this be one more of the Ancient Dragons?

This is a shot from GW:EN, I was having mouse trouble and just happened to look up and spot this.

Sorry if this has already been spoted, discussed and dismissed.

the savage nornbear

Wilds Pathfinder

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The Raging Cadavers [rage]

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28 Dec 2008 at 05:09 - 359

DRAGONS! I don't remember this one, but I feel like it must have been found.

Gmr Leon

Wilds Pathfinder

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28 Dec 2008 at 05:30 - 360

I think perhaps you may have misread the Movement of the World, at least, I think that's the proper article. Anyway, whenever they mention Kuunavang and Glint, it appears that they are trying to stress the point that the Ancient Dragons and Kuunavang and Glint are not related.

In fact, we know Glint's origins, she was, according to the lore, the first creation of the Gods.