Dragons are a species, there probably is no limit to them (except when heroes go about making dragon omelette), just a matter of how many of the really power old ones are going to come alive for GW2.
There are plenty of large monsters in the ancient past of the GW world, it seems. You see their bones all over the place. May be old dead dragons, or other stuff.
Whether Kunaaveg and Saltspray dragons are the same species as Glint and/or the ancient dragons, is another question altogether. Who knows are are ancient and powerful Canthan style dragons too, mind-controlling the future emperor to help set it free.
While its cliched, I hope there are some ancient good dragons too, to give us a hand.
The Dragon - Our next threat in GW2?
arsie
ValaOfTheFens
Was it ever made clear that the Ancient Dragons are older than Dragons like Kuunavang and Glint or are they about the same age but much more powerful? From what I read the Ancient Dragons are at least as powerful as the Gods but power and age don't always go hand and hand.
Free Runner
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Was it ever made clear that the Ancient Dragons are older than Dragons like Kuunavang and Glint or are they about the same age but much more powerful? From what I read the Ancient Dragons are at least as powerful as the Gods but power and age don't always go hand and hand.
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super strokey
So magic created the dragons, does that mean they are from the mists or were created by something else? They predate man and the forgotten easily. They seem to be the antithesis of teh current gods who are more of a hands off kinda thing, prehaps they are the other half of the balancing act? Like many people see dwayna and grenth as opposites but maybe they have different opposites too (if that makes any sense).
Accursed
if it's gonna be a dragon for each God in the game, make a good dragon representing Kormir
Sirius-NZ
I doubt there is any such thing... I've been hearing of seven dragons, not six, anyway.
Fangclaw
All will be revealed in due time... We just gotta be patient enough for it.
Then we can do more then just speculate...
/close anyone?
Then we can do more then just speculate...
/close anyone?
Konig Des Todes
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They seem to be the antithesis of teh current gods who are more of a hands off kinda thing, prehaps they are the other half of the balancing act? Like many people see dwayna and grenth as opposites but maybe they have different opposites too (if that makes any sense).
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Konig Des Todes
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GW has a ridiculous amount of Drakes, you'd think there are more dragons as well.
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Vlox is an enterprising Asura, if I am not mistaken.
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Konig Des Todes
In terms of the whole dragons and gods and abaddon relation, other then what i mentioned above, what i once thought of, and reading some of this made me remember it, is this:
Primordious and the other ancient dragons really created the world. They created generals *the very first gods* and started letting their generals create beings. The general's beings where not evil and opposed the ancient dragons. Some of the beings overthrew some of the generals, creating the first 6 gods*possibly 7 if menzies is a god, havn't found anything that says he isnt*. The 6 or 7 gods overthrew the dragons somehow and put them into hibernation. The ancient dragons corrupted Abaddon, Menzies, and Dhuum *not initially* with their last strength. Abaddon's corruption is noticed and he is imprisoned. Dhuum's corruption is later noticed and Grenth overthrew him. Menzies is currently fighting Balthazar. Glint is fooling us with helping the 5 gods *not yet 6*, in order to keep herself safe, same for kuunavang. Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies are attempting to prepare the way for their masters *the ancient dragons* but are stopped by the 5/6 gods and glint/kuunavang, because they wanted to have all *now* 8 gods dead. Dragons awake because the gods' hold on them fail, in fear the gods leave the world completely *stop giving favor and wanting heroes to save the world.
Primordious and the other ancient dragons really created the world. They created generals *the very first gods* and started letting their generals create beings. The general's beings where not evil and opposed the ancient dragons. Some of the beings overthrew some of the generals, creating the first 6 gods*possibly 7 if menzies is a god, havn't found anything that says he isnt*. The 6 or 7 gods overthrew the dragons somehow and put them into hibernation. The ancient dragons corrupted Abaddon, Menzies, and Dhuum *not initially* with their last strength. Abaddon's corruption is noticed and he is imprisoned. Dhuum's corruption is later noticed and Grenth overthrew him. Menzies is currently fighting Balthazar. Glint is fooling us with helping the 5 gods *not yet 6*, in order to keep herself safe, same for kuunavang. Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies are attempting to prepare the way for their masters *the ancient dragons* but are stopped by the 5/6 gods and glint/kuunavang, because they wanted to have all *now* 8 gods dead. Dragons awake because the gods' hold on them fail, in fear the gods leave the world completely *stop giving favor and wanting heroes to save the world.
Raiku
After clearing Arachni's Haunt, I notice that there were bones of massive and epic proportions. Some resemble a dragon's rib cage or neck, and I am wandering if this is one of the graveyard of ancient dragon.... perhaps a sleeping place of an undead one?
What do you guy think?
What do you guy think?
pamelf
screenshot? I don't really feel like running there just to have a look...
boogerboy72
yeah ive noticed too, never thought about the dragon though. Your talking about the boss room correct?
Phoenix Tears
The Ancient Undead Dragon will rise up with Orr ...
JeniM
[img]Random "Screen shot or it didn't happen" picture[/img]
arcanemacabre
Same types of bones are all over Tyria. Look at the Crystal Desert, Desolation, and many dungeons in EoTN like the first level of Raven's Point.
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Same types of bones are all over Tyria. Look at the Crystal Desert, Desolation, and many dungeons in EoTN like the first level of Raven's Point.
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There's a pretty epic skeleton under the iron bridge where the Gargoyle Skull Collector is.
pamelf
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Pre-Searing Catacombs too.
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arcanemacabre
Here's one in the Arid Sea, with my Necro standing in front to show the size:
yeah, tis a big mamma-jamma.
yeah, tis a big mamma-jamma.
Rekiara Malevu
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The Great Giants
The Great Giants (species Giganticus Lupicus according to human scientists) wandered the barren landscape of Tyria thousands of years before any other sentient life. Excavations place these mysterious mythical creatures at about 10,000 years BE. It is speculated that the massive bones lying all around Tyria, like in the sands of the Crystal Desert, belong to these mythical giants. Most Tyrians do not give credence to these ancient myths. But those who study history believe their existence to be fact. |
Bryant Again
I'd like the thought of an undead desert dragon, it would be pretty cool and not cliche.
Avoc
There are tons of these kinds of bones lying around in Tyria.
In pre-searing, in the catacombs there is a metal bridge, and under that bridge is a giant dragon-like skeleton.
In post searing, almost right outside Grench Courthouse are several giant bones lying about. Perhaps victims of when the dragons were awake last time.
In pre-searing, in the catacombs there is a metal bridge, and under that bridge is a giant dragon-like skeleton.
In post searing, almost right outside Grench Courthouse are several giant bones lying about. Perhaps victims of when the dragons were awake last time.
JeniM
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Perhaps victims of when the dragons were awake last time.
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Why are the dragons asleep anyway? Did they kill all the giant creatures of Tyria (left the bones around the place) and went into hibernation until a new food source was availiable, or did the Gods put them to sleep?
Fried Tech
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So dragons killed the dinosaurs!!!
Why are the dragons asleep anyway? Did they kill all the giant creatures of Tyria (left the bones around the place) and went into hibernation until a new food source was availiable, or did the Gods put them to sleep? |
Lord Sojar
Krayt dragons? Seems likely.
homer54
What about the giant spine between Dalada Uplands and Grothmar Wardowns in GW:EN? Much bigger then any of the ones I have seen elsewhere and visible from 2 zones.
ShadowsRequiem
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What about the giant spine between Dalada Uplands and Grothmar Wardowns in GW:EN? Much bigger then any of the ones I have seen elsewhere and visible from 2 zones.
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Free Runner
Its speculated that they are just bones left from the GL (As said the bones are all over Tyria however i always thought they put those bones there to make it look like Aranchi and her children had eaten away at something.
There are only 3 Ancient Dragons visible in Guild Wars.
There are only 3 Ancient Dragons visible in Guild Wars.
Chthon
[edit: I am an idiot. Disregard this entire post.]
Supposedly, the large spine thing between Dalada Uplands and Grothmar Wardowns is a sleeping dragon. As is the thing under Drakkar lake.
So the D. Uplands sorta kinda makes sense as a drop site for them. Except for the fact that people have poured thousands upon thousands of keys into chests there without producing a single screenshot of one dropping...
[Warning: Pure THEORYCRAFT ahead:]
But... Being a totally random locked-chest/multiple-dungeon-chest drop seems out of place with the other drops. It seems to me that it really should either (a) drop somewhere in Elona like the Serpentine Reaver, or (b) drop from a "home" dungeon chest like the other new items.
If it were an Elonian drop, I'd see 2 big possibilities:
1. Critters that carry shields. Kinda like the ghosts that can be seen carrying the dead sword, perhaps there's a critter somewhere that can be seen carrying the draconic aegis. Harpies, Heket, Kournans, Corairs, Awakened, Ghosts, Djinn are the shield-bearing Elonian species I can think of. I've taken a halfway serious look at Harpies, Heket, and Djinn without seeing it. I'd imagine that SS/LB farmers would have found them by now if Awakened dropped them.
2. Drakes. Lore rationale -- drakes are kinda like small dragons, so maybe they can drop draconic aegises. I tried Drakes on a Plain a few times and came up dry. Haven't tried the Istani drakes in HM. (I also tried farming the drakes in Battledepths, and I came to the conclusion that (1) they don't seem to drop draconic aegises, and (2) they don't seem to drop much else either...)
If it's got a "home" chest, here's my thoughts about the possibilities:
Or, who knows, maybe it really is just a super-rare, super-random drop.
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What about the giant spine between Dalada Uplands and Grothmar Wardowns in GW:EN? Much bigger then any of the ones I have seen elsewhere and visible from 2 zones.
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So the D. Uplands sorta kinda makes sense as a drop site for them. Except for the fact that people have poured thousands upon thousands of keys into chests there without producing a single screenshot of one dropping...
[Warning: Pure THEORYCRAFT ahead:]
But... Being a totally random locked-chest/multiple-dungeon-chest drop seems out of place with the other drops. It seems to me that it really should either (a) drop somewhere in Elona like the Serpentine Reaver, or (b) drop from a "home" dungeon chest like the other new items.
If it were an Elonian drop, I'd see 2 big possibilities:
1. Critters that carry shields. Kinda like the ghosts that can be seen carrying the dead sword, perhaps there's a critter somewhere that can be seen carrying the draconic aegis. Harpies, Heket, Kournans, Corairs, Awakened, Ghosts, Djinn are the shield-bearing Elonian species I can think of. I've taken a halfway serious look at Harpies, Heket, and Djinn without seeing it. I'd imagine that SS/LB farmers would have found them by now if Awakened dropped them.
2. Drakes. Lore rationale -- drakes are kinda like small dragons, so maybe they can drop draconic aegises. I tried Drakes on a Plain a few times and came up dry. Haven't tried the Istani drakes in HM. (I also tried farming the drakes in Battledepths, and I came to the conclusion that (1) they don't seem to drop draconic aegises, and (2) they don't seem to drop much else either...)
If it's got a "home" chest, here's my thoughts about the possibilities:
- Catacombs of Kathandrax - No. Already has a new skin.
- Rragar's Menagerie - No. Already has a new skin.
- Cathedral of Flames - No. (1) It's too easy for a such a great skin, and (2) this dungeon gets done a billion times a day, so, if it was there, there'd be a screenshot by now.
- Ooze Pit - Probably not. Too easy for a such a great skin.
- Darkrime Delves - Probably not. Too easy for a such a great skin.
- Frostmaw's Burrow - Possibly. It's long and hard enough I suppose. But there's no lore connection and people do it often enough that, if it was there, there'd probably be a screenshot by now.
- Sepulchre of Dragrimmar - No. Too easy.
- Raven's Point - No. Too easy.
- Vloxen Excavations - Maybe. Seems a bit too easy though.
- Bogroot Growths - No. Already has a new skin.
- Bloodstone Caves - No. Too easy.
- Shards of Orr - Maybe. It's sure hard enough to get a new skin. And it sorta fits with the lore, since it's in/under Orr, where the Orrian Dragon is supposed to be hanging out. And people hate and avoid this dungeon enough that it could be not found yet/a well-kept secret.
- Oola's Lab - There's a rumor that it's here. However, (1) it seems too easy, and (2) I've done it a bunch (based on aforesaid rumor) and I've got nothing to show for it.
- Arachni's Haunt - Probably not. Seems to easy. Big-ass bones are common to many places in GW.
- Slavers' Exile - Maybe. There's an unsubstantiated claim of it on the official wiki. However, (1) it seems odd to put yet another super-rare item in that chest, and (2) that dungeon gets done so much that, if it was there, there'd be a screenshot by now.
- Fronis Irontoe's Lair - Obviously not.
- Secret Lair of the Snowmen - Obviously not.
- Heart of the Shiverpeaks - Probably not. Too easy and gets done so much that, if it was there, there'd be a screenshot by now.
- FoW - Probably not. It already got 2 new skins and recently gets done so much that, if it was there, there'd be a screenshot by now. Unsubstantiated claim on the official wiki notwithstanding.
- UW - Probably not. Already has the Eternal Blade and supposedly got the Compass too. Plus it gets done so much that, if it was there, there'd be a screenshot by now. Unsubstantiated claim on the official wiki notwithstanding.
- Deep/Urgoz - Maybe. But a-net seems to hate Cantha. So I doubt it.
Or, who knows, maybe it really is just a super-rare, super-random drop.
Eldin
If you'd played Prophecies even a bit you'd know they're all over. I assume they're True Giants or other things.
CoF also has one, I think near the end of level two - the room with the hidden treasures in the lava.
CoF also has one, I think near the end of level two - the room with the hidden treasures in the lava.
Sirius-NZ
Chthon - this doesn't seem to be a thread about the Draconic Aegis 
Konig Des Todes
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But yeah, those bones are just ment to show that its a nest and that Arachni and its children have eaten hug things *in other words, a horde of spiders live there*.
Free Runner
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Chthon - this doesn't seem to be a thread about the Draconic Aegis
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I'm feeling kinda dumb now.
Shinx the Reaper
So far I seen bones or images of the dragons in the following locations
Drakkar lake(Dragon of Corruption) Drakkar, I assume is the Dragon of Ice
Dalada uplands (back of the spine shows)Grothmar, the Water Dragon.
Central transfer chamber (Primordus is the name of the 1st to awaken) Fire dragon
Crystal desert(Undead Dragon of Orr) It says to be the most deadly dragon of them all, so I heard.
4 out of the 7 dragons have been seen so far. So I'm missing three of the ancient dragons. Anyone know where the others are?
Drakkar lake(Dragon of Corruption) Drakkar, I assume is the Dragon of Ice
Dalada uplands (back of the spine shows)Grothmar, the Water Dragon.
Central transfer chamber (Primordus is the name of the 1st to awaken) Fire dragon
Crystal desert(Undead Dragon of Orr) It says to be the most deadly dragon of them all, so I heard.
4 out of the 7 dragons have been seen so far. So I'm missing three of the ancient dragons. Anyone know where the others are?
Konig Des Todes
I would like to point out, Grothmar is not the name of the Dragon in the middle of the lake, nor do we even know if its a "Water Dragon." Both of those are pure speculations, but that is an Ancient Dragon.
Also, there is a Dragon, called the "Deep Sea Dragon" at the bottom of the sea between Tyria/Elona and Cantha, of course, like the dragon of Orr, we cannot go to it, the last dragons are unknown of location. Also, I would also like to ask where you get 7 dragons. Unless my memory is failing or I missed some update on gw2, I do not remember the amount of Ancient Dragons being said.
Also, there is a Dragon, called the "Deep Sea Dragon" at the bottom of the sea between Tyria/Elona and Cantha, of course, like the dragon of Orr, we cannot go to it, the last dragons are unknown of location. Also, I would also like to ask where you get 7 dragons. Unless my memory is failing or I missed some update on gw2, I do not remember the amount of Ancient Dragons being said.
Free Runner
There are only 6 known Dragons and thats supposing the Desert Dragon is different from the Dragon located in Grothmar Wardowns (the name "Water Dragon" came from concept art of the dragon itself though thats probably not its final name)
Eldin
All the dragon naming is speculation except for Primordus, which we have proof of his name from ArenaNet.
Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Charr aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Grothmar Wardowns after some epic Charr leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > charr so automatically the area is named after the dragon.
Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Norn aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Drakkar Lake after some epic Norn leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > Norn so automatically the area is named after the dragon.
Geez, the naming speculation is a crock of monkey snot (yay Monkey Island quotes).
Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Charr aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Grothmar Wardowns after some epic Charr leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > charr so automatically the area is named after the dragon.
Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Norn aren't ancient? MAYBE they weren't around when the dragons walked Tyria? MAYBE they named Drakkar Lake after some epic Norn leader? Oh that's right, there's a dragon there and dragons > Norn so automatically the area is named after the dragon.
Geez, the naming speculation is a crock of monkey snot (yay Monkey Island quotes).
Konig Des Todes
I would have to say Grothmar is the name of soem old charr. But the Drakkar could be named after the Dragon, seeing the origin of the meaning of Drakkar, which was something like Dragon Ship or something...but I do not think that would be the Dragon's actual name, for now, it's just a "code name" for it.
And Free Runner, thanks for verifying the known amount of dragons, I thought it was 6 not seven with the Desert Dragon and "Water Dragon" being different.
And Free Runner, thanks for verifying the known amount of dragons, I thought it was 6 not seven with the Desert Dragon and "Water Dragon" being different.
Free Runner
People name the dragons "Drakkar" and "Grothmar" for easier reference. Calling the one located in Grothmar "Water Dragon" sometimes makes people mistake the Grothmar one for the Drakkar one.
The only offical name we have is Primordus. The Drakkar one is only reffered to as "Dragon of Ice and Snow".
The only offical name we have is Primordus. The Drakkar one is only reffered to as "Dragon of Ice and Snow".