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Griffin Bones

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Sweet Vendetta [SxV]

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21 Mar 2008 at 22:29 - 281

Hey guys, my first post. My dad was playing his Pre-Searing Monk when he noticed some bones at the bottom of a canyon in the catacombs. Hopefully the following video can show some detail, but it's in an awkward spot to get a great look at. I've set up related images below. It's reminiscent of Bone Dragons, and much bigger, and in a creepy location - I figured it may be helpful. What do you guys think?
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YouTube link to video. Kinda low quality..
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Just saw this comment, too. I guess this is more of a follow-up then, ya?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Pre-Searing Catacombs too.
There's a pretty epic skeleton under the iron bridge where the Gargoyle Skull Collector is.

(here)

My dad also comments that "It looks like some other dragons got caught down there with it." Not sure why that would be the case..perhaps some dragon uprising or something.

SilentVex

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Maguuma Stade

21 Mar 2008 at 23:03 - 282

There are similarly sized dragon bones outside Flame Temple Corridor in Diessa Lowlands, and I expect probably in Dragon's Gullet. Not sure about the latter, haven't been there in a while.

Edit: Just took a run through Gullet for old time's sake. There are some of the same huge bones in the south eastern part of the zone.

Free Runner

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GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

21 Mar 2008 at 23:54 - 283

There are bones like that all over the Crystal Desert,Underworld and in Ascalon areas and Dungeons. There are no visible Dragons outside of Eye of the North. The bones found are suspected to be from the Great Giants (Giganticus Lupicus).

Eldin

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Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

22 Mar 2008 at 02:43 - 284

You may want to read other threads more.

Those bones are just for decoration, generally to suggest how big and ancient the world is - more jumpy conclusions include that they are the bones of the Great Giants (Giganticus Lupicus).

yakuza

Frost Gate Guardian

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22 Mar 2008 at 16:29 - 285

hehe i would like to see a Giganticus Lupicus somewhere^^
i would RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO him up if he tryed anything

Eldin

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22 Mar 2008 at 22:50 - 286

I imagine them looking like Sand Giants but bigger, though the skeleton clearly suggests something else, as if they're quadruped.

Shadowmere

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22 Mar 2008 at 23:11 - 287

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

I imagine them looking like Sand Giants but bigger, though the skeleton clearly suggests something else, as if they're quadruped.

That's my thought as well, some of the giant skulls seem almost elephant-like

though I'm pretty sure a lot of the bones in the crystal desert are sea creature bones (whales anyone?), keeping in mind that the crystal desert was all ocean way back in the day.

Fangclaw

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Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast

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23 Mar 2008 at 00:09 - 288

That Idea makes sense actually...

What better way to reintroduce The Catacombs into the game? And shouldnt it make sense to make the Undead Dragon rise from there?

Albeit its officially said he'll rise from Orr... But in 250 years, things change a lot. Maybe the earthquakes in GWEN or just time made The Catacombs extend somewhat or shift southward a little...

Konig Des Todes

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23 Mar 2008 at 00:17 - 289

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fangclaw

That Idea makes sense actually...

What better way to reintroduce The Catacombs into the game? And shouldnt it make sense to make the Undead Dragon rise from there?

Albeit its officially said he'll rise from Orr... But in 250 years, things change a lot. Maybe the earthquakes in GWEN or just time made The Catacombs extend somewhat or shift southward a little...

I don't get how an underground tunnel system can move so much in only 250 years. Also, if the catacombs move...then all of *GW2 time, what was*ascalon would move as well, seeing how the catacombs are in ascalon.

Fangclaw

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Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast

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23 Mar 2008 at 00:35 - 290

They're underground, that fact might change things a bit...

Its probably more likely that if this is indeed the Undead Dragon, then the GWEN earthquakes have something to do in this... however small that part may be...

The Catacombs were sealed away in The Searing but those quakes and time will open them again.

Who knows?

Shadowmere

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24 Mar 2008 at 00:14 - 291

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fangclaw

They're underground, that fact might change things a bit...

Its probably more likely that if this is indeed the Undead Dragon, then the GWEN earthquakes have something to do in this... however small that part may be...

The Catacombs were sealed away in The Searing but those quakes and time will open them again.

Who knows?

I would like that, the catacombs were a good place...odd they weren't around in post they'd be so fitting for post-sear ascalon anyways.

While I doubt it's the undead dragon that flies out of Orr (the bones are much to small to be one of the "great" dragons) I wouldn't doubt it could easily be some kind of "minion dragon" or something to that effect.

hmm...a shame though, now that i think of it I think they dropped one of the bigger crystals smack dab in the middle of the catacombs judging by the map.

Mr Fizzle

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W/E

24 Mar 2008 at 21:43 - 292

Probaly just one of those giant thingies,or scenary.

Eldin

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Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

24 Mar 2008 at 23:20 - 293

We've been wishing since Prophecies to go into the Post-Searing catacombs. It'd be neat.

Hopefully in GW2...maybe some new passages open in it and it can now be used as a secret "underground railroad" to get around Ascalon.

Felixious

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04 Apr 2008 at 13:38 - 294

I'd say the catacombs got destroyed in the searing, since one can't enter them anymore. But i mean, you can't swim either, so i'm probably wrong.

KnivesOfBloodAndPain

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09 Apr 2008 at 06:05 - 295

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felixious

I'd say the catacombs got destroyed in the searing, since one can't enter them anymore. But i mean, you can't swim either, so i'm probably wrong.

Swimming in the tar-pits of Ascalon, a limited time offer, you can save 2 platinum by buying the family pack.

On topic: The undead dragon originating from catacombs would make sense since the ghosts on top of catacombs are "immortal" he would have to find a better place to surface, and what better place than Orr, where the gods once walked.

Minus30

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11 Apr 2008 at 11:45 - 296

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnivesOfBloodAndPain

Swimming in the tar-pits of Ascalon, a limited time offer, you can save 2 platinum by buying the family pack.

On topic: The undead dragon originating from catacombs would make sense since the ghosts on top of catacombs are "immortal" he would have to find a better place to surface, and what better place than Orr, where the gods once walked.

Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe the catacombs extend ALOT further than we first anticipated. There's a good possibility that GWEN Tombs are connected to them too (architecture) and that they lead to Orr.

*Off to find secret passageways*

EDIT: Now I think of it, it could also be some dead minions of one of the dragons

BladeWind

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06 May 2008 at 22:28 - 297

Those bones are definatly not Giganticus Lupicus. they are of an ancient dragon, dead of course.

How do i know this?

At halloween go to droknars forge, there is a Giganticus Lupicus skull with a candle on it.

Konig Des Todes

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07 May 2008 at 20:26 - 298

Quote:

Originally Posted by BladeWind

Those bones are definatly not Giganticus Lupicus. they are of an ancient dragon, dead of course.

How do i know this?

At halloween go to droknars forge, there is a Giganticus Lupicus skull with a candle on it.

Simple holiday decorations cannot be taken as a fact of something in the game. Besides, ever thought that this "Giganticuz Lupicus" had multiple types of skulls? If that skull in Droknar's Forge is in fact a giant's skull, which I find highly unlikely.

Free Runner

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Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

07 May 2008 at 22:01 - 299

Quote:

Originally Posted by BladeWind

Those bones are definatly not Giganticus Lupicus. they are of an ancient dragon, dead of course.

How do i know this?

At halloween go to droknars forge, there is a Giganticus Lupicus skull with a candle on it.

Thats just a Halloween Skull. It has nothing to do with the GL. However the huge bones found around Tyria ARE to do with the GL.

N1ghtstalker

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08 May 2008 at 09:44 - 300

undead dragon?
that dragon looks pretty dead to me

BladeWind

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08 May 2008 at 12:16 - 301

I cant back this up but i definatly read it either on the wiki or on the guildwars sight a good while back.

beregond

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W/Mo

08 May 2008 at 13:46 - 302

No undead dragon I think. There are bones like that all over Tyria.

Fangclaw

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08 May 2008 at 17:36 - 303

Why would those bones be that of a Gigantus Lupicus?

In case you didnt notice, they were Giants (Great Giants to be precise), not Dragons. And now that I've thought about it, it seems to me that this thing might rise in GW2 thanks to the ''Water Dragon'' or whatever its called (what a joke of a theory is that thing!).

After all, it will corrupt most if not all the living things that will cross its path, it would make sense that he'd reanimate that dragon; even if I'd rather attribuate that power to the Undead Dragon of Orr.

But thats the catch, what if it is the Dragon of Orr? For those who say its too small, I'll reply that this is a model for back in the day only Prophecies existed, and from Pre-Searing no less; Im pretty damn sure it can be subject to remodelation in order for it to fit GW2 Lore. I doubt that is the case however.

Free Runner

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08 May 2008 at 18:15 - 304

Quote:

Originally Posted by BladeWind

I cant back this up but i definatly read it either on the wiki or on the guildwars sight a good while back.

Wikis are made by the players. The GW Site has never delved deeper into the lore than the Battle of Khylo. Its just a skull with a candle on its head. Not sure where you live but over here i have seen the exact same ornament out on Halloween.

Oh and Fangclaw the theory is that the GL were not the typical giants you seem to be thinking off. Infact they would be closer to the Dinosaurs than a huge Giant.

To counter you why would those bones be from an Ancient Undead Dragon? why would its bones be spread out all over Tyria BEFORE it was even thought up?

Why would the Dragon Of Orr be spread all over Tyria? i'd call being asleep different from being a pile of bones. Seriously this Unexplained = Dragon thing as to stop.

Fangclaw

Frost Gate Guardian

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08 May 2008 at 18:28 - 305

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

To counter you why would those bones be from an Ancient Undead Dragon? why would its bones be spread out all over Tyria BEFORE it was even thought up?

Why would the Dragon Of Orr be spread all over Tyria? i'd call being asleep different from being a pile of bones. Seriously this Unexplained = Dragon thing as to stop.

Did you even read my post to the last line...? What do you mean, spread over Tyria? I didnt mention anything about that. Also, if the lore said there were Great Giants, wouldnt it make sense that they were exactly how they've been named? Anyhow, were drifting off-topic, lets start a thread or something...

One thing's for sure, Tyrian paleontologists are slacking off.

Free Runner

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08 May 2008 at 19:17 - 306

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fangclaw

Did you even read my post to the last line...? What do you mean, spread over Tyria? I didnt mention anything about that. Also, if the lore said there were Great Giants, wouldnt it make sense that they were exactly how they've been named? Anyhow, were drifting off-topic, lets start a thread or something...

One thing's for sure, Tyrian paleontologists are slacking off.

I read your post and decided to include more to my reply. It seems that failed so i will try again.

There are bones exactly like that all over Tyria. What makes this pile more special than the next?

And did you not think that perhaps they were named "Great Giants" because of their size? when you look at those bones they aint exactly the size of your average drake on a plain.

But of course i must be mad to think that Giants could be anything but humanoid.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

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CULT

09 May 2008 at 02:16 - 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

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But of course i must be mad to think that Giants could be anything but humanoid.

i can safely say based on Japanese history GIANT ENEMY CRABS were quite common.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g1fr5vk72M

watch out for their massive damage.

Tedwyn

Pre-Searing Cadet

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Utopia

E/Mo

09 May 2008 at 08:46 - 308

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinx the Reaper

Crystal desert(Undead Dragon of Orr) It says to be the most deadly dragon of them all, so I heard.

the Undead Dragon of Orr isn't found in the Crystal Desert, as of current information it actually lies under Orr now

however it awakens, Orr rises to the surface along with a whole host of uBer undead, the dragon then flies off to the Elona like areas, supposedly to steal control of Palawa Joko's minions.

As for the 'most deadly' part, that is very reasonable, seeing as anything caught in its shadow dies, then gets animated as one of its servants, all seemingly with no concious intervention from teh dragon itself

so yea, pretty badass like

Fangclaw

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09 May 2008 at 15:55 - 309

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

There are bones exactly like that all over Tyria. What makes this pile more special than the next?

Nothing except that those are the bones of a Dragon. I just thought that it might have a link to the great dragons, even as remote as it could turn out to be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

And did you not think that perhaps they were named "Great Giants" because of their size? when you look at those bones they aint exactly the size of your average drake on a plain.

But if they really were named by their size, wouldnt they have been called ''Great [species]" instead of "Great Giants"? That, or maybe they added the word ''Giants'' because of their gigantic size... The first time I read their names in the Prophecies Manual, I thought they'd of them as a giant version of the beasts the stone summit rode on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

But of course i must be mad to think that Giants could be anything but humanoid.

No you arent, the "Great Giants'' could've been anything, not just humanoïd. I just found it strange at first that they were named that way instead of, say ''Great Beasts'' or ''Great Serpents'' or whatever they actually are...

DarkFlame

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09 May 2008 at 21:58 - 310

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fangclaw

But if they really were named by their size, wouldnt they have been called ''Great [species]" instead of "Great Giants"?

Because they are not all one species. GL is just the general name for all of them, like how in real life we lump all dinosaurs under, well, dinosaurs even though they are of multiple species and all have different names.

As for being a dragon, its possible that it is, but only in the sense that its an overgrown drake. Its not in the same league as Glint or Kunvie or any of the Ancient Dragons in GW2. Lets remember that when Prophecies came out, Anet never thought of making GW2, never mind laying the groundwork for the sequel's lore.

Gmr Leon

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10 May 2008 at 21:50 - 311

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

Hey guys, ever have the feeling that MAYBE the Charr aren't ancient?

epic Norn leader?

Technically the Charr are ancient, they've been around since before the humans and fought the Forgotten. They were around before the Gods decided to place the "infestation" on Tyria, that is, the humans.

Norn do not have leaders. Never make that mistake when speaking with a Norn.

Just to note, I reread the Movement of the World again, and that dragon we're calling Grothmar that flies over what used to be Ascalon, becomes the Desert Dragon. Just a heads-up.

-Old 3FL-

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11 May 2008 at 12:57 - 312

All this talk of Dragons makes me ache in pain in wanting GW2 xD

Konig Des Todes

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11 May 2008 at 16:24 - 313

Quote:

Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Just to note, I reread the Movement of the World again, and that dragon we're calling Grothmar that flies over what used to be Ascalon, becomes the Desert Dragon. Just a heads-up.

It is not a proven fact that "Grothmar" is also the Desert Dragon. Although it is highly likely, I personally hope it isn't. Still wishing Glint betrays humanity and becomes the Desert Dragon

I want to kill her again.

Elena

Desert Nomad

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Belgium

12 May 2008 at 19:59 - 314

actually i think Glints child dragon will aid us

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Glint%27s_Challenge

Nazar Razak

Lion's Arch Merchant

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12 May 2008 at 21:26 - 315

There are also pretty much intact fossils of giants in the crystal desert aswell. Which look exactly like modern-day-Guild Wars-humans. Possibly, all other creatures were giant-sized versions of current day creatures, hinting that the earth was much larger thousands of years ago. This also means that the world is getting smaller, and everything along with it. And that history could just be repeating itself, but at a smaller scale? :P
This could in itself be the reverse-big bang, meaning that the universe that Tyria is in, is slowly consuming itself, and will eventually end. The Underworld and other gods realms may be full, and spew spirits back out, (meaning that, the giant female warrior that you see in the crystal desert is actually the female warrior standing next to her, but just tens of thousands of years ago.) And each time that it does that, the sheer force forces the world to shrink?
The Ancient Dragons therefor, could actually be 'Ancient' and are just creatures that have survived the last twenty thousand years.

This is just pure speculation.
oh and, in the underworld, there is a giant skull in a pit.

Free Runner

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Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

13 May 2008 at 14:33 - 316

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazar Razak

There are also pretty much intact fossils of giants in the crystal desert aswell. Which look exactly like modern-day-Guild Wars-humans. Possibly, all other creatures were giant-sized versions of current day creatures, hinting that the earth was much larger thousands of years ago. This also means that the world is getting smaller, and everything along with it. And that history could just be repeating itself, but at a smaller scale? :P
This could in itself be the reverse-big bang, meaning that the universe that Tyria is in, is slowly consuming itself, and will eventually end. The Underworld and other gods realms may be full, and spew spirits back out, (meaning that, the giant female warrior that you see in the crystal desert is actually the female warrior standing next to her, but just tens of thousands of years ago.) And each time that it does that, the sheer force forces the world to shrink?
The Ancient Dragons therefor, could actually be 'Ancient' and are just creatures that have survived the last twenty thousand years.

This is just pure speculation.
oh and, in the underworld, there is a giant skull in a pit.

Or it could be that those bones are the remains of the Giganticus Lupicus and the Ancient Dragons are just powerful creatures that have been sleeping through time....

Nazar Razak

Lion's Arch Merchant

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13 May 2008 at 17:48 - 317

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

Or it could be that those bones are the remains of the Giganticus Lupicus and the Ancient Dragons are just powerful creatures that have been sleeping through time....

hey, it was just a theory that i made up as i went along ;P

Konig Des Todes

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15 May 2008 at 01:46 - 318

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazar Razak

hey, it was just a theory that i made up as i went along ;P

Yes, that was fairly obvious.

Scythykins

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15 May 2008 at 21:57 - 319

When I hear "lupicus" I am reminded of the latin root "lupine" which implies having to do with wolves or having the qualities of a wolf. This lends credence to the idea that the great giants were indeed quadruped. Most "big" things that evolve tend to be quadruped or marine in locomotion, just because of the sheer amount of weight that would be placed on their ankle/feet analogs if they were biped.

If not for a meteorite, would we all be talking, computing, dinosaurs? A sentient species doesn't need to be a primate. Most evolutionary theories suggest that the most likely type of species to achieve sentinence is a reptile of some sort. The age of mammals came to be on earth pretty much by accident, so who's to say that the great giants had to be primates, muchless mammals? Heck, who's to say they were even sentient? Who knows?!?

Ruiksis Materious

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21 May 2008 at 01:39 - 320

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeniM

So dragons killed the dinosaurs!!!
Why are the dragons asleep anyway? Did they kill all the giant creatures of Tyria (left the bones around the place) and went into hibernation until a new food source was availiable, or did the Gods put them to sleep?

The Dragons opposed the god's, so the Gods silenced them, and now that the Gods have left the physical world, the dragons are realizing they can come back to power, thus start waking up for the main attraction in GW2