Unrealistic Difficulty!!!!

man what is your team build? i have only taken 2 hero henchs and have been through most mission and i am doing them againg to get them on the book.

"You're doing it wrong" ... "Be less bad" OMFG! Wow, you guys are a great help. sheesh! Mayhap you could offer some encouragement rather than being; what's the word I want here....USELESS!

Anyway, back on topic. Nw, what dungeon are you trying to do and what are you taking team-wise? Perhaps if we know what you're trying to do and what you're using we may be able to help you. Some dungeons are a pain in the arse, and some of them feel like you can't complete them, but with patience, persistance and useful input I'm sure some of us can help get you through. =)

I just did Frostmaw's for the first time and that was quite the challenge (3 RP, 5 heros) - tough, but not unbeatable. Yeah, we wiped a few times, but we learned a few things along the way that will make our next run through go much better.

It really does help to know what you're facing going in, that way you can prepare for it and bring the appropriate counters to your enemies' attacks. But if you don't, it doesn't take long to discover what you need and then adjust accordingly

The original poster is right it is difficult.
And yes you have 60%dp quit easy but there is a sollution for it Power stones
Or the other sollution the gray mass between there ears (for some people hard to use BTW)
For me i have no probs off playing it but i can think of people who have probs with it.
It isn't the most easy game anymore now a days the 1337 boys need to be satisfied couse iff they don't they start crying.

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nw5221, can i take a wild guess and say that you are an assassin primary?

I agree wholeheartly. I've been working on a suggestion post that addresses just this very topic, but let me put some initial ideas down now since we've got this thread started.

Originally, part of my semi-annual suggestion thread I recently posted I was going to lambast Anet for the difficulty level of the mobs in the North Shivs following the head start weekend. I changed my mind after I finally realized that I could actually use many of the tatics taught in the various tutorial areas of the three campaigns - and they even work!!! However, some re-balancing is indeed needed, especially when it concerns the Dungeons.

Since there is no current Hard Mode for EotN (nor should there be a separate mode for a simple expansion), too much of it thus far feels like a solely Hard Mode focus. One thing I fault Anet for not correcting over the last 28+ months is the fact that combat is basically a war of attrition using DOT tatics. With this model, in order to make advanced areas of the game seem more difficult, the power of the mobs and bosses is ramped up exponentially, and now it has reached a point to where a fully outfitted character or hero is taken down with 2-3 hits from a monster, and just to make things even tougher, the slightest misstep will cause two or three other separate mobs to swarm you, resulting in a total party wipe in less than a minute. This is not to mention that little area where the rabbits are, then up appears about two dozen Vettiens or whatever the heck they are called - I really appreaciated that near instantaneous party wipe. Thank God I didn't decide to bring my Survivor charcter to EotN first.

To me, the Death Penalty is little more than a annoyance and time waster. Just today, I took a Derv and Para through Icedome and had several total wipes (even with 2 monks and an MM in the party) simply from being overwhelmed with foes. At that point, the only choice was to restart (loosing the near hour it took me to get to that point), or to continue on and suffer through several more party wipes on the way to Copperhammer, thus increasing the overall time the trip took. Sure, there are other games with worse penalties for death, and I cut my teeth on the original CRPG's where death often meant the complete loss of a character - but then again, it was awfully tough to get killed to begin with.

There is no way a properly formed party using the proper techniques should go into an area expecting at least one or more party wipes. But listening to other players in game, and reading other messages across the forums, this is exactly what the Dungeons bring about. At this point, I don't see EotN being a viable place to bring my Survivor character. I don't care if I get to keep the max title even after suffering a death - I just hate dying in any form, and always played trying to keep all my characters from death long before the title system even came about. Thus far, I just have one out of 22 characters across two accounts who has reached the second tier of the title (the first one was killed in the Dunes of Despair halfway to the second tier because of a boneheaded mistake on my part).

I mentioned in a post dealing with the game's AI how frustrating it is to see several different hostile mobs of different races completely ignore each other only to swarm my little old party who simply desires to get from Point A to Pooint B. This really breaks any emmersion I might have in the game, and would like to see much more combative interaction between differing mobs such as some of the minor displays we get in the Jahai Bluffs and Southern Shiverpeak areas.

However, one of the other real solutions here is not for Anet to power up the offensive capabilities of higher level mobs (although the monster specific skills are a plus and we need more of them IMO), and add more numbers of them. What really needs to be done is to increase the defensive capabilities of the monsters, thus making them harder to kill, but offer damage bonuses for attack combinations and skill sets used by a character and party. I don't have all the specifics for this idea yet, but am writing them down and will post here later. Suffice it to say, I hope that some serious balance changes take place in the Expansion - if I wanted to play Hard Mode, I would and if I wanted to experience regular full party wipes, I would visit the elite missions.

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I've had the same frustrating problem with the popup monsters that fill your screen with red dots and spawning at a rez shrine right under the feet of the mob you were trying to run from.

I bet he's doing Shards of Orr.

Game is easy, please stop crying about the difficulty. The hardest monsters in the entire GW arsenal are the new dinosaurs. Destroyers are simple, charr are surprisingly easy. Please, rune up your heroes and win the game.

do you want the honest reason why you're finding it difficult? because you suck.
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i've had no problem going through the games with henchies only for prophecies and factions and later, heroes with nf and eotn.

what profession are you and what team builds are you using? if you're having that much trouble, there's probably something we can help fix. if you just insist on complaining but not give any real information, it makes it hard to help you.

Aside from the U suks posts, it is alot of trial and error. I still haven't beaten Bison in the tourney yet. I finally completed the one with all the worms, frostmaw, I think. I ran it twice and had to quit because I took the hard way around and got swamped. I had to beat the last 3 worms with all 60% penalty.

I usually have R-my character, Olias, a Rit hero, General M, and then a warrior, 2 monks, and fire ele. It is alot of: clear small area, flag party to that small area, pull mobs to the party, continue until all monsters are dead.

Take some nukers, especially SF ele, they can kill huge mobs within 5 sec

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for any game, EXPANSION is always, "ALWAYS" harder than whatever the original game.

I've played so many games, from the old classic warcraft starcraft, dawn of war u name it, w/e they are, expansion is always hard, its meant to be a challenge.

plus, I don't find it "THAT" difficult for most part but I haven't even beaten the campaign so I won't go there.

I hope you're changing your party combination, as well as ur hero's build everytime u fail.

like I did.. I got raped in 1 of the master difficulty quest, the one where you have to defend the dwarve's cave against the stone summit's invasion.
but after I failed it once, I threw in an Olias instead of Jora, and have him use Tainted Flesh.
and little tweak here and there.. and guess wat, horde of summits that raped me kept dying from disease etc, made everything so easy.

its good to have a favorite build, but to be good in this game u need to be flexible in build.


the only REAL frustrating part so far was that 1 cave with ice dagger trap all over.. and zombies that blinds everybody in my party, it was pain in the ass but i still managed it..

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