Taxi'ing to Duncan (Slaver's Exile) needs to be stopped

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Its just any old character using Ursan Blessing. Course if you have a higher base armour in the first place it helps, but the extra health/damage/armour isn't bad.

Mineria

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lord dragon
That's great for the first toon, maybe the second toon, even maybe the third toon. When you have to grind for 8 toons, it changes the whole thing. Who is talking about grind?
Or do you mean the whole game is grind for you in the first place?

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]



After a friend asked me to join him and i had nothing else planned, heres the dungeon run via Taxi. (yeah he's using Signet of Sorrow, thats why i'm dead, its been replaced by a pet now). Its taken us a grand total of 30 minutes. 25 minutes in the dungeon, 5 selling stuff and getting the run there.

And thats a slower run... all because some twat at Anet thought it would be funny to place a mob who rushes the spawn point while people are still loading, which then turns into an overlure when the second mobs monks come to heal.

puffzilla

puffzilla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Black Hand Gang [BHG]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai
The only question is will Anet ban people from exploiting this glitch, as it certainly appears to be an exploit (quests giving rewards for tasks not done, etc.) Ban people... What ever. You can't be serious. I kind of like it. A 1 hour run with 7 guildies is a lot easier to setup then going through all the quests. I have no problem with this right now. I do think they should fix it for it for Hard Mode to give a bit of a challenge though. Mind you I can't see it taking much longer to do. We'll probably need a bonder monk but the lvl are short.

Oh well my 2 cents.

Robin_Anadri

Robin_Anadri

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta, GA

Girl Power [GP]

Me/Mo

QQ moar.

They *only* thing I'm prepared to suggest is a bug is the quest reward of EXP & cash upon completion. If they killed that, I wouldn't care in the slightest.

The fight to Duncan is FUN. It requires good teamwork and is particularly exhilirationg for the monks (I run prot monk there, having a blast. Most fun I've had since I first got into FoW monking.) It's one of the rare occasions in GW as a whole where you can get together with six other strangers and have a reasonable expectation that they're going to have thier sh_t together, and go have a good time. (The other in my experience was the heyday of B/P teams in Tombs, another "exploit" Anet never closed.)

The drops are crap until the chest, and then usually a crap req 13 gold, an armor remnant, a gemstone... woo. I can make more running Mo/D 55 in GoK hard mode, or Wa/Rt running UW.

But I'm not doing those higher paying things - because i'm having FUN. The first real fun I've had in GW in quite a while.

So... those of you who don't like it... don't do it. Leave those of us who do like it alone to have our fun. Live and let live.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

At this point who cares about the economic impact of anything? Honestly A Net raped the economy with GWEN so who cares? Let ecto's rain from the heavens and armbraces grow on trees. Onyx gemstones will flow through the rivers like water and deldrimor rems will be on every corner.

It doesn't matter. What gets me though is that people complained because some skins were too highly priced in the player based trading economy. What does Anet do? In GWEN those skins drop readily thereby nerfing the price down. Now people are actually going to complain that something is going to be less expensive? Can I get a WTF? You can't have it both ways. Either you nerf the run and drive the price up to ridiculous levels or you leave it as is and deal with it being common and therefore worthless. Personally I wish that the rare skins had stayed rare and that you could still sell things for 1 million plus gold. Those were the fun days when farming had an element of excitement to it. When you could go looking for that one rare skin that would make your fortune. Now the only replay value is in titles and that's not really all that interesting to me. And while I'm on a bit of a tear let me say this to A Net. WTF is up with dungeon loot chests. Fine the element of randomness is cool but at least make the drops worthwhile. I truck through friggin Frost Maw's burrow for two and a half hours by my lonesome with some heros and henchies. Finally beat the horrendous beast and go to open the chest and what do I get? A Gold portal staff with a 15^50 inscription...How useless is that?!?! I felt cheated to tell the truth.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri
The fight to Duncan is FUN. It requires good teamwork and is particularly exhilirationg for the monks (I run prot monk there, having a blast. Most fun I've had since I first got into FoW monking.) It's one of the rare occasions in GW as a whole where you can get together with six other strangers and have a reasonable expectation that they're going to have thier sh_t together, and go have a good time. (The other in my experience was the heyday of B/P teams in Tombs, another "exploit" Anet never closed.) Can you make sense please. You claim you find the fight to Duncan is fun. Then you refuse to play the other 3 areas because what? Fighting wave upon wave of Shadow Prison Touchers is much more fun is it? If you were a Mesmer maybe, you could have some fun shutting them down. But how exactly does a Prot monk have fun against life stealers and hex spammers? If you have such fun in that dungeon, perhaps you should do the whole thing shouldn't you. Course we'll never know till Anet nerf it, i can't see any pugs forming to do the whole thing till they do.

So stick your 'QQing' where the sun don't shine please.

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod

So stick your 'QQing' where the sun don't shine please.
As I see it, you're the one crying and whining the loudest and longest. I guess now that you've had your fill of the Duncan dungeon, it's time to cry long and hard, hoping others don't start aquiring the same loot.

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
As I see it, you're the one crying and whining the loudest and longest. I guess now that you've had your fill of the Duncan dungeon, it's time to cry long and hard, hoping others don't start aquiring the same loot. SecondedRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

LOL - ferrying to the Deep not even in the same league, because you had to own the city as a guild to access. It was a reward for faction for a guild.

No point in crying a river on this one - Anet will either realise they stuffed up and stop it, or come out and explain that it is intended. Those that want to defend their favourite little farm will not have a leg to stand on if the nerf bat swings, and those that cry foul at the moment will have to sulk away if it doesn't. There really is little point in the pro nerf and anti nerf crowds taking swings and justifying their positions - one of the two is just plain wrong and sometime soon we will know which it is.

Personally I hope the river of tears comes from the anti-nerf crowd, but hey - I am just as allowed to take a position on this an anyone else . It has been so interesting wading through the mental leaps that are made to justify people's positions.

HayesA

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pennsylvania

E/

LOL! for 1k, you can get these, used to be, "top greens."

Hell, i saw a few running for as low as 700gold. What a bloody waste, in my honest opinion. He was supposed to be a challenge, and look what has happened. *shakes head.* How low can you guys go??

joemanstar

joemanstar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Los Angeles

Lost N Found [失蹤港人]

R/Me

Why Urgoz and Deep can ferry, Duncan can't? Just because of the mission is too short? Ferry shouldn't be nerfed, problem is just that Duncan mission is too easy.

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
Which is the point I was trying to get across. The point about the quest reward being obviously bugged is just that: Its obviously bugged, and anyone with eyes could see it, but its easy to just play naive and say you didn't realize it. Seriously, people will not get banned for this, whoever brought it up is kidding themselves.
I think I have fair confidence that anet would not ban anyone in this incident, but I still find it hard to justify the banning of the ambrace duping, if this result really occurs.

where does anet draw the line on exploitation, and start to ban people?

is there anything called a 100% exploit, 75% exploit or little exploit?

if from 100% to 0%

where do the ambrace exploitation and this quest exploitation fall into?

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

There are 3 kinds of exploits:

The kind that benefit you at the expense of someone else (ie. a pvp exploit or a trade window glitch)
The kind that benefit you but damage the whole community severely and take very little effort (ie. mass armbrace duping)
And then there's Duncan - the price of onyx and greens suffer, but nobody's printing millions of cash and you still need to spend time farming the area.

The first two types can't be explained away: if you're doing this stuff, you should get banhammered to hell. The mass armbrace duping created masses of cash worth tens of thousands of real world dollars....PER PERSON. you can't compare that to a little duncan farming.

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lursey
I think I have fair confidence that anet would not ban anyone in this incident, but I still find it hard to justify the banning of the ambrace duping, if this result really occurs.

where does anet draw the line on exploitation, and start to ban people?

is there anything called a 100% exploit, 75% exploit or little exploit?

if from 100% to 0%

where do the ambrace exploitation and this quest exploitation fall into? That's silly. Duping was gamebreaking. This is not.

Anet has already set precedence in allowing exploits and those that profit from using them.

For example...they forced players to sear their characters in pre-searing if they used glitched-in skill tomes. At the same time, let those that used the same glitch exploit to keep other items, and remain in pre-searing. By choice.

When asked why, the response was along the lines of "hey, it's not gamebreaking".

Bottom line, is they know about it, and will make up their own minds what needs to be done (or not done). I only have issue with those here that have taken full advantage of the Duncan mission only to start crying once others found out about it.

Hypocrites of the Hierophant.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
As I see it, you're the one crying and whining the loudest and longest. I guess now that you've had your fill of the Duncan dungeon, it's time to cry long and hard, hoping others don't start aquiring the same loot.
Lol, you've show you know absolutely nothing. All of your assumptions are wrong, completely and utterly.

Quote: No, i'm saying i don't give a toss if they didn't do anything about it or not. Every single post-searing item should've been removed from Pre-searing, but the fact Anet are not going to no matter what happens pretty much makes any debate on the subject pointless. If Anet came out and said that this dungeon was meant to be skipped, or at least altered the quest/chest rewards to portray just how much of a reward you actually deserve then fine. Theres little i can do to make them change anything more.

A dungeon that takes 20-30 minutes to do start to finish with 2 people does not deserve 1 Armour, 1 Remnant and 1 random item as a reward. While doing it earlier my friend got an Amethyst Shield, r9 Tactics, the price he found was 100k +60e. He got that for a couple of hours work on top of 6 Onyx's and 5 Armours. People who are trying to defend this need to go to Sepulchre of Dragimmar again to see what a 20-30 minute dungeons reward should REALLY be like.

Quote:
For example...they forced players to sear their characters in pre-searing if they used glitched-in skill tomes. At the same time, let those that used the same glitch exploit to keep other items, and remain in pre-searing. By choice.

When asked why, the response was along the lines of "hey, it's not gamebreaking". Max items can now be gotten in pre-searing. Scrolls cannot, but offer nothing more than a little more experience. Salvage kits offer the odd rune to people. Tomes offer skills, having access to a full skillbar of high level magic in pre-searing when you were suppose to have a choice few is gamebreaking. They were very right to do so and leave the rest be.

RockmanXX

RockmanXX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

Farmer Union [FU]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by joemanstar
Why Urgoz and Deep can ferry, Duncan can't? Just because of the mission is too short? Ferry shouldn't be nerfed, problem is just that Duncan mission is too easy. U cant compare ferry to urgoz and ferry to Duncan.
Because Urgoz is a long mission/quest and you have to kill all the mods in order to kill Urgoz.
Ferry to Duncan make this dungeon mission/quest way too short. Skip all most that you have to fight, and go straight to Duncan.
Is just like people ferrying straight to Urgoz room and kill urgoz...wat's the point?

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessyi
There are 3 kinds of exploits:

The kind that benefit you at the expense of someone else (ie. a pvp exploit or a trade window glitch)
The kind that benefit you but damage the whole community severely and take very little effort (ie. mass armbrace duping)
And then there's Duncan - the price of onyx and greens suffer, but nobody's printing millions of cash and you still need to spend time farming the area.

The first two types can't be explained away: if you're doing this stuff, you should get banhammered to hell. The mass armbrace duping created masses of cash worth tens of thousands of real world dollars....PER PERSON. you can't compare that to a little duncan farming.
to be more precise, this duncan incident also give you experience and 2.75k for the quest rewards,

the experience points can be transformed into consumable items, and people will then able to sell the experience points,

the chest items, the money and the experience point all have economical status, if this is really unintended and goes longer, it will still do harm to the community, of massive unintended gold and items being generated, when you try to think about how many people are doing this every 30 mins 24/7.

This of course also goes well if the quest is intended being that way, the massive gold and items being generated are intended as well, then there will be no problem at all.

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Lol, you've show you know absolutely nothing. All of your assumptions are wrong, completely and utterly.



Max items can now be gotten in pre-searing. Scrolls cannot, but offer nothing more than a little more experience. Salvage kits offer the odd rune to people. Tomes offer skills, having access to a full skillbar of high level magic in pre-searing when you were suppose to have a choice few is gamebreaking. They were very right to do so and leave the rest be. Actually, you're still sticking your foot in your mouth. As well as demonstrating your ignorance nicely. You are also supporting my own point at the same time. Good work.

Max items are only from pre-order bonus items that's true. However scrolls can get you LDoA in days. That circumvents a HUGE effort to get that title. Doesn't take more than a few brain cells active to draw a parallel to that and this Duncan run.

Saying one's ok, and one's not? Title of hypocrite is fairly leveled at you.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Erm... isn't the price of actually selling consumables to people less than the cost to craft them in the first place? Experience is completely irrelevant anyway.

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Erm... isn't the price of actually selling consumables to people less than the cost to craft them in the first place? Experience is completely irrelevant anyway. there is not a common ruler to measure the value of an item for a person.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
Actually, you're still sticking your foot in your mouth. As well as demonstrating your ignorance nicely. You are also supporting my own point at the same time. Good work.

Max items are only from pre-order bonus items that's true. However scrolls can get you LDoA in days. That circumvents a HUGE effort to get that title. Doesn't take more than a few brain cells active to draw a parallel to that and this Duncan run.

Saying one's ok, and one's not? Title of hypocrite is fairly leveled at you.
Yes they can... If you can't craft consumables, which require rank3 in a title track then you've obviously not reached a point in the game that would actually be worth taking them along with... If i recall you can get 8k in most allegiences purely by doing the primaries.

Quote:
there is not a common ruler to measure the value of an item for a person. Not as such, but nobody is going to pay more than the materials cost from a materials trader.

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lursey
to be more precise, this duncan incident also give you experience and 2.75k for the quest rewards,

the experience points can be transformed into consumable items, and people will then able to sell the experience points,

the chest items, the money and the experience point all have economical status, if this is really unintended and goes longer, it will still do harm to the community, of massive unintended gold and items being generated, when you try to think about how many people are doing this every 30 mins 24/7.

This of course also goes well if the quest is intended being that way, the massive gold and items being generated are intended as well, then there will be no problem at all. Some exp and a few K? That's the problem? Who cares...hell, if you want to look at it that way - being able to sell experience, well shit, I'd be angrier about the introduction of consumables, period. It'll take me another 2 years to double the exp I've got on my monk right now. In the meantime, me and the thousands of others with millions of xp and hundreds of skill points will be rolling in dough. In the grand scheme of things, the exploit then is less profitable than legit consumable selling. lol

On the other hand, I haven't seen people selling consumables at all, really.

hmm

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessyi
Some exp and a few K? That's the problem? Who cares...hell, if you want to look at it that way - being able to sell experience, well shit, I'd be angrier about the introduction of consumables, period. It'll take me another 2 years to double the exp I've got on my monk right now. In the meantime, me and the thousands of others with millions of xp and hundreds of skill points will be rolling in dough. In the grand scheme of things, the exploit then is less profitable than legit consumable selling. lol

On the other hand, I haven't seen people selling consumables at all, really.

hmm firstly) not everyone can craft consumable

secondly) well, then if some experience and a few k and the items being generated in a faster than expected rate which have no one cares about, then why not just leave it that way.

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lursey
why not just leave it that way. I agree (12 chars)

kmburton

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Texas

Heroes Etc. [HeEt]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Lets start with your whining then. Goodbye.



Oh yet another convincing arguement. Translation "Pretty please leave this open because i can't do the full dungeon". I care about the quest been done properly, all 4 bosses killed by the party before getting access to Duncan. The reward at Duncan is getting pathetic now, they increased it purely because the trip there was long, people are skipping it and are now demanding that there 30 minutes of effort are rewarded?

Please, if you want to see what reward a 30 minute dungeon gets you, go finish Sepulchre of Dragrimmar and compare it to Duncan taxi'ing. Either your precious elite dungeon skipping is stopped, or Anet nerf the chest to properly represent the length of time it took you to reach it. Your choice. I know i'd prefer a few hours with guildies doing the full run for some decent drops than 30 minutes to get a gold Blazing Wing Wand. I don't need to be translated to put it in YOUR words. It isn't an elite dungeon, I have already done the whole thing once witrh Heroes/hench and it isn't worth doing over and over just to get a destroyer weapon for MY HoM. Which I have already done, now, so I could care less what they do with it. I won't be back. This has no effect on anyone else in the game. So who died and put you in charge of ANET that now you think you can't dictate choices for the rest of us?

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
No, i'm saying i don't give a toss if they didn't do anything about it or not. Every single post-searing item should've been removed from Pre-searing, but the fact Anet are not going to no matter what happens pretty much makes any debate on the subject pointless. If Anet came out and said that this dungeon was meant to be skipped, or at least altered the quest/chest rewards to portray just how much of a reward you actually deserve then fine. Theres little i can do to make them change anything more.

A dungeon that takes 20-30 minutes to do start to finish with 2 people does not deserve 1 Armour, 1 Remnant and 1 random item as a reward. While doing it earlier my friend got an Amethyst Shield, r9 Tactics, the price he found was 100k +60e. He got that for a couple of hours work on top of 6 Onyx's and 5 Armours. People who are trying to defend this need to go to Sepulchre of Dragimmar again to see what a 20-30 minute dungeons reward should REALLY be like.

I guess the logical answer is that, he is very lucky.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Something to point out:

Remember when the HoD sword was eliminated? While perhaps it closed some small gear inequity in PvP, it created a far bigger inequity between those who had one and those who could never get one. Ultimately the price rose insanely and a-net ended up reintroducing +5e single-handed weapons.

We're staring down that same path right now. Some people have stashed away hundreds of onyx during the past few days. Not to mention more than a few greens and golds. If the tap gets turned off now, we're going to end up with a huge inequity between the people who got in and farmed early when it was easy, and everyone else.
While I hold very little sympathy for those who spent 10k per onyx before this farm was discovered, I do hold a little. But I want to ask you, which is worse: You spending 100k for what is now 30k worth of onyx, or turning an early farmers' 600k worth of onyx into 2000k? If you think all the farmed onyx is ill-gotten gains, why are you so eager to drive its price up?

I don't think nerfing this was ever a good idea. But it is certainly a bad idea by now. It's too late.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Game Updates
In the Slavers' Exile dungeon, the entrance leading to the final boss, Duncan the Black, will now be closed unless all party members have completed the appropriate steps in the quest "The Last Hierophant." Well, that's the end of that.

Xanthier

Xanthier

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

England

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

Indeed, now I'm interested to see the effect on the price of Onyx, as it was falling pretty fast. The Heirophant weapons will probably jump up in price too.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Fixed? Was there ever any doubt?

I'm actually someone who enjoys saying "I told you so." I don't hate it one bit. Sue me.

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

I don't like it. It should be fixed. Because I know and everyone else knows that this was not intended to be this way. I understand what the OP is saying which is it ruins the fact that you have to do the hard work to get to him in the first place. "So what?" So the dungeon is ruined and they may as well take out all the other parts of that quest if people are just going to ferry to the last part. That's work down the drain on A.Nets part... and again it's not how it's suppose to be.

I'm sure they will fix it though however it might be a litle bit.

Edit: Just saw it was fixed. Good job A.Net, I'm glad it was.

plasmasword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

So how many runs did you guys get in before it was fixed?

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lursey
firstly) not everyone can craft consumable
I guess the logical answer is that, he is very lucky. He was yes. But its the same as the Zodiac farming. You shouldn't have that much chance to get 1 so easily or its not a rare skin anymore.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Well they fixed it. And its listed as:

Quote:
Bug Fixes
In the Slavers' Exile dungeon, the entrance leading to the final boss, Duncan the Black, will now be closed unless all party members have completed the appropriate steps in the quest "The Last Hierophant." It was a bug. No need for this thread anymore so can a mod close it please?

Whirlwind

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

Yeah so how are you going to ban several thousand people who were doing it in all districts of all 3 areas over a very long period of time... unrealistic.

And for the record it wasn't a bug imo, it was something they didn't plan for and therefore never checked. If they had it wouldn't of worked like that in the first place.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Well they could possibly ban people, remember they have stated it repeatedly that using a bannable exploit for what ever reason is still bannable. Just because it's common doesn't mean it's right.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

I really can't see them banning people for this. Its just not worth the effort tracking people down. The people who made the most money from this are most likely the ones doing the taxi'ing. You could maybe say the ones who farmed tons of money from it deserve it... but i'd rather they sort out bugs and get on with HM.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Maybe a partial solution is delete all Onyx gems in the sellers, though that might benefit some...but it at least kill the overflow of them, I would say delete all gems period, but I have 3 and they are all legit *2 from non duncan chests and 1 from quest*, plus many people probably have a few legitly.