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Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

27 Sep 2007 at 14:20 - 161

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

The original Prophecies manual said Glint was the first creature on Tyria (though I think the Giganticus Lupus or w/e had been around before), placed there by the Gods. Whether they mean the world of Tyria or the continent of Tyria, we don't know.

Unless these dragons are the "true giants", or they are forgotten amongst lore, or ANet wants to make a retcon, then Glint cannot be related.

Quote right under the Dragon section:

"Never trust the past. There has been too much forgotten, too many things hidden beneath the sand of ages. Even your own memory can lie to you..." - Decimus the Historian

Also, keep in mind that so far all our history we know is based on human sources. So, we don't really know if the old gods created the world, or if that was just a myth perpetuated by Dwayna's priests.

Rainbird

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

27 Sep 2007 at 15:39 - 162

Well, even though we're in a tight spot, I'm looking very much forward to it

Especially seens we now have explanations for alot of the things that were unanswered in GW:EN (or were'nt meant to be answered in GW:EN on some accounts)
As far as I see it:
Frozen creature in Drakkar's Lake = dragon, and it corrupted Svanir
The whole dragon statue thing.
Livia with the Scepter of Orr, becoming the first queen of Kryta
what happens to the dwarves

Over all, I'm very positive towards GW2 ^^

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

27 Sep 2007 at 20:26 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbird

Livia with the Scepter of Orr, becoming the first queen of Kryta

Anyone else think that's a bad idea?

Doesn't the Sceptor have a history of corrupting people? (or I guess just one person...)

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

27 Sep 2007 at 21:02 - 164

They said Salma becomes the Queen of Kryta.

Salma was an NPC in the ToA, and there was a quest in which you learned she was a descendant of the original Krytan Royal Family which ruled before the White Mantle took over.

Odd, too. Doesn't the article say it as if Salma is the queen of Kryta during GW2? If so, she's oooooooooooooooold.

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Mordakai - Lichie was always evil, if you mean him. The way I know it...

-Lichie worshipped Abaddon when alive. Therefore he was probably evil already.
-Terick tricks him into using the forbidden scrolls' magic, thereby destroying Orr. I think Abaddon told Terick to do that so that it would wipe out Arah, the home of the Gods. Whether it's because he thought his fellow Gods were still living there or not though, I'm not sure.
-Khilbron becomes a big bad lich the same reason the Orrians became undead, due to the dark magic. Still evil, though now giant, ugly, and footless.

I'm not quite sure how the Terick and Abaddon-worshipping bits tie in, like if Terick really tricked him or if Terick said it was for Abaddon. Either way, the gist of it is there.

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

27 Sep 2007 at 21:02 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Anyone else think that's a bad idea?

Doesn't the Sceptor have a history of corrupting people? (or I guess just one person...)

It wasn't the Sceptor that corrupted the Lich, it was Abaddon. The power of the Sceptor in the propper hands could be a very good thing. They didn't talk about the undead plauge in Kryta, maybe Liva used the Scepter to drive them out.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

27 Sep 2007 at 21:41 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

They said Salma becomes the Queen of Kryta.

Salma was an NPC in the ToA, and there was a quest in which you learned she was a descendant of the original Krytan Royal Family which ruled before the White Mantle took over.

Odd, too. Doesn't the article say it as if Salma is the queen of Kryta during GW2? If so, she's oooooooooooooooold.

I re-read it: descendant of Queen Salma.

So, no ancient Livia living it up with the sceptor...

and with all the undead roving around Orr and the Crystal Desert, I bet we'll have to find the sceptor... again.

Malchior

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

London

Mana

A/

28 Sep 2007 at 00:43 - 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

I re-read it: descendant of Queen Salma.

So, no ancient Livia living it up with the sceptor...

and with all the undead roving around Orr and the Crystal Desert, I bet we'll have to find the sceptor... again.

Note to self, hide it somewhere reachable before GW2....lol

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

28 Sep 2007 at 00:54 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchior

Note to self, hide it somewhere reachable before GW2....lol

Petition Anet to put it or the Staff of the Mists in the Monument of Valor!

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

28 Sep 2007 at 01:39 - 169

But wait! Livia is in our party, she can come to our HoM with us.

Let's put a 100 digit keycode.

I hope Livia doesn't turn all evil and old and wrinkly. She's hot...

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

28 Sep 2007 at 06:08 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

But wait! Livia is in our party, she can come to our HoM with us.

Let's put a 100 digit keycode.

I hope Livia doesn't turn all evil and old and wrinkly. She's hot...

Same with Jora

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 00:39 - 171

total cop-out on Cantha.. my fav continent in gws is of course bashed again.

also, im tired of hearing about Palawa, we all knew he was bad to begin with.

and also, whooptydoo, we play 3 campaigns and gw:en, just to find out 90% of everything we did was botched not even 300 years later..... goooooo team.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

29 Sep 2007 at 01:09 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

total cop-out on Cantha.. my fav continent in gws is of course bashed again.

also, im tired of hearing about Palawa, we all knew he was bad to begin with.

and also, whooptydoo, we play 3 campaigns and gw:en, just to find out 90% of everything we did was botched not even 300 years later..... goooooo team.

Cantha was probably the best of all three nightmare scenarios...

and don't worry, I'm sure we'll be given the chance to make it all right again. (except for maybe Ascalon, where only a sliver of hope remains.)

xshadowwolfx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

California | Ascalon

Mo/

29 Sep 2007 at 01:42 - 173

I think what pisses the people who are pissed off is the fact that elona and ascalon gets the finger.

We played 1 Campaign and 1 expansion to save bloody ascalon and it all goes to hell. This really really bothers me, espically how this happens during our character's lifetime if it happened in King Albern's lifetime.

Then Elona gets messed up by Joko. Okay, I would be fine if PART of elona falls under his hand because of the ever expanding desert. It makes tons more sense, those drought areas fall under his rule because the people don't care about desert lands and Joko's undead can survive in the desert whereas Elonians cannot.

Everything else is fine. Cantha actually is very well off. Even if the emperor is evil you have to admit he did a good job to uniting the people and strengthing the human race. All you have to do is shadow prison spike him then we have a thriving awesome human continent.

War over blood stones would be win.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

29 Sep 2007 at 03:41 - 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Doesn't the Sceptor have a history of corrupting people? (or I guess just one person...)

I'm pretty sure the Vizier was corrupted long before he ever got his hands on the Scepter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Cantha was probably the best of all three nightmare scenarios...

Unless you happen to be a tengu or dredge, at least. Come to think of it, tengu weren't mentioned at all even in the sections on their former strongholds...

The Shelf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/Me

29 Sep 2007 at 04:04 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

total cop-out on Cantha.. my fav continent in gws is of course bashed again.

Um... They needed some excuse to leave Cantha and Elona out of the game because, like it or not, that is waaaay too much content for one game. Not that I wouldn't like it, but the team couldn't handle it. I don't think it's a cop-out at all. These things happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

also, im tired of hearing about Palawa, we all knew he was bad to begin with.

Agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

and also, whooptydoo, we play 3 campaigns and gw:en, just to find out 90% of everything we did was botched not even 300 years later..... goooooo team.

90% of what we did was save the world from getting annihilated by Abaddon and delay Primordus's awakening. We never did anything to stop the Charr from finishing off Ascalon except raid a few small warbands. If anything, we actually helped the Charr take over Ascalon by helping Pyre unite his people against the Shamans. And we were kinda partly responsible for causing civil war in Kryta.

As far as Elona goes, once Palawa cut off the river, there wasn't much else the rest of Elona could do about it. If he had a strong enough foothold where he was, then Elona and the Sunspears would have to give in if they wanted to drink at all. I'll bet there are resistance groups in Istan, though, that we don't know about yet.

Regarding comments about these things happening during our heroes' lifetime... That's already been discussed to death and explained in full. Most of these things happened when our characters were getting old and no longer in their prime. In addition, they would all be really spread thin trying to fix all of this stuff.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

29 Sep 2007 at 09:22 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

I'm pretty sure the Vizier was corrupted long before he ever got his hands on the Scepter.

According to the Staff of the Mists quest, the two staves had a history of corrupting people before Khilbron.

PS I think what may have happened to Istan is that the Sunspears tried to be too noble. Istan may well have been self-sufficient on it's own if it abandoned the other two provinces, but the Sunspears most likely tried to defeat Palawa militarily... with about as much success as the assault on Gandara. With the Sunspears no longer an effective military force, Istan was left without the ability to defend itself, while if the Sunspears had resigned themselves to just protecting Istan, they may well have gotten away with it, at least for a few more decades.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

29 Sep 2007 at 10:39 - 177

The funny thing is that it's the Sunspears (us) themselves that gives Palawa most of his power back

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

29 Sep 2007 at 13:29 - 178

It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Sunspears were also on the front lines of Turai's resistance against Palawa the first time around.

We're probably the role models for the Mordant Crescent

. Palawa may even have them tricked into believing they're doing it for the greater good - making Palawa a stronger buffer against the desert dragon, for instance.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

29 Sep 2007 at 13:37 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

I never thought ArenaNet would stoop so low as to plagarize World of Warcraft's lore...

A direct copy of Warcraft's World Tree, the Night Elves' Immortality, and the Emerald Dream (seriously, "Dream of Dreams," what the heck?)

GW2 appears to be the biggest lorelol I've seen in any video game to date.

Erm, lots of RPGs have things like tree worlds and talking trees, and magic trees and yada yada yada.

The Great Deku Tree (Legend of Zelda)
The Mana Tree (Mana series)
Ents (LotR)
Tret (Golden Sun)

In fact, according to http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html (rather funny list) Talking to a tree and doing what it says is an RPG cliche, I'm sure WoWs tree stuff is far from 100% Original.

Mystic trees are a long standing part of the fantasy genre.

Komes I

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Somewhere over the rainbow... what the hell?!

[DLOT]

R/

29 Sep 2007 at 18:41 - 180

Most of my hopes are put into Cantha nad its future. But i am almost sure we won't be able to travel there by the time we buy game but. We will visit Cantha in expansion. And i excpet it to some cool looking millitary state that no one dares to invade. Humans only ofcourse. I also put hopes that undead of Palawa Joko are going to look cooler than they look now. Something like Orrian undeads but a bit diffrent or something. And i excpet trecherous Sunspears to look like some sort of Unholy Knights and that there won't be a lot of them (like 16) and each one will have it's own realm/dungeon/province which he will control and if we kill him get some cool loot.
And one more thing about cantha. I hope it will be in some sort of conflict against tengus and there will be some sort of battlefront betwen them and... Ok i got to stop expecting things because if they proove to be false i will be so sad.

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

29 Sep 2007 at 21:17 - 181

I wonder if Primordius' kind of undead is different from the Cataclysm undead and the Elonian undead? 3 factions of undead?!

doinchi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Sheperd of Souls

W/Mo

30 Sep 2007 at 02:37 - 182

They keep telling us "Not to trust the past" which seems to me like a way to do a retcon on the original guild wars lore. When they wrote the original lore, they had no idea there was going to be a guildwars 2. So, I'm sure they would have to change the lore. This seems like their way of doing it.

Or am I pages behind everyone else? :|

The Shelf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 22:18 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by doinchi

They keep telling us "Not to trust the past" which seems to me like a way to do a retcon on the original guild wars lore. When they wrote the original lore, they had no idea there was going to be a guildwars 2. So, I'm sure they would have to change the lore. This seems like their way of doing it.

Or am I pages behind everyone else? :|

Sure, it gives them an excuse to do retcons if they want to, but from what we've seen, it doesn't sound like they're doing any retcons.

People keep complaining about Glint's origin being in conflict with the new dragon story, but it's not at all. According to the wiki, Glint was the first creature placed on Tyria by the gods. It does not say that she was the first being ever created. For that matter, we don't even know if the new dragons are meant to have a creator -- they may be a type of god themselves for all we know, and even if they are not gods, there's no reason to believe they arrived in Tyria before Glint. The simple fact is that we just don't know enough of the story yet.

Also, I've heard people complain that there's no way Glint or Kuunavang should have a connection to the dragons, but this is permissible as well because the gods may have taken a scale or something from the old dragons and used it to create Glint and Kuunavang.

So the dragons are one complaint of retcons that have no real basis. Another is the arrival of the Norn and Asurans. This has no real basis either because Asurans lived underground until the Destroyer chased them out, and the Norn lived in the far north where no humans lived (until the Ebon Vanguard). The Norn and Asurans would have been only myths and legends in Tyrian lore, so there is no reason why players would/should have heard about them before GW:EN.

ANet was wise in putting that quote about not trusting one's own memories in their lore because it gives them a little more freedom in their storytelling if they need it, but it doesn't necessarily mean there will be retcons in GW2.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

01 Oct 2007 at 13:50 - 184

Well, I can think of one disparity between memory and reality: Everybody remembers taking part in every significant event in groups of no larger than eight, while some people have more PvE characters than that in their accounts. So either it really was only a small number of characters, or the various missions actually involved huge armies of PCs clashing with similarly huge armies of bad guys and each mission is basically "if your squad can deal with X numbers of foes, you've done your part for that battle and we'll ignore the thousands of others fighting beside you and their allotment of foes..."

I suspect it might be the latter.

Aubis

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Oscen Ex Merito [wAw]

W/R

01 Oct 2007 at 20:53 - 185

I wonder how many evil anicent dragons are running free

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

01 Oct 2007 at 22:18 - 186

Well we have Primordus in the Depths of Tyria (Coincidently woke up near Dragons Gullet), the "Water Dragon" in the Charr Homelands, "Drakkar"(Dragon of ice and Snow) in the Northen Shiverpeaks, the "Undeads Dragon" under Orr and a Deep Sea Dragon possibly somewere under the Sea of Sorrows.

So thats 5 known Ancient Dragons. The Dragon in the Crystal Desert could be the same one from the Charr Homelands that flew south or an entirly different Dragon.

There could be Dragons in Cantha and Elona but i doubt it. Areas for a Dragon to sleep in Cantha would probably be Echovald Forest and the Jade Sea, which both have been petrified (Unless the Dragon could resist it).

Elona just doesnt seem to be a place for a Dragon to be hiding but if there was one i would presume it to be somewere in the Desolation or Vabbi (But the Order of Whispers that are managing to get info to Tyria would of surely mentioned this)

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

02 Oct 2007 at 02:53 - 187

Imagine a wurm dragon

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

02 Oct 2007 at 05:50 - 188

Isn't the name of Primordus already the big clue? It's derived from Primordial, which means

a) first created or developed
b) existing in or persisting from the beginning (as of a solar system or universe)
c) earliest formed in the growth of an individual or organ

Primordus' name might allude to it being been in the world since the beginning, among the first creatures in the world, or perhaps simply just the first dragon.

Perhaps all dragons (including Glint and Kunaanveg) were descended from Primordus, possibly even all life in the world.

The thing about something so large is that they need not be evil to make life horrible for everyone else. They are huge, and would require a lot of space and resources. So by simply living, they roll over and crush everyone else. Who rightly feel that they are evil.

Glint and Kunaaveg could just be so small that their requirements are lower than their value, so they are tolerated and loved by the humans. If they get too big, their best interests might never coincide with human's best interests.

Apparently our current Gods might all have been humans or human-like before their "Ascension" to be Gods, like Kormir. They might well just be the latest generation of Gods, the generation where humans have been around.

Creatures like Primordus might just be used to Gods coming and going.

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

The Neo Unholy Trio

W/

02 Oct 2007 at 06:49 - 189

This is an RPG. A huge dragon, let alone one that causes life altering conditions across the globe, is necessarily evil.

But then again, if we add the Prophecies clause to the game, we will be betrayed and misled for 90% of the storyline and end up causing more destruction than if we had simply remained in the starting area by the time it is all over. So who knows for sure, but it seems likely that the dragons will be the Big Bads of GW2 at the start. That one threat that will find Charr and Humans fighting side by side and the Norn actually forming armies.

World peace is not attainable with diplomacy or equality, but with huge friggin' dragons.

Hopefully they'll be as big (or bigger) as they appear in GW:EN. The Drakkar Lake dragon (possibly the Shiverpeaks Dragon) is pretty big, but if that that thing in the between Grothmar Wardowns and Dalada Uplands is just part of the Charr (or Desert) dragon, then I expect some pretty epic fights.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

02 Oct 2007 at 09:23 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Dragons" from The Movement of the World

The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory. The only thing known about these monsters is that they have no pity, no curiosity—no concern at all for the other races of the world. Their only goal seems to be to dominate, to control, and to destroy.

I dont know about you guys but my characters will be viewing them as evil.

Vanessa Dwager

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/R

03 Oct 2007 at 03:34 - 191

Calm down People! Reading through 10 pages of thoughts made me have thoughts of my own and somehow it all connects. Allright, so theres three lands right? Tyria, Cantha, Elona. Characters have come from all of these lands and I can only believe that the characters return home after EotN. Heres what I think.

Tyrian Descendent's:
If your character was originally Tyrian you'll start out near LA considering it's the only human area thats stable. Norn characters probably start in the southern Shiverpeaks. Charr in the Iron Citadel somewhere in ascalon. Asura near Rata Sum. Slyvari will probably be in the deep jungle, considering the flood wipes out the coastline. I'm not sure how HoM ties in with the non humans.

Cantha Descendent's:
You'll start out somewhere in Cantha, presumably near KC. Depending if you have a Kurzick/Luxon title is what your heritage will be. Kurzick/luxons won't be totally destroyed, just defeated. So you'll probably see them around, just not running around their own lands. Theres a chance Tengu are kept around by the emperor, since they showed they are more than mindless beasts.

Elona Descendent's
You'll start out in one of the major cities as one of the oppressed humans that want to change the world and set your people free from the Undead Pharaoh like overlord (Now that I think about it this is a lot like the Egypt part in the bible.)

How the titles may carry over: Now these are just thoughts, and only really work for human characters that descend from the GW1 people.

Protector/Guardian/Vanquisher of Tyria, Cantha, Elona:
Key NPC's remember your descendants as being helpful to their descendants and in turn decide to ask for your help and/or help you.

Cartographer of Tyria, Cantha, Elona:
You know where hidden secrets lie in the land or you know your way around the land better.

Skill Hunter or Tyria, Cantha, Elona:
Your cap sigs cost % less or you might be granted some skills your ancestor capped.

Thats just a few thoughts.

Diva Signet

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

[SCAR]

Mo/

03 Oct 2007 at 03:51 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

The future is bright indeed. Are here I am thinking, save the mesmer, save the world.

I lol'd.

I'm disappointed with how they've done it. It's almost like they wanted to tie it to GW1, but really didn't want to put that much work into it.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

03 Oct 2007 at 05:41 - 193

Actually, Vanessa, the impression I've had is that all human descendants end up in Kryta one way or another, whether as (descendants of - their families will have been there for about two centuries after all) refugees of the fall of Ascalon, the regime in Cantha or Palawa Joko's regime.

Basically, all human characters (at least at the time of the initial release) will start in Kryta, it's just that those inheriting from Canthan or Elonian characters will have a Canthan or Elonian in their family history (I say 'in the family history', because it could be passed on through something like the original heroes' family dying off and bequeathing their inheritance to a favoured student or something like that somewhere in the line - which explains, for instance, how nonhumans can inherit from humans)

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

04 Oct 2007 at 05:54 - 194

I have to ask what will be the intelligence level of these dragons. Will they hold more knowledge then Glint and Kuunvang, since they have been around longer? I always find it more appealing to have a much more intellectual adversary then to a dead drone which is hell bent on just destroying stuff (*cough* Great Destroyer). Character development would be nice in GW 2 not just for heroes, but for the villains as well.

Actually I would really like to see the Dragons or other villain(s) to offer the main PC (playable character) a proposition. Telling the PC that everything that was prevailed to their ancestors caused more damage to Tyria, then it did to heal it. It would be easier if they let things be re-written instead of the PC to be puppets to their supposed beloved gods. Why should the PC be the puppet when you could become the master of their domain?

Also it would be great if your alliances eventually lead to a full blown war that would include new and old allies. I am a sucker for epic battles. It would be amazing to see Glint’s children, Kuunvang’s decedents, Kormir (Goddess of Truth) and others help you defeat these nemesis. For instance Glint’s children are able to crystallize certain part of the ancient dragon’s body. So it can’t use its special ability against you and your team. While Kormir could use a “Spear of Light” that literally flings enemies backwards and immobilize others.

However most of all I would really love some deeper lore, to some of the things that was left unanswered in the first Guild Wars trilogy. Even to the extent of who were the God’s before they became all powerful beings. Were they heroes just like the PC who tried to vanquish old enemies; only find one destiny that would ensue in their everlasting victory?

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

04 Oct 2007 at 06:12 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa Dwager

Cantha Descendent's:
You'll start out somewhere in Cantha, presumably near KC. Depending if you have a Kurzick/Luxon title is what your heritage will be. Kurzick/luxons won't be totally destroyed, just defeated. So you'll probably see them around, just not running around their own lands. Theres a chance Tengu are kept around by the emperor, since they showed they are more than mindless beasts.

Elona Descendent's
You'll start out in one of the major cities as one of the oppressed humans that want to change the world and set your people free from the Undead Pharaoh like overlord (Now that I think about it this is a lot like the Egypt part in the bible.)

I think it'll be cool if the Kurzicks and Luxons start deep in their own territory, in Rhea's Crater and that other Kurzick place in the south. And have to start questing to make contact with each other to start the rebellion.

For Elona, I reckon a hidden cave like Sunspear Sanctuary or Moddok's Crevice would be a good starting point for refugee Sunspears to plan their fight-back. Or maybe they'd have to throw their lot in with the Corsairs for mutual survival, and start in Barberous Coast. Would be nice to be able to play a Corsair.

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

04 Oct 2007 at 06:13 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

I have to ask what will be the intelligence level of these dragons. Will they hold more knowledge then Glint and Kuunvang, since they have been around longer?

They'll know a lot about the old days, but nothing about new technology like mobile phones and computers.

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

04 Oct 2007 at 06:25 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by arsie

They'll know a lot about the old days, but nothing about new technology like mobile phones and computers.

So that probably means a weakness that can be exploited against them. Since they probably don’t know about power or magical ramifications of these beings living on Tyria now; this could play into their own demise. Seeing as it’s easy to assume that when the gods gave out their power to the creatures of Tyria, was after the dragons went into hibernation. The combination of the right amount of power could be their undoing; especially if most of the races ally together against them.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

04 Oct 2007 at 08:05 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

However most of all I would really love some deeper lore, to some of the things that was left unanswered in the first Guild Wars trilogy. Even to the extent of who were the God’s before they became all powerful beings. Were they heroes just like the PC who tried to vanquish old enemies; only find one destiny that would ensue in their everlasting victory?

My theory is that Dwayna and Melandru are the originals. Partly because they have the most fundamental domains (Melandru has domain over the earth, Dwayna over everything above the earth - while the others essentially just cover what's in between...) and partly because each is being depicted as wings, which I see in this case as signifying the "original" deific form (while Dwayna's wings clearly have a connection to her area of responsibility, Melandru's do not).

Finally, of those deities whose predecessors aren't actually known (the above, Balthazar, Lyssa), I don't know of any occasions where Dwayna or Melandru are listed as having family, apart from the general 'we are all Dwayna/Melandru's children'-like statements. Balthazar, on the other hand, has Menzies (who, by this theory, presumably found some way to semi-ascend himself - possibly the two started off by fighting over the power of the last war god and Balthazar got the majority, but Menzies got enough to achieve immortality and the ability to gather his own servants), while Lyssa is actually a pair of twin sisters, a state of affairs that may have arisen from a pair of mortals deciding to share the power of their predecessor and jointly assume the responsibilities of deityhood.

It's not, however, necassarily the case that Balthazar and Lyssa (and possibly Abaddon) took their places by throwing down their predecesors - they may have simply been at the right time at the right place when their predecessor was brought low by another, possibly one of the primordial dragons. (Come to think on it, the dragons may be why Abaddon was so angry about mortal magic being nerfed - he may have seen that as a weakening of mortals' ability to fight the dragons and seen ability to fight dragons later as more important than peace now.

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05 Oct 2007 at 02:06 - 199

WARNING : Don't hear an offensive tone in my reply, it's rather amused and laughing. Sorry you made me smile.

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Originally Posted by Eldin

I basically want:

-Ascalon to be rebuilt
-The races to stop being gay and not trusting one another
-The dwarves to return
-Elona to not be so...well...screwed
-Cantha to be more destroyed than it is now! I HATE CANTHA!

Number 1 Rule They don't Teach You in School : Life's not fair! Get used to it!

-Ascalon rebuilt? Ascalon's role is to be blasted and ruined. It's War's realm.
AVE Balthazar!
-Stop not thrusting each others? Since when can human do this with other humans in the first place?
-Dwarves are outdated. One of the few place they look good is D&D and The Lord of the Rings
-Interesting i think it's better in Joko's grasp. Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate Elona. Just love Joko, he's cooler that the Cataclysm undead. Less realistic but funnier
-Just... Don'T... Touch...My... Cantha...

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Originally Posted by Eldin

GW2 is turning a bit too WoWish. We know how this works out...
It's WoW but with THREE factions! :O

I'll give you that.
Only thing I dont like is Mankind's loss of power .

The only thing that bug me is the Madened Spirit saying something about Kormir not being the first one to replace the God of Secret and Abadon originallly starting as God of Truth. (I'll admit he just state (so to speak, he's mad after all) something about Abadon starting like Kormir) Though that could basically state that the gods aren't the first Gods...

Maybe a good thing they keep Kormir's affair for later. By the way, has she already been mentioned anywhere (in GW2 lore) as being the 6th god? (read : outside of Nightfall).

EDIT: About the gods being ascended human. Unless there were "original" gods, it doesn't make sense, ascension is being noticed by the 5 gods (as we know it in Prophecy). They'd have to generalise the lore or make out something else.

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05 Oct 2007 at 19:54 - 200

Maybe the super gaints that roam tryia were the first gods or something like that