Move the points from Survivor to Lucky, and remove the Survivor title.
I don't like having my main character "gimped" compared to newer characters just because she was made a year before titles were introduced. Besides, with all of these reconnect issues and the refusal to add a toggle feature to reconnects, it's only suitable that Survivor count towards Lucky.
Remove "Survivor" title.
Spazzer
JeniM
I'm working on survivor now and i can say that this idea is complete genius
/signed
But wait for all the R3 people to arrive with their "i grinded for this" rant, as long as those people havethe title the chances of them wantng it easier/more aviliable/gone are nil
/signed
But wait for all the R3 people to arrive with their "i grinded for this" rant, as long as those people havethe title the chances of them wantng it easier/more aviliable/gone are nil
Government Flu
The survivor title should stay. I created a character that had most of his titles and experience before I even knew such a title existed. (I started when Factions came out and didn't use any wikis/online information until I beat the game.) When I found out the title did exist, I merely created another character.
I've deleted the ones that have failed, including a 9 month old R2 survivor. What is stopping you from creating a new character yourself to attempt this title? Are you going to ask for the deletion of Legendary Defender of Ascalon as well, since only Perma-Pre characters can attain it?
The survivor title is an option. It is not a required achievement, nor does it somehow weaken characters older than titles themselves. If you want new content, you have to pay 50 bucks for the expansion or new campaign.
If you want a particularly difficult title to attain, you need to create a new character. It makes sense to me.
You can't have it all.
I've deleted the ones that have failed, including a 9 month old R2 survivor. What is stopping you from creating a new character yourself to attempt this title? Are you going to ask for the deletion of Legendary Defender of Ascalon as well, since only Perma-Pre characters can attain it?
The survivor title is an option. It is not a required achievement, nor does it somehow weaken characters older than titles themselves. If you want new content, you have to pay 50 bucks for the expansion or new campaign.
If you want a particularly difficult title to attain, you need to create a new character. It makes sense to me.
You can't have it all.
Mitchel
Why should a title that everyone can get be removed, when a title that only 6 classes can get should stay?
JeniM
Heres what i don't understand
Mention a reputation title and everyone yells GRIND GRIIIIIIIIND!!!! at you get you mention survivor and people seem to defend it
Just doesn't make sence
He is saying as characters could be created before the title existed not before he knew about it, Government Flu. What the OP is saying is that this is not fair on these old characters as they are down one title just for being with the game since the start
I've only been playing 9 months and i have a character and build that can farm XP quick enough and safe enough i just haven't got round to grinding it, nothing is stopping the OP aking a character for survivior but that means having it on another character and some people like having less characters with everything on one
Mention a reputation title and everyone yells GRIND GRIIIIIIIIND!!!! at you get you mention survivor and people seem to defend it
Just doesn't make sence
He is saying as characters could be created before the title existed not before he knew about it, Government Flu. What the OP is saying is that this is not fair on these old characters as they are down one title just for being with the game since the start
I've only been playing 9 months and i have a character and build that can farm XP quick enough and safe enough i just haven't got round to grinding it, nothing is stopping the OP aking a character for survivior but that means having it on another character and some people like having less characters with everything on one
BLOODGOAT
I don't think it's fair that people cry so much about a line of text on a god damn game. If it's so important to you, just REMAKE CHARACTER. Otherwise you look like a blubbering vagina.
Jwh6913
actually, down 2 titles , I say they should be fair, and provide us with 2 title tracks so EVERYONE can have the chance to get the final rank of the koabd title
problem solved!
problem solved!
KillaKarl
actually your only down 1 title, LDOA and survivor are mutually exclusive, you can get surviovr, but u cant death level to LDOA,
and 2. i just finally got this title after 11 months, i earned it and it wouuld be UNFAIR to the ones who like me, have earned it, i sympathise with those who have chars older then the titles, and anet should maybe rework the title so that it only resets the xp counter, then everyone could get it, regardless of age
/notsign your idea
/sign my idea
and 2. i just finally got this title after 11 months, i earned it and it wouuld be UNFAIR to the ones who like me, have earned it, i sympathise with those who have chars older then the titles, and anet should maybe rework the title so that it only resets the xp counter, then everyone could get it, regardless of age
/notsign your idea
/sign my idea
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Why should a title that everyone can get be removed, when a title that only 6 classes can get should stay?
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and 2. i just finally got this title after 11 months, i earned it and it wouuld be UNFAIR to the ones who like me
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It should never have been added in the first place, but it'd be silly to get rid of it now. Oh, and your character is not "gimped" for lack of a title.
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Vinraith
It should never have been added in the first place, but it'd be silly to get rid of it now. Oh, and your character is not "gimped" for lack of a title. Titles don't matter (well, except the ones with gameplay effects, which survivor fortunately lacks).
arbiter
the best idea ive heard for surviver title is to make it so that you just need that amount of XP in between deaths. So therefore say your character already has died, but if you get that 1/4mil xp or w/e it is b4 you die again, you can get the title. That way for those people whos main character was made long before the title can still get it if they choose. Also, for the people who died while getting theirs, they could still get it without having to delete the character completely and start over.
PureEvilYak
I think the point is not that survivor is a bad title, but that there are those of us who would have got it, but titles didn't exist when we created our characters, which I can empathize with. I am not bothered about titles on any character but my ranger, but as he was created 26 months ago, and had racked up around 500-1000 deaths by the time titles were released, he can't get survivor. Its not too important to me, but if I could do it again, I would.
One compromise would be to make it so that survivor can be gotten at any stage of the game, you just have to not die for (1337600?) experience. However, this would make survivor much easier (no grind from level 1), and make it so Tyrian characters had the edge on the KoaBD title.
Another way to solve things would be to remove both of those titles. This would annoy one hell of a lot of people, so this method is out, too.
As this is a pretty messed up system, there would only be 1 solution, which I formed from the internet game "Kingdom of Loathing"'s idea of Ascension. What Anet would do is create an NPC who sends you temporarily to level 1, perhaps giving you an effect like "call of the eye". You would then get a secondary experience bar, and level back up according to this. This bar would also be the counter for the Survivor title. You could get rid of this effect by talking to said NPC again, or by dying. To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.
I can't see it happening, but if they were to make survivor available to those of us who didn't know about it to begin with, that would be the way forward.
One compromise would be to make it so that survivor can be gotten at any stage of the game, you just have to not die for (1337600?) experience. However, this would make survivor much easier (no grind from level 1), and make it so Tyrian characters had the edge on the KoaBD title.
Another way to solve things would be to remove both of those titles. This would annoy one hell of a lot of people, so this method is out, too.
As this is a pretty messed up system, there would only be 1 solution, which I formed from the internet game "Kingdom of Loathing"'s idea of Ascension. What Anet would do is create an NPC who sends you temporarily to level 1, perhaps giving you an effect like "call of the eye". You would then get a secondary experience bar, and level back up according to this. This bar would also be the counter for the Survivor title. You could get rid of this effect by talking to said NPC again, or by dying. To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.
I can't see it happening, but if they were to make survivor available to those of us who didn't know about it to begin with, that would be the way forward.
FelixCarter
Survivor is the stupidest title ever concieved. It's the only title that, once you've lost, you can never obtain. Bugs, glitches, and anything else that feels like dropping by can frag the title faster than a two-year-old skateboarder.
Let the people that want Survivor go for it. I completely ignore the title all together. I have never gone for it and will never go for it.
People that have Survivor, I tend to stay away from. Last thing I want is a person who jumps out of a group at the first sign of trouble.
/Notsigned. Let the lemmings waste their time on a title that has more glitches than Shodan.
Let the people that want Survivor go for it. I completely ignore the title all together. I have never gone for it and will never go for it.
People that have Survivor, I tend to stay away from. Last thing I want is a person who jumps out of a group at the first sign of trouble.
/Notsigned. Let the lemmings waste their time on a title that has more glitches than Shodan.
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To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.
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Maybe remove LDOA from characters who have left presearing?
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Heimdallw32
Well, it seems like there's only one truly across-the-board fair solution. Since we can't please everyone, the only option is to make everyone equally unhappy. Fair for all. That being said? Only way to resolve all of this is to remove titles utterly. Sure, Anet put alot of work into them and gave them to us for free, but no, we must have this or that, because "it's not fair", despite it being just a game.
So I propose all titles be removed. Also anything else that people want, since some people have things other people want, but other people don't want to try to get themselves for various reasons. There ya go. Nothing anyone wants, completely fair. Now no-one can complain that "he has something I want but I don't want to do it myself!".
So I propose all titles be removed. Also anything else that people want, since some people have things other people want, but other people don't want to try to get themselves for various reasons. There ya go. Nothing anyone wants, completely fair. Now no-one can complain that "he has something I want but I don't want to do it myself!".
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Well, it seems like there's only one truly across-the-board fair solution. Since we can't please everyone, the only option is to make everyone equally unhappy. Fair for all. That being said? Only way to resolve all of this is to remove titles utterly. Sure, Anet put alot of work into them and gave them to us for free, but no, we must have this or that, because "it's not fair", despite it being just a game.
So I propose all titles be removed. Also anything else that people want, since some people have things other people want, but other people don't want to try to get themselves for various reasons. There ya go. Nothing anyone wants, completely fair. Now no-one can complain that "he has something I want but I don't want to do it myself!". |
An easy "fix" would be to give people who don't have Survivor or LDoA a different title they can max out.
Survivors won't be able to access that title and, of course, cannot become LDoA.
LDoA has never been able to have Survivor and won't have access to this title, either.
/Fixed.
Heimdallw32
It's sarcasm. Seemed appropriate.
Anyway.
There have been "calls to arms" like this before, complaints/suggestions/etc. regarding Survivor and how old characters can't get it. KoaBD is an -optional- part of the game. There's no actual in-game benefit to having it. Its only purpose is to make you feel good. To that end, I agree with just adding another title track in. Modifying Survivor so that older characters could get it would cheapen the title itself, and merging it with Lucky would leave KoaBD contenders with the same problem (since they would -still- lack one title). And messing with LDoA would be rather pointless as well. Should be easy enough for Anet to find something we can grind for or whatever, without having to rely on pure luck (which is what Survivor really is.).
Anyway.
There have been "calls to arms" like this before, complaints/suggestions/etc. regarding Survivor and how old characters can't get it. KoaBD is an -optional- part of the game. There's no actual in-game benefit to having it. Its only purpose is to make you feel good. To that end, I agree with just adding another title track in. Modifying Survivor so that older characters could get it would cheapen the title itself, and merging it with Lucky would leave KoaBD contenders with the same problem (since they would -still- lack one title). And messing with LDoA would be rather pointless as well. Should be easy enough for Anet to find something we can grind for or whatever, without having to rely on pure luck (which is what Survivor really is.).
Onarik Amrak
Hahahaha, this is a joke right?
My warrior can't get Survivor. I'll live with it.
But don't rob my Paragon and Ranger of their titles.
My warrior can't get Survivor. I'll live with it.
But don't rob my Paragon and Ranger of their titles.
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Good question. I suppose they'd both have to go.
My suggestion has nothing to do with removing all of your hard work. With the addition of the Hall of Monuments, it will have an effect on Guild Wars 2. Furthermore, with the addition of the Rainbow Phoenix, it contributes to gameplay in that respect as well. |
Lionhe4rt
easy fix; give all old characters a new title called "War Veteran" , it looks 1337, they can't get survivor though and everybody will be happy. (yeah... riiight)
Necris
I can't believe you people are whining and complaining about titles.
Tsk.
Tsk.
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I can't believe you people are whining and complaining about titles.
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Spazzer
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(I started when Factions came out and didn't use any wikis/online information until I beat the game.)
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KoaBD is an -optional- part of the game. There's no actual in-game benefit to having it.
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wetsparks
I made a suggestion thread a while back that would have allowed people to get Survivor title and LDoA title after beating the game. It was simply a quest at the end of the game for Survivor, given by someone in the end game area (after last mission) in Factions and Nightfall and by Glint in Prophecies. It was a fair suggestion and people ripped it apart because they were willing to delete their old characters and I should quit whining and do the same. In my thread I also suggested a quest from Glint that would alow you to go to a hard mode type pre-searing and after getting 120,000 exp or whatever it is to get to lvl 20 you get LDoA, this would take a long time just like original LDoA because of no quests and large groups to split exp, just run around killing high level mobs, this suggestion pretty much got ignored.
MithranArkanere
It's true that the survivor title is senseless unfar as it is, but removing it is not the answer. Being able to retake it anytime its the answer.
Yes, it's a title about luck more than anything else, but it's a title that many people already earned and added to their HoM.
Yes, it's a title about luck more than anything else, but it's a title that many people already earned and added to their HoM.
Crowell The Fallen
I don't think survivor should be removed.
However, i think another title related to EXP should be added, so that the old characters before survivor have something they can achieve too.
However, i think another title related to EXP should be added, so that the old characters before survivor have something they can achieve too.
ValaOfTheFens
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Which says not to pug.Blah...I have more to say but will say it in the morning.
Mohnzh
I think Mithran hinted at this, but I didn't see it mentioned explicitly. Would people be opposed to a title that is LIKE the survivor title, but it resets every time you die. So if you get so much experience without dying, it show up. But the moment you die, the counter resets and you lose the title. It would be "maxable", but not count towards KOABD because it would be loseable. Yeah, it's a little "easier" than the way it is setup now, but it gives the chance to get it to the players that started their main chars before the title was available.
Lourens
on my necro i got rank 3 and im proud of having died 2000 times on my ranger whahaha
FelixCarter
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I think Mithran hinted at this, but I didn't see it mentioned explicitly. Would people be opposed to a title that is LIKE the survivor title, but it resets every time you die. So if you get so much experience without dying, it show up. But the moment you die, the counter resets and you lose the title. It would be "maxable", but not count towards KOABD because it would be loseable. Yeah, it's a little "easier" than the way it is setup now, but it gives the chance to get it to the players that started their main chars before the title was available.
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I still think that a new title should be added that LDoA and Survivors can never have access to. It will allow everyone in the game to have the same amount of titles if (and only if) they work for them.
Let Survivors keep their glitched and random title.
But if ANet adds such a title, I bet you anything all the Survivors here will start to complain that they should have access to it.
william1975
I think the main issue for the Op here is that there are two titles that were unknown of when he started, and are impossibel to gain now for him, as they are for my main charcter, and with the addition of the HoM and the use of titles in unlockign things in GW2 this is unfair as not getting it may affect that game.
removig the title is unfair, simply because people have worked hard to get both Survivor and LDOA, I myself have managed to get one character to level 3 of survivor, soloing it or with my partner, it took time and effort and i don't want to lose the title now.
However my favorite toon, Calisto, was created before the onset of titles, and could nto get either or these.
Simply put i would like for a new tite doable only by those failing Survivor and not having LDOA. This as others suggest is the only fair and viable solution to this flaw.
removig the title is unfair, simply because people have worked hard to get both Survivor and LDOA, I myself have managed to get one character to level 3 of survivor, soloing it or with my partner, it took time and effort and i don't want to lose the title now.
However my favorite toon, Calisto, was created before the onset of titles, and could nto get either or these.
Simply put i would like for a new tite doable only by those failing Survivor and not having LDOA. This as others suggest is the only fair and viable solution to this flaw.
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TheRaven
I still like my solution the best. I posted this in another thread somewhere that was griping about the survivor title.
Create a new "difficulty master" quest somewhere in the game that would require a lot of time and skill to reach. Perhaps something along the lines of earning both the fow and uw clearance monuments and a new NPC pops up in the Hall of Monuments offering a new quest. This new quest requires you to slay 10 infamous bosses (Urgoz, Kanaxai, Mallyx, Shiro, Glint, Lich, Abaddon, etc). Once you've accomplished this, return to the Hall and the NPC gives you your quest reward which includes a 1 time only death counter reset to 0.
This quest is not repeatable. The counter can only be reset once. If you blow it, tough.
Create a new "difficulty master" quest somewhere in the game that would require a lot of time and skill to reach. Perhaps something along the lines of earning both the fow and uw clearance monuments and a new NPC pops up in the Hall of Monuments offering a new quest. This new quest requires you to slay 10 infamous bosses (Urgoz, Kanaxai, Mallyx, Shiro, Glint, Lich, Abaddon, etc). Once you've accomplished this, return to the Hall and the NPC gives you your quest reward which includes a 1 time only death counter reset to 0.
This quest is not repeatable. The counter can only be reset once. If you blow it, tough.
EternalTempest
/not signed
That being said, don't have any GW2 unlocks via HoM for Survivor and Legendary Defender of Ascalon. (Still keep the statues).
That being said, don't have any GW2 unlocks via HoM for Survivor and Legendary Defender of Ascalon. (Still keep the statues).
Government Flu
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Perhaps one day you'll realize you're playing a game that'll eventually die out as newer and better sequels, revisions, and concepts come out. Perhaps you'll realize that a few letters constructed into one or two words that hang below your character's name means next to nothing in the grand scope of things.
Until then, continue to gripe about how unfair life is. Continue to demand justice in the most insignificant areas possible. I posted a respectful counterpoint and you just had to show your teeth.
I'm done posting in this thread. Good luck with your mission.
Explodie
If you delete survivor then quit 60% of guildwars with playing, why did they spend 1.337.500 XP without die'ing, if they gonna delete it?
So really not /signed.
I rather quit playing, when they delete this title ...
So really not /signed.
I rather quit playing, when they delete this title ...
Spazzer
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Perhaps one day you'll realize you're playing a game that'll eventually die out as newer and better sequels, revisions, and concepts come out. Perhaps you'll realize that a few letters constructed into one or two words that hang below your character's name means next to nothing in the grand scope of things.
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Dougal Kronik
Anet should just make a third title that those characters who have LDoA or Survivor are excluded from.
Like; there is LDoA but you can't get Survivor and vice versa.
Like; there is LDoA but you can't get Survivor and vice versa.
thezed
Great Idea! In the meantime, let remove everything else I can't get! I know, Im horrible at PvP, so lets remove all the PvP titles!
*end sarcasm*
/not signed. Removing content is rarly a good idea, esp such a popular title. If you can't get it on your main char, create a new one and try it there. If you can't get it at all, then maybe survivor is not for you.
*end sarcasm*
/not signed. Removing content is rarly a good idea, esp such a popular title. If you can't get it on your main char, create a new one and try it there. If you can't get it at all, then maybe survivor is not for you.