Remove "Survivor" title.

My 'main' char (like countless others here) was created way before the advent of titles - so I too am hoping that ANet creates 'some way' for me to attain the Survivor title with him since dying was not an issue prior to this title (and yes I have already achieved Legendary Survivor on my mesmer - but I really want it on my main char!)

Please ANet - be ftw here - give us 'since day 1' players a way to get Survivor on our 'pre-title' chars!

With that being said though - other posters are correct that those who have LDoA can't have access to this potential new way of getting Survivor - as that would be unfair to Assassins/Ritualists/Dervishes/Paragons who can never get LDoA...

Another 'I can't get it so nobody should have it' string, how original.

If it would stop all the whining I'd support the idea that another title be added for those incapable of reaching survivor from level 1, or don't want it that much that they will remake a character.

I find the idea of getting rid of the Survivor title completely ridiculously. It's more like punishing the people that spent the time and effort and aswell the continuous remakes of the same character for no reason whatsoever. If you can't get the title then thats your problem, if your character was made before hand then delete it and get the title if you want to have a such a title that badly. I made a character that had meaning because of it's name and i felt because of the name it deserved the title so i got it for it, to remove the title is completely ridiculous and something that just won't happen.

No, neither nuclear war nor the threat of international communism shall prevent me form continually restarting to get survivor.

Why do you feel your character is inferior to those who have obtained survivor status? From what I understand they are not treated with much reverance.

They are either labelled as pointless grinders, or "Brave Sir Robins" (Search for "Sir Robin, Monty Python and the Holy Grail" to understand this reference).

In case you are in any doubt that's a no from me.

"Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge..."

I don't support removing the title, I support giving ever character made before survivor was introduced a free title like "War Veteran" that counts towards KoaBD. They have supported gw for the longest why shouldn't they be rewarded?

Did we really need to copy paste

Anyway /signed for the "get the XP when you feel like it" idea even if it'll never happen

It's pretty unfair to remove titles or fix it for pre title characters to gain the title etc, Its a game it has rules and rules sometimes change, live with it.

Anything you would gain is at the expense of other players that is not reasonable.

Take surviver to give someone the chance to go for that title when they are already 20th level have lots of experience playing that character good weapons and armor etc and know the main dangers of the world would diminish the value of the title.

Some poor player who got there starting from 1st level would have every right to complain if you had equal status.

I have no axe to grind, I like the explorer title and thats about all I would go for, I think some of the other titles are a programmers joke on the players.

They wondered just how much time and effort performing dreary boring tasks they could get the players to go through for a title.

Even explorer isn't perfect you have to practically climb every tree and lift every cowpat to get 100% by that criteria there has never been an explorer in the history of this planet I havn't explored the house I live in to that level.

hmm seems I did have an axe to grind after all
sorry

I like this idea but it has about 1% chance of happening. Yes I wish there was a way for my warrior to get Legendary Defender of Ascalon or Legendary Survivor but I guess I'll have to just live with it. Removing these titles would be completely unfair to those who have worked long and hard to achieve them and many people will be angry. Good job to all those who have received these titles btw.

In the spirit of fairness, Why not make 35 pvp titles and 35 pve titles and max Koabd at 30. This would allow everyone that doesn't play the other side of the game to max koabd with room for error. Also make the HoM a place that can be accessed from the guild halls(if you own GW:EN) for the pvp players.......

BTW I don't pvp at all. I went for survivor a few times and then realized it was way less stress to strip of all my armor and run into the 1st mob I saw and let it kill me, lol I have never looked back.....

Look at the trouble grind brings.... *sigh* This is pathetic.

A.) Best solution: Someone else has something you don't have. GET OVER IT!
B.) Alternate solution: Change survivor from 0 deaths till whatever xp to gaining whatever xp without death.
C.) Either way, it DOES NOT NEED TO BE REMOVED.

I don't think survivor should be removed because I love the challenge it brings and the point to KoaBD is also a bonus. Also I guess you could also say it wouldn't be fair for people who worked to obtain the title.

I don't think there should be a reset xp counter from deaths because then it would enable LDoA characters to obtain survivor title as well giving them an edge over any other character.

To make it fair for older characters I think there should be a new title made that survivors and LDoA chars can't get, but im not sure what that title would be... time to think hard XD

I think i go for LS in GW2 right from the start.

Haha, think that can be achieved by creating a title, which only characters created before Factions, can obtain.

You know, this whole "LS takes no skill" thing pisses me off to no end. I play every mission, do every quest, i do the bonus in dunes of despair, and even join pugs with stunningly low levels of skill. And still people accuse me of farming all my exp point in easy places. If only i had a way to prove that i actually earned it...

Sorry but in my eyes LS does take no skill at all, my guild-mate got it from 1 build, 1 support hero, 1 area, hard mode and loads of patience. Really the only thing to it is spamming some skills in HM with a suporter hero, only skill is keeping the aggro otherwise if they find the hero thats 8hours of work gone. Factions made survivor a one day title and its not one i respect hugely

it doesn't matter what it is or how much skill it takes

it's +1 (or -1) to the kind of a big deal track for most people

Well yeah, LS would be worthless to me if i got it like that. But instead i expose my monk to all kinds of abuse and ele spike bosses. The only thing i don't risk is fighting lava imps.

And i never use the same build twice in a row. The problem: No one believes it. It's the same thing with internet porn: You can scream all you want that you don't watch it all day long, but everyone just goes "Yeah right.."

Simple solutions than just typical "remove everything".

Characters who was made before survivor title was made available, get temporal button what when clicked it, let you attempt achieve it, additionally that button take account how much exp your character already has (so if someone has played with character since beginning and got a lot exp, they get title already maxed from button press).

Well, My 'Sin is Legendary Survivor, and It was real a hard task...
But
/signed

I'd prefer it.

LOL is this thread for real?

Spazzar, tell me, is your "gimped" character anywhere near the IOMLB/MGHSLRM title? If it is, then I can see where you're comming from- but I highly doubt it.

Stop being so selfish you scrub; my warrior missed out on it too. Deal with it.

Yes, she is.

/signed for either removal or add way to get it for everyone,
22 max titles without surviver. It retarded that there only 29 titles that my character can max, when survivers have 30, and surviver is easy as heck to get.
Btw, made a surviver paragon, max armor, elite skills, and weapons at lvl 2. Got runs to Lutz at lvl 12, hero faction farmed to LS
Surviver is as retardedly easy as ever.
Also everyone who say, "well i did it the "legit" way, not doin all those gimicks, people should think its a prestegous title"
Guess what, you did it the hard way. If got Protector will only using half my attribute points on me and my hero, should people feel like my protector title is elite, heck no.

And btw, to all the people who say i shouldn't get survivor becaused i died because i'm no longer a survivor, fine, when ur surviver character dies, you also loose the title, not matter what rank it is, because hey it died, it not a surviver anymore.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is of having LDoA and Survivor unattainable for older characters, there are still 40 titles available without those two.

You just have to be willing to put up with the grind of pvp titles or farming gold for sweet tooth or even drunkard.

My main character isn't survivor and she has 18 titles maxed, I am not upset that she cannot be a survivor, because I know 30 titles is still a possibility. If we are looking at 2 years for GW2 I am fine with having the grind of maxing other titles, because it will give me something to do while I wait for the release.

They are BOTH fine titles. They shouldn't be removed, not after 1 year of being around. They should, on the other hand, be changed... I've said this a million times, what's the point of having a title system, with a display to brag about them, when U CAN'T have all titles on one character... Look at HoM, Some people have a fully filled HoM with all their titles, and than another charcter just has Gwen from LDoA...

Change LDoA and Survivor to what they should have been since the beginning:

Survivor: 1,337,000 experience since LAST death, this wouldn't change the title, because people can still go for it withouth having a single dead, people who got disconnected atleast have a second (and third, etc...).
THIS WILL NOT CHEAPEN THE TITLE, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING TO REMAKE THE CHARACTER (what 99% of the people do after they lost it), YOU CAN ACTUALLY JUST START AGAIN.
As soon as a player stays alive for the 1.3M experience, he's a survivor right? So I don't understand why people say this would cheapen the title, because someone has infite tries... If people are just bad, they won't get it anyways, and otherwise they would just farm it.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY THIS TITLE SHOULDN'T BE "Since LAST death"

LDoA: I know Anet is really stubborn about this one, because it was supposed to be a reward for people who found a way to get to level 20 in Pre-Searing, but that doesn't change the fact that THIS TITLE IS DISPLAYABLE, AND IT DOES COUNT TOWARDS KoaBD-track, and thus SHOULD BE ACCESSABLE FOR EVERYONE. There is a million ways they can fix this, OR by removing the title, and give the LVL20's in Pre another reward, but not something as game-breaking as a title. They can also revert an existing character to lvl1, remove skills etc, and send it back to Pre. Make it be like a flashback or anything.

ANET CAN fix this, they are just to lazy/stubborn. If enough people sign, the title system might actually make sense soon?!

I think Anet's idea of Survivor was that if you had enough skill to stay alive, then you get the titles. Now, moving them to the Lucky title track changes things. It's basically saying that they just got lucky, not that they are smart enough to avoid death.

Also, I don't want to get my title removed from something that is not necessarily needed.

I will murder anybody who suggests this...happily...r3 suvivor on my para, absolute pain but I got it...looks awesome...remove title and I have nothing on him!

title shows determination and a certain level of ["rimmerness"(search for: red dwarf)] dont remove it or bad things will happen

pretty much sums it all up ^^

Uh huh. Sure...

dumbass.

I can farm 10 million experience on my monk if I want to at lvl 20. Without dying. Easily.

there are 40 titles you can get. Stop whining.

/signed infinity

Are you people still whining about this? Jesus Christ.

Euhm, I don't understand your post fully, but really, did you have problems with your famility when you were young? Didnd't your mommy love you or somethign?

My POINT is that the title is already cheap, so U obviously didn't read my post (can U even read?), The survivor title is ALREADY cheap, So there is no reason why NOT to change it to experience since last death. (I know people who lagged out multiple times in a row, losing survivor at lvl1-2 each time) They had to remake the character, thus losing points towards drunkard, etc...

"There are 40 other titles?" That is completely IRRELEVANT, so what you are saying is that as long as there are enough other titles, BNET can add as many broken titles as they want? Why not add EMO-title (most deaths), or "runnning a zone in and out" (maxing at 10000 times), or "hours spend on dancing"...

No my friend, YOU are the "dumbass" here, with your ignorance... Whining? Geez, sorry I ONLY paid 100+$ for this game, and sorry for the fact that THIS IS A SUGGESTION FORUM... (godieinasewer plox)

The title is cheap? Explain your definition of the word.

Moron.

Did you ever go to school? I'm leaning towards a no.

If you farm it since last death counter the title is even easier than it already is. Oh wait, 600/smiter GG.

Every post you make, you always say a line, then say a derogatory word (You even use a period at the end of it, as if it were a sentence in itself.), then proceed to bash what you don't like/understand.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with titles, anyways. Aren't they suppose to make the game... "Fun"?

Survivor doesn't sound "fun" to me, at all. Maybe to someone else, but I'm never gonna go for it.

I'll suggest (again) that ANet add a title that LDoA and Survivors can never obtain. This will allow everyone to achieve the same amount of titles using a different playing-style.

Survivors like the thrill of avoiding death.
LDaO enjoy breaking away from the "status quo".
The new title should be something very different from the above two.

Survivor isn't a cheap title. Some of us have worked hard to get that title. I never played with others, so I can't be accused of leaving in the middle of a mission because I was about to die. My survivor beat NF and Factions and capped elites along the way to get the title. It was definately NOT cheap.

Those smiters CAN die, even worse, as soon as something goes wrong, they pretty much die within seconds... Same for a 55, sure, some people 55'ed it, but I can guarantee you they were f*/cking focused on their screen, because as soon as 1 thing goes wrong, U die, after 1 hit...

I think you are missing this point:

THE WAY IT IS NOW:

Person X plays untill 1M experience, dies, deletes the character, thus losing all his accomplishments in other tracks (char based).
=> He Gets Another Chance for LS anyways, because U can KEEP on making character, so no matter what, YOU ALREADY DO HAVE INFINITE AMOUNTS OF TRIES...
All that pretty much happened is that he lost ALL his other tracks, so by dying, instead of losing survivor, BNET punished him on ALL his OTHER titles.
Anyways, he makes his next character, gets LS this time, and he's happy, even tough he had to redo alot of the work in other tracks...

THE WAY IT SHOULD BE:

Person X plays untill 1M experience, dies, and the track resets, BUT leaving him with the display of the last achieved title in the Survivor track (so U can still display your title after the death, only the experience gets rerolled to0). He DOESN'T have to delete that character, he just has to redo the grinding. HE DOESN'T lose his drunkard title, HE DOESN'T lose his sweet tooth, etc...

=> The way it is now, people are getting punished on other titles for dying, because they usually do remake the character anyways. (Most of the time the punishment is due the fact they lagged out, I'm sorry BNET, I will try and buy an even better connection next time, cuz obviously it isn't server-based problems)

Making it Experience since last dead would solve this problem + It would offer a small patch to the LDoA + LS problem.

P.S. reading the above post: YES, some people did get their LS in a fair way, but think about this, there is tons of other people like you, who just happened to get dc'ed... Don't these people deserve a second chance, WITHOUTH getting to lagg out?

The only reason I call Survivor "cheap' is because it is more luck-based than skill-based... Average ping lately: 300-500 (Ever since GWEN, Need I say more?)

player hater

i had the same problem, i couldnt get one for my warrior because he was made before it, QQ moar?

i got the title on my ranger anyway, i dont see why you need to take away other peoples work just because you cant get it

The problem is NOT people can't get it, really, if U CAN'T get survivor, U shouldn't play this game... I'm Sure I could get survivor, even worse, I'm sure I could get it this week, But I'm NOT trying, because I sometimes randomly dc's (about once a week, and it is server based, believe me, I don't live in a hut in the middle of a dessert in Africa, I have a good connection).

Also, once again, you failed to read, this counts for every Surivor thread, I have YET to see a guy complain about the fact he died due a fact that lies withitn his own reach.

So for once, and for all (Please, let this stop these redicilous posts):

YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO DC, SO THE TITLE, NO MATTER WHAT HAS SOME LUCK INVOLVED!!! (Concidering the state of Bnet's servers, I would say a whole lot of luck!)

Why do you guys fail to see this guy his point? Like, sure, His solution would be remving the title, mine would be change it, either way, it's ABOUT A BROKEN TITLE, NOT BROKEN PEOPLE

I understand every point made in this forum. It's just that most of them are bad. But way to analyze my posting style, I'll spare you a suitable epithet.

Let me ask you a question then.
LDoA rewards a lot of time invested in one action, and getting to Lvl 20 in pre, which, granted, takes quite a bit of effort & time.
Survivor takes patience, effort, and active management of your character so that you can't just crash through every mob you come to.

They both reward patience and dedication.

What would a title that neither can get reward? Impatience, bad playing, and lack of effort?

Good work, you are sticking up with those who have little to no personal responsibility, and want to be rewarded for said attitude.

Have fun with that. ::insert epithet::

Yes. You can be blamed. That's what I'm doing right now.

You're trying to justify the existence of something that really means nothing, and in trying to attain that title, you frustrate the game for all the players on your team because you leave whenever you're about to get nicked.

@ above, the person stated they went through the campaign with h/h, or at least with 'others'

I'm aware of that, my accusation was that these people, everyone really, are all making a big deal out of something as inconsequential as a title which can only be acquired by not dying.

The only way to not die in GW is to leave when you're just about to die, much to the chagrin of every other player in your party.