HoS chest runs?

Maybe if they spent less time nerfing and a little more time fixing the broke-ass H/H AI the game would be more fun to play.

Just verified. Can't be done anymore. Or if you can do it, its freaking slow.

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Ok, so I've given the 'new and re-re-revised' HoS a try...

To be honest, getting to Magmus isn't really any different than it was before, assuming you fight your way down rather than running (which is what I used to do anyway). The 'more creatures by the door' part of the update is just a couple of extra skelks - I've coughed up tougher things after a good night out.

No, the problem is still Magmus himself. You can't wipe him and *then* deal with the huge number of mobs that spawn (which mostly seem to be lvl24 now instead of lvl20)... no, since they spawn when you ping him you have to bust through them all to focus on Magmus himself... who, since he won't be pulled, just hovers near his spawn point and wipes the party when he feels like it. And you *will* get wiped

Pain Inverter and mesmer shutdowns still seem to be the way to go... but... it's *SUCH* a hard slog to do it, and there's a real danger at 60dp of not being able to beat his regen while you run back after the wipe, rendering the entire run pointless. After he's done, the bunch of lvl24 mobs that spawn from his corpse his practically a bit of light relief!

And for what? For the effort involved, I'd expect a little something more out of that damned chest! I just did the dungeon 5 mins ago (as part of the viability test) with a good, well-balanced team (the same one I used before) of H&H, and what did I get? A lousy Ebon Twin Hammer of (non-max) Enchanting. Great. Thanks. You don't think maybe that oozy creep might have left some GOLD in there? Maybe a gem, too? A single freakin' gem?? I've tripped over unguarded chests on the beach that have contained better loot than this! With gems! And gold!

To sum up - if you're gonna buff the run because people aren't playing the game the way you think they should, then buff the rewards for people who DO play it properly! Stick and carrot, people... stick and carrot...

Peace.

one thing I have to say is all you Freaking chest runners destroyed some aspects of HoS. Especially the mentioned secondary objectives like killing Magmus Its still possible but a hell of a lot harder then before. requiring at least 4 people to effectively kill that boss. Where as 2 could do it in a matter of a few mins before. The Keg delay has effectively made this the hardest boss in the game. as its invincible except for kegs and has spike skills that is near impossible to interrupt.


He spams [skill]liquid flame[/skill] and [skill]Savannah Heat[/skill] almost nonstop while trying to keg him. wait for the next keg to come he regens his health...

Cyndr the Mountain Heart is a push over in comparison. so Thanks a lot for your constipating (yes Constipating!!! as in full of SH!T) and incessant exploiting of the game to ruining it for legitimate players.

TBH I dont really see how this overly hurt the game so many people did and COULD do it that it was spread to all and so many could benefit, it brough more rarer items into the game (which imo is good ).

As said above onyx prices will now go up, this run wasnt really hurting and has been the ONLY thing in GWEN i found fun even if I only got one day of it ah well back to leaving PvE again ^^

To the guy compaining about the chest drops - if it ALWAYS had to give something good you would be in the same situation all over again - no one wants to play other content and everyone wants to play one dungeon ad nauseum. Then someone works out the best way, then it gets too easy because all use the cookie cutter, then Anet decides the rewards are out of kilter, and the circle goes around again. Maybe the better result would have been to tone down the drops rather than make acess harder.

To the guy compaining about Chest Running the mission. Give it up - if someone sees a $50 bill lying in a deserted city street do they leave it there hoping that the someone else that picks it up will be the rightful owner - or do they stuff it in their pocket and say WOOHOO.

I don't expect that really needs an answer does it? The game is built about looking for advantage - in builds, in teams, in synergy - just finding what works really really well. Well they found a good one and its now over - nuff said.

For the record HoS does not have a chest when killing magmus. its a boss kill and a skill cap. and he is near impossibile ot kill. indeed I doubt many will be able to kill it, certainly not alone. not now... maybe 3 or 4 people... we did it with 6 and it was a real pain in the ass to do as we all had to stack up kegs and attack at same time then wait again till everyone had a keg and do it again. anything less he just regens back to full health. between keg spawns.

and No there is NO chest to exploit when doing this. Just a potential green drop, and a Skill cap.

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Yes, the runners highlighted a way to get good rewards with minimum effort, and frankly I don't mind the keg-nerf in the slightest - didn't use them myself, so maybe that's why.

The issue (I feel) is more that the response didn't deal with the issue. Runners would do the dungeon by avoiding all combat up to Magmus, and then keg-spamming/rezing/repeat until everything was dead. The keg-nerf dealt with the keg-spamming quite effectively and I applaud it - it was a no-skill/no-brain effect and we're better off without it.

But the run down there is still every bit as straightforwards as it always was. Sure, you have to chuff a bunch of skelks by the doors, but really that's nothing. You still don't have to deviate off the path, you still don't have to deal with any bosses - nothing. Instead of making the run to Magmus more challenging, which would have dealt with the 'running' issue, they instead buffed Magmus himself to ungodly levels.

Magmus himself was *never* the problem with the HoS running. Getting to him and using Bludger to kill him and his minions was the problem. I can't claim to know Magmus' stats, but I'd say around 1200 HP, 120AL, +60 vs Elemental seemed about right before the buff. Sounds like a reasonably solid boss to me. But now.... now.... now he's some kind of deity-level uber-Ooze with *at least* 10,000 HP (probably more, I completely lose track against him now). Insane.

Is he still killable? Yes, eventually, and with luck, and with more effort than I had to put into the Lich and Shiro (no relation) combined. Good grief, I took the Great Destroyer without breaking stride but this squidgy little play-doh reject now makes ole' GD look like a Juvenile Termite!

As I've said before, I'm not against the idea of a strong challenge, but challenges need rewards, and the way it stands this one just isn't worth it.

Peace.