Why do people hate Healing Breeze?
Abedeus
Because focused, instant healing > slow, easly removable and expensive healing. Look at Orison of Health. 60 healing at 12 healing prayers + 35 from Divine Bonus. It's 95 for 5 energy. Cast it twice and you get 190 health in 5 seconds for same price. And combined with Healer's Boon, it's 250 health. Nice, eh? You would need to cast Healing Breeze at least twice, and even then it won't heal you as fast as two Orisons. Or cast a single Orison for 125 healing (with Healer's Boon), 5 energy and 1/2 second for that healing. You still think Healing Breeze is good?
Winterclaw
In pvp it's almost worthless as a skill. In PvE unless you are a 55/105, there are better skills for your limited bar bar space.
Think of it like this, at 8 regen the person you healed can only take 16 damage per second before he's back where he began at. You've bought yourself little to no time to get his HP up to a safe level (not topped off). That means if a warrior is wailing on the person you've healed, you've just wasted 10 energy, and you have to heal the person again beacuse he's still vulnerable to a spike. So if you are fighting a non-proph boss or the mob is doing any sort of spike damage, he's going to get 15DP because you used the wrong skill. To put it another way, in the middle of a fight the person you are healing probably needs that heal now not in 10 seconds.
So to make everyone's life better don't waste it on your skill bar. There's almost always another better way to do it than HB.
EDIT: the only way I can see HB ever having any use is if Anet either gives it a faster healing time (meaning 30-40 HP per sec instead of 8 regen) or to add a double or triple bonus from divine favor and reduce it's regen a little.
Think of it like this, at 8 regen the person you healed can only take 16 damage per second before he's back where he began at. You've bought yourself little to no time to get his HP up to a safe level (not topped off). That means if a warrior is wailing on the person you've healed, you've just wasted 10 energy, and you have to heal the person again beacuse he's still vulnerable to a spike. So if you are fighting a non-proph boss or the mob is doing any sort of spike damage, he's going to get 15DP because you used the wrong skill. To put it another way, in the middle of a fight the person you are healing probably needs that heal now not in 10 seconds.
So to make everyone's life better don't waste it on your skill bar. There's almost always another better way to do it than HB.
EDIT: the only way I can see HB ever having any use is if Anet either gives it a faster healing time (meaning 30-40 HP per sec instead of 8 regen) or to add a double or triple bonus from divine favor and reduce it's regen a little.
yesitsrob
I did pretty much state it was bad to be fair. And did kind of make it clear I wasn't 100% sure on it's efficiency - you generally aren't when you have little experience using the skill, for obvious reasons :\
Ok ok ok... would I be right in assuming it's the most efficient self heal on a non-monk primary
? (I know.. I'm kinda looking for something ... ) - largely due to lack of alternatives.
But seriously, it's a Healing Prayers Skill... Healing Line for the most of it isn't solid.
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Ok ok ok... would I be right in assuming it's the most efficient self heal on a non-monk primary
? (I know.. I'm kinda looking for something ... ) - largely due to lack of alternatives.But seriously, it's a Healing Prayers Skill... Healing Line for the most of it isn't solid.
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Healing Breeze costs 10 energy, gives ~8 regen for 10 seconds which translates to 80 hp... ...
Well, actually it's 12 seconds, because you use it with enchant mod. second 1 pip = 2hp per second, so at 11 spec it actually heals for 192 + DF. SO yeah I'm kinda miles off with comparing it to Gift, but it's not as horrible as 80 either.
Age, Mending Touch doesn't get the Divine Favor bonuses on non monks either, doesn't make it bad on a non-monk. Why did I respond to that?
jimmyboveto
Ya, healing breeze is mediocre at best. 20 health per second is meh for 10 energy. If you want something better to counter degen, play a rit and take spirit light weapon. 32 health per second(with conditional damage) is equivalent to 16 health regeneration(keep in mind spirit light doesn't have the cap at 10 when not suffering from degen either), and it only costs 5 energy, and its not an enchantment to boot. However, the only bad thing is that it takes up the elite slot.
Age
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Ok ok ok... would I be right in assuming it's the most efficient self heal on a non-monk primary
? (I know.. I'm kinda looking for something ... ) - largely due to lack of alternatives.But seriously, it's a Healing Prayers Skill... Healing Line for the most of it isn't solid.
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Well, actually it's 12 seconds, because you use it with enchant mod. second 1 pip = 2hp per second, so at 11 spec it actually heals for 192 + DF. SO yeah I'm kinda miles off with comparing it to Gift, but it's not as horrible as 80 either.
Age, Mending Touch doesn't get the Divine Favor bonuses on non monks either, doesn't make it bad on a non-monk. Why did I respond to that?
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Valid points. I can't see any other way of making HB worthwhile becuase I believe 5 energy would be too lenient. How about making it identical to Resftul Breeze (10 pips, duration is scaled) but it does not end upon attacking or using a skill? It would therefore read:|
Age, Mending Touch doesn't get the Divine Favor bonuses on non monks either, doesn't make it bad on a non-monk. Why did I respond to that?
Where did I say mending touch I never said that it would be healing touch?
combatchuck
In most cases, regen is bad. If you're using it to power through degen, you're better off removing the degen. I used to run HB when I was a bar-watcher, only making sure the bars were full and ignoring hexes and conditions. When I started using protection, I found out how much easier it is to just remove the pressure. Signet of Devotion and Mend Condition will outheal HB any day. Remove Hex has been majorly buffed, enough so to make it my main hex remover over Smite or Inspired. Try this bar some time, and you'll see how inefficient it is to try to power through degen:
Prot 16 (12 + 3 + 1) Healing 9 (8 + minor rune) Divine 10 (9 + minor rune) [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Mend Condition[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill] For hex/condition heavy areas, try this one: Prot 14 (10 + 3 + 1) Healing 9 (8 + minor rune) Divine 13 (12 + minor rune) [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Blessed Light[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Mend Condition[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill] (I bet this bar looks really familiar to PvPers out there. There's a good reason for that.) Notice that there are only 2 enchantments there, and one is spammable. Energy might be a concern with the BLight variant, but it was never really a problem for me. Edit: These skill descriptions are inaccurate. Zealous Benediction only returns 7 energy if the condition is met, and Remove Hex has a casting time of 1 second, recharge of 8.
drupal
A 10e regeneration skill is fail, mainly if people say it's nice against degeneration.
Coloneh
well, except mystic regen. but that lasts 20 seconds and can easily have more regen than the cap allows.
moriz
at 8 regen, it can negate 16dps. or in other words, a 11 specced shielding hands can prevent a lot more, for half the amount of energy and 1/4 cast.
Sir Pandra Pierva
lol
I have used HB many times but It's not great but it's a cast and forget spell on leeroy wammos like my guild leader.
crazy diamond
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
lol
I have used HB many times but It's not great but it's a cast and forget spell on leeroy wammos like my guild leader. Does he ever blame you for his failures?
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
lol
I have used HB many times but It's not great but it's a cast and forget spell on leeroy wammos like my guild leader. even in this context shielding hands or SoA are better. fail
Darkpower Alchemist
HB had its moment in the sun a very long time ago. That sun has set.
Winterclaw
You mean in presearing?
Tyla
healing breeze is only good for lower level pve or 55hp/105 hp monks,if youve not got nightfall...
if you own nf,mystic regen>>>>>healing breeze out loud
Div
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
lol
I have used HB many times but It's not great but it's a cast and forget spell on leeroy wammos like my guild leader. I just use mending on them. It's the true cast and forget spell.
makosi
I agree that it's not that great with the exception of some obscure builds (more often than not, farming).
If you could impove it somehow, what would you do? Would 1/4s casting time make it more usable? I don't know.
Age
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
healing breeze is only good for lower level pve or 55hp/105 hp monks,if youve not got nightfall...
if you own nf,mystic regen>>>>>healing breeze out loud Not necessarily not if you want to play a 55 or 105 as a Mo/Mes or Mo/W and Mo/D is out of the question in the UW.
Div
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Originally Posted by makosi
Would 1/4s casting time make it more usable? I don't know.
No, when skills become 1/4 second and improve, it's usually because:
1) makes it pretty much impossible to interrupt 2) serves as a fast response to protect a target from foreseeable massive damage 3) serves as a fast response to heal up the target after taking massive damage HB doesn't serve as a viable prot for future damage (ps, sb, sh), and can't quickly heal up targets that took a lot of damage (infuse), and who's really going to care about interrupting HB anyways?
Ensign
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Originally Posted by makosi
If you could impove it somehow, what would you do?
I'd start with a 15 second duration.
makosi
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
1) makes it pretty much impossible to interrupt 2) serves as a fast response to protect a target from foreseeable massive damage 3) serves as a fast response to heal up the target after taking massive damage HB doesn't serve as a viable prot for future damage (ps, sb, sh), and can't quickly heal up targets that took a lot of damage (infuse), and who's really going to care about interrupting HB anyways? |
For 5...11 seconds, target ally has +10 Health regeneration.
Whatd'ya think? It probably wouldn't see more usage in high-end GvG except perhaps on a blind-bot because it wouldn't require such a high investment in Healing Prayers. I feel it is somewhat reduntant and after 2 1/2 years deserves some love. I suppose the same can be said for many skills, though.
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Originally Posted by Ensign
I'd start with a 15 second duration.
It's a possiblity. However, it might be too 'passive' that way. People QQ about passive skills because they allegedly take no skill to use. With a +20% longer Enchantments weapon the duration is extended to 18 seconds which would be 360 total health gained with 9 pips - excluding Divine Favor.
arcady
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Originally Posted by olly123
um have you ever herd of [skill]Healing Touch[/skill] its 5 energy 3/4 cast time and heals for about 80 DF and about 60 normal HP it is also 5 sec recharge and use to be my main self heal for when i ran protect
That one looks great until you get to the word 'touch'. The last place I want to be in a GW fight is standing inside the warrior's underwear when that Destroyer is raining down chaos on him. That trick works in WoW - where I run my priest at the tank to shake aggro, but in GW, I run away to shake aggro, I don't reach out and shake hands with it.
 Healing Breeze is great in Pre-Searing, but there's not much point to keeping it in the skillbar after that. As soon as my prophesies monk got to post, I made a trip to my guild hall's skill trainer and put in a prot build. But even if I was playing through Proph without all those unlocks, I'd have dropped it for more direct heals and any prots I could get by that stage.
Age
It is not so bad around post Ascalon though as it would be nice if you got heal other in post.
I would say that changing it would be nice say 5e 3/4 cast and 4 recharge and gives you depending on attribute pips of regen and a devine favour bonus.
olly123
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Originally Posted by arcady
That one looks great until you get to the word 'touch'. The last place I want to be in a GW fight is standing inside the warrior's underwear when that Destroyer is raining down chaos on him. That trick works in WoW - where I run my priest at the tank to shake aggro, but in GW, I run away to shake aggro, I don't reach out and shake hands with it.
it wasn't a replacement full the full team heal just a self heal some one said about it being the best self heal so i pointed out touch, but no never sure in on a fount line char, a back line ele or necro yes but not a tank or sin :P
LazyLink
ffs sake ill do the math, with 16 healing prayers and 12 divine favor healing breeze heals for 218 health after 10 seconds (this includes the divine favor bonus). Two Orison of healing heals for 222 in 3 seconds. Therefore orison heals for more and in less time.
Take those statistics along with other arguments people have said and youll conclude that not only are many skills better than healing breeze but even orison of sh*tting is better.
farmpig
I too agree that 2 orisons are better than 1 healing breeze
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Because focused, instant healing > slow, easly removable and expensive healing. Look at Orison of Health. 60 healing at 12 healing prayers + 35 from Divine Bonus. It's 95 for 5 energy. Cast it twice and you get 190 health in 5 seconds for same price. And combined with Healer's Boon, it's 250 health. Nice, eh? You would need to cast Healing Breeze at least twice, and even then it won't heal you as fast as two Orisons. Or cast a single Orison for 125 healing (with Healer's Boon), 5 energy and 1/2 second for that healing. You still think Healing Breeze is good?
I already did the math, using Healer's Boon, without your mistake (I included both aftercast and recharge). No matter how you will look at it, in 10 seconds 4x Orison of Healing can give twice as much health as Healing Breeze, also in 10 seconds.
siemptala
I have found HB to be a great way to counter burning. The only time terrorweb dryders, in tombs, are a problem is when they are in a large group. This occurs without dreamriders, so shatter enchant isn't a problem. Also, condition removers do little here, as with mark of rodgort, the burning is quickly reapplied. (Yes, I know this post is jumbled, sorry)
Coloneh
if they have mark, then use hex removal or heal through it. no one is going to get spiked to death by degen. leave them degening for awhile until you can effectively cast a heal.
Lord Natural
Monk party heals make their health regeneration skills obsolete, except as a /mo self-heal in solo situations. I mean if you're doing some running in PvE, you don't want to be stopping to heal until you've broken agro. That's one obvious benefit of a healing-over-time skill. But in a full party scenario, there's really no reason to be spamming out junk like HB when LoD accomplishes the same thing a hundred times more efficiently.
Masseur
HB is always in my bar. Been playing for over 2 years and always get complements and people adding to friends when I Monk. I know when to use and not to use it in favor of actual "now" heals. There are far worse skills to bash like infuse health (lemme drop half my health and hope I don't get hit) or healing touch (lemme take some time to run over there and heal you).
TheLichMonky
Breeze is a horrible skill. Takes to long to do what you need..
yum
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Originally Posted by Masseur
HB is always in my bar. Been playing for over 2 years and always get complements and people adding to friends when I Monk. I know when to use and not to use it in favor of actual "now" heals. There are far worse skills to bash like infuse health (lemme drop half my health and hope I don't get hit) or healing touch (lemme take some time to run over there and heal you).
oh really?
Grammar
Healing Breeze is indeed flat out terrible.
There are simply zero situations where I can see ever wanting to use Healing Breeze over the vast multitude of superior alternatives at my disposal (save for in pre-searing, of course, where you don't have much else anyway). Same can be said for Words of Comfort, which is just a terrible, terrible skill. It boggles my mind why anyone would ever cast Words of Comfort on someone with a condition instead of Mend Condition or Dismiss Condition. And it boggles my mind why anyone would ever cast Words of Comfort on someone without a condition instead of Dwayna's Kiss, RoF, LoD, hell even the almost-just-as-crappy Orison beats it! Basically, this skill's existence completely boggles my mind. Sorry to go off topic there, but I think I hate Words of Comfort even more than Healing Breeze and Orison.
Chicken Ftw
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Originally Posted by Masseur
HB is always in my bar. Been playing for over 2 years and always get complements and people adding to friends when I Monk. I know when to use and not to use it in favor of actual "now" heals. There are far worse skills to bash like infuse health (lemme drop half my health and hope I don't get hit) or healing touch (lemme take some time to run over there and heal you).
So wait. People think Infuse is bad and Breeze is good now? Wow.
audioaxes
healing breeze is not "that" bad
in pve its a pretty good skill for a healer monk to stack on whoever is tanking the mob damage in pvp its a much more situational skill that id rarely recommend as there much more useful stuff for a healer to bring but i do think its decent active mitigation that i would choose before healing hands and healing seed on a holding ha team with extra healers (i remember a bit back when a healing hands necro was standard on a ha bloodspike team which i always thought was silly) a spammable +19 health/sec is nothing to neglect when teams are focusing on your ghost
Amadei
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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
So wait. People think Infuse is bad and Breeze is good now? Wow.
Was good for a laugh in the early morning
 . Also educational. Breeze good, Infuse bad. Okay.
Utaku
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Originally Posted by Masseur
There are far worse skills to bash like infuse health (lemme drop half my health and hope I don't get hit) or healing touch (lemme take some time to run over there and heal you).
Best Monk joke ever
Perfected Shadow
I remember when Mhenlo would cast HB and then decide it's not doing enough so he hits another spell. Then the party wipes cause his energy goes dry after repeating the HB fail for every party member. Not enough bang for the buck so to speak.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Masseur
HB is always in my bar. Been playing for over 2 years and always get complements and people adding to friends when I Monk. I know when to use and not to use it in favor of actual "now" heals. There are far worse skills to bash like infuse health (lemme drop half my health and hope I don't get hit) or healing touch (lemme take some time to run over there and heal you).
My sarcasm detector's in the repair shop... please tell me your joking?
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