Why do some of you keep playing?

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Because its fun to play and I like it.

I dont get all you people that constantly bit*h and moan, the game is for fun, if you dont like it, LEAVE!

ainkami

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gigashadow
I'm still playing because despite its flaws, there isn't anything better out yet (e.g. WAR and AoC). GW is a bit long in the tooth now, but there is still some fun to be had.
Kind of true. There is definitely a shift in the PC game space ever since the success of Everquest and WoW. A lot less companies making good rpgs that actually tell a story. More and more companies just follow the cookie cutter trend and make MMORPGs that involve exp grind or gear grind. => Boring games.

zamial

zamial

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2006

Usa

TKC

N/

I do sometimes list improvement ideas but seldom complain. If I can't figure out how it is done and none of my guildies can either, Ill wait till someone does. I really like gw alot and will play it for a long time to come. I have however started to leave my local and trade channels off because I seldom need to interact with players outside my alliance and it seems that they are the people that caused me the most grief/irritation.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

frodo7, if you look at most mmo forums, maybe all, you will find hordes of complaint threads. The forums do not really reflect the game experience.

I think that if you only concentrate on the negative (hey, this glass is only 3/4 full) then you will miss the positive (which is that you have plenty to drink).

Gattocheese

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

New Mexico

GWEN

I have put down GW a lil bit. I do get on occasionally and enjoy playing with friends.

IMO, i feel GW is a part of me. Sounds lame, but all the time i spent, all the enjoyment i had, the cool characters i created all came from me. Its to hard for me to let it go. I still learch around these forums because i feel i might see something new that might spark an interest to play GW alot again. This forum basically gets all the news and gossip before it ever comes public on the game or the actual homepage of GW.

I think it was a great time for them to start developing GW2. Playing through the same campaigns over and over is really hard for me to do. Beating the campaign once is really enough for me. But what i really like about GW is the linear story. Reskinning alot of things like weapons and armor in GWEN kinda left me unmotivated, no goal to shoot for. I am not a title guy. I enjoy gaining levels, getting leet looking armor, cool looking weapons, playing with friends and thats about it.

I am actually waiting for the next big MMO to come along to sweep me off my feet and give me something new to do.

magicmatt159

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

new york

Mo/

i really agree wid you on this anet is really lacking imho they havent made any real good updates lately and they should have worked more on gwen instead of throwing a crap campaign together just to hold peopel over untill guild wars 2 wich will probly be as bad as gwen

Karyuu

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

GWEN isn't a campaign

Roo Ella

Roo Ella

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Australia

Oz

E/R

I still play the game for the fun and the way I play
If I wana farm for Halloween stuff I do
Wana go help out a friend I do
If something is good on TV i turn off GW and I go watch it.
I'm Not into hard core lvl points and show offy Armour and weapons and stuff like that
It's just a game and i play it for fun and it's free after purchase good
when your on a limited income.

Batou of Nine

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

I am definitly not one of them complainer thread mongers...

But, here is why i keep playing::

- GW is still the most creative MMO(-like) game out there
- GW has STILL has some of the most gourgoes graphics in gaming.
- GW has an incredibly extensive amount of playable combinations via the massive amount of available skills
- GW is incredibly easy to pick up and put down, attractive to casual players
- GW rewards and incentives are not imbalanced for PvP or PvE, therefore casual players have no need to worry of being "Pwnt" all the time
- Last but not least, my GW friends. I have been with the same guild for over 2 years now, and have become pretty good friends with so many. My GW community (my guild) is a huge part of why i enjoy this game.

Overall, GW is in fact one of the MOST stable online games i have ever played. Despite constant nerfs/buffs/re-balances/updates and additional chapters, the game core has remained stable for over 2 years now. Yes, the game creators have changed what most of us veteran players ones knew, but even then, we must realize how solid this game has been for us all this time...

I still love to play GW, its simply enjoyable.
cheers!

??Ripskin

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

Because about 3% of the overall population complain about the game.

If you notice, almost all of the whiners are the same people.

o m g pizowned

Site Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2006

- people
- items

thats about it...i've done everything else but i enjoy playing on occasion

Dark-NighT

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

Because i love the game and dont care about all the negative comments that are posted on this forum when a new feature is live.

I regard gw as an solo mmo, really the community for the most part is kinda rude, pugging has been dead ever since heroes made their way in and many people dont have anything else to do than just to complain about a new update.

Still i love it, i just hit the 2000 hour mark and im still going strong, and for one thing im not obsessed with getting all the titles because in the end its just a thickbox you can use to enable your o so awesome title to be displayed to everyone.

Ah well i think ill just load up the game and have another round at killing/running/drinking/laughing at silly armor combinations and so on.

Miss Puddles

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

Me/

i still play because i enjoy it. sounds simple enough, yes?

yeah sometimes it feels repetitive but after 2 1/2 years, what game isn't? there is always something to do, or someone that needs help doing something else. i consider my guildies good friends, and i enjoy playing and "hanging out" so to speak, with them. i love buying a new set of armor. i like working towards getting different titles. i love my epeen- er hall of monuments :P and because i've enjoyed the game so much thus far, i'm looking forward to gw2.

does that answer the question?

Mohnzh

Mohnzh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Might find me roaming around doing missions in hard mode...or maybe I'm lost in the Underworld...

[KCOR]

Mo/

Wow, what I do not hear are the complainers explaining why they still play the game. There were a couple of people saying "yeah, the game has flaws and they should be pointed out", but there is a big difference between the "grinding suxx0rz" thread and the thread that helps the devs discover potential imbalances and exploits. I think the complainers are few and far between, but as soon as they see a thread that that they agree with they come out en masse. I believe the majority of people are sensible and do things they enjoy doing...which means they don't have much to complain about and might not have much to say in general. This means forums get dominated by negative comments. But 50 negative comments out of thousands of gwg users hardly constitutes a large number. Most of us have fun =D

MoldyRiceFrenzy

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

i play because dlup sux and since ive invested so much time into downloads and stuff i cant really just start a new game or else... many more hours... + the fact i dont change games very often. d2 for6 years, gw since betas until present.

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohnzh
Wow, what I do not hear are the complainers explaining why they still play the game.
That's because they're busy playing the game

cthulhu reborn

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

Well, since some of the biggest moaners have admitted they no longer play the game I must conclude that bitching on forums is an stand alone activity aswell in some cases. Some people just like to b*tch whether they play the game or not...

Hyper.nl

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

E/

I keep playing because I love the world that ArenaNet created with Guild Wars and its expansion packs. Another thing I like is to develop my character by reching titles and other achievements, although this can be hard or boring/repetitive sometimes. But after playing for more than 2000 hours there is still a lot to do. I'm a late starter, my main character just got it's first birthday present. I still have to conquer high-end area's like FoW, Underworld, Factions elite missions and the Domain of Anguish.

But I also may take a break, there are more good games out there, and my Unreal server needs attention as well.

SpotJorge

SpotJorge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Temple Of Love

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
Why would you come to a board of a game you no longer play?
problably because like he stoped playing GW he dont have better thing to do then post on forum threads

i play since gw come out and im rdy for some more years with or without gw2

Sakura Az

Sakura Az

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

The frozen north

Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage]

A/

I play cause i like the game. just working on capping skills, getting titles, generaly hanging out and talking to the friends i've made in game.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by frodo7
I had a great time playing GW for a little over a year, and then the grind and the attitude of the anet team finally told me it was time to leave the game, which I did (Im soo much more happy too). All that I see on these forums when I come back for a peek are complaint threads. If you hate the game now or anet then just stop playing. If you love the game then keep playing. Some of you need to save your bloodpressure and just give it up like I did. No online fee is worth dealing with anets new grind fest or their lack of respect for the players.
Any and all grind in GWs is completely optional, you are not forced to do it at all. Understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for why im still playing the game... ughh because I enjoy it and I dont fall under that rediculious impression that I need to have all my pve only skills maxed out and then start winging.

I play the game how I want, and I dont grind for anything unless I choose to. If someone tries to pressure me into increasing ranks or using skills I dont want to, I tell them !@## off!

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Any and all grind in GWs is completely optional, you are not forced to do it at all. Understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for why im still playing the game... ughh because I enjoy it and I dont fall under that rediculious impression that I need to have all my pve only skills maxed out and then start winging.

I play the game how I want, and I dont grind for anything unless I choose to. If someone tries to pressure me into increasing ranks or using skills I dont want to, I tell them !@## off!
Optional yes. But I seem to remember a time when armour crafters didn't require xxx faction to even browse their wares. And a time when no matter how many hours you played your lvl 20 character was just as powerful as everyone elses.
The game has definitely leaned towards time sinks and added incentives to entice players into partaking in time sink based gameplay. The game, she has a changed.

Trav The Ripper

Trav The Ripper

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by frodo7
No online fee is worth dealing with anets new grind fest or their lack of respect for the players.
Yea it is, i came from playing EQ2 and WoW. Ill admit those games are far superior than our little GW. But at some point i got fed up with taking money from my pay check. Paying for WoW a month is like 2 hours of work, that i would like to keep.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

I play because I'm not done yet, there's always better goodies, nice titles and the like, and lots of areas are fun to visit more thern once, like the GW:EN dungeons, TOPK, urgoz, hard mode factions slugfests etce etc.

And then there's PvP, doesn't bore really fast either.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Optional yes. But I seem to remember a time when armour crafters didn't require xxx faction to even browse their wares. And a time when no matter how many hours you played your lvl 20 character was just as powerful as everyone elses.
The game has definitely leaned towards time sinks and added incentives to entice players into partaking in time sink based gameplay. The game, she has a changed.
Your absolutely right. But since rank 5 takes very little effort to get and just requires playing the storyline once, then thats not a huge issue. But again, any other grind in GWs is optional.

People who complain about grind tend to put some unworthy, or unfounded importance on what your grinding for.

Whether it be exploration, opening chests, iding items, HM or NM, increasing title ranks or playing mini games in GWEN to get pve only skills.

If you compare an MMO to an FPS or an RPG. You might have grinding aspects to an FPS and an RPG, but those are single player games and people dont complain. The driving force in an MMO is always to be more powerfull then the guy next to you, and that mentality is what is driving this "anti-grind" protest.

People just want to be better or more powerfull then Joe Blogg. But in reality, they dont need to be. Its all an ego trip and wanting to be better then everyone else, or being jealous if Joe Blogg is stronger then you.

Anet loves to try and say that GWs is a skill based game and its not about being better then the next guy like in WoW. But in reality, its exactly the same. People just dont want to feel like their disadvantaged, even if it doesnt matter.

People also seem to be under some impression that PlayerA is better at grinding then PlayerB. Like PlayerA has some hidden magical ability to make points easier. Which is just nonsense. We all have the same edge in GWs. We can all take bounties and re-do the same quests and dungeons.

PlayerA has no more ability to make points any easier then PlayerB. Its just a question of whether you both want to put in the same effort, time and importance into it.

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

People only b#tch and moan about stuff they care about.

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Optional yes. But I seem to remember a time when armour crafters didn't require xxx faction to even browse their wares. And a time when no matter how many hours you played your lvl 20 character was just as powerful as everyone elses.
The game has definitely leaned towards time sinks and added incentives to entice players into partaking in time sink based gameplay. The game, she has a changed.
No, the game hasn't changed...

And its cosmetic grind you guys are whining about...

My ranger finally finished GW:EN last night and he's the first of my 6 characters to finish all four parts of the game, yet he is still resplendant in his Tyrian Armour he got in Wajjun Bazaar 6 hours after his birth, the day before Factions went live on the prerelease day... Thats 18 months in the same armour

Ok, he wants that new Norn armour, but he's not bothered enough to go and grind for it

*Stops talking through his characters now*

Ok, my point is, it IS optional, mainly due tot he fact that your characters are already lvl 20, should already have max armour and weapons and what they have is enough to beat GW:EN

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Because I still enjoy getting together with friends to do something like complete a dungeon. The grind doesn't bother me - I choose not to do it. I wasn an Asuran bow, and Norn armour, for my Ranger, but it's not like I'm going to go grind the points for them. I'll get them when I get them.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
No, the game hasn't changed...

And its cosmetic grind you guys are whining about...

My ranger finally finished GW:EN last night and he's the first of my 6 characters to finish all four parts of the game, yet he is still resplendant in his Tyrian Armour he got in Wajjun Bazaar 6 hours after his birth, the day before Factions went live on the prerelease day... Thats 18 months in the same armour

Ok, he wants that new Norn armour, but he's not bothered enough to go and grind for it

*Stops talking through his characters now*

Ok, my point is, it IS optional, mainly due tot he fact that your characters are already lvl 20, should already have max armour and weapons and what they have is enough to beat GW:EN
Well, heck if that's the philosophy. Every side quest could be made into a kill 1000 Charr quest, because those are all optional and not necessary in completing the story, therefore nobody would have a right to complain?
The complaint is about the addition of really shallow time sinks accessing types of content previously unattached to time sinks. The content in EotN is no more challenging than anything I've witnessed so far in Guild Wars. I thought it pretty weak that much of EotN's content was exclusively accesed through kill 10,000 easy mobs.
The only content I thought that was decent was the crown, because it involved figuring out how to beat the Norn Arena with my mesmer.

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Well, heck if that's the philosophy. Every side quest could be made into a kill 1000 Charr quest, because those are all optional and not necessary in completing the story, therefore nobody would have a right to complain?
The complaint is about the addition of really shallow time sinks accessing types of content previously unattached to time sinks.
Yes and as I summed up in my statement, its not necessary and only for those that actually want to do it on top of not actually being very hard to do...

Hell, I did side quests on said ranger and just as I did over in nightfall, i made sure I found all the Norn for the reputation, ok, a lil out of my way sometimes, but i wouldn't call it grind

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
The complaint is about the addition of really shallow time sinks accessing types of content previously unattached to time sinks. The content in EotN is no more challenging than anything I've witnessed so far in Guild Wars. I thought it pretty weak that much of EotN's content was exclusively accesed through kill 10,000 easy mobs.
So your issue is needing rank 5 for armor, weapons and consumables?

As I keep saying in so many threads, including this one; you can get rank 5 on all races or close, by just doing the quests and dungeons.

You cant argue against me because I did it. If you've completed GWEN and your not even on rank 4 on them all, then you must have missed something!

Not to mention drawf points are stupidly easy to make due to the snowman dungeon! So you can alteast get one armor set very easily!

I admittadly didnt get exactly to rank 5 on them all, but it only took 2 or 3 bounty runs in the relivant territories to boost me up a bit. Something you can do while exploring the new instances!!!

That really is not a huge amount of time or effort which Anet is asking of you. These are requirements which can be achieved by just playing all quests and dungeons. I assume you like doing quests and dungeons and missions, otherwise why are you playing PvE?

Its no different to waiting until you finished factions or nightfall before you can get end-game armor. Just complete the game, earn all the points you can, boost your ranks a tiny bit with bounty hunting and your sorted.

If its that hard, how did I manage to get Norn and Vanguard elemental armor in just 2 weeks of playing? I also had to earn the gold from scratch for both sets!

Any ranks over 5 are completely optional. You could also argue that even getting rank 5 is optional considering you presumably enter GWEN with max armor anyway and max weapons.

Why is there a desperate rush to get new armor from GWEN when you must alteast have one max armor set and a max weapon already? Your at no disadvantage with needing to wait a bit longer to get new armor!

This really is just about "right that guy has Norn armor, thats not fair, I want it now", or "That guy has rank 7 and I want my skills to be that powerfull too, thats not fair"...

...yet none of it is critical to anything.

I agree adding this new requirement into GWEN is daft, when we have needed no title requirements for armor in the past (unless you count luxon or kuzack sides - something I dont like because I dont like faction earning, but I dont complain).

But those ranks can be met by just playing the game. What if they had put the armor at the end of the game? Would you have complained you need to kill the end boss each time and had to play the storyline?

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberjanet
People only b#tch and moan about stuff they care about.
QFT.

Indirectly, a lot of people on these boards seem fairly annoyed at me because I happen to really like Guild Wars.... though the magnitude of that tends to fluctuate.
Addition of Nightfall = Up
Addition of Hard Mode = Down
Addition of Eye of the North (Jora, Livia & Hayda) = Up
Most of the rest of Eye of the North = Down
Assassin Buffs = Up
New Report System = Down

On the whole though... I'm still nowhere near quitting... personally...
... Even if I do play it like a single-player game most of the time.

HuntMaster Avatar

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Around

Pillar's of Earth [ROCK]

W/

I still play sometimes, maybe one week a month if that. i like the game but i am really sick of the people.
i keep playing because i beat ff12 completely and am waiting for my tax returns for my new consoles.
ps3,xbox360= bye GW. (i wont touch nintendo, Yuk!)

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar
I still play sometimes, maybe one week a month if that. i like the game but i am really sick of the people.
i keep playing because i beat ff12 completely and am waiting for my tax returns for my new consoles.
ps3,xbox360= bye GW. (i wont touch nintendo, Yuk!)
S*nyphile. -_-;

*Has two Microsoft pieces, two Nintendo, and his ancient collection of the life of Sega*


Get back into Guild Wars, gain a backbone and keep looking for those few decent folks amongst all the dross!

.... And don't buy that PS3. S*ny products are designed to break, and designed to twist the gaming industry around their own filthy fingers.

eeks

eeks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, Australia

Lubricated Volcano Love [Club]

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Any and all grind in GWs is completely optional, you are not forced to do it at all. Understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excluding Sunspear points, and Kurzick/Luxon faction of course.

I still play 'cause I enjoy chatting to my friends on Guild Wars, and getting armor for my characters. I guess there's been not much else to it since I started playing, yet I've been having fun nonethless.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by eeks
Excluding Sunspear points,
One run through Marga Coast with bounties up. Et voila!

Quote:
and Kurzick/Luxon faction of course.
Even without the new Kurzick / Luxon blessing system for getting extra faction.... it is just a matter of doing most of the quests. Note: MOST... not all. Do the quests... get the faction points.... continue with main quest. No grind needed.
With the blessings too, you can do it with just the first set of quests you get from House Zu Heltzer or Cavalon. Easy as pie.

Quote:
I still play 'cause I enjoy chatting to my friends on Guild Wars, and getting armor for my characters. I guess there's been not much else to it since I started playing, yet I've been having fun nonethless.
Don't bother with titles?
Spend your time chatting in-game? .... Strange...
To each their own I suppose.

SpotJorge

SpotJorge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Temple Of Love

R/E

Lots of grinding for collect the points to get the armors ... before factions and nighfall come out many players have grind to achive objectives ... best example is FoW armor and for get it its not a question of points that you easy can get in some hours of play ... for it the grind was of several months fighting for each ecto or shard and farming to get the money for them ... after you got them it was not enough you need to get a party to help you do the quests needed to armor crafter ... you did that because you want it you can say ... OK so i can say the same ... want the armor? fight for it ... gw is not a game to be played in few days many of the players you see here have more then 3k hours in game and only now are achiving the max stats of game

OlMurraniKasale

OlMurraniKasale

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Seattle

Zaishen Order

Rt/

I have to amend my previous post with one additional reason I will continue to play GW for quite a while. I just got a new PC; my old one was at least four years old. I have NEVER seen GW like this before. I will have to do all the stuff over just so I can see what I missed. I can see the individual movements of the monsters, the real spell effects and the landscape/environment amazes me. Imagine going from South park v2.0 to Transformers the movie in the push of the on button.

Karyuu

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
As I keep saying in so many threads, including this one; you can get rank 5 on all races or close, by just doing the quests and dungeons.

You cant argue against me because I did it. If you've completed GWEN and your not even on rank 4 on them all, then you must have missed something!
Hey, really glad to see another player post this! :) Seriously, armor in GWEN is not difficult to get. If your only goal is achieving rank 5 and you have tunnel vision and you wipe out the NPCs in a zone over and over and over just for this, you are imposing a grind on yourself. But if you explore on the side, try going after chests, take side-quests in towns and cities, maybe go so far as to help others with quests you've already done (and get a social benefit from it!) you'll get rank 5 in no time. I too have done this, and I don't understand people who state that most players will never be able to unlock this content.

Achilles Antony

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Hangar 18

When I start complaining about the game and finding things annoying or that I'm starting to hate the game, I simply take a break, like I am now. Some breaks I've taken in the past have been 1-2 weeks, and I've even taken one that lasted 4 months. Then I come back and feel refreshed and don't complain about it anymore because I'm actually having fun. That's probably why I've been able to play this game since release and I continue playing... plus, I don't take this game as seriously as some people seem to...