90% of the people on my friend list from first 2 campaign have already left the game. Some of them tried to come back. But didn't stay long..now they're gone forever. That applies to all the players in game. Best example is Soul Wedding and also those guys from war machine. They came back for maybe a month. But then never see them again.
I think the best explanation is that, life changes not only game changes. People graduate, people go to college, people got new bf/gf, People got babies, People got permanent parent spike, people got new jobs, people got new games, ... etc
I still play gw everyday but definitely as long as early this year. I got time to squeeze in some time for bf2142. But I can tell you that gw is still my no.1 game. It's just that gw is player based. No friends = no fun. That's exactly what happen in Diablo II.
Are a large number of players retiring?
ksalanpang
Saphrium
I have been hanging out in northern and southern shiverpeaks outposts, it is one of my favorite past time while I am doing something else.
Malice Black
My friends list is full, most of them stopped logging in when Factions was released..I keep them on their to dream about 2005 <3
Yes, sad I know, but I don't care :P
Yes, sad I know, but I don't care :P
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My friends list is full, most of them stopped logging in when Factions was released..I keep them on their to dream about 2005 <3
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Star Gazer
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My friends list is full, most of them stopped logging in when Factions was released
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Mordakai
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Complaints you see are just because people DO care about this game, and WANT it to live up to its full ability.
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KamikazeChicken
My alliance has gone from 10 guilds with 80-100 members each down to 7 (the other divisions have been emptied) with 30-80 each. We took a large hit to our activity, and I can't say we get nearly as many recruits as we were. I can easily say the biggest hit was to our PvP divisions, but that can be interpreted in many ways, most not relating to the state of GW in the least.
Mineria
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I know of many players who have left including close personal real life friends. The title Grind for Armor was the last straw for many of them. Now we play counter-strike on the weekends.
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Say again, where is the awful grind for armors?
Inde
Maybe you all just need new friends. WHAT?! Are you that sad you can't make new friends? Huh?! Huh?!! MAKE SOME FRIENDS.
(watch as Inde gets banned)
(watch as Inde gets banned)
DarkNecrid
*bans Inde*
I agree, my friends list is full and they are all active. =D
I agree, my friends list is full and they are all active. =D
Lonesamurai
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Maybe you all just need new friends. WHAT?! Are you that sad you can't make new friends? Huh?! Huh?!! MAKE SOME FRIENDS.
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More and more people are quiting the game due to the fact there is less things which are worth doing nowdays which have good rewards.
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1. Playing with more fun nowdays
2. Missing the good old (profitable) days, thinking of quiting 3. Nothing changed |
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1. Decrease in guild members due to people quiting
2. No in- or decrease of players in the guild 3. Increase of players in the guild |
dont feel no pain
i've had the same friend list for a long long time like since 2005 XD, i used to have about 20 online at times, but now 1 or 2.
Reubensitos
I hate to say this, but I am on the same boat. Its not a hate thing or anything bitter. I have had my fun, I have played long enough (since the beginning). I started grinding in GWEN after I beat it and realized that I dont like grinding so much. And I started it and i realized that i have kinda done everything that I personally wanted to do and grinding for my HOM wasn't what I expected.
I will be back when the misison pack is released, thats for sure. But after that.. who knows.
But I need to keep my gridning back to the Gym. The holidays are coming.. and well.. that adds some more hefferage to my wasiteline.. going to try to beat it, in advance.
I will be back when the misison pack is released, thats for sure. But after that.. who knows.
But I need to keep my gridning back to the Gym. The holidays are coming.. and well.. that adds some more hefferage to my wasiteline.. going to try to beat it, in advance.
cebalrai
This is a stupid thread. A poll? Useless because it doesn't measure anyone except the posters on this thread. That's NOT a representative cross-section of GW players. Therefore it's utterly meaningless.
Incidentally, my guild has tripled in size over the past 6 months. If you guys have failing membership, maybe they're just going to better guilds?
Incidentally, my guild has tripled in size over the past 6 months. If you guys have failing membership, maybe they're just going to better guilds?
Kelsey Cain
I would bet money that if figures were released they would show that the number of players logging onto the servers over the last month or so have started to fall. I would furthermore predict that this trend will continue, with the only upward blip in numbers occuring during the Wintersday 2007 event.
During the early part of 2008 player numbers will go into steep decline.
During the early part of 2008 player numbers will go into steep decline.
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Sometimes I still have fun even though I hate GW. I also have more hours than most people in this thread, and yet I still hate it, but I still play it.
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creelie
There is a sort of continuous flowering and withering that goes on in guilds. Long-term players generally eventually settle in an arrangement that pleases them, so most guilds have to recruit new players. And a lot of those new players don't go on to become experienced players; they just get bored and leave.
There are players who stick around, and players who go and come back, but it takes awhile to stumble upon communities of them.
There are players who stick around, and players who go and come back, but it takes awhile to stumble upon communities of them.
Trylo
i only read the first pages and some of the second im not going to sift through 10 pages but a lot of the leaving is not only pve, but also the fact every form of PvP has been neglected and killed. HA = 10 parties looking for SWAY!
gremlin
Its inevitable that people will move on to other things but as long as newer people join its fine and the game will continue.
Used to play GW excessivly by that I mean maybe 8 to 10 hours a day and sometimes 7 days a week.
Those days days are over I now play a range of other games, I still havn't done with gw just slowed the pace down a little.
Been to the underworld a few times, never visited the fow at all, done paractically no pvp.
But I have followed the storylines and tried out lots of build and skill combinations.
I was amused by all the people who finished the game in a week or less and seemed pleased with themselves, well hope you got your money's worth.
Did they never slow down and look around explore talk to players, their gw experience must be like those package tours "see Europe in 5 days" not for me i'm afraid.
Gwen is good maybe not so good for those who have the nack of beating the ai down to a fine art, for them I am sure it was just a walk in the park.
At least this game is always changing, I am a little annoyed when a particular exploit with skills I use disappears but then so what now I can look for another way to beat the game.
So its not the same game as when we started, but is that all bad, arn't we always delighted when something we ask for is fixed, should we be all that upset when someone else gets what they want.
Cannot help thinking there are a few wow players around here that love to rubbish gw maybe they hope we will all leave and join them, if so then welcome come see a good game for once lol
Used to play GW excessivly by that I mean maybe 8 to 10 hours a day and sometimes 7 days a week.
Those days days are over I now play a range of other games, I still havn't done with gw just slowed the pace down a little.
Been to the underworld a few times, never visited the fow at all, done paractically no pvp.
But I have followed the storylines and tried out lots of build and skill combinations.
I was amused by all the people who finished the game in a week or less and seemed pleased with themselves, well hope you got your money's worth.
Did they never slow down and look around explore talk to players, their gw experience must be like those package tours "see Europe in 5 days" not for me i'm afraid.
Gwen is good maybe not so good for those who have the nack of beating the ai down to a fine art, for them I am sure it was just a walk in the park.
At least this game is always changing, I am a little annoyed when a particular exploit with skills I use disappears but then so what now I can look for another way to beat the game.
So its not the same game as when we started, but is that all bad, arn't we always delighted when something we ask for is fixed, should we be all that upset when someone else gets what they want.
Cannot help thinking there are a few wow players around here that love to rubbish gw maybe they hope we will all leave and join them, if so then welcome come see a good game for once lol
Inniss
My guild roster seems a bit on the slow side too, although truth be told I've slowed down my playing and taken up a few other games and some novels too.
Prolly will see a boom around halloween though, and lots of people who don't read the main site asking how to get hats. :P
Prolly will see a boom around halloween though, and lots of people who don't read the main site asking how to get hats. :P
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same...most of the good people that actually knew a damn in this game quit when factions was released. but, all the anet bashing I do, I really cant consider any other game that is a candidate that would hold my attention for almost 3 years. Complaints you see are just because people DO care about this game, and WANT it to live up to its full ability.
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I feel same way.... though, as some ppl have said, it takes friends to keep playing... and guilds do become that... our guild has been dying, since factions came out, yet i drag on, quest on, fight on.... we dont recruit much, we have a strong player base in our guild that plays quite a bit together... the active 20 of us out of 80....
I bash anet, yell, vent, raise a fit, but its because i enjoy the game, and hate seeing anet make change after change that just cause more and more players to leave....
What will become of the game when all the experience and knowledge of the game leave?
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Cats
I think people are just shifting focus. While at the start you'd get the very competitive players, those are starting to move away as they've completed the game or gotten bored with it. The ones who're left would be the more casual lot looking for a time of socializing in gaming rather than finishing missions or being the first one to gain certain titles. I'd get that same thing in my own guild towards the end of every chapter too, just a different group of people would be actively online, and want different types of events (mini games over PvE ones)
My own guild is like zamail's - at an all time high. We have people on our waiting list and are thinking to expand to second guild as we're maxed out. I'd attribute it to the fact that we're more social-based than competitive so while we would have less members at the start of a chapter than say your average top 100 guild, guilds like mine would tend to grow more towards the end of a chapter rather than flounder in membership.
My own guild is like zamail's - at an all time high. We have people on our waiting list and are thinking to expand to second guild as we're maxed out. I'd attribute it to the fact that we're more social-based than competitive so while we would have less members at the start of a chapter than say your average top 100 guild, guilds like mine would tend to grow more towards the end of a chapter rather than flounder in membership.
You can't see me
The only thing that's changed is there is now more reward for grinding. People are jumping off cliffs and quitting because they don't like to work. They think the game should give them lolipops and gumdrops through the entire play. Stupid IMO.
The Gameplay is no different than a few months back. I wish people would wake up and stop following the rest of the buffalo off the cliffside.
The Gameplay is no different than a few months back. I wish people would wake up and stop following the rest of the buffalo off the cliffside.
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Captain Herbalife
Well to start I dont believe I have seen anyone running off cliffs, but I have noticed what does seem to be a lul in activity in the GW community. I think the reason that some guilds are seeing growth right now is due to the fact that so many have gone inactive. People will only stay in an inactive guild for so long. Alot of the veterans of the game have moved on, which in turn has left many controlling positions in guilds, inactive. I think many people were hoping for more customizable content in GW:EN. To be quite honest most of GW:EN is a reskin of some sort and the title grind issue leaves me at a loss.
With the advent of the "Lightbringer" title system, the game took a turn which at first seemed ok. It was something new.
Now with GW:EN we were given 4 new titles that we have to grind if we seek the benefit of them. And its not like its really a choice, you cant work one title only and be effective in the harder areas of the game like you could with the LB title. I feel that it overwhelms alot of the casual players. I fear that Anet will not hold onto its fan base if this is all it has to offer to players for 2 years till GW2 is released. If this is it......players will get borred pretty fast.
Kinda reminds me of how D2 went out. "Kinda quiet and uneventful".
With the advent of the "Lightbringer" title system, the game took a turn which at first seemed ok. It was something new.
Now with GW:EN we were given 4 new titles that we have to grind if we seek the benefit of them. And its not like its really a choice, you cant work one title only and be effective in the harder areas of the game like you could with the LB title. I feel that it overwhelms alot of the casual players. I fear that Anet will not hold onto its fan base if this is all it has to offer to players for 2 years till GW2 is released. If this is it......players will get borred pretty fast.
Kinda reminds me of how D2 went out. "Kinda quiet and uneventful".
Inde
Everyone, we STILL DON'T ALLOW I'm leaving posts. This thread itself kind of rode a fine line but it was discussing the status of your guild. This is not a free-for-all "I'm leaving RAWR!" thread or even a thread to discuss your reasons for leaving. If it continues down the same path as the last few pages then I'll have to close it.
Teh [prefession]-zorz
well i think people are, i mean after a while of doing pvp only [pve is for noobs] it gets boring, specifically with the meta's and failure of anet to change them.
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The only thing that's changed is there is now more reward for grinding. People are jumping off cliffs and quitting because they don't like to work. They think the game should give them lolipops and gumdrops through the entire play. Stupid IMO.
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w00t!
First, what is happening in GW is completely natural in a software products' life cycle. With no new content, the player base will decline, although Anet will do a few things to keep up interest until GW2 comes out. Most likely it will be in the form of additional content (small stuff, not expansions), and packaged deals at discounts to encourage new players 6-9 months before the release of GW2.
The player base can be divided into three groups:
1) Hard core players - here since beta or early into prophecies. 90% of them will still be here when GW2 comes out. Probably 20% of the community, but the percentage of active players in this group will grow as the base slowly declines.
2) Casual players - Cause the blips when new content comes out. They mob GW for a couple weeks then disappear. This is typically followed by several "are people leaving GW in droves?" threads. Probably 60% of the community.
3) Drive by players - Buy the game, play it for a bit, then move on to something else. Probably 20% of the community at any given time.
To blame this on anything other than the standard product life cycle is a bit short-sighted. "Grind is killing GW! PvP changes have killed GW! All the veterans have left!".
Bah I say, bah! It is what it is, and nothing more. Not the apocalypse, not "required grind" (there is no such thing in GW, but that's the topic of several other threads), just natural changes to a user base in a two plus year piece of software.
The player base can be divided into three groups:
1) Hard core players - here since beta or early into prophecies. 90% of them will still be here when GW2 comes out. Probably 20% of the community, but the percentage of active players in this group will grow as the base slowly declines.
2) Casual players - Cause the blips when new content comes out. They mob GW for a couple weeks then disappear. This is typically followed by several "are people leaving GW in droves?" threads. Probably 60% of the community.
3) Drive by players - Buy the game, play it for a bit, then move on to something else. Probably 20% of the community at any given time.
To blame this on anything other than the standard product life cycle is a bit short-sighted. "Grind is killing GW! PvP changes have killed GW! All the veterans have left!".
Bah I say, bah! It is what it is, and nothing more. Not the apocalypse, not "required grind" (there is no such thing in GW, but that's the topic of several other threads), just natural changes to a user base in a two plus year piece of software.
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I thought ANet already confirmed we'd be able to jump in GW2. Are they only considering it?
On another note, isn't it funny that with most $50 games people only expect to get 50-100 hours of gameplay out of it if even that, but when it comes to Guild Wars they complain that it gets boring when they've played for 1000+ hours? Kinda unfair, don't you guys think? |
Don't forget that this is a free to play (after purchase) game. The majority of the most basic MMOs are not free to play after purchase. Not even UO is free to play after you buy it! Nor are a lot of the crappy MMOs that you see flooding every inch and foot of the market these days.
Might I also mention that I've enjoyed every second that I've spent in the GW universe... Well with the exception of RA BEFORE the changes.
Edge Martinez
Our guild is down to 2 really active people and maybe 8-10 not so active. I usually log on these days and log off shortly afterwards. The 360 is just more fun these days.
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well i think people are, i mean after a while of doing pvp only [pve is for noobs] it gets boring, specifically with the meta's and failure of anet to change them.
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My guild is one of the oldest one, we are still 90/95 players with a regular turn over. GW is 29 months old & without monthly fee.....so players come & go its obvious. Thats what I like, I am free to leave for a while & come back when I want.
Count to Potato
In my guild, school is the main reason for decline of play... quite simple rly, lots of HW
Young Hero
Friends list went gray long ago.I held on for NF but that was all I could handle.
Check the Most users ever online was 6,830, 03-13-2006 at 06:49 PM
Lolz, game has been dead for long time.I forget what happened that day.
Was it rune/rare materials bug when they did the roll back?
Also LoLz at Guru for FINALLY getting a good server, you guys really need it nowdays, not
Check the Most users ever online was 6,830, 03-13-2006 at 06:49 PM
Lolz, game has been dead for long time.I forget what happened that day.
Was it rune/rare materials bug when they did the roll back?
Also LoLz at Guru for FINALLY getting a good server, you guys really need it nowdays, not
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Friends list went gray long ago.I held on for NF but that was all I could handle.
Check the Most users ever online was 6,830, 03-13-2006 at 06:49 PM Lolz, game has been dead for long time.I forget what happened that day. Was it rune/rare materials bug when they did the roll back? Also LoLz at Guru for FINALLY getting a good server, you guys really need it nowdays, not |
Pae
My guild has been more active than it usually is. We even got one guy back who hadn't played for two years XD. There might be a shift with what people decide to do, though. For me, I've moved a bit away from PvE to HA (maybe other PvP later), particularly since you don't know how many people will be around later on. It's easy enough to finish PvE stuff with hench/heroes or one or two other people and heroes. It's also to get a bit of a break from PvE, though I have plenty left to do.
iridescentfyre
Outside of the collective psychology of the forums, I see no evidence whatsoever that Guild Wars is dying or losing an unusually large number of players. I see as many people in the big cities as I ever have, my guild is still within the 70-90 member range as it always has been, the vast majority of my friends still play; its still a rather lively game. With the exception of the individual retards whining about this and that (which is nothing new, by the way), there isn't really any reason for people to be quitting in droves yet. EotN hasn't even been out for that long enough yet for more than the most hardcore of players to get bored of it... even for most of them there's still stuff to do.
I expect that around the time GW2 is released, that's when we'll start seeing noticeable reductions in the logged-in Guild Wars population--but only because they're playing GW2. Its funny how reading this thread actually makes it sound like GW is mere days away from death... in game, though, the evidence just isn't there.
Considering this is an unofficial game forum whose existence isn't readily obvious to most players, I'd say 6,830 online at one time is a hell of a lot. We are a minority. Regardless I don't see how it has anything to do with the population in the game itself.
I expect that around the time GW2 is released, that's when we'll start seeing noticeable reductions in the logged-in Guild Wars population--but only because they're playing GW2. Its funny how reading this thread actually makes it sound like GW is mere days away from death... in game, though, the evidence just isn't there.
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The only thing that's changed is there is now more reward for grinding. People are jumping off cliffs and quitting because they don't like to work. They think the game should give them lolipops and gumdrops through the entire play. Stupid IMO.
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I am not saying that making everything accessable to everyone is a bad thing. I do enjoy playing the game, but beating the same campaign and quests over and over again gets rather dull for me. So i enjoy pimping out my characters with leet armor and weapons and items. I enjoy farming for cash and being on the wealthy side. Those aspects are now basically "nerfed". Everyone has a freedom on how they want to play GW.
Grinding has never been a problem for me. This is supposed to be a grind opitional game. But i go and see all the complainers on these threads and then go look in every outpost, i realize that almost everyone who has GWEN has achieved a decent title in Asuran, Norn, Vanguard, or Delver. Meaning its not as painful or as bad as they say it really is.