When are we going to be able to Change the appearnce of our characters? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

16 Oct 2007 at 00:46 - 161

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

You're content, so no one should get the option to change? What the hell kind of logic is that?

It seems the be the general consensus of all issues with GuildWars.

It's perfectly fine for me,so it doesn't need to be changed.

It'd be a nifty addition though.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

16 Oct 2007 at 01:32 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

It seems the be the general consensus of all issues with GuildWars.

It's perfectly fine for me,so it doesn't need to be changed.

It'd be a nifty addition though.

Agreed. "I wouldn't use it, so I vote no!"

Such a pain in the ass mentality...

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

16 Oct 2007 at 04:26 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

The next time anyone chooses to quote or paraphrase Gaile Gray, can they also provide a link to the source?

Yes, please. I'd really like to see that happen, too.

Adding an "appearance changer" is far more complex than toggling a male/female swap for a character, as we did on April 1st. Some suggest hair dressers, instead of a complete new-look option. I have never denied, nor would I, that we can do a gender switch with programming. It's possible that the programmers could do additional changes, with hugely more complex programming, but that work would most likely be made even more complicated by the fact that few players would be content with a gender swap, they'd want the full deal: all hair choices, all face choices, a height selector, etc.

I do agree with you guys that having such options -- any or all of them -- would be great. But the designers tell me we will not be adding these features to Guild Wars for very logical reasons, such as time, the long path involved in moving towards other projects, etc. We honestly cannot stop some staff members' involvement in the development on Guild Wars 2 to spend months on this feature, and I believe I understand that it would take months. (Consider how long Hard Mode took each time, and Reconnects, for a point of reference.)

We will, of course, consider the possibilities of appearance change options, even as an in-game store option (which some players have suggested), for Guild Wars 2. In the meantime, we have been talking about other fun options that are not completely out of the realm of possibility and which may find their way into Guild Wars. It's too early to talk about them yet, but we'll see.

Thom Bangalter

Grindin'

Join Date: Dec 2005

MO

E/Mo

16 Oct 2007 at 04:29 - 164

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

In the meantime, we have been talking about other fun options that are not completely out of the realm of possibility and which may find their way into Guild Wars. It's too early to talk about them yet, but we'll see.

ambiguity is ambiguous!

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

16 Oct 2007 at 16:40 - 165

I wanted colored dyes to affect hair color >.>

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

16 Oct 2007 at 17:31 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We will, of course, consider the possibilities of appearance change options, even as an in-game store option (which some players have suggested), for Guild Wars 2.

If this ends up being the case when GW2 is launched, I will not buy it.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

16 Oct 2007 at 19:08 - 167

Anet's response, and, in some cases, lack of response to player issues is critical in player retention. They've probably lost me. So, yeah, have the ability to change character appearance in the next game, great. I'm still playing THIS game, and wish that Anet was still in it with me.

Anet-milk mustache-1 year old-nuff said.

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

16 Oct 2007 at 19:24 - 168

I'd rather not have to purchase extra options for a game I already own. If things start turning out that way where you have to purchase updates from an in-game store with real money, i'll boycott it. Remember, happy users create successful products. Not necessarily the other way around.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

16 Oct 2007 at 19:34 - 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

in-game store option

Ha.Ha.Hah.

No.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

16 Oct 2007 at 19:37 - 170

A little disappointing I agree. I fully understand Gaile's points regarding development efforts and employee resources. Its completely understandable. My hope, though, is that there is a team, albeit smaller, of developers dedicated to GW until GW2 comes out, such that we see continued updates, some prioritized new features here and there, a little new content, of course skill balances. That sort of support I'd think is needed, and I generally expect it on a given game until the new version is out. Once GW2 is out one wouldnt expect further support outside of bug fixes. I'm sort of wondering now if that's going to happen beyond the November mission pack and I'm more than a little disappointed at the implications that it may not. Have to see how that plays out.

As for character appearance, my wish would have been hair color and style changes. A stylist. Probably not to unlike the dye preview window. Seems to be just a matter of the system accessing which class you are and having a little selector for the appropriate hair styles available. It'd be some work I know, but I'm not sure about months. Doesnt seem like it, but things are always more complicated under the hood, but still. Determining where that would have fallen in a priority list for the team that would continue working on GW for the next year+ would then be left up to Anet, but like I say, it sounds like there is no such team (?).

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

16 Oct 2007 at 20:02 - 171

It sounds to me like Gaile mentioned that: they might have some plans for further additions to the current Guild Wars game, so there will developers who will spend their time on it. But, the request being made in this thread may be too complicated and time-consuming for their current availability.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

16 Oct 2007 at 20:13 - 172

Guess its a wait and see:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

In the meantime, we have been talking about other fun options that are not completely out of the realm of possibility and which may find their way into Guild Wars. It's too early to talk about them yet, but we'll see.

Sounds to me like there might be a couple options of some sort, at some point. Maybe. Less a dedicated team to develop a new things, or anything as expansive as Sorrow's Furnace etc, but at least yes, it does imply a few side projects.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

16 Oct 2007 at 21:58 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

If this ends up being the case when GW2 is launched, I will not buy it.

(about selling cosmetic changes online)

Eh? Let me get this straight: you'd rather not have the option to change your character at all then have to pay for it?

It's not a game-breaking issue. Frankly, I'd rather have a game with free content upgrades (new areas, etc) that paid for itself with micro-transactions, than pay for a new Chapter every 6 months.

But, maybe that's just me...

Nomen Mendax

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Clan Suiel

W/Mo

16 Oct 2007 at 23:04 - 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Yes, please. I'd really like to see that happen, too.

Adding an "appearance changer" is far more complex than toggling a male/female swap for a character, as we did on April 1st. Some suggest hair dressers, instead of a complete new-look option. I have never denied, nor would I, that we can do a gender switch with programming. It's possible that the programmers could do additional changes, with hugely more complex programming, but that work would most likely be made even more complicated by the fact that few players would be content with a gender swap, they'd want the full deal: all hair choices, all face choices, a height selector, etc.

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my bold

I'd rather see something than nothing (and personally I'd be very happy with just changing hairstyles). I fully accept that resources and money is always an issue, and if it is prohibitively expensive to add this sort of content it's quite reasonable not to do it.

I'd love to know something about the way that character information is structured (and no, I'm not expecting to find out), as it seems unfortunate that it is so difficult to, for example, change a hairstyle to another style of the same profession. It suggests that this part of the system isn't as well designed as it could be, hopefully this kind of thing is being taken note of for GW2.

Kryth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ascalon

Venatori Solaris

16 Oct 2007 at 23:05 - 175

Oh poo-leeeeez! Even I can dye my character's hair via text mod, how hard could it be to implement, dye preview is there already

zamial

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2006

Usa

TKC

N/

17 Oct 2007 at 00:08 - 176

Hey instead of changing the way we look, why don't they fix all the horrible graphic glitches we already have? like armor not holding dye right or stuff clipping, and I am talking about characters, weapons, armor, not the terrain oddities......

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

17 Oct 2007 at 00:30 - 177

It is disappointing when players demand things that other companies charge for, even companies that also charge to play their game. Sometimes we can give a service or a feature without cost. For example, we allow you to move freely between European and American districts, where one company charges $50 to move your account a single time. (And charges you monthly to play.)

But consider name changing: Some players want that for free. Yet another game charges $25+ for that service along with their $10 or $15 a month. Some games also charge for appearance changes, plus nick their players with a monthly fee.

So, predictably, someone chimes into the discussion with "I won't buy Guild Wars 2 if they do this." If you won't buy Guild Wars 2 because of this, that's ok, you should make the choice that's right for you. But why are you suggesting that other players should not be able to make their own choices, too? Why are you saying, "Because I don't want to pay for this, no one else should have the choice to do so, either?" Because that's what some are saying.

I don't know what the future will hold, but let's speculate for a moment: Somewhere in the future, there may be a feature that is too costly, in terms of development time and resources, to add to the game at no cost. Let's say that we know it's something that some players will choose to buy, like the character slots, and we decide to offer it within the in-game store at a nominal fee. Now, do players want it for free? Yes, of course they do. It's human nature to hope that everything will be free. But are they somehow "entitled" to it for free? No, probably not, given my scenario here.

So, development of this feature is prompted by popular demand. If we offer it in the store, what's the problem with that? And why would somone boldly state he refuses to buy a game that offers its players more choices?

As a gamer, I have done some research, and I can tell you that many companies charge for extra services, like server moves, name changes, appearance/gender changes, etc. No one playing Guild Wars (playing for free on our servers, I might add) should demand that we risk our company's future health to develop new content and then simply give it all away, every speck of it, without thought to sustaining the game, expanding it, adding new things, and keeping the servers going and future development on track. Some content is optional, like character slots, like the PvP packs, and content like that rightfully should have a cost.

We're committed to the "no monthly fee" business plan. Our offering reasonable purchaseable options beyond that, when it's to the players' and the companies benefit, is a good thing.

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

17 Oct 2007 at 00:42 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It is disappointing when players demand things that other companies charge for, even companies that also charge to play their game. Sometimes we can give a service or a feature without cost. For example, we allow you to move freely between European and American districts, where one company charges $50 to move your account a single time. (And charges you monthly to play.)

But consider name changing: Some players want that for free. Yet another game charges $25+ for that service along with their $10 or $15 a month. Some games also charge for appearance changes, plus nick their players with a monthly fee.

Ok... This is Guild Wars stop compairing it to other games that aren't Guild Wars. This is what pisses me off the most, Guild Wars was supposed to be it's own game and now you are basing your products off of what is already out there. I could care less if another game charges players for w/e reason. I play this game not some other one.

As for the character appearance change I could care less, I made my characters the way I wanted them and I don't need to change them. Easy way to change the appearance is to create a new character.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

17 Oct 2007 at 00:52 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It is disappointing when players demand things that other companies charge for, even companies that also charge to play their game. Sometimes we can give a service or a feature without cost. For example, we allow you to move freely between European and American districts, where one company charges $50 to move your account a single time. (And charges you monthly to play.)

But consider name changing: Some players want that for free. Yet another game charges $25+ for that service along with their $10 or $15 a month. Some games also charge for appearance changes, plus nick their players with a monthly fee.

So, predictably, someone chimes into the discussion with "I won't buy Guild Wars 2 if they do this." If you won't buy Guild Wars 2 because of this, that's ok, you should make the choice that's right for you. But why are you suggesting that other players should not be able to make their own choices, too? Why are you saying, "Because I don't want to pay for this, no one else should have the choice to do so, either?" Because that's what some are saying.

I don't know what the future will hold, but let's speculate for a moment: Somewhere in the future, there may be a feature that is too costly, in terms of development time and resources, to add to the game at no cost. Let's say that we know it's something that some players will choose to buy, like the character slots, and we decide to offer it within the in-game store at a nominal fee. Now, do players want it for free? Yes, of course they do. It's human nature to hope that everything will be free. But are they somehow "entitled" to it for free? No, probably not, given my scenario here.

So, development of this feature is prompted by popular demand. If we offer it in the store, what's the problem with that? And why would somone boldly state he refuses to buy a game that offers its players more choices?

As a gamer, I have done some research, and I can tell you that many companies charge for extra services, like server moves, name changes, appearance/gender changes, etc. No one playing Guild Wars (playing for free on our servers, I might add) should demand that we risk our company's future health to develop new content and then simply give it all away, every speck of it, without thought to sustaining the game, expanding it, adding new things, and keeping the servers going and future development on track. Some content is optional, like character slots, like the PvP packs, and content like that rightfully should have a cost.

We're committed to the "no monthly fee" business plan. Our offering reasonable purchaseable options beyond that, when it's to the players' and the companies benefit, is a good thing.

The best way to analyze what should be done with the business model you guys have over there at Anet is what updates and bugs are truly relative to keeping the playerbase content. How I understand, PvP really only needs a few numbers changed around, and yet there still seems to be a high degree of difficulty to do that as well.

I am not sure that the "budget alloted" is that justifiable of an arguement to support not giving those updates. However, I am not a programmer (at least professionally) and neither are a lot of the ignorant ass-hates who post on this forum. However, I just suggest that updates in general are looked through a more broad spectrum.

No one should take updates for granted (at least I don't). However, it seems as though on a consistant basis, through PvE and PvP, you guys at ArenaNet have not maximized the potential of each update or skill balance to what it could have been.

What I mean is, if 20 skills need to be changed and are stressed by a lot of well-informed PvPer's, and then 20 completely different skills get changed, this gets very aggravating for a lot of people.

Back on the specific topic of OP however, yes name changing and appearance changing is something I would support greatly, much more than the time invested in double weekends or festivals etc.

Of course now Gw2 is a priority, but all that I request is just some more careful updates so that you don't have to feel that you guys are unappreciated.

Anyway, it's late.

Good night.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

17 Oct 2007 at 00:53 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

(about selling cosmetic changes online)

Eh? Let me get this straight: you'd rather not have the option to change your character at all then have to pay for it?

It's not a game-breaking issue. Frankly, I'd rather have a game with free content upgrades (new areas, etc) that paid for itself with micro-transactions, than pay for a new Chapter every 6 months.

But, maybe that's just me...

I'd rather pay in-game money to change my characters hair. I didn't say I wouldn't want the option in GW2. I'm saying that if thats the route they are going to take with GW2 (making you pay for anything and everything in the game with real money), then I'd rather just play a pay-to-play MMO. Honestly, where will paying for stuff in the in-game store end? Guild Hall upgrades? Access to armor? Access to UW? I'd rather just pay a monthly fee'd game and get access to everything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But why are you suggesting that other players should not be able to make their own choices, too?

Again, I didn't say I wanted to deny that options to players, but if the route that Areanet is going to take with GW2 (No monthly fee! Buuuut you have to buy access to hairdressers, etc. with real cash) Then I'd rather just put my money into a game with monthly fees that gets updated on a more regular basis. If the content updates of GW1 were any sign of what the updates will be like for GW2 (being slim pickens besides Sorrows Furnace), then I'd rather just play a game that will charge a monthly fee, give me access to everything in-game, and have consistent content updates. Skill balancing isn't content.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

17 Oct 2007 at 01:00 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

I'd rather pay in-game money to change my characters hair. I didn't say I wouldn't want the option in GW2. I'm saying that if thats the route they are going to take with GW2 (making you pay for anything and everything in the game with real money), then I'd rather just play a pay-to-play MMO. Honestly, where will paying for stuff in the in-game store end? Guild Hall upgrades? Access to armor? Access to UW? I'd rather just pay a monthly fee'd game and get access to everything.

The point is, you don't. You don't get free server moves, or free name changes, or free account merging, or other things of that nature. The thing is, you obviously have no clue what has been added to the game -- for free -- since it came out. Sorrow's Furnace is a small percentage of the additional content and features that we have added without cost.

And yes, jrk247, I will continue to point out what other games do, because we need to get in check a misplaced sense of entitlement and help people understand reality. Guild Wars players bought a game or games which we support very, very well. But it's unrealistic, unpleasant, and unfair to have people continue to clamor for everything, forever, and for free. Some thing are, like that credit card says, "priceless." But other things do have a real world cost, and if they are offered, it is realistic to expect to recoup that cost.

Masseur

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Southern California

R/Mo

17 Oct 2007 at 01:01 - 182

Well said Gaile as always.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

17 Oct 2007 at 01:07 - 183

I think that most of this community gives too much ambiguous input about desired changes.

Really, after thinking about it a little bit more, I have no idea why anyone from Anet bothers to read these forums or anything of this nature. Their money is in the bank, and the cash cow is being squeezed for the last amount of milk left.

Gaile is precisely right, and Anet has made very smart business decisions in the regard she stated. But, (in my personal opinion) this has caused the game to shrivel down where many players are retired and not playing often. I consider myself in this group now truthfully, but I hold no regrets for spending all the time playin' this game(especially prophecies).

Basically, everyone from ArenaNet good job, I just dislike ambiguity in general, from these forum users here to dev reps who try to mediate situations.

Perhaps if this "no monthly fee" wasn't so nicely decorated and lucrative looking on the box people would think a little bit what it really meant.

Neriandal Freit

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Spiral of The Red Rose, Kryta (Columbus, IN)

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

E/

17 Oct 2007 at 01:10 - 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

.....

Gaile - well said! Honestly, well said! Very few people here on the Guru Forums anymore understand and appreciate the spectrum you've just shown and spoke about. None of these people who are doing the complaining and wanting free stuff understand "That nothing is life is free, it costs someone something somewhere." concept. Because of it, this forum has suffered greatly, which leads into the next paragraph...

I highly do and appreciate what the company you work for does for us on a daily basis. Right now, yeah I'm a bit bored with Guild Wars, but I think that is because my life is so hectic and so many people just use heroes that it's bored me a bti, but with Gw2 on it's way, I've got several titles (like FoW/UW) I'd love to get a hold of now!

Hair? Be awesome!
Can I wait until Gw2? Yes!
Would I pay for this feature if it helps keep ANet going? Absolutely!

Those of you complaining: STOP

Not one of you understand any thing and believe your selves to be the best at this game, yet you want everything. Earn it. Play this game inside and out like many of us who have been with this game for two years (and some, more) to know what it takes for a company to offer free game play for it's players with out asking you, but OFFERS you the ability to buy things you don't NEED like some games Gaile touched on.

Those of you who are complaining on such a regular basis, then leave Guild Wars and be done with. I'm sure ANet doesn't want players who constantly want do nothing to show for it but whine to their team members who goes out day-to-day, to come on to many Guild Wars forums, speaks with us to let us know of what they are doing and to know that they hear what we want.

Gaile,
Thank you

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

17 Oct 2007 at 01:20 - 185

We did not ask for a gender change or a name change all we asked for was a hair and if possible a face and hight change.I don't know what makes this more different than a cape change that is relatively easy to do.The only other option is and that is to get the player to do it for you if you supply them the tools,files and coding and then they can work on it like a mod.

What makes this a some what of a big deal is that upon creation and when you go to presearing your char looks fine.When you go to post it looks different in away eg my Ele looks taller in post than pre.This should only take one person to work on this and I thought it would be a feature in EoTN as I saw video and some explaining that you could.There was a certain button by the play button.What can the players do to make it a go?You do accept fan made material as I read in eula.

Captain Gerome

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Australia

D/Mo

17 Oct 2007 at 01:20 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Those of you complaining: STOP

Allllllright Hitler......

Neriandal Freit

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Spiral of The Red Rose, Kryta (Columbus, IN)

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

E/

17 Oct 2007 at 01:43 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Gerome

Allllllright Hitler......

You, my friend, are one of the finest examples of what Gaile Gray and ANet has to put up with when they shouldn't have to put up with it at all.

Edit:

Here is a great example within our own forums of ANet paying attention to the players. Please take a look at this thread to understand.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0193066&page=2

BOMBA!

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

17 Oct 2007 at 01:53 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

You're content, so no one should get the option to change? What the hell kind of logic is that?

What is the logic in forcing other people to work on adding changes if you're the only one not content?

A winner is me.

Halmyr

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada! eh!

~none~

W/Me

17 Oct 2007 at 02:02 - 189

You can just see the intelect over floing *sarcasm*

The reasons I personaly defend gender change ealier in this thread is because people were simple

1) Onoz! is Ickee!
2) No roleplaying reasons to have it >=(
3) I don't need it so no one else does either.

But technical reasons is a good reasons. For one I would certanly look into buying a sex change for a character :P

I would say that A-net has over all made a real good job, even doh I don't accept all of there decision (

can't agree all the time eh!)

I've been playing since the original release, I'm still happy and content with the game now, and will hopefully be able to play for many more hours.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

17 Oct 2007 at 02:05 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

We did not ask for a gender change or a name change all we asked for was a hair and if possible a face and hight change.

What? Who is "we"? Because I remember the majority of this thread included people debating with each other on the ability to change your character gender.

Quote:

I don't know what makes this more different than a cape change that is relatively easy to do.

Precisely, you don't know just how complicated the code behind the cape change mechanism is, and how long it might have taken to develop. Unless you are familiar with some aspects of game programming and understand these things from the backend, I think it's rude to claim that something is easy or no harder than something else. Try not to assume how things work.

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

17 Oct 2007 at 02:21 - 191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Government Flu

Because quite obviously, Good Sir Knight should be able to save the world in high heels. No, no, no. If a player needs to change the sex of his/her character, then quite obviously they lack the commitment or foresight to play an RPG. Either that, or they need to take a break, because the day I seriously consider my character's sex should change is the day I need to take a year long vacation from the game.

What lol? Oohhh big deal.. once again whoever is paying can make their own decisions ... And it sure doesn't have anything to do with commitment, its still the same char either way and nothing would change except character skin. I think you take things a little too seriously ) Put in all cosmetic changes IMO.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

17 Oct 2007 at 02:24 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karyuu

What? Who is "we"? Because I remember the majority of this thread included people debating with each other on the ability to change your character gender.

This is who we are http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=21525

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

17 Oct 2007 at 02:26 - 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Yes, please. I'd really like to see that happen, too.

Adding an "appearance changer" is far more complex than toggling a male/female swap for a character, as we did on April 1st. Some suggest hair dressers, instead of a complete new-look option. I have never denied, nor would I, that we can do a gender switch with programming. It's possible that the programmers could do additional changes, with hugely more complex programming, but that work would most likely be made even more complicated by the fact that few players would be content with a gender swap, they'd want the full deal: all hair choices, all face choices, a height selector, etc.

I do agree with you guys that having such options -- any or all of them -- would be great. But the designers tell me we will not be adding these features to Guild Wars for very logical reasons, such as time, the long path involved in moving towards other projects, etc. We honestly cannot stop some staff members' involvement in the development on Guild Wars 2 to spend months on this feature, and I believe I understand that it would take months. (Consider how long Hard Mode took each time, and Reconnects, for a point of reference.)

We will, of course, consider the possibilities of appearance change options, even as an in-game store option (which some players have suggested), for Guild Wars 2. In the meantime, we have been talking about other fun options that are not completely out of the realm of possibility and which may find their way into Guild Wars. It's too early to talk about them yet, but we'll see.

I don't understand =( All these options are already in the game for when you create a new character. Personally, id be happy with just having the option to change between the already existing options, even if you have to log to character select screen to do so before logging in, or paying a npc to set you up to be able to do it next time ya log in.

Gaile are you talking about full customization with new skins or already existing skins? Couldn't take too long for the devs to add a few switchs here and there, pointing to existing content? I guess all im asking is please give us access to things you can already pick at character creation... i think that would make a LOT of people happy.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

17 Oct 2007 at 02:27 - 194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spazzer

What is the logic in forcing other people to work on adding changes if you're the only one not content?

A winner is me.

Who on earth is "forcing"? By all means, let me know when I've flown over to Washington and held the development team at gunpoint, demanding they add in this feature.

I'm making a suggestion of something that would be appreciated by a vast majority of players. I have no idea about the coding or time requirements it would take, thus I'm not saying "wtf anet add this in or i'm quitting". If it's not feasible at the time being, then so be it.

Whereas you're saying "uh, I wouldn't use it, so therefore I'm the most important person around and Anet should listen to me because I'm the best look at me everyone my advice is better than everyone else's".

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

17 Oct 2007 at 02:29 - 195

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

I don't understand =(

Designer says no.

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Who on earth is "forcing"? By all means, let me know when I've flown over to Washington and held the development team at gunpoint, demanding they add in this feature.

I'm making a suggestion of something that would be appreciated by a vast majority of players. I have no idea about the coding or time requirements it would take, thus I'm not saying "wtf anet add this in or i'm quitting". If it's not feasible at the time being, then so be it.

You tried to make your arguement a democracy, and apparently you don't like the arguement if the variable is against you.

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Whereas you're saying "uh, I wouldn't use it, so therefore I'm the most important person around and Anet should listen to me because I'm the best look at me everyone my advice is better than everyone else's".

You're just bitter because you regret your average character design skills.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

17 Oct 2007 at 02:38 - 196

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

You tried to make your arguement a democracy, and apparently you don't like the arguement if the variable is against you.

At the time, I had no idea that it would be unfeasible. Regardless, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to make it a 'democracy'--just because a lot of players want something doesn't mean it's best for the game, but conversely, just because some players don't want something doesn't mean it's bad for the game, either.

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You're just bitter because you regret your average character design skills.

I'm perfectly happy with all of my characters, as I spent much time at creation to ensure I'd be satisfied permanently. I simply tend to think along with the "more options = more fun" category.

Nice try at a direct attack, though, I guess.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

17 Oct 2007 at 02:39 - 197

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

All these options are already in the game for when you create a new character. Personally, id be happy with just having the option to change between the already existing options, even if you have to log to character select screen to do so before logging in, or paying a npc to set you up to be able to do it next time ya log in.

Yep, those options are exactly what the thread (and Gaile's replies) are about. Not adding new choices, but being able to switch between existing customization options. However, you have to keep in mind that those choices were programmed only for the character creation process, and it's not a simple matter to make them available elsewhere (and make sure they are bug-free). It's a whole other world to create the code for players to be able to change the visual appearance of their character, once that character has been zoned into the gameplay. It may seem like a really easy thing to do from the outside, because as you said - those options are already there. But they are there within one scenario and one scenario only: initial character creation. And game programmers can't exactly go "Alright, so do this, but here" without investing a lot of time in the venture.

Hope this helps a bit :>

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

17 Oct 2007 at 03:02 - 198

In that case, add it to the game and to the in game store imo. Like was pointed out several times this game is free to continue to play and spending production time on things should cost money, just like it costs money to develop them. But honestly how much can you charge for such a thing? A one time $10 fee to allow you to customize when you see fit? That would add up nicely with several thousand people buying it.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

17 Oct 2007 at 03:18 - 199

Well, what they're going to do is still up to speculation, and concrete details like price are probably moot to debate at this point - since the feature hasn't even fully been confirmed yet.

If GW2 will have more options for character customizations though, I think it'll go in a pretty sweet direction :]

Lord Xeshm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

17 Oct 2007 at 03:39 - 200

The only change I would support would be hair changing. You can easily grow hair and cut it;make it whatever way you want.