When are we going to be able to Change the appearnce of our characters?

If that's all they're there for, you don't have to guild invite them. You can just give them guest access and they're good to go.

What I was saying is, it's another feature for your guild hall that can attract members. A marketing bullet point, if you will.

I don't know about old school, but you definitely have the "Crotchety" part down. sheesh!

eudas

Why do so many people want to prevent other players from changing their gender, even though it doesn't affect them personally? Not that I would ever change my characters gender, their names wouldn't make sense!
But still... are these the same people who shout against gay marriage, even though it doesn't affect them personally? Honestly, why do you all want to limit the options?

You heard of the word 'scope' before? How would changing gender fit into a online fantasy game about killing things?

How would it not fit in? I don't understand. The scope of GW is what you want it to be. GW is hardly tied down to lore so much that other features have not been added.

Hair dye might be usfull.

I want GW to be a game where every just has sex and posts pictures of child and animal pornography

Rethink what you said

his remark was in relation to physical aspects of players' toons, which is what this thread is all about. i don't think your analogy is relevant at all.

Anyone that has any knowledge of game design would understand there are fundamental aspects that goes inside it. A game is broken up into two different parts, all games are, these are the game-play elements and the flavor of the game.

The game-play element of the game is indeed the most important part but any good game designer knows that you must also consider the flavor of it, basically something must make sense inside the context of the game.

In Half-Life too, the designers had originally intended the Gravity Gun as a means to test the physics capabilities of the Source engine but found that it was 'really cool and fun' so they implemented it into the proper story. However adding things 'because it's fun and cool' can ruin games unless well thought out. Valve did this, they did an excellent job in fitting the GGun into the HL world but they had to consider game-play options, while it is needed in some parts of the game and it certainly can be used as a weapon to kill most enemies it however you do not always require it to beat the game.

Sex-change in Guild Wars, although something that I do not doubt could be easily implemented, is something that does not fit into the flavour of the game. Half Life 2 (and it's predecessor as well as the expansions) is a serious FPS with a deep and complex story, as a result you rarely find any moments of humour as it would ruin the gameplay (the correct term is suspension of disbelief). If Gordan Freeman had decided that he wanted to sit back and watch TV and let the other humans deal with the combine or play hockey would be a major breach in suspension in disbelief. It betrays everything he has done up to that point, it loses the immersion factor that the game has built up to that point.

Much is the same with Guild Wars, it is a game where lore wise, you're the hero that strikes down the Lich, Shiro, Abaddon and the Great Destroyer (and Mallyx, Urgoz etc etc). While the acting is hardly Oscar worthy and the game is riddled with pop culture and humour, it is a relatively serious game. The Searing was not meant to be a happy moment, nor is discovering the evils of the White Mantle, the Vizier being the Lich Lord etc etc. These are things that are meant to make the player accept their roles better (aka role-play) and continue the story and in continuing the story, you eventually hope to achieve the ending and 'save the day'. In essence you're trying to become the hero of the world.

Now imagine that, you and Gordan Freeman are both people trying to save the world, him from the Combine, you from Lich/Shiro/Abaddon/TGD because that's 'right' (within the context of the game and our perspective) so it doesn't break the suspension of disbelief, it's what the games were made for, flavor-wise that is.

Now imagine this, Gordan Freeman deciding that after he's beaten the Combine, he wants to get a sex-change. Is that entirely possible to happen, that the mute doctor with a phD that has vanquished a alien army wants to change his gender for whatever reasons that will remain unknown to the player? Of course it's possible, anything is possible in a game.
The question however is, is it probable that the saviour of the human race wants to replace his genitalia? No. It breaks the suspension of disbelief because it is not something we have ever been presented from that character within the context of the game. If Valve designed Half Life 2 so that it was obvious that Dr. Freeman was a flaming transexual who wanted to end up on in the local red light district then him wanting a sex change would be completely fine as we were presented with a character like that.

Now Guild Wars on the other hand is a mmorpg, it's clearly different from Half Life 2 (headcrabs aside). Now while the game-play is different, the flavor of the game are both similar and feature the same foundations. While there are times where the player does laugh (such as Palawa Joko, Koss and the mental-institution escapee Gwen), it in general remains a serious game. You go out of town, find monsters to kill because they looked at your funny, find more monsters because they insulted your mother and occasionally go kill some more monsters, this time because you want to sell their hide. There are other things you can do (like the mini games and talk with other players) but they both fall within the context of you being a hero.

Now with that said, hopefully people can understand why changing their genders doesn't fit. Yes there is nothing wrong with it but flavor reasons disagree.

notice i didn't say i disagree with your point. i merely said that analogies of "children pictures and animal pornography" isn't relevant. nor is it tasteful.

To the OP: never, I hope. Changing sex or appearance with a click is stupid in an RPG, hair tops.

All these context arguments are just silly. Yes, if you want an NPC in game, then sex-change would probably look out of place. Hair-stylist and Cosmetics (skin tone) should be fine, though.

However, there's really no reason that an editor *outside* of the gameworld should be limited or not exist (other than Anet not doing it). You'd have to follow players around and watch for changes, for it to have any impact on your game.

You can do this already. It's called buying new armour.

No the question is why are real life sex change operation concerns, prejudices and phobias intruding into a game? An argument like this fails, monumentally, given we can choose to play a character in a game as whichever gender we choose. Its furthermore assumed that this is the character, not us, literally. Meh.

Anyway, I dont really see the need for character gender change in the game, setting aside the silliness above. It would in most, if not all, circumstances also require a name change, which is a complete re-roll except that you save character accomplishment.

What I would love to see, and have wished for this for a long time (ever since Factions got released), is the ability to change at the very least hair style and color. Would be nice, given the release of new face styles, and the very limited choice of decent ones from Prophecies alone, to be able to change the face too, but that's less important to me personally.

Scrap the sex change. I'm happy to start a new character for that. Scrap the face change. If i want a totally different looking character i'll start a new one then too.

But DO bring in an option to change hair, for the pure reason that the new campaigns brought in new hairstyles and should be available to the toons of all races. There's no reason in or out of game this should not be implemented.

way to go comparing two RADICALLY different games to defend an opinion that has nothing to do with neither.

we CLICK ON BUTTONS in this game in case you haven't noticed. we level up, we give points to certain attributes... ITS NOT REAL.

dude if your stance on changing physical characteristics in a videogame is so severe id hate to hear what your opinion of it is in RL.

Talking about suspension of disbelief only goes so far, the game, book, movies WHATEVER is a purely personal experience. People who go round saying "you should see it like this" or "its like that" have no clue what they are on about and i suggest they take their massive self-centered egos out their asses.

Dont like it? dont use it. /End

Agree, some people take this game too seriously tbh.

You don't understand. Changing physical traits goes against the concept of identity, because your roleplaying character DOES have an identity. If it was a button smasher type of game I'd understand, but since they decided to dump some lore and RP traits in it you ought to stick to the basic rules of the genre.

How would you react if Cynn or Devona changed faces once a week?


P.S. Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm totally in favor of hair style/color change. I don't actively support it because I simply don't care, but it does make sense and many MMORPGs (example: Ragnarok Online) allow that.

The only way you should be able to change your character's sex is if you lose all customizations you had. If you were a hench male warrior and suddenly turned into a skinny female one, obviously you're armor wouldn't fit any more and your customized sword grip wouldn't be comfortable.

Ok....so my character got into a battle, go badly injured, so much so to the point of disfiguration. He wants to restore and fix a few things he did't like.
He wants to change his Nose and his eyebrows because people always fun of them when he was young. (aka face change).

Or, When he was born, he had both sexual part....the parent decided to make him a boy, but in reality, he was a girl. So he wants to change over to become a female with the help of magic.

These could be example of Rp reasons to use face/sex change

I would't care, it does not really affect game play.


Ok .... *prepares Anti-flame shield, suit and helmet*

Many MMORPG include Runescape....no matter how horribly bad it is....it allows for face/hair change, and it also allows for Sex Change.

The sex/face change, does not affect any one but the persone who changes it. And as far as the resons against it I only see two reasons that keeps poping up

1: Its ickeee ( really grow up)

2: there is no roleplaying reasons to do this ( does there really have to be?)

I give up.

12chars

my ranger is ugly, he needs a sex change.

Thread over.

New campaigns brought new faces too.

/SIGNED

NO ONE WOULD FORCE YOU TO CHANGE YOUR CHARACTERS SEX AND FACE! UNDERSTAND NOW?!

And Runescape is a 'fantasy game.' There goes that 'scope' argument again.

Listen, I never want to change my characters sex. I would probably won't change any of their faces, unless I see a face I missed and really love. And many of my characters would be getting a haircut. The fact that I will never use 2 of these features doesn't mean I should want the option taken from other players, simply because it doesn't fit 'lore' or 'its icky.' Don't like the idea that the Warrior in your party might have been a big bald man 2 days ago? Then Hero and Hench shit.

NO U

Seriously, enable your brain's logic area and go play some proper RPG so you can start making sense.

I guess I can't get a facelift, haircut, or even something as drastic as a sex change in real life or in a game, because it might go against the concept of my identity. Damn those concept of identity laws!

Win.

Seriously, that people are against this surprises me. If people want to change their appearance, or even their gender then let them. It's not like it will effect your gameplay in any way. Besides, the tyrian faces have a whole lot less detail than the Elonian faces. I can understand why some of the old-time players (including me) want to change their toons.
You people take this way to serious, it's a damn game.

Okay:

Ad&D: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girdle_...ty/Masculinity you find this on 3rd map in BG1, most "proper" rpg ever, propably. its even in Planescape Torment, THE best Roleplaying game.

ITs there, it alwats was there. All you needed for character gender swap. Hell, you could give it to some NPCs and see Minsc, Boo and his loved male-witch make out. /there is apropriate joke somwhere including hamster, roll of paper and two men .../ Noone ever minded, because people who didnt want it *never used it*

ROFLOL. I must say this is the sort of stuff RPG's *should* be big on. I gravitate towards this genre because I want freedom, not "realistic" constraints.

Character customization, gates, linearity - all things that are either wrong or have become wrong with GW, IMO.

I've been gaming and roleplaying since the 8bit era - No-one lecture me if you had to guess that means "before playstation" (or you think HL2 is a yardstick for anything that wasn't clearly explained in the parable "The Emperor's New Clothes").

heh, you'd think they would implement this and not make it a gold sink? heh... haha...... ha

It would be like 132686532K probs, if it ever happend which i doubt, but mabay a hair dresser, for the right price ofc .

Skimmed through most of the post, but heres my 2 cents,

Why not make Lyssa's Realm all about cosmetic change?

So far nothing is being used there, and it makes quite a bit of sense having Lyssa's realm do that

"Then the sickened woman pulled from her body the robes of plague, revealing Herself to be the goddess Lyssa."

She can change her appearance, so, should it be too hard for her to change my Monks hair?

Also, it's not too much to pay 1k to get in and swap your hair about is it?

A more logical option is just to have hair stylist's in each campaign, when people are exposed to different cultures they change.

Flame away!

I say add a tonic that changes the appearance of your gender for an extended period of time.

By that logic, GW isn't a "proper RPG", so why the hell are you so bent out of shape about something that might "violate the concept of identity"?

It's a game. Let people have harmless choices. You can pretend the option isn't there, it won't hurt you.

You know ALL CHAT can also ruin the aspect of role playing due to spammed craps in there, such as:

"Running Mission and Bonus 1k!"
"Running to droks 3k"

because those messages do not make any sense for those who like role playing. By the same logic from the people who against changing character idea, ALL CHAT feature should be removed from this game. Oh wait but

Most RPers would have ALL CHAT toggled off anyway.

I say they need a system almost like Fable that would be great.

It’s against A-nets best interest to allow this. Right now, A-net wants you to have more to do. They want you to remake your character so that you are busy with the game for a lot more time. Or, they want you to purchase another account or character slot so that you can make for example, another ele with an Elona face. This is preferable to them than them having to pay for some guy to add this to their agenda for the next update.

To be honest, I’d hate to see everyone running around with the same Elona face because people were able to copy any face they saw. Also, you’d see a lot more people running around covering their face with the Dragon mask and the like to avoid such copy cats. It’s nicer to have variety.

I, myself would just make another character with the new face I liked, but still keep my old one for unlocking skills for my new character. It doesn’t take long to blast a character up from 2nd level to 20th. I’ve don’t it a lot as I have plenty of characters.

QFT.

RPers and others opposing the option should get these points through their heads.

what? just...what?

Not sure this was meant to be a joke is all.

Back on topic. I dont particularly see why (even though they wont) implement something like this, that people who are opposed to it just not use it, whilst we are changing our characters at free will, and you who are opposed re-roll and do needless work.

The point im getting at is there really a downside to having this implemented? If name changes where bought up, yes that would be an issue, and would be confusing, but i still hardly see why an appearnace change would be such a problem. but i suppose thats what trolls are for, they dont need a real logical reason to oppose things. *shrug*

They are not going to waste time implementing stupid crap like this. Development is almost entirely focused on GW2, and what little dev time there is that is reserved for GW1, is going to be invested in game changes that are actually important.

Giga, if this is true why even post here anymore?

Seriously, I don't believe this is that difficult to implement, and it would make a lot of people happy, much more than double shaznat weekends.

I am the only person in the game who does not regret the way their female monk looks, and I'd like to keep it that way. Voting no.

You're content, so no one should get the option to change? What the hell kind of logic is that?