When are we going to be able to Change the appearnce of our characters? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Floski

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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10 Oct 2007 at 18:24 - 81

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Sex change is just way too weird.

This is the only reason anyone can give in opposition to sex change. It's icky, so I don't want it in the game, never mind there are tons of male players using female chars, and female players using male chars, if those characters were allowed to change their sex, why, my fragile mind wouldn't be able to take it! Never mind that I would never even KNOW that someone had changed their sex unless it was someone I knew, and that 95% of the players out there I will never meet. Never mind that I'm a truly bigoted individual that is so grossed out by sex change in the real world that having it in a video game is unacceptable.

BTW: I frequent an IRC channel with someone who had a sex change and we rag on him/her/it all the damn time. I personally find it wierd as shit in real life, but this is a goddamn video game where people play their opposite gender all the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing time. If you find sex change in GW wierd, you need a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing headcheck.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

10 Oct 2007 at 18:27 - 82

Sex Change in GW is replacing a 0 with a 1 somewhere.

Yeah, it's so beyond awkward >.<

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

10 Oct 2007 at 18:27 - 83

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Originally Posted by Floski

[Y]ou need a RED ENGINE

This is the honest truth. I've always wanted a red engine.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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10 Oct 2007 at 18:35 - 84

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Originally Posted by Floski

This is the only reason anyone can give in opposition to sex change. It's icky, so I don't want it in the game, never mind there are tons of male players using female chars, and female players using male chars, if those characters were allowed to change their sex, why, my fragile mind wouldn't be able to take it!

Um, no. It's not the only reason

Changing everything about your character shows an inability to commit to your decisions, and it's particularly weird in an MMORPG, because there are things about your avatars that just have to make sense. A sex change isn't one of them. You can write it off as "magic" and make up a ton of other excuses to be able to do this, but I feel that if you wake up one morning and go "And today I want to play a male character!", you should just go and make a new male character. I'd rather people stick to their big decisions (skin tone, sex, height), because in a way, that's who their characters are. You want to look like someone else, make that someone else separately.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

10 Oct 2007 at 19:23 - 85

I'd love to be able to change my ele's face. I can't look at her the same ever since Anet changed her face last year. IMO, they owe her, after the milk moustache incident.

Achilles Antony

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Hangar 18

10 Oct 2007 at 19:52 - 86

Hair change would make sense and would be a nice feature. Anything else (sex change or face change) is just stupid.

dark_prince2023

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

10 Oct 2007 at 19:53 - 87

my wammo wants a facial scar!!!!!!

zwei2stein

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Europe

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10 Oct 2007 at 20:25 - 88

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Um, no. It's not the only reason

Changing everything about your character shows an inability to commit to your decisions, and it's particularly weird in an MMORPG...

MMOs are serious bussiness, amirite?

Besides, its kinda weird having to commit to *fashion* decidions. And even more, not being able to reconsider your decidion when new options become avaiable.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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10 Oct 2007 at 20:41 - 89

:)

Will new genders become available?

Guild Wars is still an RPG in some form, and RPGs are not 3D chatrooms - you pick a character, and for the duration of your adventures, that character's basic traits remain largely unchanged.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

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10 Oct 2007 at 20:57 - 90

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Originally Posted by knoll

I really think this would be a good gold sink.
100k for sex change.
50k for change in Face.
like 10k for hair.

Not at that price that is outrageous.It should cost no more than it cost to change a guilds cape at the emblemer.If they can change our sexs like they did on April fools day I don't see why they can't make this happen now but they are deep into GW2.

Nomen Mendax

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Clan Suiel

W/Mo

10 Oct 2007 at 22:14 - 91

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Um, no. It's not the only reason

Changing everything about your character shows an inability to commit to your decisions, and it's particularly weird in an MMORPG, because there are things about your avatars that just have to make sense. A sex change isn't one of them. You can write it off as "magic" and make up a ton of other excuses to be able to do this, but I feel that if you wake up one morning and go "And today I want to play a male character!", you should just go and make a new male character. I'd rather people stick to their big decisions (skin tone, sex, height), because in a way, that's who their characters are. You want to look like someone else, make that someone else separately.

words in bold for emphasis

I'd like to be able to change my character's hairstyle (particularly to another campaign's hairstyle). I don't have any desire to change my character's sex or face but, unlike a number of people posting here, I really don't care if someone else does. I find it depressing (and odd) that there are always people on these boards who want to tell other people how they should be playing.

So you don't want to change the sex of your character? Fine. Don't. But why do you care that someone else wants to?

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

10 Oct 2007 at 22:27 - 92

Well i guess there is no reason why not to let you change your hair. But face change just seems stupid, sex change more so...

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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10 Oct 2007 at 22:51 - 93

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Originally Posted by Nomen Mendax

I find it depressing (and odd) that there are always people on these boards who want to tell other people how they should be playing.

I said "I feel that....", meaning it's my opinion. I didn't just go out and say "This is what you SHOULD be doing, no discussion." Please don't make it seem like I'm ordering everyone around, even if I disagree with someone's suggestion.

As I said, Guild Wars is still an RPG in some form and in some elements, and one aspect of RPGs is playing with a character that doesn't change body shape and gender and facial structure just because the player wants to on a whim. If our initial character choices are disregarded entirely, and we go through missions with NPCs treating us as "he" and then "she" and then "he" again, you lose some immersion and contact with the game world.

But here's what I want to ask. Why would you want to change a gender instead of creating an entirely new character? I am genuinely interested, and I don't think I've seen any thought-out explanations in this thread yet. "Just because I want to" doesn't cut it, by the way.

Halmyr

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada! eh!

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W/Me

10 Oct 2007 at 22:58 - 94

I'm all up for Hair/Face/sex and even Height change if it would be available.

Just because you wan't to change something, does not mean you are not commited to your change, it simple means that your opinion have change.

Heck, I would love to have my ranger have a sex change

though he was cool at first, but a few month after, not so much.

This does not have to be like real life

I'l use the way to much use saying "its just a a game" ( ok ^-^; I'm gonna get flammed for that one)

If you against it, you just don't have to use it, its simple as that.

All this is is an other money sink and an other way to make more player happy.

Seriously, the more the merrier right??

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Oct 2007 at 23:02 - 95

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

But here's what I want to ask. Why would you want to change a gender instead of creating an entirely new character?

Because people have devoted a lot of time to a particular character would not like to have to do everything over again.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

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10 Oct 2007 at 23:11 - 96

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Um, no. It's not the only reason

Changing everything about your character shows an inability to commit to your decisions, and it's particularly weird in an MMORPG, because there are things about your avatars that just have to make sense. A sex change isn't one of them. You can write it off as "magic" and make up a ton of other excuses to be able to do this, but I feel that if you wake up one morning and go "And today I want to play a male character!", you should just go and make a new male character. I'd rather people stick to their big decisions (skin tone, sex, height), because in a way, that's who their characters are. You want to look like someone else, make that someone else separately.

Nice idea, how did you get infinite character slots?

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But here's what I want to ask. Why would you want to change a gender instead of creating an entirely new character? I am genuinely interested, and I don't think I've seen any thought-out explanations in this thread yet. "Just because I want to" doesn't cut it, by the way.

Armor, Skills, Time, Titles.

Would say attachment, but don't think that is the case.

My question is, other than "ewww that's gross" do you have any reason that it shouldn't be added? "Shows lack of commitment" won't work. It isn't any different than getting a new set of armor. You get tired of a look, and want a new one. What negative impact would it have on the game?

Nomen Mendax

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Clan Suiel

W/Mo

10 Oct 2007 at 23:13 - 97

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

I said "I feel that....", meaning it's my opinion. I didn't just go out and say "This is what you SHOULD be doing, no discussion." Please don't make it seem like I'm ordering everyone around, even if I disagree with someone's suggestion.

If that wasn't your intent then I'm sorry to have misinterpreted you, it's just that you did say:

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Um, no. It's not the only reason

Changing everything about your character shows an inability to commit to your decisions, and it's particularly weird in an MMORPG, because there are things about your avatars that just have to make sense. A sex change isn't one of them. You can write it off as "magic" and make up a ton of other excuses to be able to do this, but I feel that if you wake up one morning and go "And today I want to play a male character!", you should just go and make a new male character. I'd rather people stick to their big decisions (skin tone, sex, height), because in a way, that's who their characters are. You want to look like someone else, make that someone else separately.

Maybe I'm overly sensitive to the word should, which I do interpret as telling people what to do.

In any case, I can only guess that someone would want to change their character's sex because they wish they had started out as the opposite sex but don't want to lose all of the achievements of the original character. Like I said, I have no desire to change the sex of my characters so I can't really give you a reasonable rationale for it. On the other hand, if someone else wants to do this (for whatever reason) then that's fine by me. All of the RP objections to this primarily affect the person who is changing their character's sex, so they are really only affecting themselves.

Though I really would like to be able to change my (female) warrior's Nightfall hair.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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10 Oct 2007 at 23:29 - 98

I'm outnumbered

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"Shows lack of commitment" won't work. It isn't any different than getting a new set of armor. You get tired of a look, and want a new one. What negative impact would it have on the game?

You are right, it wouldn't have any negative impact on the game itself, especially with GW's instance-based nature. I guess I'm just too traditional with believing that your character creation choices in an RPG should generally remain unchanged. To me, a character isn't just random pixels you use to accomplish something - but I understand not everyone feels the same in this day and age.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

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10 Oct 2007 at 23:45 - 99

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

I'm outnumbered

You are right, it wouldn't have any negative impact on the game itself, especially with GW's instance-based nature. I guess I'm just too traditional with believing that your character creation choices in an RPG should generally remain unchanged. To me, a character isn't just random pixels you use to accomplish something - but I understand not everyone feels the same in this day and age.

Eh, I'm the same way. While it was cool seeing my characters as their female half on April 1st, and it even made me somewhat want to make a female version, but I would never change the gender of my characters. I have grown attached to my characters, and in a sense, they are me. I feel sort of awkward playing female characters.

However, seeing as how it would have no effect whatsoever on anyone besides the person who wanted it, and the actual process of changing it would be changing a 0 to a 1, I see no reason to be against it.

Other than the "ewww" factor, but really, getting grossed out by a sex change in a game is about as sad as getting turned on by a naked ele dancing.

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

11 Oct 2007 at 00:42 - 100

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Originally Posted by eudas

A Cosmeticist as a purchasable guild hall improvement would be nice, as it would be an incentive for people to join guilds.

Oh, you want people into you guild, that join because of a cosmetic change?
I know that I wouldn't like people to join my guild because of a feature like that.
I mean, isn't it more worth having guild mates that are great to hang around with, as well that they are helpful?
I think it is.
For guild improvements I got plenty of other ideas related to that.
But since i don't think that Anet has the time to implement those into GW, I added them to GW2 suggestions.

About the whole sex/character change.. 1 word.. re-roll.
Hair changes, why not...
Guess I'm still to much old school rpg player.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

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11 Oct 2007 at 00:55 - 101

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

But here's what I want to ask. Why would you want to change a gender instead of creating an entirely new character? I am genuinely interested, and I don't think I've seen any thought-out explanations in this thread yet. "Just because I want to" doesn't cut it, by the way.

As suggested previously, what if the character I create has some kind of gender identity disorder? I've been roleplaying for years upon years, and while I've never made such a character, I'm reasonably sure I could play one like this.

Lord Xeshm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

11 Oct 2007 at 01:03 - 102

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Originally Posted by knoll

100k for sex change.

Or you could tuck it in for free

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

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Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

11 Oct 2007 at 01:07 - 103

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Originally Posted by Lord Xeshm

Or you could tuck it in for free

haha .

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

11 Oct 2007 at 01:17 - 104

Well, a lot of games have a "Makeover Mage" if you will.

I wouldn't see the harm in it. And when it comes to people looking like you for "Scamming", to whomever made this statement, I usually look at the person's name.... not his clothing and hair under his armor, helmet or mask. Don't know about you on that one.

Sex changes? Well, I wouldn't mind changing my Elementalist to a male, being all my other characters are male, and it was made by my idiot friend, and I took her too far that I didn't want to delete her. But I don't see much point in the long run.

But really, I don't see what the harm would be. I know I'd like my tank to be a tad taller, and maybe change his hair... the others I'm pretty satisfied with, but I'd support the idea if this is still on the discussion floor down at NCsoft.

arcady

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

San Francisco native

Mo/P

11 Oct 2007 at 01:25 - 105

I'd support changing hairstyles, makeup, and clothing - but no more.

Want more, make a different character.

I'd also like, in GW2 at least, during character creation ONLY, some ability to custom morph my facial features and body proportions like I can in City of Heroes.

Torabo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/

11 Oct 2007 at 02:02 - 106

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

As I said, Guild Wars is still an RPG in some form and in some elements, and one aspect of RPGs is playing with a character that doesn't change body shape and gender and facial structure just because the player wants to on a whim. If our initial character choices are disregarded entirely, and we go through missions with NPCs treating us as "he" and then "she" and then "he" again, you lose some immersion and contact with the game world.

Actually, it is quite possible for player appearances to change in plain old table top RPG games, though granted it is usually in the form of some accident that causes deformation in one way or another..... and rarely gender though that does happen. Traditional table top rpgs did NOT prevent one from wanting to change their hairstyle/color (though granted it was up to the dungeon(game) master, and pretty much didn't have any affect on the game unless (s)he wanted it to), and it WAS possible for changes in the face, maybe scars from accidents or what not. The fun in the table top rpgs back then was that ANYTHING you wanted to do you COULD do... subject to things that was reasonable in the setting of course, and whether your game master wanted to allow it or not. I remember playing a thief back in the day that lost all his hair due to an accident, and got stuck with a cursed ring that swapped genders..... (which was actually an official item listed in one of the books...)

Karyuu

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Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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11 Oct 2007 at 02:44 - 107

Traditional table-top RPGs also had a story behind every major physical change - here, the only reasons offered are "I should've started with the other gender first," "I don't want to waste the time I've already put in," etc. There are no RP reasons being offered beside out-of-character convenience.

Operations

Frost Gate Guardian

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11 Oct 2007 at 02:55 - 108

Character appearance changes?

Magic 8-Ball says, "Ask again later."

About changing gender,

"Yeah, right."

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

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11 Oct 2007 at 04:02 - 109

Before you oppose this feature being implemented because of roleplay reasons, etc, think about it carefully, maybe figure out what option means.

Bottom line, if you don't want to change your character's or characters' appearance, why should you stop others who want to?

MisterDutch

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

The Netherlands

E/Me

11 Oct 2007 at 05:07 - 110

I think you should be able to get a sex change for your character,

However, each time you do this you should be a little bit more ugly looking (like the suggestion for female body with male head) so that after switching back and forth a couple of times between male and female you are officially an abdomination of nature.

I'm thinking Micheal Jackson...

Kula

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

West Coast, USA

Mo/E

11 Oct 2007 at 05:10 - 111

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Oh, really? I swear I remember reading something somewhere...

Hey, looks like a lot of people are opposed to it!

I admit I was trying to downplay the fact that so many people are opposed to it, but you just made it seem more apparent. (was hoping it would help) *shrugs*

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Re: The Gender Bender thing

Even though these are only "options", Anet may not care to implement something that will make some people feel insecure or "icky". I couldn't give a rat's @ss if someone just rerolled their avatar's gender (only pixels to me), but not everyone can just brush it off like that and it really bothers them (why? beats me).

But ultimately I think they won't add any of these customization options anyway because priority goes to GW2. Simple as that.

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

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Rhedd Asylum

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11 Oct 2007 at 05:13 - 112

In Everquest 2 we got the option to change our characters appearance a few times as a special occasion.
I changed my troll to dark red instead of light red. And my friend gave her toon a smirk.
Nobody noticed our outrageous changes.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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11 Oct 2007 at 05:17 - 113

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

And why not? What makes changing sex such a bizarre proposition?

A female warrior: I have killed the Lich, defeated Shiro, vanquished Abaddon and banished the Great Destroyer. What should I do know? I know! I'll get myself a doodle!

Now read what I just said and see how that fits into a online rpg about killing stuff. Have you heard of 'flavor'? And I don't mean the taste, I mean in terms of 'lore', how would it fit into the game?

Mister O

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

11 Oct 2007 at 06:21 - 114

Sex change: For 100k, you will be able to change your gender. The success rate is 25 + 5 x Lucky Rank %. Failure may cause your male wammo having boobs, female ele doing male emo dancing etc etc. You can only use this function once.

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

11 Oct 2007 at 09:44 - 115

You got a "Hero" that helped generations of people.
Why would you like to completely change the look of that "Hero", even the sex?
Wouldn't that mean, that it isn't the "Hero" anymore?

I'm not against that people can change it, I just don't see how it fits into GW.
I got an other idea though.
How about a sub character system?
Which means, Anet implements an hidden character slot for each character.
When you have beaten the game, there is a special quest, which isn't easy.
When you have completed that quest, you get a character screen pop-up like the character creation screen, where you can create a new character, but only the look and name.
The 1st and 2nd classes, skills will be the same as for the character that completed the quest. And level 20 of course.
Armor will be max standard choices from some npc added, and titles will not follow. Since titles belong to the "Hero" not this new character.
But all areas and outposts will be open the same way as for it's "Hero".
And those 100k you can then use for getting a new and shiny armor for it instead.
Every thing that new character does concerning titles, will go to the original "Hero" character.
You can only do this one time for each character. But still, it gives you an additional option.

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

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11 Oct 2007 at 09:57 - 116

The question is not when, the question is if. I haven't seen any indications of ArenaNet that they plan to add these options to the game. For me limited changes including a name change would be a nice option to have. Paid for in-game gold and with a x times per certain time limit to avoid too many changes.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

11 Oct 2007 at 10:11 - 117

From the role-playing perspective - isn't the current system for change a little disturbing? Take character to merchant - remove all items/clothes, sell, put cash in Xunlai, then kill character and replace.

It must really freak some of you out, seeing a naked guy standing at the merchant and knowing you'll likely never see him again... Have any of you ever called Anet to report a robbery/murder in process?

FWIW - I don't think there should be a role-playing explanation. The process to change a character should be handled at the character selection screen and not involve the use of any silly "magic" NPC's. Just give us a re-edit button and naysayers bugger off! You're not playing *my* game.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

11 Oct 2007 at 10:25 - 118

Shocking news, not everyone is RPing in this game. Why do people care about other people characters? You wont even know if that person in your PuG just change appearance or not (Hell I only H/H these days, no one would know that I just change my character appearance).

trielementz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Spectra Sg [SpcA]

W/Mo

11 Oct 2007 at 10:27 - 119

the latest merchants refuse to talk to you despite having saved the world 3 times. they don't give a hoot abt lore and role-play, why should we?!

on a more serious note, i think Hyper.nl is right. no matter how much we think how easy it is to implement, it is ultimately up to anet, and nobody has given any indication that this is going to happen. the initial suggestion was for hair and you can see where that went... gender, face and height... i just can't see it happening despite the appeal it may have for some people.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

11 Oct 2007 at 11:51 - 120

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

Traditional table-top RPGs also had a story behind every major physical change - here, the only reasons offered are "I should've started with the other gender first," "I don't want to waste the time I've already put in," etc. There are no RP reasons being offered beside out-of-character convenience.

??????

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

As suggested previously, what if the character I create has some kind of gender identity disorder? I've been roleplaying for years upon years, and while I've never made such a character, I'm reasonably sure I could play one like this.

Do you have me on ignore or something? What the hell?