Update 12/10/07
kielus
more likely a time for heroes exploit itself
lg5000
Twice? I failed after the first time.. still.. I now have access to an armor set I didn't want or need 
CHunterX
Are missions locked after you update?
wolfwing
heh I hope we get to keep the reputation in regards to the book..:> 40 vanguard saved me a huge headache...:> Anyone know how high up you can hand in the books? Doing the main quest would certainly make doing vanguard alot easier.
Mirikashitakuari
Primaries are fixed now
Andrew Patrick
It is our understanding that there will not be a rollback, and we will not be actioning any accounts. We will confirm that, but that's as we understand it.
klippy
kinda sucks, i worked to get up 80k delver, now people have done that in what 30 minutes?
edit: ty andrew =)
edit: ty andrew =)
Apoc
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Originally Posted by MrSlayer
Just guessing here, but was the exploit
1) Say "Look I have a nearly finished book!" *buy pages* 2) Put book in storage 3) Say "Please Sir, can I have one more?" 4) Say "Look I have a nearly finished book!" *buy pages* |
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Originally Posted by klippy
kinda sucks, i worked to get up 80k delver, now people have done that in what 30 minutes?
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Coverticus
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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick
It is our understanding that there will not be a rollback, and we will not be actioning any accounts. We will confirm that, but that's as we understand it.
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JeniM
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Originally Posted by Terra Jim
Time to take up a new past-time methinks - chicken counting... 1..2...
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Its confusing and you can hardly hold the players reponcible for thinking "oooh nice new update to rep farming" instead of "on no a bug"
vergerefosh
Yes you can. The reputation farming is stated as being from quests and kills, not filling up a book, storage, another, book, storage, another etc etc and then handing them all in for mass points
JeniM
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Originally Posted by vergerefosh
Yes you can. The reputation farming is stated as being from quests and kills, not filling up a book, storage, another, book, storage, another etc etc and then handing them all in for mass points
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TheLordOfBlah
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Originally Posted by Jetdoc
Chilibains is just hilarious now.
25 Energy, 2 Second Cast, 8 Second Recharge. Spell. You become Poisoned for 10 seconds. Target foe is struck for 10...37 cold damage and loses 1 Enchantment. Versus Envenom Enchantments 5 Energy, 1 Second Cast, 20 Second Recharge. Spell. Target foe loses one Enchantment. For every remaining Enchantment, target foe is poisoned for 3...9 seconds. Let's see - we'll reduce the recharge by 12 seconds, but it will cost you: -- 20 more energy -- double the cast time -- 10 seconds of self poison That's awesome. |
makosi
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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah
Go read the skill description before commenting. target foe and ALL FOES IN THE AREA lose 1 enchantment you become poisoned. Might be useful if the cast time is reduced.
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Blood Drinker + Chillblains + Plague Sending is a good combo for AoE condition spam and enchantment-hate.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by JeniM
We maxed it through quests not the book, which is obviously an exploit
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JeniM
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
iirc, you've always been able to do the book>storage>get another book thing, there just wasn't much of a point to it until now.
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Picking up huge quest reward on a quest reward weekend isn't. I honestly didn't think once it was wrong
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by makosi
I just realised that too! Chillblains is pretty awesome now.
Blood Drinker + Chillblains + Plague Sending is a good combo for AoE condition spam and enchantment-hate. |
Hailey Anne
For once im overall happy with the update. With the exception of 2 things.
Chilbains nerf sucks.
That was the one thing I made sure to bring to Aspenwood for those lame A/Me Deadly arts builds. with perma SF. Guess Ill have to go N/Me with signet enchant removal.
And Frostmaw chests giving lockpicks rather than diamonds suck.
Edit: Was thinking vabbi armor too diamonds. oops. I stil rather have my diamonds than a lockpick though
It was the the destroyer weapons I was thinking of. Which I was saving for those too.
Chilbains nerf sucks.
That was the one thing I made sure to bring to Aspenwood for those lame A/Me Deadly arts builds. with perma SF. Guess Ill have to go N/Me with signet enchant removal.
And Frostmaw chests giving lockpicks rather than diamonds suck.
Edit: Was thinking vabbi armor too diamonds. oops. I stil rather have my diamonds than a lockpick though
It was the the destroyer weapons I was thinking of. Which I was saving for those too.
Faer
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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity
why do people think that Agressive refrain didn't get hurt?
Do you like a 60AL para? No... Do you want your monk spending 5e every 5-10 seconds removing a condition from your para? No... Agressive refrain is Re-Applied every time a shout or chant ends on you... ummm... so... you're either looking at a 60AL para, or a monk who has to remove that condition every time its applied when in battle. I don't know about you, but I tihnk that's a significant nerf... |
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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity
sure shields count, but only if you're facing the direction of damage.
Ok, let me re-word my aforementioned statement: Do you want Paragons with a conistent re-applying -20 AL condition every time a chant or shout ends on them? I think not, thus making the AR nerf more significant than people are making it out to be. |
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:...frain#lolMathz
By the way, shield armor is global. Don't complain about things when you don't understand the mechanics of what you are complaining about. Do a little research, sheesh.
Vinraith
There should be a title rollback.I wouldn't ban them because one should never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity, but they certainly shouldn't profit (especially not to that degree) from a momentary error in the system.
makosi
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
It was always all foes in the area. Its nerfed.
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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne
I was saving up all my diamonds for Vabbian armor. Cant exactly get the armor with lockpicks.
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IlikeGW
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Originally Posted by JeniM
But doing that to get paid to buy pages . . . that is exploiting
Picking up huge quest reward on a quest reward weekend isn't. |
JeniM
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
It didn't seem out of the ordinary but you made sure to do it enough to max your title right away... yeah totally innocent.
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What was i thinking?
Zahr Dalsk
Chillblains nerf was a mistake, it was one of the few skills that could easily take down Shadow Form assassins.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne
I was saving up all my diamonds for Vabbian armor.
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A11Eur0
Well, I believe this update has gotten me back into GWEN. I'll get to work on filling out my books later.
Good stuff. And if I get my top right piece, I'll be having some fun in Snowman dungeon as well.
Good stuff. And if I get my top right piece, I'll be having some fun in Snowman dungeon as well.
TheLordOfBlah
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Chillblains nerf was a mistake, it was one of the few skills that could easily take down Shadow Form assassins.
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For serious though, it was shit as it was before, admit it, it was essentially touch range, now that its targeted you actually might have a chance to remove something useful...
JeniM
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Good stuff. And if I get my top right piece, I'll be having some fun in Snowman dungeon as well.
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Cobalt
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Originally Posted by Jetdoc
I guess Shelter, Union and Displacement have officially had the fork stuck in them, once and for all.
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I don't get what they are thinking with is it makes no sense at all. Hey lets take a class that already very few find appealing to even play and nuke its biggest asset and make it so no one will bother with it, just freaking brilliant.
Why even bother to add new classses to the game if you are so bad at what you are doing you end up nuking them to uselessness?
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
Vabbian doesn't require diamonds.
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Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah
For serious though, it was shit as it was before, admit it, it was essentially touch range, now that its targeted you actually might have a chance to remove something useful...
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Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Necromancers don't have any shortage of enchant removal
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But thats ok Ill just go N/Me with signet removals.
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Yep Rit spirit spamming took a big hit!
I don't get what they are thinking with is it makes no sense at all. Hey lets take a class that already very few find appealing to even play and nuke its biggest asset and make it so no one will bother with it, just freaking brilliant. |
Hyper.nl
I got some issues with master dungeon guide / heroes handbook:
If I understand it well, you can now turn them both in to:
* Gedral of Ascalon [Vanguard Herald] inside the Eye of the North
* Kodan [Dwarven Recruitment Officer] in Gunnar's Hold
* Tyr the Skaald [Norn Storyteller] in Gunnar's Hold
* Lexx [Asuran Talent Scout] in Rata Sum
When doing so you get the listed reward. After turning them in you can get a new empty book and get it filled again for a fee. Now, you can turn them in to the other NPC's for the reputation points of the other groups.
>> Do I understand this right?? <<
If so, I'm experiencing a bug. I turned in my master dungeon guide for Vanguard points and got a new one which I 'refilled' again for a payment. But I can't turn in my heroes handbook, nor can I turn in any book to the other NPC's of the other groups (Like the dwarven)
Any explanations here? I'm talking about the normal mode books which I fully completed.
Edit: I learned that you cannot turn in a book when you are R8+ of a rank (Too bad, I already got R8 Dwarven by grinding). But still I have a new empty book which no NPC wants to update with the dungeons I've completed.
If I understand it well, you can now turn them both in to:
* Gedral of Ascalon [Vanguard Herald] inside the Eye of the North
* Kodan [Dwarven Recruitment Officer] in Gunnar's Hold
* Tyr the Skaald [Norn Storyteller] in Gunnar's Hold
* Lexx [Asuran Talent Scout] in Rata Sum
When doing so you get the listed reward. After turning them in you can get a new empty book and get it filled again for a fee. Now, you can turn them in to the other NPC's for the reputation points of the other groups.
>> Do I understand this right?? <<
If so, I'm experiencing a bug. I turned in my master dungeon guide for Vanguard points and got a new one which I 'refilled' again for a payment. But I can't turn in my heroes handbook, nor can I turn in any book to the other NPC's of the other groups (Like the dwarven)
Any explanations here? I'm talking about the normal mode books which I fully completed.
Edit: I learned that you cannot turn in a book when you are R8+ of a rank (Too bad, I already got R8 Dwarven by grinding). But still I have a new empty book which no NPC wants to update with the dungeons I've completed.
GloryFox
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| Now offically dead right? I wouldn't say so, two core skills got nerfed big time, gfte is junk now but AR could still have its usses, perhaps its just time for somthing diffrent ^^. Mabay we will see more paragons for their intended purposes as party support and then mabay some of those really really really crappy skills they have can get (re)buffed =D. |
Warriors, Assassins, Dervish and Rangers out DPS a paragon using paragon weapons while maintaining their armor.
Critical Strike Spears, better critical % unchanged armor.
Strength Spears, 5%-15% better Armor penetration unchanged armor.
Mytic Spears, Better Armor through forms and enchants + a non penalty IAS
Expertease Spears, Lower cost of energy for spear skills, good defensive skills, non - penalty IAS skills unchanged armor.
It used to be Leadership Spears, with DPS from GFTE and AR that could compete vs. other physical classes. These two skills are the core of every good Para build. Even if you force yourself to take the Remedy Signet. Thats an extra one second and skill you must now depend on every time you end a shout.
Monks & Ritualists can out Heal or Protect a party better than a Paragon. So where is the buffer aspect where has it now gone.
Whats the point of the Paragon when everything else is better than what you were designed to do in the first place?
SO YES THANKS TO THE PATHOLOGICAL BALANCE FANATICS THE PARAGON IS TRULY A DEAD CLASS.
KANE OG
A million SF Ele's just pissed their pants. Is anet TRYING to discourage new builds, or what?
KANE
KANE
Faer
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Tell me what a paragon now does that is different than another class?
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It's not the fault of the balance fanatics that so many people don't understand math and mechanics.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
I would officially say dead, yes, "the paragon is a dead class" it has no redeeming qualities now. Tell me what a paragon now does that is different than another class? It was difficult enough getting into a group as a Paragon. Now that 2 core skills got hit (2 of less than 25 reasonable skills left) public opinion places paragons below the desire of an assassin in the party. What role does a paragon now have in a party of eight? TNTF was good before the nerf, and at least you could get into a group with some expectation like an ele or necro when you walked into a town, and you could keep up DPS to contend with a BP Ranger. Now because of the PATHOLOGICAL BALANCE FANATICS this fine class will be dead in the minds of people looking to form groups for whatever. It's role as party buffer has been nerfed to hell and back on a consistent basis. Tell me what it can buff now? What does it do that is superior to any other class, whats it's role?
Warriors, Assassins, Dervish and Rangers out DPS a paragon using paragon weapons while maintaining their armor. Critical Strike Spears, better critical % unchanged armor. Strength Spears, 5%-15% better Armor penetration unchanged armor. Mytic Spears, Better Armor through forms and enchants + a non penalty IAS Expertease Spears, Lower cost of energy for spear skills, good defensive skills, non - penalty IAS skills unchanged armor. It used to be Leadership Spears, with DPS from GFTE and AR that could compete vs. other physical classes. These two skills are the core of every good Para build. Even if you force yourself to take the Remedy Signet. Thats an extra one second and skill you must now depend on every time you end a shout. Monks & Ritualists can out Heal or Protect a party better than a Paragon. So where is the buffer aspect where has it now gone. Whats the point of the Paragon when everything else is better than what you were designed to do in the first place? SO YES THANKS TO THE PATHOLOGICAL BALANCE FANATICS THE PARAGON IS TRULY A DEAD CLASS. |
Also, TWO skills for the paragon where nerfed (and 1 warrior skill they used a lot). If your build was so shallow that it couldn't recover, don't complain here. Granted, the paragon doesn't have a lot of good skills to choose from, but you can still make a viable bar.
I MP I
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Originally Posted by KANE OG
A million SF Ele's just pissed their pants. Is anet TRYING to discourage new builds, or what?
KANE |
Acehigh
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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl
I got some issues with master dungeon guide / heroes handbook:
If I understand it well, you can now turn them both in to: * Gedral of Ascalon [Vanguard Herald] inside the Eye of the North * Kodan [Dwarven Recruitment Officer] in Gunnar's Hold * Tyr the Skaald [Norn Storyteller] in Gunnar's Hold * Lexx [Asuran Talent Scout] in Rata Sum When doing so you get the listed reward. After turning them in you can get a new empty book and get it filled again for a fee. Now, you can turn them in to the other NPC's for the reputation points of the other groups. >> Do I understand this right?? << If so, I'm experiencing a bug. I turned in my master dungeon guide for Vanguard points and got a new one which I 'refilled' again for a payment. But I can't turn in my heroes handbook, nor can I turn in any book to the other NPC's of the other groups (Like the dwarven) Any explanations here? I'm talking about the normal mode books which I fully completed. |