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c0c0c0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

GREY

R/Mo

13 Oct 2007 at 13:19 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

Until such time as I can go buy my glasses or whatever else my heart desires without having to work on a title I don't want, it will always be to much.

It would be difficult for me to imagine a sentiment for which I could have less sympathy. There is no significant goal in this game that can not be achieved by simply playing through the game. Not one. No uber weapon, no invulnerable armor. Nothing. There are, however, quite a few items of esoteric value that can be gained if you want to work for them. They are nothing but flash, badges of honor.

I'm sorry but if you want bragging rights, you have to earn them. Otherwise, there is no point.

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

13 Oct 2007 at 13:22 - 42

I want to second Kakumei's agreement with Kas.

It is only grind if you're repeatedly making yourself do something you don't really want to. If that's really the case, please take a step back and think about taking a break from the game. It almost sounds like addiction.

With respect to Freek's prolific thread posting, I say keep it up. Any time Freek has a suggestion, it is always from the perspective of improving the game. He NEVER makes a post just to feel sorry for himself.

Too many other Guru posters write these interminable, self-pitying screeds - never Freek.

Do I agree with everything he posts? No. Do I want him to slow down? Hell no.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

13 Oct 2007 at 14:11 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by c0c0c0

It would be difficult for me to imagine a sentiment for which I could have less sympathy. There is no significant goal in this game that can not be achieved by simply playing through the game. Not one. No uber weapon, no invulnerable armor. Nothing. There are, however, quite a few items of esoteric value that can be gained if you want to work for them. They are nothing but flash, badges of honor.

I'm sorry but if you want bragging rights, you have to earn them. Otherwise, there is no point.

Now, you see, that argument makes me nauseous. I'm not saying you're wrong exactly - clearly Anet has designed these options to be hard earned. But to me it makes no sense that character customization should even be about honor or prestige, and certainly not "bragging rights".

Sure there's room for a few high-end expensive items, but everything in GW:EN locked down as some kind of achievement? Uuugh.

I suppose this argument comes down to Sloth vs Pride. I'd enjoy the game more if I could just drag my ass through it, picking up goodies along the way - others seem determined that everything should have a high cost, so everyone else knows how great they are for having them.

I'll never understand the mentality of the latter, but make no mistake, we're all damned for taking it this seriously.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

13 Oct 2007 at 14:15 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aethon

Grind is still grind, there's just less of it now.

It's like if someone keeps punching you, you think they're not nice. But then they slow down the punching and you think, "Wow, this is great because he isn't punching me as much as he could!"

Lol, so true.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

13 Oct 2007 at 14:21 - 45

It's a distraction from there real motives, the weekend makes it easy, but it's onl;y a weekend.

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Oct 2007 at 14:40 - 46

I would like my rep points to be increased, as I have handed in two hero books and a dungeon book prior to the update. Thats a missing 85,000 reputation points, 40-45% of the title I've been working on.

Haven't logged in yet, so I don't know if they did this yet.

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

13 Oct 2007 at 15:25 - 47

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

I don't care that the treadmill is easy to run; I resent being forced to be on a treadmill.

Sorry but this comment is nonesense. If you are being serious then it means that you resent having to do anything at all.
Just cause you have to walk out and kill something at least once doesn't make it a treadmill.
You only need 26k rep to get armour and you can easily get that by doing the dungeon book alone...

I am glad with this change cause now I can get my armours without grinding and that was the main point of the complaints so far.

I do agree that it is lame to start this thread the way the OP did. A bit silly really. By doing it he simply brought it up in the spotlight again instead of letting the complaints fade away...

Blame the Monks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 Oct 2007 at 15:38 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

Sorry but this comment is nonesense. If you are being serious then it means that you resent having to do anything at all.
Just cause you have to walk out and kill something at least once doesn't make it a treadmill.

A treadmill is being forced to perform repetitive acts for no other reason then to erect a barrier to accessing other parts of the game. Its sole purpose is to lengthen the game at the expense of fun. Why should I have to farm kournian packs just to move on? Why can't I move on when i feel ready? If you want to farm packs for fun, you can. But I can't move on without investing the hours of grinding. When I am forced to farm titles to advance in the storyline, its grind. Requiring you to beat a prior mission to advance is not grind, its normal gameplay. Requiring you to bring me 15 wolf pelts to pass is grind, and a major step away from quality gameplay.

Grinding for meaningless titles like seeker of wisdom and such promoted degenerate and unfun gameplay, but to make it worse the game started to reward grind by giving you better skills and so on purely because of grind. Now the game is requiring grind as a condition to advance in the storyline. This is horrible gameplay. Give me quality, don't force me to grind and call it content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grind_(gaming)

Lacroix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Gentlemen's Club

E/

13 Oct 2007 at 15:57 - 49

Blame the Monks, where and when exactly do you HAVE to farm the title to continue in GW:EN? I played through the game, and I beat it at r2-3 each title. I got all of those points through quests that were needed go through the game.

No one, no one, NO one is forcing you to grind/farm/do ANYthing for these titles.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

13 Oct 2007 at 16:11 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacroix

Blame the Monks, where and when exactly do you HAVE to farm the title to continue in GW:EN?

Therein lies the flaw. If you don't grind in GW:EN, all that there is is the main quest, which, clocking in about 9-10 hours so I hear, is not worth the $40 for EotN (and is also the reason I still refuse to purchase it).

Although the books help out a ton, it's still a masochistic tendency toward nihilism.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

13 Oct 2007 at 16:13 - 51

I think people are forgetting that GWEN is an expansion and not a separate campaign, and as such, is content only for those who are bored with everything else and need some new activities to hold them over. So to me, it makes sense that you have to play through everything to get something out of it. If you're handed items and armors on a silver platter a few days into the game, you're going to be bored again and whine about having nothing to do afterwards.

A lot of people already got r5 in at least one faction (or very close) by playing through the game before this update - that's casual, not hardcore gamers. If you leave getting r5 in Deldrimor for dungeons, which is going to be very easily achieved since you're tackling them all, and use your books for another faction, that's at the very least two r5s after completing the game. It really should be three, because you're probably going to have a good number of points all over, and a single book will push you to the armor crafter. You have two books. Then you're left with one other title track, which you can either ignore or go after if you have nothing else to do in GW.

But please don't make it seem like having to play through all the content in GWEN is somehow a chore and you should be entitled to armors beforehand. If you don't want GWEN missions and dungeons, then just don't play at all and forget about the expansion entirely. It's not for you. Plenty of other people however are having fun.

Lacroix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Gentlemen's Club

E/

13 Oct 2007 at 16:28 - 52

Whether or not you believe the cost of the game justifies the amount of content in it is up to you. I paid the $40, yes, and I fully enjoyed the game for what it was.

That "flaw" has, quite honestly, nothing to do with the argument. The fact of the matter was that people felt that they needed to grind their way through the title, when, in reality... they didn't.

Also, you're just including the main quest in your 9-10 hours. What about the optional dungeons? The side quests? Learning a bit more lore about the game's world. While it may not add 100 hours to the game, it was fun.

warren_kn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

London, England

13 Oct 2007 at 17:21 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karyuu

I think people are forgetting that GWEN is an expansion and not a separate campaign, and as such, is content only for those who are bored with everything else and need some new activities to hold them over. So to me, it makes sense that you have to play through everything to get something out of it. If you're handed items and armors on a silver platter a few days into the game, you're going to be bored again and whine about having nothing to do afterwards.

A lot of people already got r5 in at least one faction (or very close) by playing through the game before this update - that's casual, not hardcore gamers. If you leave getting r5 in Deldrimor for dungeons, which is going to be very easily achieved since you're tackling them all, and use your books for another faction, that's at the very least two r5s after completing the game. It really should be three, because you're probably going to have a good number of points all over, and a single book will push you to the armor crafter. You have two books. Then you're left with one other title track, which you can either ignore or go after if you have nothing else to do in GW.

But please don't make it seem like having to play through all the content in GWEN is somehow a chore and you should be entitled to armors beforehand. If you don't want GWEN missions and dungeons, then just don't play at all and forget about the expansion entirely. It's not for you. Plenty of other people however are having fun.

QFT.

In addition, as unlike some people I don't do +1 count posts I'll add onto this that not only is the game not for some people, but the genre of game.

Apart from the SS points, of which you need pitifully few, there is no comulsory grind in this game. So what if extra points improve your PvE skills, it's still optional. If you feel you absolutely MUST max out that title to make that skill uber powerful, that's your deficiency not the game's. There's nothing masochistic about it. Don't do it if you don't like doing it.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

13 Oct 2007 at 19:53 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estic

40k is for dungeon's. Hero handbook is 20k in normal mode. See: Click

Note that the dungeon book is above the hero book and not the other way around.

Ok I got that a bit wrong, but 20k is still alot and helps get you from on rank to another very easily.

Bankai

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Bubblegum Dragons

Mo/E

13 Oct 2007 at 20:14 - 55

Wow.

I really can't understand the bitching.

I could understand the bitching of people about how they couldn't get the r5 armors.

Now, ANet added a way to easily get to r5.

And people start bitching that it takes long to max the title.

Maxing a title is supposed to be only for those who are willing to waste a lot of time.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

13 Oct 2007 at 20:23 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

I don't care that the treadmill is easy to run; I resent being forced to be on a treadmill.

You don't need to get any of the GWEN titles to beat the campaign. Your complaint is not as legitimate as the one against Sunspear title.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

13 Oct 2007 at 20:33 - 57

Quote:

It would be difficult for me to imagine a sentiment for which I could have less sympathy. There is no significant goal in this game that can not be achieved by simply playing through the game. Not one. No uber weapon, no invulnerable armor. Nothing. There are, however, quite a few items of esoteric value that can be gained if you want to work for them. They are nothing but flash, badges of honor.

I'm sorry but if you want bragging rights, you have to earn them. Otherwise, there is no point.

Oh, yes, I had a great time last night running around LA shouting in all chat "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I HAVE NORN ARMOR!!". I bought it for the way it looks, not the bragging rights. If you're buying it for bragging rights you have other issues to worry about.

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As far as I know, there is no Norn/Vanguard/Asuran reputation point bonus for actually finishing the game. So you're stuck with staying in a specific area to get those points. Then you can do the quests, that netted me about 7k reputation points, and after that you have the dungeons. I can't go in the dungeons, at least not now, becuase I don't have the time it takes to finish a five level dungeon. Finishing that two level dungeon outside of Sifhalla was a stretch for me, time wise. So the only option left for the other 19k of reputation was to kill everything in Varajar Falls 10+ times. Woot.

I would like to iterate, yet again, that I do not mind having to do the work to get the armor. If the requirement for getting the armor crafter was story based, not title based, where you have to finish a series of five, or even ten quests, I would be happy with that. What I resent is having to go out and repetatively kill things so that I can get to a superfluous limit that was arbitrarally set. None of the other games had a limit for buying things. The only thing even remotely comparable are the Luxon/Kruzick merchants in the towns, and those titles are account wide so you don't have to do it more than once.

Or make it so that it is account wide, and I can earn this reputation by playing through with my characters, and I don't have to do it more than once.

Or make it so that at the end of the game you directly get 26,000 in each reputation title for finishing the main storyline. Defeating the Great Destroyer should be a worthy enough task for 26,000 points, don'tcha think?

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

13 Oct 2007 at 20:35 - 58

A certain segment of the community is never going to stop complaining about the fact that they have to play the game to get rewards. Presumably these are the same people that play through FPS games in god mode and give themselves a billion dollars to start with in SimCity. I've never understood the mentality, I never will, but Anet has definitely gone out of their way to accommodate it at this point. That's fine, but surely we're at a reasonable compromise point now, no matter how much some people want everything for free (don't ask me what they plan to do with it, since it you get everything for no effort there's no more game to play anyway).

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

13 Oct 2007 at 20:37 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

As far as I know, there is no Norn/Vanguard/Asuran reputation point bonus for actually finishing the game.

Finish the game and hand in a heroes handbook and you get 20k faction of your choice. So yes, there is, and it's huge. Do the same in hard mode and it's even better. At this point all you have to do to get rank 5 in the track of your choice is play through the game and do some quests in that area. That's IT. Anyone still complaining is complaining about having to play the game at all, from what I can tell, or hasn't read the update.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

13 Oct 2007 at 20:44 - 60

I had rank 3 in the Norn title track way before finishing the missions. But I was also hugging the walls to explore each zone in full as I first entered it, instead of immediately following the green arrow each and every time. I never farmed Norn points, I never zoned in and out to make several repeated runs. Bam, r3. Finish all the missions to complete your Hero Handbook, and bam, Norn armor.

Don't make it seem so difficult, it's certainly not true.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

13 Oct 2007 at 23:17 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Hearted Zero

lol its called work for what u want,

geez this so called grind in gw is absolute nth, look at other games and u will see what real grind is

First....Work =/= Game
Second...change your guild in your avatar, it is wrong.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

13 Oct 2007 at 23:29 - 62

Quote:

Anyone still complaining is complaining about having to play the game at all

Yea, because I don't equate playing with randomly killing things for no apparent reason.

I don't know why some people seem so intellectually limited around here. It's not that difficult. Some of us don't like GWEN titles. We don't want titles. We don't care about titles. We want a game to play that is challenging and fun, and we don't think stupid titles are fun. I don't care if ANet maxes all my titles, I'm still not going to be happy, because I spent $40 on a weak content expansion with a huge emphasis on pointless titles.

What's so complicated about that? What is confusing your poor, haggard mind in relation to that complaint? Titles weren't fun five years ago when they were in Asheron's Call, they're not fun now in any of the dozen grindfests out there, including GWEN. If YOU like it, fine, but that doesn't mean I do, and I'm probably never going to.

In before some retard says if I don't care I should say anything about it even though I'm only responding to someone else's topic.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

W/Rt

13 Oct 2007 at 23:36 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Some of us don't like GWEN titles. We don't want titles. We don't care about titles. We want a game to play that is challenging and fun, and we don't think stupid titles are fun.

That's nice. Some of us think otherwise. If you're not having fun, then please look for something else instead of wasting your time here. What are you accomplishing?

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

13 Oct 2007 at 23:58 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Yea, because I don't equate playing with randomly killing things for no apparent reason.

You don't have to any more. I don't know why you insistently don't get that, and I don't care. Turn in a handbook, do some quests, and you're done. No random repetitive killing required. Now quit whining.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

14 Oct 2007 at 00:03 - 65

Quote:

That's nice. Some of us think otherwise. If you're not having fun, then please look for something else instead of wasting your time here.

Like I already said: in before retard who blames me for responding to something someone else started.

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You don't have to any more.

You really are so insanely self-centered that you just can't understand this, aren't you? You really just can't fathom that other people may be displeased with a product that you are pleased with, can you? You just can't imagine that anybody would disagree with you.

Incredible. Truly incredible.

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

14 Oct 2007 at 00:11 - 66

wtb title tracks not linked to skills.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

14 Oct 2007 at 00:41 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Like I already said: in before retard who blames me for responding to something someone else started.

in before catchphrase oh wait too late

Quote:

You really are so insanely self-centered that you just can't understand this, aren't you? You really just can't fathom that other people may be displeased with a product that you are pleased with, can you? You just can't imagine that anybody would disagree with you.

Incredible. Truly incredible.

What the hell? What's "self-centered" about informing you that you don't need to grind a title to get what you want anymore? If anything, it sounds like Vinraith is trying to help you.

It's fine if you (not just you, ctb, all of you) didn't like Eye of the North. That's perfectly fine and dandy, people have different tastes, et cetera. But why on earth you people spend so much of your time complaining about a product that doesn't really have very much objectively wrong with it--short length and recycled content are generally its major flaws.

I know, you spent $40 on a product you're not happy with. I'm sorry. It happens. You make bad purchases, you regret them, and you move on. It's like buying a case of a new soda, deciding you don't like it, and then writing letter after letter to Pepsi Co. telling them how unsatisfied you were with their new product.

Let it go. Some people are very happy with Eye of the North, and this update has only made the game better.

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

14 Oct 2007 at 00:49 - 68

this is a fantastic update, and i may actually decide to try to max thse on some of my other charcaters. Already from vanquishing 5 of the norn maps and completign two of the hero quest i have jumped up from 60k to 110k.

it takes some work but its fun and worth it. obviously woudl taek longer normally without the weekend event. I handed in a completed hero book normal mode, paid 800 gold to fill in 8 pages and got 20k of asuran reputation 40k of xp and 4k of gold, damn that was a good investment!

I'm now tryign to fill in the hard mode book lol, hope to do that over a few days

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

14 Oct 2007 at 01:07 - 69

Quote:

What the hell? What's "self-centered" about informing you that you don't need to grind a title to get what you want anymore? If anything, it sounds like Vinraith is trying to help you.

Yup, at this point he's complaining about things that aren't true anymore, but still manages to fling in a few personal insults for anyone with the gall to point out to him that his complaints have been addressed. I'm beginning to understand how Anet customer service must feel.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

14 Oct 2007 at 02:47 - 70

Quote:

Finish the game and hand in a heroes handbook and you get 20k faction of your choice. So yes, there is, and it's huge. Do the same in hard mode and it's even better. At this point all you have to do to get rank 5 in the track of your choice is play through the game and do some quests in that area. That's IT. Anyone still complaining is complaining about having to play the game at all, from what I can tell, or hasn't read the update.

Ah, okay. I did read the update, but I couldn't understand what they meant. This makes things easier now.

Still, I stand by the idea that the titles should not have anything to do with aquiring items.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

14 Oct 2007 at 10:13 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Yea, because I don't equate playing with randomly killing things for no apparent reason.

I don't know why some people seem so intellectually limited around here. It's not that difficult. Some of us don't like GWEN titles. We don't want titles. We don't care about titles. .

Then dont increase the titles past rank 5 (which is easy to get). No one is forcing you. How could such an intellectual person think otherwise!

Your only annoyed because you want your nice pve only skills, maxed out without havng to use the ranks.

Yet your intellectual self, doesnt seem to grasp that those pve only skills arent critical to anything and they are just as effective at lower ranks.

No one is forcing you to do any of the grinding stuff ingame. its all optional. If you then spend hours increasn norn, asura, vanguard or drawf ranks becuse your ego wants stronger skills and wants to be better then Joe Blogg next to you... thats your own daft fault.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 10:37 - 72

I'm pretty sure the whole reason why people are complaining about grind is the fact that GW:EN has about as much depth storywise as a teaspoon.

It takes what?10 hours or so to complete GW:EN?Maybe even less?

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 10:50 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

I'm pretty sure the whole reason why people are complaining about grind is the fact that GW:EN has both as much depth storywise as a teaspoon.

It takes what?10 hours or so to complete GW:EN?Maybe even less?

Don't speak sense, it doesn't belong here.

Can't you see? This is just another Anet's worshipping ground.

milan

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

BONE

N/

14 Oct 2007 at 10:58 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Don't speak sense, it doesn't belong here.

Can't you see? This is just another Anet's worshipping ground.

There is a really big clue that perhaps you missed 'Fan site'.

GWEN is shorter than I would have liked yes, but then again I can complete faction and nightfall in 10 hours as well.

If you are really that dissatisfied with the expansion simply don't play it. Yes it sucks to buy something that you then turn out not to like but we've all done it at some point in our lives. The difference between you and most other people is the ability to get over it and move on.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

14 Oct 2007 at 11:06 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

I'm pretty sure the whole reason why people are complaining about grind is the fact that GW:EN has about as much depth storywise as a teaspoon.

It takes what?10 hours or so to complete GW:EN?Maybe even less?

Definitely less. I completed Nightfall in a day. It was a mistake I didn't want to repeat with GW:EN. 2 days and that was me REAAAAAALLY dragging it out and doing everything.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

14 Oct 2007 at 11:16 - 76

gw is the illusion that grind = content

eotn is probably the least content / greatest grind introduced of any expansion, and I go way back.........this sh1t is shallow as a teaspoon, as was said

ParanoidDenny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

EOM

14 Oct 2007 at 11:51 - 77

Maybe the reason EotN was so short, looked rushed and quickly put out for a profit is because it's a free to play MMO, had it been a sub based game maybe a better structured, better looking, more content, better layed out game would have been released.

Cold Hearted Zero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Gotass Community [gA]

14 Oct 2007 at 11:53 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

First....Work =/= Game
Second...change your guild in your avatar, it is wrong.

work: exertion or effort directed to produce or accomplish something.

grind to accomplish something

and yea forgot to change my guild in avatar :P ty ^^ but how did u know it was wrong :S ?

about the grind in gw. Tbh im glad there is some grind in it, it keeps people busy while they make more stuff for the game.

cba to write more :S

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

14 Oct 2007 at 12:00 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

What the hell? What's "self-centered" about informing you that you don't need to grind a title to get what you want anymore? If anything, it sounds like Vinraith is trying to help you.

It's fine if you (not just you, ctb, all of you) didn't like Eye of the North. That's perfectly fine and dandy, people have different tastes, et cetera. But why on earth you people spend so much of your time complaining about a product that doesn't really have very much objectively wrong with it--short length and recycled content are generally its major flaws.

I know, you spent $40 on a product you're not happy with. I'm sorry. It happens. You make bad purchases, you regret them, and you move on. It's like buying a case of a new soda, deciding you don't like it, and then writing letter after letter to Pepsi Co. telling them how unsatisfied you were with their new product.

Let it go. Some people are very happy with Eye of the North, and this update has only made the game better.

QFT, I endorse everything said in here. While EotN was nice when it came out (because of Jora and Livia mainly), HM made it much more fun and rewarding to redo quests and dungeons

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 12:32 - 80

just wondering what people think is beating the game?
rushing through doing only the primarys then yes its shallow
but i think your mising out on most of the content .and in my opinion
have no right to moan about any thing

if on the other hand you have beat the primarys done the 18 dungeons
and all the side quests if you still dont like it then yes you can moan.

and to the lvl 4 dude i had an argument with in droknars yes im a noob
and no not everyone gets run every where to get the max armour.
some of us like to work for our shit.

not sure but id imagine having to actualy play the game to get the cool armour was the goal of a-net in the first place

last time i looked this was a pve game you know quests missions killing stuff.
you do the work you get the reward

as for grind it all reative i love getting my titles love farming so its not grind ever in fact id love a lot more.