There won't be titles in GW2, right?

Lol thas tellin em. The whinners will always whine there's no use even talking to them. They will rationalize by being irrational. I forgot that you shouldn't feed the lil trolls.

Bazompora, i would love to know why you think your the only one entitled to an opinion here? And when anyone says anything in favour of titles, you tell them they're wrong.

I agree with you on some points, but you take it too far.

Yes, PvP elitism based on ranks, should go. Yes, the "we accept the guy with highest LB rank" attitude in DoA, should go. Yes, making us grind for armour in GW:EN was just not needed. But some of your points are flawed.

You say Treasure hunter / Lucky / Wisdom are compulsory? How? Because you get a bit less % of breaking things you salvage? A tad more % of a gold dropping? Don't you think the people putting that time in for the ranks, deserve that bit more %? And people like you who sit and whine that you don't want to do it, also deserve that little reward? It IN NO WAY effects gameplay.

You say all you want to do is play the game. Luck / salvaged based titles 1) do not stop you completing missions. 2) do not stop you completing quests. 3) do not stop you buying w/e the hell you want. These 3, amongst tons of others (drunkard i believe you mentioned too.. lol) are completely optional.

They are there, so that people who want to, have something else to do. Titles that revolve around causing elitism or to progress with the story should go, but not optional titles that give you a little bonus for grinding it.

You tell em dan. These people that whine about grind just don't want anyone else to be happy because they are not happy. The ole trolls at work at their best. None of these features affect them yet they scream bloody murder like they do. It just makes me laugh even more.

I hope there are more titles in GW2 than GW1 that DO directly effect game play. Honestly they all should. A veteran is just that and deserves some way to distinguish them selves from the noob. I have literally wasted hundreds of hours trying to pug just to have the group fail via, insert all the pug defects here. YES, I discriminate and have been discriminated against, and rightly so. People ESPECIALLY those with limited time no longer want to waste it on the under experienced.

If my title directly tells people "I have some inkling of a clue" then yes I'll proudly wear it. Also for the record I gave up on pugs about 6 months ago. I only play with my guildies and alliance members.

On to all the people crying skill>time. Without time you have no skill. Luck maybe but skill no. The proof is this: an apprentice, followed by the journyman , and lastly the master this is also reflected in there pay. so time = skill. Not to mention that games, like communities evolve. Either learn to adapt (that means play) or go the way of the dinosaur, we won't miss you.

Let titles in GW2 be any title you have transfered via HoM in GW with no functionality whatsoever. Any reward given to people in GW2 for titles in GW should be purely cosmetic, allowing such players to separate themselves from others based on titles earned in GW, but not allowing them to gain an advantage over people with no titles transferred to GW nor the people who may have transferred a different title.

Done.

GW2 people who played GW and got special titles could only be set apart by appearance. Does this mean that they should be considered better than people without those titles?

Absolutely. Because they will have spent more time with the game achieving that certain goal, they should be rightfully considered to be better than the average person that has not achieved such a title.

Room for elitism? You bet, but good luck with solving an issue like that. Elitism will be around as long as competition is around, which will always be around when you have people that want to be better than others in a game.

Actually ... no.
I started out by showing how certain title tracks tax the players for not grinding them:This quote also explains my position better, than the part you quoted:However, you did get my point:Exactly.

How's automatic taxation for not grinding optional? I never was given the option to be exempted from this.


If there's anyone taking it too far, it is you: you couldn't fire my arguments, so you fire on me instead.
And of course I show people they're wrong, when they are; this is a discussion, not a socialisation project. But I never stated noone else is entitled to an opinion. In fact, you're the one who's attacking me on sharing my opinion.
If one decides not to indulge in grinding titles, he's down to 50% succesfull salvage, thus 1 chance on 2 to destroy valuable items and absolutely abominable circumstances for extracting costy bonuses from costy items; maxing the Treasure Hunter title and the Wisdom title gives one 92% succesfull salvage, thus only 1 chance on 12.5 to destroy valuable items! And you call dividing failure by 6 (and a quarter) a tad more?
No; the title itself is the reward. Tax reduction shouldn't be an additional reward for grinding, as a tax on playing instead of working shouldn't be there in the first place. Workers allready gain more for playing more, so there's no need to additionally and artificially widen the gap.
Again: tax reduction from a discriminating tax shouldn't be a reward, for such taxing shouldn't be there in the first place.
IT DOES affect gameplay: those who refuse to grind these titles earn less and have to farm more for their "income" (money to pay in-game expenses).
Playing the game means more than only playing missions and quests.
While these titles do not stop me completely (100% gain reduction), they do slow me down (up to 42% and 39% gain reduction, salvage and lockpicks respectively).
No, I did not! We have the evidence in front of us (this thread), so why even attempt to disgrace me with lies?
Oh, I don't plee against the titles being there for grinders; I plee against non-grinders being disadvanted for not enjoying grind.
You surprise me; elitism is the prime motivator for maxing titles and story-progress titles are the mildest in grind.
A /rank emote is a bonus; giving grinders advantages over players is discriminiation.


No. I want everyone to be happy, "players" and "grinders", instead of "players" having to be less happy so "grinders" can be considered "happier" than them.


You do realise that noone will then credit your victories to professionalism, but to your accumulated advantage. In fact, your successes will not prove you better than a "noob" anymore.
Oh really? Then how comes some people immediately get the hang at a game, while others need exercise to improve?
And apprentices can surpass their masters in life. So your equation doesn't hold.

So, you're telling me how not going for titles taxes people.

First off, it doesn't tax you at all the way I see it. It simply adds benefit (a small one) to those who do decide to follow the title. The system is based upon merit. In other words, you get what you work for.

Second off, we are talking about titles in GW2, nothing guarantees that the titles in GW2 will have any benefit associated with them. A title needs to be nothing more than that. A way to show, that this is what I did, and something to show where your focus in the game is.

ahhh, young apprentice but then they are a master.


btw the rest of what you wrote to my post makes little or no sense at all.

Heh, right, people do the drok's run to get max armor because of the survivor title. Newsflash, people have been doing that since the beginning of the game.

Titles haven't ruined anything. They've added options for you to go for if you want to. If you consider them grind, don't bloody worry about them, and stop complaining that someone else gets some text under their name that you don't have.

What people need to realize is that no one is forcing you to do anything.

First, some people, like myself, ENJOY getting titles (most of them not even for the in-game benefit, but for the sense of achievement).

Second, for the titles that DO confer an in-game benefit and you don't get a sense of achievement: you want that extra +dmg vs demons(as an example, although this logic works for all others)? Sure, it may be grind. However, in YOUR opinion, is it worth grinding to get it? If yes, the do it. If you DON'T think it's worth it, then don't do it. No need to tell others that the can't get the benifit (in-game or fun/sense of achievement) if they think it is worth it for them.

As a side note: yes, doesn't solve a problem: elitists. And you know what? Take away titles, and they will STILL find some way to be "elite". Titles don't make elitists, PLAYERS do. (And yes, that was an intentional reference to the saying about guns.)

EDIT: whoops, quite a bit more interesting posts than I had read before posting...
You DO realize you are discussing ELITE armor in GWEN? EotN armor is elite enough to be expensive, but not elite enough to require putting work into getting them?

Ill take a stab at it. You don't. You can use PvE-only skills if you want to AND if you think it is worth it. Just because you don't think its worth it to bring a low rank title-based skill because either a) you don't want to grind on principle or b) you don't think it is worth it, does NOT mean that no one should be able to grind to make that skill better.

What if there weren't any grind-based objectives in GW at all? Everyone just wants to play the game. Let's even assume that everyone bought all campaigns + EotN + 2 character slots for a PvE toon of each profession. Complete story-based objectives on one character, maybe even all of them, then rinse and repeat for other characters and objectives. Then what? You have 10 characters with nothing left to do because the only thing there was to do was story-based, and you did it all. What an interesting game. *rolls eyes*

Who says they are compulsory? Oh, right. SS rank for native characters. Fine, get ANet to remove that req for doing the primary quests. Problem solved, and titles remain unchanged. Now before someone replies saying LB is compulsory for DoA, you must first define compulsory. For what? Completing the storyline?

It works the same as in real life. How's automatic taxation for not working optional? (IE this "automatic taxation" is not getting paid) I never was given the option to be exempted from this. It's optional because you have the choice of whether or not you think it is worth it to grind (or in my example above, to work).

As others have said, this is why there are Perfect Salvage Kits. Don't have EotN? Buy 'em from a player. Don't want to spent some money on it? If it's worth making a fuss about a high % salvage, its worth spending the money on the kit.

Quite right. It also, among things YOU enjoy, can mean having FUN working on titles.

Says who? HA? DoA? Thank you for showing me that my way of fun that doesn't discriminate between different strangers is elitism.

Then why crusade against some players avenue of fun? Is other's fun only important once your fun has been established? Also, since when are "grinders" not "players"?

Seriously, why do lazy people think that just because there is benefit A in doing action B, they MUST receice benefit A in order to experience the game to it's fullest. (Possible exception: DoA, but see above)

It's jealousy, it's always been about jealousy when it came to grind. Those that don't have the TIME are jealous of those that do. It's why they harp on skill>time excuse all the time. It's their only scape goat now, but, that's just what that excuse is now just a GOAT it serves not much purpose as it did before. Grind has arrived in GW and grind is here to stay in GW and in GW2 I would imagine. Titles are fun to grind for. PVE only skills an increasing their power is fun to grind for. It makes me stand out amongst those that don't have the TIME to get them. I get in groups all the time with my maxed out Lightbringer rank. I get in groups all the time with my maxed out Factions PVE only skills. So, yes some things DISTINGUISH me from others because I put in the TIME to get them and now I am popular and wanted and loved by entire communities inside the game. Long live grind and titles.

Could we quit the e-p33n slapping contest some time soon please?


Personally, I don't give a toss whether titles are included or not... as it doesn't make a shred of difference as far as I'm concerned (provided any that ARE included are potentially ignorable).

Yeah, original game design we've seen in Proph doesn't mean anything.
Replace GW2 with 'another generic MMO, like World of Grindcraft or Grindage'.

Good thing people don't have to put their skill to get pve skills maxed, otherwise they may not be able to get em ;o

I enjoy the titles, because the titles related to stuff like mapping, doing the missions in hard mode and normal mode and stuff like that remind me that there are parts of the game that are incomplete. Yeah, anyone can 'pass' the game, but did u pass all of it? Titles are related to achievements. For me, i have not completed the game until i have unlocked all of the achievements.

And the best part of the titles is YOU DONT NEED TO DO THEM. The only title that really matters at all in the game is the Hero title, which has got to do with the expirience of the player, which is fair enough if you ask me.

Sorry but if you think doing titles is making you a veteran, you need to look at them a bit more...
The only veteran titles I can think about are Protectors/Guardians and the PvP titles. They don't give you any advantage, except some more Baltha for the PvP's, but that's not really important as most PvP-ranked people have unlocked everything. Most of the rest are just about doing something mindlessly.
-Gamer/Lucky/Unlucky : stay AFK on some heavy-lag day (omigod ur so skillz!!1).
-Survivor : either take a farming build and hope you don't die, or play with henches and a selfheal build. (of course if you play good enough to not die I will consider it skill).
-LDoA : find a Strider. Take off your armor. Come back on the next day. Kill the Strider. Find a Strider...
-Drunkard/Sweet Tooth : click on an icon all day.
-Wisdom : buy un-id objects for 1K and hope you're lucky.
-Treasure Hunter : find a spot. Open the chest. Come back to town. Open the chest.
-Skill Hunter : a bit less of a grind, but still it doesn't show you're skilled, only you have lots of gold. Look for bosses in GuildWiki. Buy a signet of capture. Kill them.
-Legendary Cartographer : look the blurred places on your map. If you need help, download Textmod.
-Sunspear/Lightbringer/GWEN titles/Factions Titles : the ones we're complaining about. Go out of town, kill mobs, if you aren't bored already and if you're working on the GWEN's redo the primaries/dungeons and give someone a book.


BTW, you don't NEED titles to finish the game. But they are of an enormous help. For example, interrupt + Pain Inverter = -40% of the Great Destoyer's life. He's a boss. An easy boss, but still a boss.

I don't blame grinding, and if you like it, it's your choice, and you should have the pleasure to do it whenever you want and showing off, that's not my problem.
My problem is that Anet now rewards grind with something USEFUL.

I'd actually be inclined to agree with you on that point.

I certainly have no issue with titles when they are JUST titles..... but when other rewards are being given out for grinding the titles, not only are those titles going to become more common.... but many people aren't doing it for the title itself so much as the bonus that comes with it.

I mean... how many people seriously want the Dwarven Titles for their own sake? Do you think I like walking around labelled as a Daring Delver? Is it supposed to be some sort of reference to private activities with Jora?

Only a few amongst the newer titles do I actually like the sound of.... such as my Rit having Rank 3 Norn (Slayer of Nightmares)... which is very appropriate for a Rit but sadly won't last very long. The Asuran Max-Rank title (Not Too Shabby) is something I say a lot IRL too, so that is one I'm quite likely to wear when I get it, though much of the impact is taken off by the rest of the title track and that people identify it as nothing more than "Asuran Max-Rank".


Titles aren't just titles any more; they're a system... a proxy for other things.
I just don't like that.

Wow, you're the biggest argument against grind I've heard yet!

Glad you're popular somewhere though!

(I hope, for your sake, you were being sarcastic?)

Certain titles, imo, need to come back for GW2.

If there is a Hero's Ascent or something like it, there has to be Fame and Rank and stuff. (Although, everyone except rank 9+'s hate rank discrimination.) If there are Random and Team Arenas, I think there should be glad titles.

Things like Wisdom (WTB UnID's ch33p!) and Treasure Hunter (WTB Keys!) and survivor title (I hate it when you're doing a mission and someone exits the game before they die so they can save for survivor) need to be abolished.

Vice versa.
PvP e-p33n titles need to be abolished.
PvE titles for random stuff need to be relegated to merely "pretty" status and kept.

Since when is LB required for anything at all? I finished NF without achieving even the first rank, and had zero difficulties. Zero, and it's all been with H/H. All this "It's required! It gives you advantages!" boo-hooing is very amusing to me.

Keep titles! They are fun, they give me something to do when I'm done with the main campaigns, and they certainly don't make your game any less enjoyable if you don't want to do them. Don't deceive yourselves

They make your character less efficient, Einstein.

Thanks, Sherlock! Unfortunately, that "efficiency" is more often than not quite insignificant unless you're a perfectionist on the inside I've yet to use a single LB skill, and yet to suffer any difficulty because of it. I've yet to desire any GWEN skill above r5 because I'm not doing a satisfactory enough job without it.

What's your argument? "I could be even better if I give in to the grind"? Sure. Will you go "Holy crap, I really sucked before!"? Nuh-uh.

You're missing the point. I don't enjoy grinding for the sake of grinding. In fact, I get tired of it if I do too much of it. However, I do enjoy the sense of achievement attained from polishing off the achievement, in spite of the fact that I may have been grinding to get it.

If you don't want titles to have an in-game effect, fine. But ask for GW2 titles to not have an effect rather than asking for titles to be absent from GW2.

I fire on you, because your being an arse to anyone who disagrees.


Show me.

You never stated that, no. But you attack them based on the opinion "titles should stay". I'm not attacking you because your opinion is different to mine. I'm attacking you because of the way you state it.


They deserve that 92% because they put the time in!!! You make such a big deal over a title that is not worth much. No, you don't lose out on much more money. What, you wana salvage that perf gold mod but not risk breaking your req13 axe? Oh shit..



The way you describe "earn less" is way different to how it actually is. I have never had issues with salvaging. If i want to keep both the item AND salvage a mod, i use a perfect salvage kit. Loot scaling effected the ability to make money, not titles. End of.

You know what? Just don't grind. These disadvantages you speak of are very small and pretty pathetic.


I have never read so much bullshit. You want you to be happy, and you only. If your happy, you don't care whether everyone else is. As long as titles are removed so you get your way, you don't give a dam about how those people feel who want titles to stay.

That's what I've asked, if you read my messages, I want people who like grinding to be able to do it.
But I don't see why a gamer could be a privilegiee because of their game style.

I don't agree with the OP in the fact that there would not be any title in GW2 ; there would be, but not some which give you advantages. The rainbow phoenix is a good example of what kind of things you could get when you max a title : it's beautiful and rare, but if you don't have it, nobody is gonna kick you from a party (or they would be utterly stupid).

My mistake. I must have not noticed this due to the fact that the topic was apparently started to get rid of titles, and that everyone else is either crusading against titles or supporting them. You just happen to be arguing with suppoerters, so I lumped you in with the crusaders.

I'm totally for that Titles like Vanquisher and Guardian (and the much less serious Sweet Tooth, Ale Hound, etc.) are just fun to have. Some show your dedication to spending time in the game world, others make people question your mental stability ("You spent WHAT on alcohol..?") but overall, titles like that are harmless rewards for player time.

I'd vote for eliminating anything with any increases in skills or chances, to make people completely happy, but otherwise - lemme keep my fun, dangit :]

And you've yet to use LB title which gives dmg reduction and + dmg ? Hah!

No wait, why should I feel a great need to use LB-related titles and skills if my current build and party setup does an awesome job already? I don't feel pressed to grind, although I will anyway since I want another max for my KoBD. Hah indeed... o.O

kthxfail?

I think a stereotype is forming in my head. Anti-titles people are whiners.

Seriously, QQ moar plz. If you don't want to grind and don't want to "suffer", gtfo and go play another game. You bought Guild Wars, titles are a main part of Guild Wars, deal with it. I personally would like titles in GW2 because there are certain ones I think the grind is worth it, but I have no problems with titles that I don't want to grind.

If you don't like titles, don't buy Guild Wars, or Guild Wars 2 as the case may be. You all talk about "how the game used to be" and "how the game is supposed to be", and yet, none of you are devs at Anet. Don't like, go find something else to do. No one is forcing you to spend money on Guild Wars.

Is it possible that LB and Lucky were bad ideas, but theat titles in general aren't? I think the success rate for salvaging lockpicks with low-level "lucky" title is completely goddamn horrible. I have similar reservations about LB, but I think people are making too big a deal out of it. Any DoA team worth its salt (e.g., one that knows how to not crater in the opening minutes) realizes that high-rank LB is a bonus rather than a requirement; I've done DoA runs with r1 LB's and no one had a problem with it. If a group requires its members to be a certain level LB, they're probably doing something wrong to begin with.

That said, the argument about LB utility goes out the window once we realize that PvE pugs are usually fail anyway and that you should really probably prefer DoAing with friends or guildies, who probably won't care about your LB rank. The only title that's really borked is Lucky/Unlucky, and that has more to do with the salvage success rates than the fact that it exists in the first place.

But back to the point, right around the time Factions was getting ready to come out, I felt like there wasn't much left for me to do in the game. I had beaten the campaign on two or three characters and gone through the endgame content (well, FoW... my UW groups all tanked within minutes), and was left with a vague feeling of boredom. Sure, I could farm and get a weapon that looked a little prettier than my Runic Hammer, but the idea never really won me over. Titles gave me compartmentalized goals to aim for; new mission tracks, of a sort, to work towards over time. They added direction to a game that was rapidly losing it. Saying that titles "killed" GW is an ignorant and oversimplistic way of looking at things--if it has lost any players or activity over time I would guess Skill Balance would be a much more productive culprit. It may have dulled some peoples' resolve to play the game (especially if they don't actually have any titles, which I imagine most of the people calling for their abolition don't), but based on what I've seen in the last two years I'm going to have to disagree. It's hard to remember now just what kind of effect their introduction had at the time, but it sure seems to me that they've been reasonably successful over time, based on the titles I've seen.

I'm hoping ANet takes movements like this with a grain of salt. We should realize that most players do not have high-end titles, which is why (duh) they're high-end titles. Humanity in general (I'm not picking on anyone here, honest) has a tendancy to overreact to things like this: if someone sets their house on fire by dropping a cigarette in a couch on a porch, we ban couches on porches. If someone flies a couple of planes into the world trade center, we stop letting people take toothpaste and baby formula on planes and invade he Middle East. If people don't like or can't get titles, they strive to eliminate them. I realize the parallels I've drawn are a bit... heavier in character than tiles in a MMORPG, but the point stands: This stupid, knee-jerk BS needs to end.

In general anything that encourages a diverse gameplay experience is a good thing. Removing titles might make you title-less wonders happy, but it will remove many players' motivation to do certain things. Titles give people rewards for playing the game along the parameters under which they chose to play it (unless you're doing something that, somehow, does not contribute to any title track... but that doesn't make it the title's fault for existing if you don't). They should not be removed.

So, you don't want + dmg and dmg reduction because you already know how to kill mobs? Wow, I'm impressed.


Add Sunspear, Kurzick/Luxon, and GWEN titles excluding Adventurer of the North.
Explorer is ok since it doesn't give you any advantage.

Hahaha, yeah, people who expected skill > time from GW, which was supposed to be skill > time should gtfo.

BWAHAHAHAHAAH
How do you come up with this stuff? Since when titles are 'a main part of GW?
Lulz ;d

See all of that just jealous green with envy verbage from Blacksephir. Too bad Blacksephir it's all here to stay. You might as well quit now nothing is going back to the OLD way of playing I'm happy to say.

First off, if you are actually trying to convince anyone (and maybe you're not--that's okay I guess) that you're correct, you should try somethine else. The whole "I'm going to just make a post of a handful one-sentence responses that do not clarify my position" tactic has never worked and only serves to further malign the discussion. If you don't have anything productive to offer, stop pretending you do.

Secondly, SS and Kurz/Lux titles don't grant a tremendous degree of functionality, and the inclusion of the faction-based PvE skills was an attempt to breathe life into Alliance Battles. You get a whole one skill per class and none of them are so game-breakingly powerful that you can farm unstoppably with them (at least that I can tell)--so there's no good reason to complain about them on that basis.

Same deal with GWEN titles. Sure, a player who has them (and a high level) will be at an advantage over one who doesn't, but its not a basic gameplay advantage like higher armor or more attribute points. ANet has done a fairly good job of balancing title rewards so that they're not strictly necessary (or overwhelmingly advantageous in most cases), by my estimation. Labor should have its rewards and titles are a good way of providing these rewards.

Sillyhead. I wrote that I don't feel pressed to grind for the LB title because it doesn't matter for me in the slightest what advantages it gives. I do a great job without it, and I can continue doing a great job without it. So can you. So can every other player in the game. This is where the "This title is optional" statement comes in, because the benefits it gives are insignificant in the scheme of things.

Okay? Okay

Considering Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, Luck, Luxon, Kurzick and Lightbringer, yes!
And what way do you see it? From the maxed position?
Nomatter how you turn it, you can not deny these create a gap in efficiency between the casual and the grinder.
I think we met common grounds.
Titles without discriminating attributions = \/\///\/ \/\///\/ !

To you it may not have ... but to others it does.

Ho wait ... I don't! I've no problem with textual decorations for grinding.
I only object to the handfull of titles that discriminatingly tax players.

You do realise we're talking a game, not some pseudo-game second life! The purpose of a game is not to make us work, but to maximalise our relaxation.
You're being most deceptive here, cutting my phrases in two and taking my words out of context.

I said I want everyone to be happy and that non-grinders should not be made less happy, just so that grinders can be "happier" than them.
I call non-grinders "players" because they actually play the game, while grinders work the game. However, both groups are gamers.

Rest assured, nobody's falling over Protector, Guardian, Explorer and similar: titles that don't tax players for not achieving in them.
I'd wish! Sadly, that is not the case, as Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, Luck, Luxon, Kurzick and Lightbringer are irrefutable dampers on the casual's game.

Hey! That's what I've been pleeding for all the time!

However, you were the one who had a problem with that (see above).

Those who fail in expressing themselves with tact at all times, BEWARE, 'cause there's a sheriff in town, and his name is dan-the-noob!

Gah ... you killed me.
I allready did! If you have the patience to keep up with grinding, you can also read my previous posts in this thread!
Oh, man ... take my advice above. I'm actually calling for nuancated approaches: a "titles should go" or a "titles should stay" is as generalising as it can be said. I don't know how you managed to perceive my appeals for correction as attacks, but I sure didn't say to anyone he's an "arse".
So, because someone likes to grind for it, he deserves advantages over those that don't?
And no, I was talking req 8~9 golden objects with perfect mods.
How 'bout you allow me judge that for myself. If I want to trust on your prejudiced "expertise", I'll call for it.
Now you can arrest me for name-calling, because, you, sir, are a charlatan.

• I want as many gamers as possible having fun, without discrimination.
• You want those that don't game your way (i.e. grind) to be made losers, so you can be a winner.

... proves my case: I didn't call for titles to be removed; I want taxation for not ranking in titles to be removed.

Eh ... no!?!
There were no titles when Prophecies and Factions were released. And that's like ... the largest part of GW!
And you are?

This whole thread needs to be closed due to the flame fest and utter stupidity of its exsistance.

Lets all agree that we disagree, that some like titles and some do not.
There are only 3 titles in the game that you need to progress the storyline sunspear,lux,kurz.

All other titles are optional. Choose to get them or not, noone really cares but you.

Ho wait! Aren't we a little exagerating there? The one guy calling me an "a---" is hardly a flamefest.
The game is more than the storyline, which is only good for hours.
See ... I'd wish it is that way, but it's not.
I don't have the option to be not taxed for not ranking in the Treasure Hunter, Wisdom and Luck title tracks.

Yes you do, get them or don't. The effect is so minor it is truly sad. The difference could only be seen over extended farming, or as you would say grinding, sessions, which is what you are against from the go. As such, it won't effect you anyways, so why bother defending a point that doesn't really effect you.

your argument =

I have my favorite skinned wand that is 1 point under max damage( 14-21).
It is unfair because, I am unwilling to get a different max wand as this 1 is my favorite and through out my game play I will deal less damage over the course of the game by hundreds of points in the next 20 years!!!!!

the counter argument=

Get a new wand or STFU. Because that is how the game is. It won't bend or change for you or the few whinny trolls that need to get a new wand. Ultimately the choice is yours. Titles are an integrated part of the game and will be implemented in GW2. This not you or an army of trolls can change.

Ok, so, from what I've seen the best compromise would be to just remove any advantage a title might give completely.

From what I've seen the two sides (pro-titles/anti-titles) are of two distinct opinions.


Neither of these opinions seems to be against the removal (and even the "Anti-title" opinion doesn't even seem completely against titles, just gaining any benefit from them). Hence, the solution, remove title benefit, keep titles. Everyone is happy (from what I've gathered, unless I'm missing something very obvious).