~Ursan Blessing and balance~

So the thousands of Level 20 players who have played sufficiently long enough and become skilled enough to reach Drakkar Lake and complete A Hunter's Pride are SCRUB NOBODIES. If they consider completing a quest thousands of other players can sleep through a major accomplishment that makes them worthy of completing the "hardest" areas of the game with minimal effort and reaping the same benefits as those who actually work at it, even a bit, without relying on instagib skills?

Yes. Yes, they are.

WHAT ASTONISHING ARROGANCE.

So the thousands of Level 20 players who have played sufficiently long enough and become skilled enough to reach Drakkar Lake and complete A Hunter's Pride are SCRUB NOBODIES.

My guild drops people like you when they appear. Elitism and selfishness does nothing for the game or the community.
hahaha, skilled enough to beat the 4th quest in gwen...very good.

The problem is that virtually every person saying it should be nerfed, is SMS or someone who runs DoA with them. And all because the gimmick build we use isn't the same gimmick build they use. What is worse is that theirs isn't even an elite and only 1 person needs to carry it to make DoA ridiculously easy.

Face facts DoA is a ridiculous gimmick filled area, which you need gimmicks to beat. You use the SY gimmick, others use the OF tank, some use a bear team. All stupid gimmicks. I have not seen proof of anyone beating DoA with a truly balanced team.

The annoying thing is that you guys have been happily using a gimmick build, based on a super powerful, should be nerfed, PvE skill for 5 months. But it didn't really catch on with the masses for obvious reasons. So you were happy to play in your 'private' playground, abusing said skill.

I happen to prefer bears because, I don't know anybody, personally, who runs a paragon with SY. I know other classes could use it, but it works best on a paragon, as Racthoh worked out for you.

I also hate OF teams since on the rare occasion I did join one, it was incredibly boring and slow, and the tank seemed to think that since he was doing the 'hardest' job he could speak to the rest of us like shit. Plus my ranger was never accepted by a team, even though he could have done a decent job as a BIP. It was just against the mindset of people in DoA's 'heyday'.

Also I wouldn't be overly comfortable, in a team where 1 player is the difference between success and failure. I know you all have to do your jobs right and that you are all very good players. But the fact remains, if you replaced Rac's para with General Morgahn, set up as a motivation healer type, (ie nobody has SY and TNTF) your team would fail spectacularly. Thus if that player had connection problems or some other reason they had to leave your run is over. At least if we lose a bear, we have a fighting chance to carry on if we play really well.

The fact is UB has made DoA accessible to a lot more players. Or rather I should say more characters. I could get in any DoA team with my monk, but I don't like playing the little shit. I wanted my ranger to do it. UB is overpowered, but not ridiculously so when you compare it to some other PvE skills and how they synergize with the right team set up.

Maybe some peoples idea of limiting the areas all PvE skills can be used would work. But it would spoil the fun of a lot of more casual gamers, which would then damage future sales and GW2 sales. Which at the end of the day is far more important than all you guys' hurt feelings and sense of injustice. I want a strong player base moving fromn GW to GW2 since I definitely intend to purchase it. If this sort of thing encourages more sales, please keep it. Maybe Anet can listen to those who don't like it and provide some sort of extra reward for those who don't have PvE skills on their bars. IDK if/how that would work, but hey it is an idea. It has been said before, i will say it again. We are able to beat that area without pve skills, consumables, gimmicks whatever. We (i think ) were the first guild to beat mallyx without using the stair glitch. We have beaten the elite areas over and over and over and over and over again and quite frankly it gets boring doing it slow . We use pve skills to make the run faster. Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that 90% of the ursanway people can not beat that area without using UB. That being said, please do not think that we have to run gimmick builds to make this work.

Racthoh's para is not the only damn character that does anything. And saying that replacing Morgahn would make us fail spectacularly is just ignorant. When i run my para (Which btw replaces morgahn!!!) i run a motivation heal para with Mending refrain and some zeals. I do not have TNTF or SY even unlocked on my para. And we set out best time when we did that.

In closing, we can beat doa without gimmicks, pve skills, consumables, etc... people who run UrsanWay cant. Simple.

Pair of monks takes a lot more time. AND coordination. AND dedication. AND expertise on UW
Sounds like UB is the same way, except it takes less time, and you're using a full group.

In the end the absolute undeniable truth is this is a video game.

Players of all skill levels purchased this game to play and enjoy themselves.

The 'Elite' players believe they need something to hold over the heads of other people. They get mad when something comes along and makes the 'hard work' they put into playing this video game less of an accomplishment.

This is akin to Deep Blue beating Garry Kasparov.

Its not fair that something came along and depreciated them in thier own eyes.

If your self esteem is so closely tied to a video game that you get upset when a group of 'scrubs' or 'noobs' can defeat a 3D animated monkey you have a very serious problem on your hands. We have been over this argument and others numerous times in this thread. Countless posts have been made, and as such is the case, instead of me retyping stuff for the thousandth time I suggest you take a look back at the thread to find out why what you just said was extremely incompetent.

Hmmmmm.....so I just spent the last hour going through a search for Mallyx (i.e. I typed Mallyx into the search window). I also looked at pvxwiki, and both wiki's discussions on DoA. You lost me at looking up builts on pvxwiki.

Wow, get off your high horse. Being able to make custom builds against enemies who have set skill bars will always result in things like three man farming teams. However, are they using one silly stupid broken skill to turn on god-mode, or are they using some form of strategy and tactics?

Here's an example. In the days of Orozar, I used symbiosis to make a ridiculous tank with 8-9 maintained enchants on him and use dwayna's to heal him for 250-300. Is that breaking the game? No. Is that knowing my enemies won't be able to counter a certain strategy because they can't change their builds? Yes. Did that build work in other places? Not so much. DO YOU EVER HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR URSAN BAR FOR AN AREA? NO. There is no skill involved in Ursan at all, and that is why I oppose it. Clearly you have never used Ursan at all. Keep in mind that when you put Ursan Blessing skills on your skill bar, the other 7 skills will remain there. Since Ursan Blessing will remove our other 7 skills when it's used, it is best for us to bring long lasting skills. I bring Ruby Djinn or Naga Shaman depends on the environment whether it is fire favorable or not. Also, if I have to make a run to a certain point while having Ursan, I would bring a long-lasting stance like drunken master to help the boost. However, if I have to protect my heroes/henches, I would bring dwarven armor. I use spear and shield myself, so I usually bring a spear skill or two to do some damage while my bear is down. Of course, I also bring a few shouts to buff the team around. The worse thing about being in the bear form is that you can't use your resurrection skill when you are a bear. In other words, if the two monks in the team die, and no one is aware of that, bears will go down as fast as a human mesmer in front of an angered norn. In this sense, does it mean Ursan Blessing is balanced?

P.S: I have been using fast cast nuker on my mesmer for two years (without changing) after Guild Wars original is released; does that mean my fire build is imbalanced? If so, how come balancing updates always boost up my skills?

unienaule is saying that Ursan Blessing does not require a change to the build when an area is changed, while other builds require to do so; therefore it is unbalanced, since it seems to be uncounterable to all the mobs every area.

My post on 354 is really a counter to this. I mentioned how while having an Ursan bar, it is still needed to change certain skills as areas change. We don't only bring Ursan Blessing, we bring 7 other skills as well. I also listed a disadvantage when one is in the bear form to reinforce my arguement: one cannot use resurrect skill. I got that actually . What you said is still completely different from what unienaule said. While you can change the 7 skills to help you with different area, you are not require so. Just Ursan is enough cause havoc, other skills are just icing on the cake (so that make it even more imba, so not really helping your case) while you are out of the form (even for a warrior, if you have different energy set weapons, you're rarely out of it. At the most 20 secs, so meh). Cause while in Ursan form, the only thing that can shut you down, is major Edenial, and not many PvE AI does that.

I know that ANET will fix this skill without a doubt. Just hope it sooner then later.