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ayame ftw

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Belgium

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26 Oct 2007 at 09:03 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Why? It's a bloody game, not an exercise in social engineering.

Well I think its interesting to get in contact with different cultures and listen to different opinions, even if its in a game… for example, in my guild are not only Belgian people: there are Israeli, Chinese, Romanian, American, Dutch, French, English people
And that’s because we spend most of our time in the international district instead of restricting our self to English 1

And like gail said, the more different districts the more divided the player base will be…

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

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26 Oct 2007 at 09:32 - 122

wtb close plaise

Explodie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Netherlands

LowLandLions [LLL]

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26 Oct 2007 at 09:36 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

wtb close plaise

Uhm if you dont like this topic, then dont post?

Ayame FTW, i totally agree with you, but it would be fun, to play the game in dutch

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Oct 2007 at 09:46 - 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayame ftw

Well I think its interesting to get in contact with different cultures and listen to different opinions, even if its in a game… for example, in my guild are not only Belgian people: there are Israeli, Chinese, Romanian, American, Dutch, French, English people
And that’s because we spend most of our time in the international district instead of restricting our self to English 1

And like gail said, the more different districts the more divided the player base will be…

So because you find it interesting, the whole player base has to be stimulated to do so? People so inclined are able to do it anyway; you and your guild are a prime example.

I don't find it interesting or useful at all and I don't want to be 'stimulated' to do anything of the sort.

Lonesamurai

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26 Oct 2007 at 09:54 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Explodie

Uhm if you dont like this topic, then dont post?

Umm, no? I'm totally surprised this has made it to 7 pages of utter crap... I'm Euro and ANet have been really helpful to me and my guild since beta, on top of Andrew Patrick going out of his way to help the radio show for The Sanitarium that I do for Guild Wars (Martin kerstein from NCSoft Europe has been even more helpful too, both of them even joining us for shows and Martin himself doing a show for the release of GW:EN...)

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

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26 Oct 2007 at 10:13 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayame ftw

Well I think its interesting to get in contact with different cultures and listen to different opinions, even if its in a game… for example, in my guild are not only Belgian people: there are Israeli, Chinese, Romanian, American, Dutch, French, English people
And that’s because we spend most of our time in the international district instead of restricting our self to English 1

And like gail said, the more different districts the more divided the player base will be…

I enjoy playing with people all over the world too. My guild has spannish, greek, swedish, finnish, polish, french, dutch, welsh, english and american.

I may enjoy it, buty not everyone will, so it shouldn't be forced.
If you enjoy playing with a diverse team of cultures then thats what international district is for.

Sven788

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Netherlands

Die or Leave Plz

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26 Oct 2007 at 10:59 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

Oh please. Give me legal hash bars and you can have all the payment options and favorable event times you want.

You can have it, it sucks.

I knew that Dutch people wouldn't get a server, because they say that we are not with that many. But after they said that they made a Polish district what? A POLISH DISTRICT. Even less Polish people play this game!!!!

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

26 Oct 2007 at 12:34 - 128

I got my own district

/sarcasm off

To the OP
As mentioned already, events starts at noon GMT, and last throughout the entire weekend.
This time the events lasts throughout 26-31, so there is plenty of time participating in it.
And the early start is only for all the graphics added to the whole scenery, npc's are not spawned yet I believe, they weren't a few hours ago.
Next time look at the official website and check the time up against your local time before complaining.
If you get confused about GMT, am and pm, there are sites explaining and even converting the times for you.
Like this one as example http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

thig

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

S??by, Denmark

A Few Good Men

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26 Oct 2007 at 12:53 - 129

Explodie, apparently you dislike the company behind the game..why do you keep playing it then ?

You should consider switching to a dutch online game instead, no clue if there is such a thing though.

Personally I dislike all the language district on the europe servers, it divides the player base to much. And most of the time the Spanish and Italian districts are just empty..adding a dutch district would not improve the game. Just got an idea maybe you can get all your dutch friends together and make a hostile takeover of those districts, then they are at least used....
As I see it the main language for communication across borders are the English language. If someone don't like to type English in a borderless online game they should examine the market for a online game based on their own native language.

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

26 Oct 2007 at 13:12 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by thig

...make a hostile takeover of those districts, then they are at least used....

Muhahaha, we could take one and make a danish district

thig

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

S??by, Denmark

A Few Good Men

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26 Oct 2007 at 13:26 - 131

hehe....Well I sort of already started on that...I tend to use those districts from time to time to get away from all the spamming

Explodie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Netherlands

LowLandLions [LLL]

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26 Oct 2007 at 14:01 - 132

Okay, even my last hope didn't work >.>

This is what some1 told me

Quote:

My friend tried to use Wirecard in the online store, but the transaction was refused and he was given a fraud suspection error. After emailing support, support told him the Wirecard MasterCard was issued in Germany and he should use a credit card issued in the Netherlands (his home country). So I'm guessing the same applies to you. Wirecard won't work.

So i really cant get it anymore

Martin Firestorm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Louisiana

E/Me

26 Oct 2007 at 15:08 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven788

You can have it, it sucks.

You are ruining a lifelong dream, and possibly altering future travel plans.

MithranArkanere

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wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

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26 Oct 2007 at 15:51 - 134

21:01 it's the best time for events to start.
Just after supper.

Look at polish districts. THey are almost always empty.

I even use them when I need to move quickly without talking to other players.
Barely 10 people in districts with District 4 active in English ones.

Explodie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Netherlands

LowLandLions [LLL]

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26 Oct 2007 at 16:35 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by thig

Explodie, apparently you dislike the company behind the game..why do you keep playing it then ?

Oh no, i love Anet, but i dont like their thinkings.

I dont like the things how they do it, like with the BMP, i payed for GW:EN in the store 30Euro's
And for the "Pre-order" 5 euro thats together 35 euro's and no, i didnt get my 5 euro's back with the pre-order ...

I can't get the BMP because i can't get a creditcard that easy?

Thats the problem

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

26 Oct 2007 at 17:07 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Explodie

Oh no, i love Anet, but i dont like their thinkings.

I dont like the things how they do it, like with the BMP, i payed for GW:EN in the store 30Euro's
And for the "Pre-order" 5 euro thats together 35 euro's and no, i didnt get my 5 euro's back with the pre-order ...

I can't get the BMP because i can't get a creditcard that easy?

Thats the problem

Well in a store a guild mebmer of mine got nightfall from they gave away t-shirts with the game, i never got that at my store and i didn't complain.
The BMP was a promotion, meant to get more people using the noline store, if you chose not to or could not use it for any reason then thats not Anets fault. Alot of people chose to get from the online store instead showing the promotion worked.
If they where to sell the bmp at a later date then it would undermine any future promotion they may offer.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

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26 Oct 2007 at 17:30 - 137

Frankly there can't be this vast majority of Dutch speaking players in the game. It's simple math. I don't doubt that there are a lot of Dutch speaking players but certainly not enough to warrant a separate district. I mean the population of Belgium is about 10 million. Break that down into the 18-30 demo that is most likely to play online games and you get an even smaller number. Compound that further by the fact that German and French is spoken there as well and you get an even smaller number of Dutch speaking people. Simply comparing that to the numbers from the other countries represented in the game and it becomes clear why there is no Dutch server. Even if you put the Netherlands in there you still end up with a smaller population percentage than any of the represented languages in Guild Wars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven788

I knew that Dutch people wouldn't get a server, because they say that we are not with that many. But after they said that they made a Polish district what? A POLISH DISTRICT. Even less Polish people play this game!!!!

Yes even Poland has a slightly higher population than Belgium and the Netherlands put together.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

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26 Oct 2007 at 17:44 - 138

Are you dense? Or just dont know how time zones work?

......You start 9 hours late, you end 9 hours late.
ANET does not time travel to make Europeans angry....that i know of

Shiishii Momo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

I need a guild, R5 KOBD

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26 Oct 2007 at 17:57 - 139

YES, A-NET HATES THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. There, the secret is out. Now that you know the truth can we get a closed thread, this whine rant is doing nothing constructive and Gaile has already posted their response.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

26 Oct 2007 at 18:47 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

... using the noline store, if you...could not use it for any reason then thats not Anets fault.....

I completly not agree with you!!!

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Oct 2007 at 18:54 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

if you chose not to or could not use it for any reason then thats not Anets fault.

Then whose fault is it that the ingame store is totally unprepared to serve vast amounts of European players? Santa Claus? Bigfoot?

Plenty of other international gaming studios/publishers can do it. ANet/NC Soft just don't prioritize the issue for whatever reason, but that doesn't absolve them from falling horribly short of supporting the markets they chose to enter with their product.

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

26 Oct 2007 at 19:39 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Then whose fault is it that the ingame store is totally unprepared to serve vast amounts of European players? Santa Claus? Bigfoot?

Plenty of other international gaming studios/publishers can do it. ANet/NC Soft just don't prioritize the issue for whatever reason, but that doesn't absolve them from falling horribly short of supporting the markets they chose to enter with their product.

There are various other online stores out there that have a variety of limitations on payment methods, If ncsoft doesnt want paypal use as they cut into their profit margin then thats their choice. if the BMP promotion was held back until they could have set-up different payment methods across the globe then they would have lost alot of the potential customsers to the online store as they wouldn't want to wait, if they allowed access at the normal date and then put off the release of the BMP then there would be complaints there as well.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Oct 2007 at 23:29 - 143

They could've added other options, I don't know, something like a YEAR before the BMP was first announced.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

26 Oct 2007 at 23:34 - 144

Anet is a company and cares only for profit. If you happen to play in a smaller minority of their customer base... so what. If you were running a business what you do? Maximise profits? No? Ok... you fail.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Oct 2007 at 23:57 - 145

Just like WoW failed because they wasted so much time and money on providing adequate payment methods for every country they're marketing to, I guess.

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

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United Kingdom

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26 Oct 2007 at 23:58 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

They could've added other options, I don't know, something like a YEAR before the BMP was first announced.

I doubt even they know they would be making the BMP a year ago.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

27 Oct 2007 at 00:07 - 147

WoW can afford to spam due to the fact that people pay to play.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2007 at 00:16 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

I doubt even they know they would be making the BMP a year ago.

They sold stuff people might have wanted to buy a year ago, if they could.

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

27 Oct 2007 at 00:20 - 149

Get a prepaid card from a major credit card company, and be done with it.

Lonesamurai

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Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

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27 Oct 2007 at 00:22 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phineas

WoW can afford to spam due to the fact that people pay to play.

but how do you think people pay to play the game in the first place... your reasoning fails

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2007 at 00:27 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

Get a prepaid card from a major credit card company, and be done with it.

Don't exist over here. No market for them I guess.

And before you suggest it, if you buy one abroad and try to use it in the store it won't work and you'll be flagged for a possibly fraudulent transaction. Cards are only accepted when used from the issueing country it appears.

tyrant rex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

27 Oct 2007 at 00:28 - 152

no one cares.................

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2007 at 00:31 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

no one cares.................

Actually, plenty of people do, whereas absolutely no one cares about your +1 postcount non-contributing waste of server space.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

27 Oct 2007 at 00:34 - 154

WoW people play to play from peer-pressure, the need to feel included, the need to be better than someone, anyone, else. The satisfaction of levelling harder and higher than others. It's an e-Peen thing.

I do not play WoW, but do play another mmorpg that is similar in those respects (but free) and understand where they are coming from. I just don't subscribe to it.

Sven788

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Netherlands

Die or Leave Plz

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27 Oct 2007 at 09:54 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

Frankly there can't be this vast majority of Dutch speaking players in the game. It's simple math. I don't doubt that there are a lot of Dutch speaking players but certainly not enough to warrant a separate district. I mean the population of Belgium is about 10 million. Break that down into the 18-30 demo that is most likely to play online games and you get an even smaller number. Compound that further by the fact that German and French is spoken there as well and you get an even smaller number of Dutch speaking people. Simply comparing that to the numbers from the other countries represented in the game and it becomes clear why there is no Dutch server. Even if you put the Netherlands in there you still end up with a smaller population percentage than any of the represented languages in Guild Wars.

Yes even Poland has a slightly higher population than Belgium and the Netherlands put together.

Dutch: 18 million
Belgium: 10.5 million
Poland: 38.5 million

Poland got more people, but how many actually got a computer?

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

27 Oct 2007 at 13:04 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven788

Dutch: 18 million
Belgium: 10.5 million
Poland: 38.5 million

Poland got more people, but how many actually got a computer?

And how many Dutch people actually have a computer? Your argument is flawed.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

27 Oct 2007 at 15:05 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven788

Dutch: 18 million
Belgium: 10.5 million
Poland: 38.5 million

Poland got more people, but how many actually got a computer?

My point is that there is simply a smaller portion of people on this planet speaking Dutch than say German or French. We know for a fact that every Dutch speaking person does not play Guild Wars just as every French or German speaking person does not play. Instead only a small percentage of those people play. Granted the percentage probably varies slightly from country to country but I would be willing to bet that continent wide the percentage of gamers to the rest of the population is pretty steady. So if you ave a more or less set percentage of the population as. Even if every gamer bought and played Guild Wars, obviously that didn't happen but for the sake of this example let us say it did, then the other languages would still have a larger representation because they have a larger base population to begin with.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2007 at 16:59 - 158

http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,334..._1_1_1,00.html

Sven788

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Netherlands

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27 Oct 2007 at 17:09 - 159

Data December 2006

Broadband subscribers per 100 inhabitants, by technology, Dec. 2006

DSL
Cable
Fibre/LAN Other
Total
Rank
Total Subscribers

Netherlands
19.5
12.0
0.4
0.0
31.8
2
5 192 200

Poland
5.2
1.6
0.0
0.1
6.9
26
2 640 000

Now my argument is proven, and worthy.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Oct 2007 at 17:13 - 160

I posted that link without comment. What it was meant to show is, comparing populations is not a useful criterion at all, or one could argue that Afghanistan has a greater number of GW players than the Netherlands.

Broadband internet penetration isn't a perfect measurement either, but probably a whole lot better.