Simple question. When you are forming or joining a PUG for PvE tasks, do look at what titles they have ?
And if you do look, do you actually care what they show ?
Are you caring about the title because of the stats it brings (eg damage reduction from LB for DOA), or because of the skill it shows ?
For those that care for the skill shown, if they are showing a KOBD do you ask them what titles they have contributing for it ?
Personally I don't care about their titles, but I am interested in seeing how people in general feel.
Do you care about a PUG's titles when PvEing ?
bilateralrope
unienaule
I care about builds. When you can assign a title to 1-8, let me know.
Phaern Majes
I take a look at them sure, but I don't particularly care what they have or display. But then I rarely ever PUG.
Aera Lure
I look sometimes and sometimes not. Its pretty random for me. Curiosity only for what they choose to show or what they are working on etc. It doesnt matter to me what they show. In terms of PUG capabilities, a title is probably the last thing that will determine how the PUG might go in my opinion. Relevant title displayed for rep farming in a particular area in HM might be a good idea though. 
freaky naughty
Nah, almost every title takes immense grind. On second thought all of em do, even HA titles. Almost anyone who sets their mind to it can beat HA, but it takes a true grinder to win several thousand times.Besides even if I did care about titles, someone could be playing on their secondary character with no titles while they have another character with "A God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals." I don't care about any titles at all. I knew someone who bought his way to the koabd title using ebay money (drunkard, sweet tooth, wisdom, treasure hunter, the 3 protectors and 3 guardians he got a run for a lot of money).
To sum it up, no.
To sum it up, no.
Diddy bow
If i see a guy in fow armor or w/e i check it out of curiosity but i rarly check proples titles unless im bored.
Whiskeyjack
I rarely pug, however if i saw someone with guardian title i may accept them because at least i know they have done reasonably with HM. Having said that I would still want to see their build and make sure their attitude was good. Any of the other titles i would ignore.
HayesA
To me, the builds matter more then the titles. Sure i look when i'm setting stuff up. But, i'm more interested in their experience, and confidence. If they start pinging their build without saying hello, I might suspect they're beginers. But we never really know how skilled a player is until we get out in combact, now do we?
Kook~NBK~
It's interesting to see what titles people have, but they may not be a true reflection on how skilled a player is. A skill bar will show that better than anything else.
I only concern myself with what title a party member is displaying is when a title will benefit the team, such as Lightbringer in the Realm of Torment areas. Even then, I don't overly concern myself about what level they are.
I only concern myself with what title a party member is displaying is when a title will benefit the team, such as Lightbringer in the Realm of Torment areas. Even then, I don't overly concern myself about what level they are.
Neo Nugget
I look at them just because. Not because they mean anything, sometimes i might think to myself, hey cool title, but i don't generally make a big deal out of it.
DFrost
I'd never kick someone off a party just because the person doesn't have a title showing, but if someone has KOABD, Legendary Guardian, Skill hunter etc. I'm inclined to think that the person most likely knows a thing or two about playing the game.
I MP I
No not really. Title grind doesn't = skill. A workable skill bar however matters greatly.
Issac
I look at peoples titles sometimes, and If they have a good one I say "nice title" lol. I think it makes them happy lol. Cuz thats happened to me a few times and it makes me feel good lol.
PureEvilYak
I rarely care about titles when I pug. Generally I wont pug unless I've got 2 guildies already backing me up. I might conceivably be more likely to take a person if they have a title like vanquisher, which shows, if nothing else, that they have experience, but I'd rarely not invite someone because they didn't have a title.
The exception of course, is when I famine farm or duo trap in HM DoA. You need a good Lightbringer (well, not strictly need, but its useful) to succeed there.
The exception of course, is when I famine farm or duo trap in HM DoA. You need a good Lightbringer (well, not strictly need, but its useful) to succeed there.
Darkobra
I refuse to PUG. But if I did, yes and no. Yes, I'd care about what titles they had as it'd define how they'd want to do the mission. A protector of one campaign would want the bonus, a Survivor would take things more slowly and carefully.
But would I choose an idiot with rank 6 Lightbringer over some one skilled with rank 1? Not a chance. Titles don't define skill.
But would I choose an idiot with rank 6 Lightbringer over some one skilled with rank 1? Not a chance. Titles don't define skill.
Grenths Entropy
Rarely ever PuG but when i do skill bar > titles, although that doesnt really show how well he can play that build. But then if u really want success ursan blessing > skill bar or titles. But lets not go there and start a flame war about ursan now :P
Btw this is for HM dont really do much in NM these days.
Tane
Btw this is for HM dont really do much in NM these days.
Tane
gremlin
I do not consider titles at all when joining a party I look to see what classes everyone is and decide if I will stay or not.
I like a fairly balanced party and thats it the rest including their builds is not my business.
Besides I will find out within 10 minutes if its a waste of time or not, I move on after the party succeeds, or fails due to party incompitance.
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I do sometimes ask if we have an ss necro or if I am a necro and there is another one I check to see if we will be fighting over bodies or not.
Depends on the mission difficulty.
I like a fairly balanced party and thats it the rest including their builds is not my business.
Besides I will find out within 10 minutes if its a waste of time or not, I move on after the party succeeds, or fails due to party incompitance.
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I do sometimes ask if we have an ss necro or if I am a necro and there is another one I check to see if we will be fighting over bodies or not.
Depends on the mission difficulty.
Count to Potato
the only title i consider is unlucky, just cuz there unlucky plain and simple 
DFrost
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Originally Posted by I MP I
No not really. Title grind doesn't = skill. A workable skill bar however matters greatly.
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Of course the worst case scenario is that the Legendary Guardian has been c-spacing through campaigns with good guildies and can't tell the difference between a hex and an enchantment, but I'd like to think those people are in the minority.
Molock
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If i see a guy in fow armor or w/e i check it out of curiosity but i rarly check proples titles unless im bored.
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Back on topic now, I don't check their titles.. I check their builds and if its reasonably intelligent I don't get mad and kick
HawkofStorms
Sometimes. If somebody is being a jerk/wierdo in town, I'll check that person's title to see if they actually are just messing around or are really an experienced player.
And Molock makes a good point. I've seen FAR to many people with FoW armor who have like Sunspear rank 4 displayed. Granted, I'm usually walking around with my drunkard title on while wearing fissure, so that doesn't tell people much either.
And Molock makes a good point. I've seen FAR to many people with FoW armor who have like Sunspear rank 4 displayed. Granted, I'm usually walking around with my drunkard title on while wearing fissure, so that doesn't tell people much either.
kazjun
Don't really care. It's nice if they use a title that has some benefit (LB, norn, asura, dwarf, EV) but I rarely bother to look.
TaCktiX
I look at titles way too much, personally. In PvE, if they're showing a skill-based title like Survivor, Skill Hunter, Cartographer, I'm likely not to ask their build, because they know what they're doing. If it's some Level 19 at Vizunah, I double and triplecheck their skillbar. I use titles as a guide for whether or not somebody stays, not as the letter of the law, though. Except in HA, where the title matters a pretty good bit...
Nemo the Capitalist
titles = leetness
not
not
Aera Lure
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And Molock makes a good point. I've seen FAR to many people with FoW armor who have like Sunspear rank 4 displayed. Granted, I'm usually walking around with my drunkard title on while wearing fissure, so that doesn't tell people much either.
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doinchi
I play PvE mostly with PUGs. I do notice their titles, but I never take them into account. As long as they have a good skill bar, I don't really care.
Incidentally, when I made an Assasin, I made sure I got him the survivor title for the sole purpose of showing a party that I was not bad Assasin and I had enough experience with the class to get the survivor title. I was under the impression that it would be hard to get into a group because of the player base's general dislike for the class, so I thought by having a title like that, I would be accepted into groups more often.
Incidentally, when I made an Assasin, I made sure I got him the survivor title for the sole purpose of showing a party that I was not bad Assasin and I had enough experience with the class to get the survivor title. I was under the impression that it would be hard to get into a group because of the player base's general dislike for the class, so I thought by having a title like that, I would be accepted into groups more often.
Don Zardeone
Titles can be bought.
FoW can be bought.
I feel dirty every time I see a fellow FoWed warrior who doesn't know which side of the sword goes into the other guy =(
FoW can be bought.
I feel dirty every time I see a fellow FoWed warrior who doesn't know which side of the sword goes into the other guy =(
Muspellsheimr
The only titles with anything behind them are Guardian, and to a lesser extent, Vanquisher. And even those do not always show a player has skill.
They can have all the titles, perfect builds, and still suck. Only real way to tell is to play with them a bit.
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Survivor is the only one of the three you listed that has any possibility whatsoever of being skill based. And that is a slim connection to make.
They can have all the titles, perfect builds, and still suck. Only real way to tell is to play with them a bit.
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Originally Posted by TaCktiX
I look at titles way too much, personally. In PvE, if they're showing a skill-based title like Survivor, Skill Hunter, Cartographer, I'm likely not to ask their build, because they know what they're doing. If it's some Level 19 at Vizunah, I double and triplecheck their skillbar. I use titles as a guide for whether or not somebody stays, not as the letter of the law, though. Except in HA, where the title matters a pretty good bit...
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mage767
Yes, I care PvE titles a lot.
Guardian titles reflect direct experience. I don't mess with them - just tell them in general what build is needed, and let them figure it out.
BTW, all this is for GW in hard-mode (read HM). Whoever says titles don't matter don't know what HM is, has little experience or doesn't play HM at all. Normal mode (read NM) is just too easy - pug or not pug makes no difference.
If a person still wants to join my HM group, he has to be attentive to the leader. It takes a few idiots to screw a NM group, but it takes less than one to screw a HM one.
Finally, I hate quitters - among HM players, I see that happening less often. Respect people's time - not everyone may have a laid back life as you. A few hours a day is all I have for GW, so I don't want a moron to let it go to waste.
Guardian titles reflect direct experience. I don't mess with them - just tell them in general what build is needed, and let them figure it out.
BTW, all this is for GW in hard-mode (read HM). Whoever says titles don't matter don't know what HM is, has little experience or doesn't play HM at all. Normal mode (read NM) is just too easy - pug or not pug makes no difference.
If a person still wants to join my HM group, he has to be attentive to the leader. It takes a few idiots to screw a NM group, but it takes less than one to screw a HM one.
Finally, I hate quitters - among HM players, I see that happening less often. Respect people's time - not everyone may have a laid back life as you. A few hours a day is all I have for GW, so I don't want a moron to let it go to waste.
bhavv
I only care about the builds. Idealy i want people with full unlocks and fully equipped heroes. That way I just need one other person.
Actually forget that, from now on anyone that wants to join me needs to have at least IVI, legendary guardian and skillhunter, Rank 6 hero and rank 3 glad.
I sense that I am going to have to hero hench all the time. Oh wait a minute, I already H/H all the time.
Actually forget that, from now on anyone that wants to join me needs to have at least IVI, legendary guardian and skillhunter, Rank 6 hero and rank 3 glad.
I sense that I am going to have to hero hench all the time. Oh wait a minute, I already H/H all the time.
Bryant Again
Not really, because the titles just take time, and skill > time.
Esan
I don't PUG with anyone unable to display even one Guardian or Vanquisher title.
You can't see me
I'll look occasionally, but usually I don't. I feel more confident when I see impressive titles though.
Malice Black
Well, if I had a choice between someone with a protector title in Tyria, and someone without, then I'd go with the title guy. However, I'd never leave someone for not wearing a title, as I don't wear one myself.
Kha
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Ya.. im sure a person with no title AT ALL has been playing long enough to buy FoW armor.
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Personally I don't care about titles when I PuG. They don't mean anything to me when forming a group, besides those that provide benefits (LB, Asuran, etc) but even then I consider it a bonus and not a requirement. You have survivor? Great, you probably leeched off of guildies or did a bunch of high exp quests like 90% of the people. Doesn't prove to me you are capable of surviving. You have vanquisher or guardian? Great, but unless you did it all with H/H there's no proof you really pulled your weight all the time. PvP title? Just as farmable as the PvE titles. I've seen and known plenty of bad players with supposed "skill-determining titles" like Guardian, Vanquisher and Survivor. You can't hide your lack of skills and game knowledge with a few words under your name.
Titles are grind. Anyone with enough time, money and/or decent skill can get them. Sure the majority of players might've truly earned them, but titles don't mean anything when it comes to player skill. Nor does the skillbar as someone pointed out - just because you can load the cookie cutter build of the month, it doesn't mean you understand what to do or have enough experience. Only truly playing with the person will determine their skill as a player. Of course, you can easily weed out some of the bad PuGs just by talking or watching them talk in team chat while in an outpost.
Titles for me are just ways to spruce up my name when I'm in an outpost. I get them because I like them and I want them, not because I need them to prove to others I know how to play the game. They don't want to group with me because I don't have a certain title? Fine, their loss. I rather not group with title elitists anyways.
Death By Ketchup
The only thing i really care about with a pug group is that they have a decent build.
Chthon
Many titles can be bought. I pay them no heed. If anything, in combination with certain sorts of behavior, they may put the idea in my head that this person may have no other titles to display.
Some titles reflect long-but-easy grind. Sunspear comes to mind. I consider these titles as evidence of a modicum of experience. Experience tends to correlate with skill, but not necessarily always.
Then there's a few titles that reflect having previously accomplished something similar in nature to the PvE challenge the PUG wants to do. A guardian or protector has managed to finish X many missions with masters; a skill hunter has fought their way to darn near every boss in the game killed them; a cartographer has fought their way through every inch of every zone; a vanquisher has beaten a bunch of HM mobs. To varying degrees, I think each of these shows skills that might be useful in beating any given quest or mission.
All that said, I've seen good players with no titles and bad players impressive titles, so I give them only a little bit of weight.
Some titles reflect long-but-easy grind. Sunspear comes to mind. I consider these titles as evidence of a modicum of experience. Experience tends to correlate with skill, but not necessarily always.
Then there's a few titles that reflect having previously accomplished something similar in nature to the PvE challenge the PUG wants to do. A guardian or protector has managed to finish X many missions with masters; a skill hunter has fought their way to darn near every boss in the game killed them; a cartographer has fought their way through every inch of every zone; a vanquisher has beaten a bunch of HM mobs. To varying degrees, I think each of these shows skills that might be useful in beating any given quest or mission.
All that said, I've seen good players with no titles and bad players impressive titles, so I give them only a little bit of weight.
Redfeather1975
I don't pay attention to titles or appearance.
I just pay attention to what the group's members are saying.
I'm more interested in playing to have fun, so it's more important that I'm playing with fun people.
I just pay attention to what the group's members are saying.
I'm more interested in playing to have fun, so it's more important that I'm playing with fun people.
Magnus_1
Titles are pretty meaningless, and builds are no indication of skill (*cough* PvXWiki *cough*). I look for people who are chatty and realize it's just a game. Sure, nobody wants to waste a few hours, but at the same time I feel like if I'm not having fun while playing GW then why am I playing?
My least favorite type of PuG personality is the one who immediately demands that you ping your build... if I wanted somebody to boss me around and tell what to do I'd go to work. :P
My least favorite type of PuG personality is the one who immediately demands that you ping your build... if I wanted somebody to boss me around and tell what to do I'd go to work. :P
Omniclasm
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I also check people with FoW.. 50% of the time they have a title worthy of they armor, 25% they have a good title, and 25% they dont even have a title (or are stuck at tier one). Ya.. im sure a person with no title AT ALL has been playing long enough to buy FoW armor.
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On Topic: If I happen to be PuGing, it is because I am bored and decide to help some random people, with a neglected profession, Paragon or Assassin. While helping people, I don't really give a damn what titles they have. And even if I for some odd reason needed a PuG to do a quest or mission, then I still think the title would mean nothing. I've seen people that SUCK at the game with decent titles, and I have seen even worse with FoW armor. Nothing proves you are skilled besides proving it in battle.