Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer in a day - What's A-Net going to do about it?
Lhim
Favor of the Gods 
....The more the better....
FeroxC
Wow thanks for the link ! that textmod program looks great.
I got to about 89% wall hugging in Tyria but can only play guildwars on the weekends now, maybe i can actually finish the title
I got to about 89% wall hugging in Tyria but can only play guildwars on the weekends now, maybe i can actually finish the title
lakatz
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Originally Posted by Whirlwind
And what in game bonus's does one aquire from having a cartographer title? Nothing. So i guess my point is who cares and who does it hurt? No one.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by lakatz
Yeah... there is an ingame bonus. All your GMC titles add up to become four of the 10 titles required to get the 'People Know Me' title. And if you have the 'People Know Me' title you can charm a rainbow phoenix if you want.
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zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?
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Longasc
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?
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freekedoutfish
Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.
I kinda of retract my views that it makes you lazey, but I still stand by my belief that it makes it staggeringly more easy and removes any and all thought.
And as another posted stated, it does give you a very easy 4 maxed titles which can count towards the KOABD ranks. The main reason I expect most people do exploration (the ones who dont enjoy it anyway).
I kinda of retract my views that it makes you lazey, but I still stand by my belief that it makes it staggeringly more easy and removes any and all thought.
And as another posted stated, it does give you a very easy 4 maxed titles which can count towards the KOABD ranks. The main reason I expect most people do exploration (the ones who dont enjoy it anyway).
Bryant Again
The title doesn't take much in the first place. Just time.
Chthon
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.
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lakatz
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?
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As to versatility, I never gave it any thought and don't intend to because it's totally irrelevant to my statement, and I'm going to have to go with Longasc's answer... it's big enough for the whole party to hide behind.
Saraphim
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.
I kinda of retract my views that it makes you lazey, but I still stand by my belief that it makes it staggeringly more easy and removes any and all thought. And as another posted stated, it does give you a very easy 4 maxed titles which can count towards the KOABD ranks. The main reason I expect most people do exploration (the ones who dont enjoy it anyway). |
I'd argue that it doesn't remove "any and all thought" as, looking at the aforementioned areas I can't tell just by pressing U which zone they're in, so it's still going to have to rely on me going into each zone and wall scraping to find it. Actually, I'm not sure there is any thought to it even without the map. Maybe a bit of chin scraping over which area to test first but that's all.
By the way, am I the only one that gets horrific pains in my hand from walking at a 45 degree angle just to scrape walls for hours on end?* Might be just me as I have tendonitis and carpal tunnel problems as well, but really that's just another reason to reduce the amount of wall-scraping that's needed (imo) .
* I can't use WASD as it bugs me, I have a tablet in front of my right monitor and keyboard on the left, so I use the arrow keys and the mouse to strafe left and right.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Saraphim
By the way, am I the only one that gets horrific pains in my hand from walking at a 45 degree angle just to scrape walls for hours on end?* Might be just me as I have tendonitis and carpal tunnel problems as well, but really that's just another reason to reduce the amount of wall-scraping that's needed (imo) . * I can't use WASD as it bugs me, I have a tablet in front of my right monitor and keyboard on the left, so I use the arrow keys and the mouse to strafe left and right. |
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by lakatz
The guy asked if there was an ingame bonus to the title and then asserted there wasn't. I set the record straight on that point.
As to versatility, I never gave it any thought and don't intend to because it's totally irrelevant to my statement, and I'm going to have to go with Longasc's answer... it's big enough for the whole party to hide behind. |
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I dont get this 45 degree thing?
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zwei2stein
Pet is Pet, there is nothing groundbreaking to it. That special pet is 15k version of 1k pet, YAWN.
compare it to titles which offer significant and *unreplicable* advantages like chestrunner or bot supporter title.
compare it to titles which offer significant and *unreplicable* advantages like chestrunner or bot supporter title.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
That's how you have to walk into the walls so you don't miss a spot when you're mapping. |
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I cant say I did that when I was exploring all those months ago and it worked.
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Of course, some people do run straight while along the walls, but the chances of mapping out points in this style is pretty risky.
Saraphim
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I dont get this 45 degree thing? Your keyboard layout sound the same to mine, and I dont have aching rists and so on. Maybe you just need an arm rest for your keyboard and mouse. They do really help with ach and pains. I used to get really painfull rists and then I bought the razer mouse and exactmat with rist rest and it was a blessing.
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As to the rest, for me it's about a lot more than keyboard layout as I use a pen and tablet most of the day for my work. But when I'm gaming I use the mouse. Hand and wrist problems come from multiple things - desk and seat height, posture, mouse useage, keyboard useage etc. I know I'm probably in a minority for using arrow keys + mouse rather than WASD, but I've never got used to it. So strafing right and left for me means I have to hold down the right mouse button constantly.
Anyway that's wandering off topic. I'll shut up now.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Saraphim
Bryant has covered the 45 degree thing.
As to the rest, for me it's about a lot more than keyboard layout as I use a pen and tablet most of the day for my work. But when I'm gaming I use the mouse. Hand and wrist problems come from multiple things - desk and seat height, posture, mouse useage, keyboard useage etc. I know I'm probably in a minority for using arrow keys + mouse rather than WASD, but I've never got used to it. So strafing right and left for me means I have to hold down the right mouse button constantly. Anyway that's wandering off topic. I'll shut up now. |
lakatz
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
You pointed out that there was a bonus, can't argue that. I'm merely adding that the bonus is largely insignificant...
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For me at this point in time, it's a relatively significant bonus. I think it's a beautiful pet, but I'm not ready to trade in my loyal and trusty dire stalker. Maybe later... at which point it will become a largely significant bonus in that I value aesthetics.
For others who value exclusivity, it can be anywhere from a relatively to largely significant bonus. And I appreciate and respect that.
And that is the reason I didn't and won't put any thought into the versatility of a rainbow phoenix... because that's about your values, not mine. And I'm not here to put my values on others or let others put there values on me. I'm just here to appreciate and respect the differences.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by lakatz
For others who value exclusivity, it can be anywhere from a relatively to largely significant bonus. And I appreciate and respect that.
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Originally Posted by lakatz
And that is the reason I didn't and won't put any thought into the versatility of a rainbow phoenix... because that's about your values, not mine. And I'm not here to put my values on others or let others put there values on me. I'm just here to appreciate and respect the differences.
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Does it have any special abilities? No.
Is it any different than any other pet in terms of performance? No.
My point is that this pet does nothing nothing special. You cannot argue that. Someone wanting it based on its looks is insigficant, because aesthetics in itself is insignificant - not to an individual, but how the game plays in general. This pet doesn't have some hp upgrade or damage bonus. It just looks different, just like every high-end armor and weapon in the game.
So is it worth mentioning? Sure, why not. Is it essential to your gameplay? Of course not. Can you live without it? Yes.
If you really want to discuss this, you know my PM box.
sykoone
Long story short, does the cartography title add anything to the gameplay of the game, other than aesthitics? Short answer: No.
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And you seem to think I don't? Whether you mean it or not, that's the picture your painting.
Does the pet have any damage bonus? No. Does it have any special abilities? No. Is it any different than any other pet in terms of performance? No. My point is that this pet does nothing nothing special. You cannot argue that. Someone wanting it based on its looks is insigficant, because aesthetics in itself is insignificant - not to an individual, but how the game plays in general. This pet doesn't have some hp upgrade or damage bonus. It just looks different, just like every high-end armor and weapon in the game. So is it worth mentioning? Sure, why not. Is it essential to your gameplay? Of course not. Can you live without it? Yes. If you really want to discuss this, you know my PM box. |
don't even need to play the game, can charm it instantly as soon as any ranger or ranger secondary reaches shing jea monastery.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
*sarcasm* put the Rainbow Moa Bird Thing on Shing Jea island so everyone can cap it
don't even need to play the game, can charm it instantly as soon as any ranger or ranger secondary reaches shing jea monastery. |
jezz
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
*sarcasm* put the Rainbow Moa Bird Thing on Shing Jea island so everyone can cap it
don't even need to play the game, can charm it instantly as soon as any ranger or ranger secondary reaches shing jea monastery. |
Black Moa isnt hard to cap..just go with guildie that has completed quest and bingo hes yours with little effort...
Mod saves time, not effort
pumpkin pie
Hi Jezz, I don't want the rainbow bird thing, I change my pet once, for the quest where you have to hand in a melandru stalker, from pre-searing to the tamer outside of ascalon. and had since been using a Bear, how can you give up your pet you have with you since the beginning. I was reluctant even to give up the malandru stalker, if it isn't because of the quest, I think it was lvl 18.
What i mean is why should a level 1 character have the instant priviledge of getting a pet even if it has no extra bonus (as Bryant_again has listed in his/her post) that arena net has made available to reward the character that has been in the game long enough to get the particular pet. Why not give all newly created character an instant welcome mini pet? why only when your character has reach 1 year old?
but off course, its not what Bryant Again is talking about so Sorry :P
What i mean is why should a level 1 character have the instant priviledge of getting a pet even if it has no extra bonus (as Bryant_again has listed in his/her post) that arena net has made available to reward the character that has been in the game long enough to get the particular pet. Why not give all newly created character an instant welcome mini pet? why only when your character has reach 1 year old?
but off course, its not what Bryant Again is talking about so Sorry :P
Rider
Tiger30
First I would like to say for those who have problems with their wrists and hands try using an optical track ball mouse, the kind that you you only move the ball and not the hole mouse. I use it all the time pressing the left and right buttons at the same time and then only using a finger to move the ball in order to get my char to move where ever I want. To me it helps when dealing with the 45 degree angles.
Second I belive that the rainbow pheonix is only in you HoM after you have maxed out 10 titles. So that a level 1 char does not have access to it. If I am wrong sorry.
Second I belive that the rainbow pheonix is only in you HoM after you have maxed out 10 titles. So that a level 1 char does not have access to it. If I am wrong sorry.
lakatz
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
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With all due respect, not everything is about you. Actually I don't particularly value exclusivity... unless it increases the price of something. And since pets don't have a monetary value, the current (and waning) exclusivity of the rainbow phoenix is not a priority for me. But like I said... that's all irrelevant... your values... my values... they're all irrelevant to anyone else.
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Does the pet have any damage bonus? No. Does it have any special abilities? No. Is it any different than any other pet in terms of performance? No. My point is that this pet does nothing nothing special. You cannot argue that. |
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It's not all about gameplay for everyone, Bryant. If it was, I wouldn't be playing... because I'm not a gamer... GW is the only game I play and I was drawn to it by it's absolute beauty. And no... it's not all about gamers either... it's also about people who value other aspects of the game as well... such as the aesthetics ...(thank you God for Daniel Dociu and his wonderful team of artists)... the developers have been very clear on that.
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Trueslash Noobfoot
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Originally Posted by Richardt
You can find the info at:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...-game_graphics This not only has the GMC mods and a link to where you can download the program (TexMod) but it also tells you ANet's official stance on the subject. It also has other mods (like making your shield look like the Xbox logo etc.) that you can use too. Have fun! (Cause that's what we're all about  ) |
sykoone
The mods don't give you any bugs, and little to no lag, depending on your computer.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by sykoone
The mods don't give you any bugs, and little to no lag, depending on your computer.
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IslandHermet
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Which is why you are wisely not taking a position on my having or not having taken a position about the taking of positions?
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That's Captain Jack Sparrow.
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Yarg were's me booty?
floppinghog
using the mod for finding where a map ends is as bad as using a player's guide. or a map on its own to know where outposts are... this cartographer in a day isn't a big deal.
I have ran tyria for my master carto... re-hugging all the walls even after i was around 80% before i event started going for the title... i don't care, so really why should anyone else?
I have ran tyria for my master carto... re-hugging all the walls even after i was around 80% before i event started going for the title... i don't care, so really why should anyone else?
Vlatro
There is one basic and fundamental question we're overlooking here:
What is the purpose of the title?
Is it to say "Here's someone who has seen every area of the game"? If that's the intended purpose (which I believe it is), then it doesn't really matter if you have help. In every way that matters, you have for all accounts seen the entire game, spent the time not just to map the areas, but open your access to them, fight through them etc.
On the other hand, if the title is intended to be representative of your time spent on various achievements, then it is absolutely unfair. However, I don't see this as the case. I know many people who had maxed their light bringer title to the highest tier before hard mode was released. This was long before SS/LB runs were even thought of. After Hard mode came out, their once coveted titles were now so common, know one cared.
I don't believe titles are meant to reward you for the time you've spent, but rather the achievement it's self. TexMod is just like "Alt-Tabbing" between an open complete map and the game map. It could be argued that those who form parties to clear around the edges of an area have an unfair advantage over those who did it solo. The title does not nor was ever intended to reward you for "How" you accomplished the task, only that you did. If you completed it without a 3rd party program, as I did, be proud of your accomplishment. You worked harder for it, and it should mean that much more to you. But it's ultimately and imaginary title given to an imaginary character, in an imaginary world. Who cares what title is displayed on other characters? It's not worth losing any sleep over.
What is the purpose of the title?
Is it to say "Here's someone who has seen every area of the game"? If that's the intended purpose (which I believe it is), then it doesn't really matter if you have help. In every way that matters, you have for all accounts seen the entire game, spent the time not just to map the areas, but open your access to them, fight through them etc.
On the other hand, if the title is intended to be representative of your time spent on various achievements, then it is absolutely unfair. However, I don't see this as the case. I know many people who had maxed their light bringer title to the highest tier before hard mode was released. This was long before SS/LB runs were even thought of. After Hard mode came out, their once coveted titles were now so common, know one cared.
I don't believe titles are meant to reward you for the time you've spent, but rather the achievement it's self. TexMod is just like "Alt-Tabbing" between an open complete map and the game map. It could be argued that those who form parties to clear around the edges of an area have an unfair advantage over those who did it solo. The title does not nor was ever intended to reward you for "How" you accomplished the task, only that you did. If you completed it without a 3rd party program, as I did, be proud of your accomplishment. You worked harder for it, and it should mean that much more to you. But it's ultimately and imaginary title given to an imaginary character, in an imaginary world. Who cares what title is displayed on other characters? It's not worth losing any sleep over.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Torqual
So, maybe some readers will understand if I find this a little sickening. What was even more annoying.... this mod was so good that one of them hadn't even been into JQ and neither of them even knew about the Eredon Terrace glitch. So no actual skill involved. |
The tool described in the original post should be made into an official add-on by Anet. That way everyone has equal access, the the broken hardcore pixel-hunting game mechanic is fixed.
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Torqual
So, how different REALLY is installing a cartography aid to putting an aimbot into your Steam client? I get all the jibes about going back to horses and carts but I never said it was cheating to have a car. But entering your car in a horse race might be?
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pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
Unbelievably different. A better comparison would be a hack that shows the enemies hitboxes, which are quite different from the model itself. You see, an aimbot does the work for you, you just need to press your attack bind, no aiming required, which is the challenging part of hitting someone in an FPS. A cartography mod does not - you still need to do the exploration, which is the challenging part of the cartographer title. So, again, a hack that merely shows hitboxes is a better comparison. You still need to aim yourself. It just shows you where, and leaves the challenging part to you
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Exploring and running blindly along a wall to reach the "look you miss this part" part isn't challenging and definitely not exploring.
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
the challenging part is finding those missing parts, and look for it, from map to map and redoing them again and again and again until you get all of them is the hard part.
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pumpkin pie
Yes, it does cut down a considerably giant amount of work, of not having to repeatedly going from one map to another again and again and again and agian picking up 10 x 0.001% miss area to make up the 0.1% ...
don't tell me wall hugging is hard work, if it is, then starting out from a new map would be as hard as starting to map from 80++% when the title came out and I have 4 of those characters and am painstakingly doing it, one character after another, so don't even attempt to say using texmod is the same effort as doing it my way. plus the hardest part is figuring out where the hell you have miss on the map and texmod does that for you, it tells you where you have miss. much like what aim-bot do from your description, aim - hit, aim - go map it, voila i can do one miss spot in 15 minutes with a runner skills equip. probably less, but i wouldn't know cos i don't have a running character.
don't tell me wall hugging is hard work, if it is, then starting out from a new map would be as hard as starting to map from 80++% when the title came out and I have 4 of those characters and am painstakingly doing it, one character after another, so don't even attempt to say using texmod is the same effort as doing it my way. plus the hardest part is figuring out where the hell you have miss on the map and texmod does that for you, it tells you where you have miss. much like what aim-bot do from your description, aim - hit, aim - go map it, voila i can do one miss spot in 15 minutes with a runner skills equip. probably less, but i wouldn't know cos i don't have a running character.
Fril Estelin
One suggestion for Anet: indicate on each zone the individual percentage of explored land.
And, may be (just may be) the cartography mod could be integrated as an option in the GW F11 menu (but of course with the authors' agreement!).
And, may be (just may be) the cartography mod could be integrated as an option in the GW F11 menu (but of course with the authors' agreement!).