Guild Wars mouse? :O

Some skip pixels, negative/high accell. Respond late, but move quickly. Just search esreality.

95% of mice malfunction when I FPS game to my 'normal' standard. They simply stop working.

I bought an expensive jacket I never wear. I use the mouse a lot, I wouldn't mind paying a lot.

So? Just like the Alienware laptops, you're paying for the name, nothing else.

Next time you don't know what to do with your money, become an Elite Guru instead.

I'm totally with you on that.

Inferior mouse? Are you kidding me? How superior does it have to be to point and click at stuff?

QFT

You can do that with even the cheapest mouse and really, why would you want to?

Ok, so now we all know that you will end up with all presents dropped at any of the holidays because you're mouse is so freaking fast and precisely controlled.

Been there, done that.
It is not the same, since there is a limit in the hardware.


Funny with all the comments about how bad it is to spend money on a laser mouse.
Isn't it people own choice if they want one of those or another?
And isn't it people own money?
If you are used to a piece of hardware, the last thing you would want to do is to downgrade.


To have less movement in the wrist and avoiding permanent damages.
To work faster in programs.
Sure, you can turn "pointer speed" or other software emulated accelerators on, but it just doesn't work so smooth in D3D.
And not as fast either.

Let's think about this like programmers. If it was our job to translate mouse mickeys into pointer movements, how would we do it? Our first order of business is to figure out how fast the mouse is moving on the table or mousepad-- the mouse velocity.

Vmouse=mickey*(Buss UpdateRate/Pointer Resolution)

The accuracy of the mickeys coming from our mouse is strongly influenced by the bus update rate. The math proves it. The fancy enthusiast mice always override the default 125 Hz USB update rate. Most of those mice bump it up to 500 Hz as soon as they're plugged in, which can be verified using the Direct Input Mouse Rate tool.

The number of mickeys/inch is similarly influenced by the capabilities of the mouse's sensor hardware, also known as DPI. It should more accurately be called MPI, mickeys per inch. A "dot" isn't a dot at all, it's a completely arbitrary unit, nothing more than the smallest unit of movement that the hardware can measure

Now that we have mouse velocity in the physical world, let's determine how that will map to pointer velocity on the virtual world of our screen.

Vpointer=mickey*(Screen UpdateRate/Screen Resolution)

Screens are bounded by obvious, concrete physical limitations. Refresh rate is typically fixed at 60 Hz for modern LCD displays. Screen resolution varies from 800 x 600 to astronomically huge for those that can afford 30" displays, but the DPI ranges are fairly similar for most monitors.

Let's try plugging in some typical values into our formulas:

Vmouse = 3 mickeys * 500 Hz / 1600 DPI = 0.9375 inches/sec
Vpointer = 3 mickeys * 60 Hz / 80 DPI = 2.25 inches/sec

You can immediately see the disconnect-- 1 inch of physical mouse movement resulted in 2.25 inches of screen pointer movement. There's a physical to virtual gain of 2.4x. Without the mouse acceleration curve, this is as sophisticated as it gets. We might use a simple multiplier based on the pointer speed slider, but that's about it. The relationship is linear.

That should you provide you the needed info to do your math and compare, instead of claiming that you can do the same thing with even the cheapest mouse.

Well, guys, I'll try to put is simple.
Gaming grade mouse usually features high USB report rate and high sensor resolution (I'll drop talk about extra keys, macro support etc). High resolution means precision and high report rate means smooth movement. Neither of those will win games for you or make you a pro.
Fluent and accurate movements are sure nice but not critical in GW. It matters more in FPS games but it's not critical there as well. AFAIK some really good player use cheap mice
As for this part:
well...
That's not the point at all. High sensitivity leads to less accurate movement. The point is to get pretty much basic sensitivity with high precision.

I agree, after years of mid to top end Microsoft mice, I went with a Diamondback as well, very noticible diferrence to me, particularly with FPS's.

Sensitivity & precision are actually separate. Someone not used to the mouse will likely be unable to use it effectively, but after a little time spent using it, the sensitivity allows for fast movement with excellent response time, without a loss of precision.

Sorry, I think you're wrong. Yeh, sure, high sensitivity plus high sensor resolution make it possible... theoretically. But limitations of human body won't allow you to do it. Because you're human you can't move your hand with 100% accuracy and with higher sensitivity your inaccurate movements will have overall greater impact on a game.

Here goes an example: when I started playing UT with my buddies I though high sensitivity to be awesome (mine was around 10 with default settings). I thought that it's cool to barely move a hand and make a 180 turn in game... Later I encountered some pretty good players, got my humiliating defeat and tried to improve my playstyle. After some hesitation I tried lowering sensitivity and result was astonishing. My accuracy with instant hit weapons improved drastically without any effort.

Dixi.

Agree with that, I run really low sensitivity in wolfenstein ET, and I'm a ninja melon popper with the tommy gun. The only place I run high sensitivity is in BF 2142 for pod surfing.

Logitech $10 mouse ftw.

I use a $20 Microsoft Mouse, works flawlessly, and the sensitivity can be set to INSANELY high levels. Shelling out over double that is pointless UNLESS you are an FPS player that plays at obscene sensitivity levels.

I will stick to my 29.99 walmart special. Works fine for me. Now when my walmart special dies, I may concider this one, But doubt it.

Mouses with lights are so overrated. They waste your battery down so much, and even if it isn't wireless, it still takes away more electricity than a mouse that doesn't make lights.

The difference is not even noticeable on wired mice. And wireless are absolutly worthless for any form of gaming. Latency on their response time removes them from consideration.

And the lights are badass looking.

Personaly I like my mouse, it cost my £7 its a creative hd7500, its smooth for its price and its shiny, and its wired, so yeah enough with "OMG YOUR MOUSe HAS TO BE 13333337" not everyone can afford to spend everying on all high-end computer equipment

I think that there's a needless argument going on about computer mice and keyboards.

Will a super-expensive mouse actually give better performance than a cheap $20 model? Yes. But let's be realistic. The difference between a standard optical mouse and a "performance" laser mouse is somewhat small.

Like everything else, it comes down to player ability. If a player is good enough to take advantage of a super-expensive mouse, then he might notice a difference. But if you're not some kind of hardcore gamer, then you probably won't notice anything. For instance, Tiger Woods can tell the difference between various clubs or golf balls, and he'll use specific gear. But just because you buy the same gear as Tiger doesn't mean that you're be able to play with no handicap.

If you're willing to seriously say that the difference between you winning versus losing in some video game is because of some laser mouse, well, that's your choice. But I don't think the tournament winners at QuakeCon are going to say, "Yes, and I owe it all to my Razer Lachesis." I think most people will say that they are good at games because they have a talent at it--not because they own some expensive toy as a crutch.

I went from a dell wireless mouse to a G5, I love the G5 because it looks sexy and it is really comfortable... I don't notice much difference in "performance" besides the really slidey feet on the bottom... i love it anyways.

FWIW - the original Razor Boomslang was the best damn mouse I ever used, even though it was a "ball" mouse.

I picked it up in a sale, though. I'd never pay the premium prices.

I recently bought the G7 and I couldn't be happier. It's the best damn mouse I have ever had. I had the MX518 for awhile but it finally died on me. It was slammed 1 too many times haha.

Good for the true GW fan, but I think the normal deathadder (which I own) looks cooler! snakes ftw!

I agree as well.

What kind of cheese does it eat?

I'll stick with my G5.

The mouse is really cool, and the artists, in particular, are liking the very delicate/fine controls.

I like the feel of it, and the glowing Guild Wars logo is killer. YMMV.

Imported Emmenthaler, Double Gloucester, and Stilton. Only the gourmet types need apply.

Pardon me, but I need to correct you. Razer are not the best mice on the market, not even CLOSE.

Here, allow me to point you to the 2 best mice on the market.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826104079

AND!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826105074

Meh too expensive, you can grab several different nice high grade logitech gaming mice for the 40-60$ neighborhood. Those mice aren't slacking in any way either, are optical, wireless or not, and they give you years of great performance.

Yes, the G9 is nice. But the Lachesis will be superior. Shipping this month if I'm not mistaken.

The older the keyboard, the better. If its not yellowing, its not worth it IMO. And the keys have to be louder than a helicopter taking off.
I've used a high-end mouse. The difference is minuscule. Except it makes your e-peen feel x2 larger.

I still use my inteli 1.1 and it's still rocks:P

lol no.
those for gaming = lose

pffft

Mouse smouse. I just call my skills in. I can do that ya know.
I have proof.

cool. a question: is 2000 dpi the best you can get for a gaming mouse? I heard the fa1a1ity or whatever does mice are called, are really good?

I think i heard of 3000dpi mouse but I'm not sure. Anyway, 2000dpi is really good anyway =)
And about fatal1ty mouse... It's pretty good but not the best around, and it's a bit weird (it's for is pretty original I mean). Some people just don't like the way you have to hold it. I won't recommend buying it if you can't check it before you buy it

not worth it at all. imo.

Things a mouse must do:

-Be not wirless (batteries tend to run out when they are not wanted to and wi fi melts your brain)
-Be optical (greatest invention eva!)
-Be resistant to a number of clicks going into the tens of millions (my mouse seems to fail at it, since it started to spontaniously double click when not asked to)
-Must have a ringfinger and a thumb button for strafing. (Most mice fail at this, exept the Microsoft intellipoint i use)

If it was wireless you couldn't get near the response time. and thats a major selling point

i would find a better use for those buttons than strafing.

Suspicious why Gaile likes the (too expensive) mouse. Maybe someone who works for Anet

When do you want them to?

hahah GW is an rpg dont forget, dont need precision on rpg, just need a mouse,

That is a nice mouse i agree... for an FPS...

Best mouse is all relative... no point in arguing whats better....


PS... i love how the PR (Gaile Gray) has time to comment on a freaking mouse... yet doesnt have time to comment on the 20+ threads asking to get things fixed that have been broken for 2+ yrs... GOOOO ANET....

I'm left handed too, but I've used a right-handed mouse all my life. Are you new to computers or something, or are there others in your family who used a mouse left handed that you became accustomed to?

Wow, lots of mice opinions in this thread!

I've been FPS gaming since the days of Doom2 (played for a while with competition ranked quake clans) , and I definitely notice the difference between low and high end mice. I normally play low-DPI/sensitivity to maximize movement precision (makes long range head shots a breeze), but when I had to do a rocket-jump followed by high speed directional changes, lower end mice tended to freeze and lose tracking. Only the high end laser and optical mice could keep up with my low-sense requirements without losing movement/surface tracking. Older mechanical ball-mice worked fine for a while but required constant roller-cleaning.

I've gone thru plenty of mice over the years (boomslang, copperhead, diamondback, logitech, various M$ mice and Logitechs, etc...), and they all had their trade-offs. The Razer Copperhead was OK, but its tall height combined with a tapering narrow base tended to cause accidental lifting as I gripped it or pressed the thumb buttons. The Diamondback was actually easier to use, but its narrow single piece side buttons(s) were a problem.

I now have both the Death Adder and G9 sitting next to me.

The Death Adder is nice, ergonomic, comfortable, and its 1800dpi sensor is more than enough for me. However, lack of on-the-fly DPI switching is its lone downfall. It is a pretty nice mouse nonetheless... definitely better than my old Copperhead and Diamondback.

The G9 feels good with its 3200dpi sensor, low height, wide base, and its on-the-fly DPI switch is nice. However, the removable grip shell gives it a fragile, squishy, creaky feel. I had to put adhesive felt pads on the inside of the shell to minimize the flex -- now it feels more solid, but there is still a bit of flex present. If Logitech puts out an identically shaped version of the G9 without the flexy shell, I'll definitely add it to my already-large mouse collection.

For GW, any mouse will be fine since precision aiming is not a requirement. However, competition FPS gaming a different animal altogether.

The G9 goes up to 3200dpi, though I can't run it that high without losing too much precision.

The lights make the batteries run out VERY quickly. It runs out like in a mouth and don't you think it would be annoying to switch the batteries all the time?