Remove hb from ta plz

/signed just won 4 and lost on a stupid hero map.

Design some new maps for RA!!!!!!! EoTN style (or at least change them to kill count)

What do the designers think is going to happen when you add broken maps from one format into another format for which they weren't even intended in the first place? It's great that you're asking for feedback but how many times didn't the HB community already complain about how imbalanced these maps and objectives are? The fact that you see nothing but assassins and dual Recall builds on Observer should also have given the designers a hint that there just might be a problem with them. Instead of finally solving those problems they go ahead and implement them in TA...

Of course, but they should make an exception for certain changes and this is one of them.

Well they've RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed PVP once again.
GG /rank

*scratches head* Ever won Halls?

One can make a LOT more in-game cash in HA in a month than you could make in a million years of AB.

For many of the casual players in the game, winning halls is something they will never accomplish, much less even get to halls.

Im just saying, maybe new rewards for balth faction or something else will give people more incentive to pvp

Give us a map editor - we will design the maps for you.

I am not kidding



hmmm...
change multiple things - check
put a bonus on the reward system - check
increased participation due to reward bonus - check

THE CHANGES MUST BE WELL RECEIVED!!!!

uhhh... check?


If the rotation is kept VERY low - 1 in 8 or 1 in 10, i think its ok. If every other map is an hb map - not cool. I would also be up for shortening the timer and count total required (in addition to very low rotation).

Out out out out!

By the way, running around is pathetic. HB is pathetic. I think I said that before. It's pathetic. New objective for HB please. It's retarded. It's AB with heroes. Change.

keep the new maps, i love them, but implement it only for TA.

I agree, why run around like idiots with random builds and random people with no organization? That...thing...works because of organization. Keep it for TA when people actually organize their teams. But mainly because I don't wanna see bs like that in RA.

Andrew,

The part that annoys people is that the devs insist on attaching the double reward weekends to these major changes. This is flawed on a LARGE number of levels:

1) This week, as in other weeks, you announced the double reward weekend and later made the change. This will result in proper feedback if the change is popular among people but TERRIBLE feedback if it is unpopular. People that want to play the TA/RA format and enjoy the double rewards, but dislike your changes will be upset that you've ruined their enjoyment of the format and disappointed their already-formed expectation of being able to play under double reward conditions and enjoy themselves.

2) Invariably, you get feedback on these changes from the wrong people if you attach double rewards to a change. A very large number of players come out of the woodwork specifically for double reward weekends and then cease playing the format when the weekend ends. In your efforts to get a larger sample size by enacting the double rewards, you bias your sample to the point that the feedback you get is meaningless unless that feedback is overwhelmingly in one direction or the other. However, if you receive strongly directed feedback from the larger sample, you'd have gotten the SAME feedback from the smaller sample of regular players!

This is how the dev team killed HA. If you'll recall, the "popularity" of the 6v6 format coupled with the "popularity" of changes in win conditions led directly to the mass exodus of the regular HA player base from this game. This was observable to the community because teams started skipping up to Halls after one, two or three fights on virtually every trip. Eventually, the devs bowed to the screaming of the community (too late), reinstituted 8v8 and removed one of the least popular win conditions from Halls itself, but HA has never and will never fully recover.

3) You can't possibly get both deep and valid long-term feedback on the basis of a weekend of play. Long-term decisions are being made on the basis of the most superficial of looks at how the design change affects competitive balance. If you have a popular change over the course of a weekend, it may very well be that once the meta adjusts, a killer build emerges and destroys play in the format. Two or three days is simply insufficient to evaluate whether or not a change is for the better, or whether it will have long-term effects that will require massive skill rebalancing in order to keep that format viable. (And note that forcing a rebalance may then have the undesirable effect of throwing ANOTHER format out of whack, leading to a long and messy process of trying to solve problems created directly by a small design change.)

Consider the following going forward:

1) Separate test weekends from double reward weekends.
2) Implement longer test periods (a week is better, two weeks is even better) for major changes. Be willing to cancel the test early if you get the sort of feedback that you're getting with this change.
3) DO NOT announce the length of the test period! Otherwise, this provides incentive to develop a broken team build and then sit on it until the change is enacted permanently and the dev team cannot react as efficiently.

This quote wins the thread.

Except AB is actually fun, whereas HA is... to put it lightly, NOT.
To expand on my position, before HA fans jump on me:
I don't find it fun to PuG to Rank 6 to get to join a decent HA Guild. PuGs will, on average, get rolled on by HA Guilds, making it take insanely long to simply get Rank 3, much less Rank 6. No decent HA Guild is going to take anyone unranked, and very unlikely to take a Rank 3. Whereas in AB, I can join any Guild to get into a battle, form a PuG with basically any build, and still have fun stomping the crap out of players, and get a in-game monetary reward, albeit a small one.

Its all a mater of personal opinion, some people enjoy more HA then Ab, and vice versa

/sign

If I wanted to cap in pvp I would play hb and ab.... now all modes of pvp have "capping" in them... gay.

gvg= flags, HA= relics and also points, ra/ta/hb arenas.... and ab..... wow.

Now I can't just kill people. Plus, games now take like 6 minutes... so much for quick battles.

I can see myself enjoying HA more if it weren't so rank biased. Just because i'm only rank 3 doesn't mean I have no skill.

I'm still deciding on if I like the change of the maps added to the TA rotation or not, since it adds diversity to what people will run, but with RA it has to stop. To be completely honest, half of the people in RA barely know how to equip a res sig or tie their shoes, let alone cap a shrine and hold it.

The big problem is, HB map format encourages holder builds in RA. Which means teams with a monk or rt will just win. That's not good. I've one plenty of glad points without any healers/proters on my team. Now... its pretty tough. By adding these new maps, you are increasing the "OMG no monk, I'm just going to quit now" mentality and severely increasing the importance of those classes.

I dream all days with that. Developer, are you reading?? imagine for a moment you enter HB, make a heroes team and boom, you instantly are fighting versus other player WITHOUT CAPPING A THING, just having fun like you can have in RA, but with a team completely designed by yourself, and actually seeing creativity in HB, and not just overpowered exploiters clones builds.

I swear I will never stop to play that thing, it will be just perfect, fast, easy, just kill, just fun, WITHOUT frustration and actually winning something EVERY battle, 100% perfect.

What to do with HB maps then? -> Remake TA (not RA) with HB maps ONLY, or redesign it to kill only or cap center only, or ...Final note: GW has hundreds of skills, all designed for kill or prevent kill. So, a PvP mode where you can win without a kill, is just crap.

I agree, the HB maps take to much time to finish, and realy require a different build then most RA maps.

I hope they dont wait 1 week to remove the HB maps.

HB (in RA/TA) + DHex + /Report + Text Fade + Loot Scaling + Nerf Bats = WTH ANET?!

Are you're dev's trying to drive out GW1 players to prep for GW2?!?! Why are you're staff allowing this decline in gameplay & fun factor?! If ya'll are doing this to GW1, then just imagine the possibility of history repeating itself on GW2?! HB maps in RA + DHex prolong the prolong... Either we stand there til the counter ends or recieve the "premature-leaving" DHex (waste of yet another 5+ minutes)... Especially when teammates are packing super-inferior builds.

We uber-experienced players have to suffer them and getting DHexed via /report (even after we've /resigned and shown no intentions on continuing the match). On that note, I think typing /resign should officially allow players to kindly and formally exit the arena or something and automatically have faction & everything else stripped away automatically as well so that it prevents players from reporting false "leeching". It'll significantly reduce the amount of msg's sent to Anet, many of which are false and anger-induced.

If they devs made this TA only, then TA would be dead. No one wants these maps that seriously play TA. People who like TA, like how it is, If anet insists that it wants to make it more popular, then fix pvp first.