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undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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07 Nov 2007 at 18:07 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinagw

呵呵....thankyou undeadgun...

中国大陆有几个工会最近在国际服上玩 GVG,但国际封锁IP很严重...中国帐号被封章节几率非常高，我们也想购买正版的卡号,但正版卡号所处的IP在中国大陆就要被封,也令我们很困惑...

被封的几率太高了...

大多都是购买PVP章节,如果要刷钱,,,PVP章节能去pve刷钱么?现在又买不了pvp章节逼我们去买 pve章节...真是走到绝境了...我们很想放弃了..

中国大陆这样的环境...国外又封杀IP...今天这样一来，我的二个号和装备金钱都被洗了...没想法了 ...

couple of chinese Guild are playing GvG in international district recently, But the account/IP has a very high percent chance to be blocked, we want to buy real account paying real cash, but if we ever use chinese IP, its always been a risk to be blocked, we feel really confused and frustried....

too easy to get banned/blocked...

most people just buying PvP edition, but if want to get some fancy gear or weapon, can PvP edition do? But now, we cant even choose PvP edition, they force us to buy PvE instead PvP.... there is no otherway we can do this...we really want to give up.....

today in this whole The9 situation..... anet or NC soft banning/blocking our account(if perchased US or EU version)... my both 2 account got screwed up, i cant think a way to solve this problem.....

chinagw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

07 Nov 2007 at 18:16 - 82

非常感谢!

感谢您的翻译

foo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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07 Nov 2007 at 18:46 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

I can't explain the bad mouthing, but If you read the thread you will see this has nothing to do with Passwords/emails or anything, Its a china gw server problem, and hundreds of people got their accounts hacked because of it. It has nothing to do with the fact that someone uses the same email address for GW and a forum..

To my understanding, there was no need for passwords for accessing accounts, so people got into other peoples accounts, and messed them up. for doing that, they must have known the other accounts' names.

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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07 Nov 2007 at 18:49 - 84

http://bbs.gw.the9.com/bbs/viewthrea...pf=2&s1=2&s2=N
here i just asked a question about the defination of 刷钱，the answear so far from the mod on that fourm, if you are so good at chinese, read what he answeard me

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

07 Nov 2007 at 19:33 - 85

All right, please do not drive the thread off topic into gold farming. Remember that any insults to an individual or the community as a whole will be deleted. Stay on topic and contributing.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

07 Nov 2007 at 19:35 - 86

I'm curious what and when ANet's first address of this will be. I know it's not directly their fault (though it is indirectly their fault, by doing business with less-than-honest subcontractors). I'm curious because I know customer relations is an aspect sorely lacking from Anet.

Alexandra-Sweet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

That one place with the trees, mountains and snow

Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP]

Me/

07 Nov 2007 at 19:40 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

I'm curious what and when ANet's first address of this will be. I know it's not directly their fault (though it is indirectly their fault, by doing business with less-than-honest subcontractors). I'm curious because I know customer relations is an aspect sorely lacking from Anet.

I hope they noticed it, luckily Andrew is online!

Hott Bill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Shards of a Broken Crown

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07 Nov 2007 at 20:30 - 88

刷钱 = Brushes the money

LZ (刷钱) refers to the meaning which is makes money

Chinagw,我抱歉听说您的帐户被彻底搜索, 我希望Anet 将做某事偿还您。
抱歉, 我的中国人不是最伟大的。

Saphrium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Granite Citadel

Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants

N/Me

07 Nov 2007 at 20:50 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by undeadgun

http://bbs.gw.the9.com/bbs/viewthrea...pf=2&s1=2&s2=N
here i just asked a question about the defination of 刷钱，the answear so far from the mod on that fourm, if you are so good at chinese, read what he answeard me

It reads: "Does the OP mean making money?"
As a question as if you had made a typo.

Monique

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Nov 2007 at 21:11 - 90

I live in Canada.. and own a NA based account... and I just logged in and found no armor + no gold..

Hott Bill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Shards of a Broken Crown

R/

07 Nov 2007 at 21:54 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monique

I live in Canada.. and own a NA based account... and I just logged in and found no armor + no gold..

Really a North American account too? GW Is going to hell.

Monique

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Nov 2007 at 22:08 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hott Bill

Really a North American account too? GW Is going to hell.

Yea, one of my shitty accounts bit the dust.

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

A/

07 Nov 2007 at 22:10 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monique

I live in Canada.. and own a NA based account... and I just logged in and found no armor + no gold..

I predict something bad...

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

07 Nov 2007 at 22:27 - 94

Technology has a history of being delayed, in 2000 technology was supposed to go through horrible problems. This problem was delayed.

y2K HAS RETURNED!!!!!
AND ITS STARTING THROUGH CHINA!!!!

[card]Ignorance[/card]

WHAT THE SHIT!!!

and monique your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin lying >.> your account is fine !!!

Monique

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 Nov 2007 at 22:30 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Technology has a history of being delayed, in 2000 technology was supposed to go through horrible problems. This problem was delayed.

y2K HAS RETURNED!!!!!
AND ITS STARTING THROUGH CHINA!!!!

[card]Ignorance[/card]

WHAT THE SHIT!!!

and monique your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin lying >.> your account is fine !!!

Nah b, one of them is gone.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

07 Nov 2007 at 22:53 - 96

SRSLY!?
Im canadian >.>, are you sure its not just a problem on your end (gave your pass away and such forth and purple which)

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

07 Nov 2007 at 23:11 - 97

gosh man that sux! Unfortunately i can't read chinese, only speak it. The shameful thing is i myself chinese :-(. So i should be able to look at it and understand

Bo Azum

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Mongoose United

Rt/

07 Nov 2007 at 23:32 - 98

From the GWO forum
Clicky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile

Hi, there,

A few answers: Yes, the service in China is not connected to the other regions. In fact, Guild Wars has not been released in China -- these are beta test accounts the OP is writing about.

As you have read, there was a server crash sometime early this morning, Pacific time. The server was inaccessible for approximately four hours. I am not sure if the players were informed about this outage via fan forums, because community support is handled by The9, the partner who offers service in China.

We're reading of a few instances of item theft, and we are definitely looking into that matter now. We're trying to ascertain how many players were impacted, how people got account user name information that allowed them to access the account, and so forth. It seems to be the case that, for a short period, password authentication was not required, but I'm afraid I don't have the details, except to say that I do know that things are functioning properly now.

This brings to mind something I like to say from time to time: Never give your user name to other players. And don't use your forum handle for your account user name. It's a natural thing to do, but really, a secure user name is another step in keeping your account safe.

I think that for most players, you're concerned about what happened to your fellow players, but you're even more concerned about whether this sort of thing could happen to your account in North America or Europe. The answer is no, this situation could not happen in NA or EU, because all services to those regions goes through a completely different set of authentication servers (and I do mean "set" because it has backups, more backups, and backups to the backups). Rest assured this was not a global situation, and the chances of this happening in NA or EU are just about nil.

We'll continue to look into the situation with the Chinese beta, and if I have more information, I will post it.

Clears up a bit on this unfortunate situation.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

07 Nov 2007 at 23:39 - 99

Bo Azum, thank you for relaying that information to this forum. You beat me to it.

Monique, send me your account information (that is, user name) via Private Message right now. There is no way your North American account was impacted by what happened on the partitioned Chinese servers. I will expect to hear from you immediately.

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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07 Nov 2007 at 23:45 - 100

谢谢你Ｇａｉｌｅ！仅此代表中国热爱ＧＷ的同胞们！！ｔｈａｎｋ　ｖｅｒｙ　ｍｕｃｈ！！！i will post this on chinese fansite right now, many people have wating for this since yesterday, they must be happy to see this

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

07 Nov 2007 at 23:47 - 101

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
MONIQUES IN TROUBLE!!!

*giggles like a 4 year old*

So the chinese accounts were Beta accounts?
Then problems are only to be expected.

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

07 Nov 2007 at 23:52 - 102

Why would they have higher security measure for USA and EU servers, then others?

Also... my biggest confusion.... 2.7yrs after game is out... they r doing beta accounts?

Hey I heard of a new game called Duke Nukem.... i heard somethen bout someone else tried it before, but its still being tested so i dont know...

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

07 Nov 2007 at 23:58 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by max gladius

Why would they have higher security measure for USA and EU servers, then others? Also... my biggest confusion.... 2.7yrs after game is out... they r doing beta accounts?

It's not a higher level of security. The server configurations are different, and what happened on the Chinese server is not possible on the servers in other regions. No conspiracy theories, please.

Yes, Guild Wars is in beta in China. We launched in NA and EU at the same time, but there's nothing unusual about regional rollouts at different times, such as we had for Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

08 Nov 2007 at 00:06 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It's not a higher level of security. The server configurations are different, and what happened on the Chinese server is not possible on the servers in other regions. No conspiracy theories, please.

Yes, Guild Wars is in beta in China. We launched in NA and EU at the same time, but there's nothing unusual about regional rollouts at different times, such as we had for Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.

So why would China have this problem and not the other Asian countries?

joemanstar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Los Angeles

Lost N Found [失蹤港人]

R/Me

08 Nov 2007 at 00:13 - 105

Chinese had always been hacking this and cracking that, maintaining a server in China is way more difficult than any where in the world. Look at Lineage series and all those Chinese MMOs.

Lasareth

Aquarius

Join Date: Jun 2005

Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place

08 Nov 2007 at 00:14 - 106

You'll have to give monique 7 days to pm you that account name as she is taking a short break from the forums.

Final warning to everyone else. Stay on topic.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 00:15 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

So why would China have this problem and not the other Asian countries?

All our other Asian players -- or more accurately, all our players who play in other Asian countries -- log into a different authentication servers. So that is why the Chinese beta is the only affected group.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasareth

You'll have to give monique 7 days to pm you that account name as she is taking a short break from the forums. Final warning to everyone else. Stay on topic.

Thanks, Las. I really liked my reply, but I understand, for the greater good and all, it had to go, too.

Oh, and I'm sure she will not be sending me that "lost account" information because her claim was completely without basis. It's very important for me to say again, no one in any other region was at all impacted by the Chinese server outage, and very few in China were impacted either, aside from being out of the game for four hours. We're very sorry about the situation, but it's really much smaller in magnitude that it might appear.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

08 Nov 2007 at 00:16 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

So why would China have this problem and not the other Asian countries?

China is on different servers etc from other Asian countries, GW has to use the9 for all that because of Chinese gov't/law.

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

08 Nov 2007 at 00:20 - 109

i agree, i see where different ppl run the GW servers in China, or so it appears from this website...

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/17/gu...rated-by-the9/

but dont they have access to international districts too? so stolen goods could be filtering everywhere threw the game...

also...."The9 has reached an agreement with NCsoft to operate Guild Wars for three years on the mainland."

Does GW rent out its game? it looks like that to me... is all of GW going to reach that point, where private industries run the servers, so then, they could edit things, adjust, mod, and change things on their "independant systems".... which bring me back to... isnt international district available to everyone....

Also.... 1 yr of beta in China... and contract established with NCSoft... sounds like past beta to me... are they paying for this game? beta with charges?

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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08 Nov 2007 at 00:20 - 110

http://bbs.gw.the9.com/bbs/viewthrea...pf=2&s1=2&s2=N

Ｈａｖｅ　ｊｕｓｔ　ｔｒａｎｓｌａｔｅｄ　ｅｖｅｒｙ　ｓｉｎｇｌｅ　ｗｏｒｄ　Ｇａｉｌｅ　ｓａｉｄ　ｔｏ　ｃｈｉｎｅｓｅ　ｏｎ　ｔｈｅ９　ｆａｎｓｉｔｅ：）

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 00:33 - 111

The9 provides services to Chinese beta testers, but they do not have access to the servers, and cannot impact upon the game in any way. In addition, no items, characters, or accounts in the Chinese beta can interact in any way with players in other regions. There is no potential damage to the general game economy, because China is a completely separate entity, and there is no crossover whatsoever. Beta players in China cannot access any district, not even the International Districts.

It is a beta test -- no, those involved in playing during this time are not paying for the game.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

08 Nov 2007 at 01:12 - 112

How is it still in the Beta version in China? What is still being tweaked, changed and edited in the Chinese version? Translations? I can understand having some trouble translating some of the "messages" that the plotline gives out so to not "offend" the oppressive Chinese government, but this is a long time for a beta of a game that has already been released in many other countries.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

08 Nov 2007 at 01:18 - 113

when you do business in China, you lose almost all control of what you are selling

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

08 Nov 2007 at 01:50 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by max gladius

i agree, i see where different ppl run the GW servers in China, or so it appears from this website...

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/17/gu...rated-by-the9/

but dont they have access to international districts too? so stolen goods could be filtering everywhere threw the game...

also...."The9 has reached an agreement with NCsoft to operate Guild Wars for three years on the mainland."

Does GW rent out its game? it looks like that to me... is all of GW going to reach that point, where private industries run the servers, so then, they could edit things, adjust, mod, and change things on their "independant systems".... which bring me back to... isnt international district available to everyone....

Also.... 1 yr of beta in China... and contract established with NCSoft... sounds like past beta to me... are they paying for this game? beta with charges?

no, they aren't renting out the game. The laws in China are very different and specific regarding who can do what in China, especially a company owned outside China in an online situation. Hence, NcSoft/Anet must allow a Chinese company ( the9 in this case) to run the servers.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

08 Nov 2007 at 02:38 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile

This brings to mind something I like to say from time to time: Never give your user name to other players. And don't use your forum handle for your account user name. It's a natural thing to do, but really, a secure user name is another step in keeping your account safe.

I hate to go tearing open old wounds, but this needs to be said:
If "a secure user name is another step in keeping your account safe," then WHY THE BLOODY HELL ARE WE STILL UNABLE TO CHANGE USERNAMES AFTER USING THE IN-GAME STORE? As I've said too damned many times to count at this point, the only way to resecure a compromised or potentially compromised username is to change it -- and that's exactly what the system STILL forbids us to do.
No, I don't think this played a part in the current problems in China. But, if it isn't fixed, you can bet your ass that sooner or later it is going to badly exacerbate similar problems if/when they happen somewhere else.

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On a different note, I'm gathering that NCSoft/A-net will ban a (presumably) Chinese player connecting to the NA/EU/etc servers from a Chinese IP. Is that correct?

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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08 Nov 2007 at 02:56 - 116

Man, this makes me wish I could fluently read and write Chinese, being Chinese myself, haha.

I hope all those Chinese GW-playing players out there get their stuff back. Would suck to come home one day to find out that a lot of hard work has been lost.

Also, GW has to be run by a third party in China because of something to do with the Chinese government. I THINK (if I remembered correctly) the Chinese government doesn't want information about its country to go out of the country, so they can't let Chinese interact with others in the world, or something like that. And they don't want too many foreign companies operating in China too, I think. So yea, all games in China have their own servers or something and their Internet is filtered (I think).

If ^^^ is wrong x1000, someone delete it.

EDIT: On a side note, this screenshot shows a player not having access to Migraine, Spirit of Failure, Images of Remorse, and Resurrection Chant. The former two are Prophecies skills, and the latter two are Factions skills. The other skills on the bar are Core or Eye of the North skills. That means they only have access to Core, (maybe) Nightfall, and Eye of the North skills and/or campaigns?

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 06:01 - 117

Chthon, I am not going to tell you you're wrong, or chide you for bringing up the fact that, after more than a year, players still cannot change their user names, in certain circumstances. The truth is, you're absolutely right. There are few things that frustrate me more than this issue. (The second, if you're interested, is the length of time it is taking us to add additional in-game store payment options for our players. I mean, we need IVR, and expanded SMS, direct payment, if it's possible, and PayPal, too. Do you know when I first asked about PayPal? Early 2005.

)

Because my job is not about talking to players, but is about taking with players, and because I see myself as having a wonderful opportunity to advocate for what you want (and in this case need!) I ask about this situation frequently. I'm told it's a complex issue, with the tie between Guild Wars, the in-game store, and the PlayNC store. I don't have a recent status update and I will ask for one. In the meantime, I have no excuses to offer, only a very sincere apology for what I agree is taking us far too long to accomplish.

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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08 Nov 2007 at 06:30 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Phoenix I

EDIT: On a side note, this screenshot shows a player not having access to Migraine, Spirit of Failure, Images of Remorse, and Resurrection Chant. The former two are Prophecies skills, and the latter two are Factions skills. The other skills on the bar are Core or Eye of the North skills. That means they only have access to Core, (maybe) Nightfall, and Eye of the North skills and/or campaigns?

no, they dont even have Eye of the North introduced in china yet.

and on another note, some of the skills have different pictures than we do.

Amon Warrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

08 Nov 2007 at 06:53 - 119

So, apparently what's happening with GW in China is only a small scale problem. That’s good to know. It is really great when players get informed with such a good community relations management.

When living in China for some time, something that pops right out of a westerner’s viewpoint is that such information dynamics does not come easy around here. There’s a more paternalistic culture in place; to put it simply, social interaction comes more from a perspective of a father-child relationship; a person is expected to patiently wait for those in charge to solve whatever is troubling them. If a person complains over a reasonable extent, then whoever is in charge loses “face” and that can make a problem much more difficult to solve, with grievances getting ignored. You need a good amount of patience, back-stage maneuvering and diplomacy in order for everyone’s perspectives to be safeguarded and the obstacle surpassed.

Being a guest in mainland China myself I therefore have to respect local laws and customs.

I truly hope that all ends well with Guild Wars in China and that Chinese players will be able to play the game properly.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

08 Nov 2007 at 11:16 - 120

This is a weird story! Yes, of course, Beta-testers have no reason to complain. Bugs will happen in Beta. That's what they are testing for. But: Beta-testing a 3 year old game which is going to be replaced in about 1 year?? Where is the logic of that?